Cigars Fading?

Havanaaddict · 12-08-2019, 12:19 PM

If we are talking NCs it is a strange phenomenon and really does not make much sense as tobacco should be tabbaco. But I have found that NCs just don't age well, I have tried lots of different brands with 10 + years on them . I did find it strange that I aged some Padron 3000's 5+ years and it tasted very similar to a anniversary. Even when we are talking Cuban cigars most guys that don't smoke a lot of them are used to and expect fresh, strong in you face flavor. I have given one of there guys a 15+ year old cuban and he actually thought it was fake

I have talked to guys that thought a vintage cigar should taste moldy because that was his limited experience. It really is about storage and good tobacco to start with. Most guys do agree that you need a strong blend to stand up to long aging like Bolivar, Partagas and Ramon Allonnes to name a few. But that not entirely true, take cohiba for instance when young you get a taste of fresh grass. At the 10 to 15 year mark you get vanilla and rich cream. Age and good storage can be a great thing but a lot of the time its a acquired taste. I and sure the first time you tried wine you didn't think much of it.

borndead1 · 12-08-2019, 02:21 PM

I have also had this experience with Padron Anniversary cigars.

mosesbotbol · 12-09-2019, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Havanaaddict

But that not entirely true, take cohiba for instance when young you get a taste of fresh grass. At the 10 to 15 year mark you get vanilla and rich cream. Age and good storage can be a great thing but a lot of the time its a acquired taste. I and sure the first time you tried wine you didn't think much of it.

I had a Cohiba Robusto around '05 the other night that I found was kind of faded too. Impeccable storage from new. Didn't wow me as much as I was hoping and I remember having a cigar from the same box about a decade ago that I was like "wow" on. Could've been the night itself...

Brian D. · 12-09-2019, 02:16 PM

See if Klugz wants to get in on this discussion. At Shack this year he did a pass-around with the same brand and vitola of a particular cigar (I don't remember what it was), made from like the mid 1990s to 2018.

mosesbotbol · 12-09-2019, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian D.

See if Klugz wants to get in on this discussion. At Shack this year he did a pass-around with the same brand and vitola of a particular cigar (I don't remember what it was), made from like the mid 1990s to 2018.

Well, that may not be a fair comp as most blends changed around 2003 with new filler strains and curing techniques.

Brian D. · 12-10-2019, 10:44 AM

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Well, that may not be a fair comp as most blends changed around 2003 with new filler strains and curing techniques.

Did I mention that those cigars Dave passed around were from the ISOM? Figured that was a given considering where we were and who was behind the experiment..

mosesbotbol · 12-10-2019, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian D.

Did I mention that those cigars Dave passed around were from the ISOM? Figured that was a given considering where we were and who was behind the experiment..

That is why I mentioned the blend and curing changes.

T.G · 12-10-2019, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Havanaaddict

I did find it strange that I aged some Padron 3000's 5+ years and it tasted very similar to a anniversary.

Not strange at all, I know a number of people who have made that same comparison and when I was at the Padron factory in Esteli, Jeorge said in so many words that they are very similar blends and the main difference is that the anniversary blends use much older tobacco.

Funny you make the Cuban cigar comments, not that I have a lot of true vintage stuff, but I've seen that too even with 10 year old cigars. Although I'm an odd one - I like some blends fresh, others not, an old RASS is wonderful and I'll burn my fingers on it, but I like RASCC fresh. I know, I'm weird.

12-08-2019, 12:19 PM	#1
Havanaaddict Man in Black!!! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: V.I.P Room Partagas Factory Posts: 3,529 Trading: (1)	Re: Cigars Fading? If we are talking NCs it is a strange phenomenon and really does not make much sense as tobacco should be tabbaco. But I have found that NCs just don't age well, I have tried lots of different brands with 10 + years on them . I did find it strange that I aged some Padron 3000's 5+ years and it tasted very similar to a anniversary. Even when we are talking Cuban cigars most guys that don't smoke a lot of them are used to and expect fresh, strong in you face flavor. I have given one of there guys a 15+ year old cuban and he actually thought it was fake I have talked to guys that thought a vintage cigar should taste moldy because that was his limited experience. It really is about storage and good tobacco to start with. Most guys do agree that you need a strong blend to stand up to long aging like Bolivar, Partagas and Ramon Allonnes to name a few. But that not entirely true, take cohiba for instance when young you get a taste of fresh grass. At the 10 to 15 year mark you get vanilla and rich cream. Age and good storage can be a great thing but a lot of the time its a acquired taste. I and sure the first time you tried wine you didn't think much of it. __________________ "If my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions." "Hav-a-na nice day"

12-08-2019, 02:21 PM	#2
borndead1 Ayatollah of Rock n Rolla Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Lancaster, CA Posts: 1,377 Trading: (7)	Re: Cigars Fading? I have also had this experience with Padron Anniversary cigars. __________________ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.

12-09-2019, 02:16 PM	#4
Brian D. Have My Own Room Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Brian Location: SW Ohio Posts: 1,667 Trading: (1)	Re: Cigars Fading? See if Klugz wants to get in on this discussion. At Shack this year he did a pass-around with the same brand and vitola of a particular cigar (I don't remember what it was), made from like the mid 1990s to 2018. __________________ Any gathering that includes Elderboy02 is "NKA"-- --No Ketchup Allowed.