New York Mets 2012 Banter

[yachties23]

Originally Posted by jonumberone

Mac, you misunderstood me.
I was not slamming David Wright, I was slamming Met fans.
You hit the nail on the head when you said "while not HOF material"
And, I agree, he's not, but Met fans act like, and treat him, as if he is an un-replaceable, all time great.
I think David Wright is a fine ballplayer, and His numbers fall in line with a ton of good ballplayers, but he is easily replaceable!
His career averages are .300/22hr/88rbi, in line with players like Damon, Eithier, Swisher.
All good players, but none that are un-replaceable.
You can't even argue that he has intangible value.
What's the biggest, best, most defining moment of his career?
Very hard to come up with one!
Why?
Because he's never won a big game, with his bat or his glove!

While I agree that he shouldn't be deemed untradeable, my thought is this. Isn't it better to have a real good clubhouse guy like Wright, a professional hitter, a guy who does the right thing, and is there to teach the younger generation you are trying to bring up? I'm not saying build around him, but build with him. Like you said Dom, we overvalue him more than anybody else, so what are we going to get back for him? Maybe 1 solid prospect and a few guys who may never crack the big leagues? In my mind I'd rather have him here, because I just don't think there is value out there, and teams aren't screaming "we want David Wright and are willing to give up our 3 best prospects for him."

[jonumberone]

Originally Posted by kelmac07

And he's old school in that he plays the game the right way.

Originally Posted by yachties23

like Wright, a professional hitter, a guy who does the right thing,

Was Wright playing the game the right way, or doing the right thing, when he decided not to run to first on a dropped strike 3 against the Nats?

[kelmac07]

Originally Posted by jonumberone

Was Wright playing the game the right way, or doing the right thing, when he decided not to run to first on a dropped strike 3 against the Nats?

Zip it Dom!!

[yachties23]

Originally Posted by jonumberone

Was Wright playing the game the right way, or doing the right thing, when he decided not to run to first on a dropped strike 3 against the Nats?

Robinson Cano... that is all...

[kelmac07]

Originally Posted by yachties23

Robinson Cano... that is all...

Touche!!

[jonumberone]

Originally Posted by yachties23

Robinson Cano... that is all...

I never came in here proclaiming Cano as a "player who plays the game the right way".
If fact, the M.O. on Cano is that he's a lazy player, with talent that makes up for his shortcomings in the hustle department.
His being lazy and not working hard enough is what led to the trade of Melky Cabrera.

[yachties23]

Originally Posted by jonumberone

I never came in here proclaiming Cano as a "player who plays the game the right way".
If fact, the M.O. on Cano is that he's a lazy player, with talent that makes up for his shortcomings in the hustle department.
His being lazy and not working hard enough is what led to the trade of Melky Cabrera.

I just think one or two indiscretions on Wrights part pale in comparrison to the best player on the Yankees either hotdogging it or not putting in half the effort he should.

All that aside, Wight is a leader, and using your own argument, the Mets value him more than any other team will, so when we wouldn't get much back, why trade him. In light of Harvey coming up and being very good the other night, and the rumors that they may even bring up Wheeler this year, I think having a veteran presence in the locker room is necessary. Who else is that going to be? Maybe Johan or Dickey, but it is pretty clear to see that Wright is the leader of the team.

[jonumberone]

Originally Posted by yachties23

I just think one or two indiscretions on Wrights part pale in comparrison to the best player on the Yankees either hotdogging it or not putting in half the effort he should.

All that aside, Wight is a leader, and using your own argument, the Mets value him more than any other team will, so when we wouldn't get much back, why trade him. In light of Harvey coming up and being very good the other night, and the rumors that they may even bring up Wheeler this year, I think having a veteran presence in the locker room is necessary. Who else is that going to be? Maybe Johan or Dickey, but it is pretty clear to see that Wright is the leader of the team.

Playing the game the "right way" means you hustle on every play!
Using Cano as an example is grasping at straws.
Everybody knows Jeter is the guy on the Yanks you need to bring up when making comparisons in the "Hustle" department.
If I was a Sox fan, you would need to bring up Pedroia, not ortiz.
Otherwise your comparing apples to oranges, but you knew that already

Couple of points:

Originally Posted by yachties23

As of today I am no longer a Mets fan.

Chris, you seem awfully vested in a team you are not a fan of!

Mac, yes its Saturday morning, I'm bored, so I'm stirring the pot

FWIW, I think the Mets should clean house!
Trade Wright, Santana, and Dickey.
That's how they will get out of this situation they are mired in.
Bringing in crops of young talent, not holding on to the failed dreams of an 06, 07, and 08 team that came up short after being built around Wright!
As for a veteran presence, You have Jason Bay for next year with a player option for the following year!

[yachties23]

Originally Posted by jonumberone

Playing the game the "right way" means you hustle on every play!
Using Cano as an example is grasping at straws.
Everybody knows Jeter is the guy on the Yanks you need to bring up when making comparisons in the "Hustle" department.
If I was a Sox fan, you would need to bring up Pedroia, not ortiz.
Otherwise your comparing apples to oranges, but you knew that already

Couple of points:


Chris, you seem awfully vested in a team you are not a fan of!

Mac, yes its Saturday morning, I'm bored, so I'm stirring the pot

FWIW, I think the Mets should clean house!
Trade Wright, Santana, and Dickey.
That's how they will get out of this situation they are mired in.
Bringing in crops of young talent, not holding on to the failed dreams of an 06, 07, and 08 team that came up short after being built around Wright!
As for a veteran presence, You have Jason Bay for next year with a player option for the following year!

Dom, there is nobody I would rather dispute the faults of this team than you. Honestly for a Yankee fan you aren't half bad. That being said as much as I tried not to watch the Mets, once hockey and basketball season was over it was either watch the Mets, or be converted to a Kardashian viewer by my girlfriend. Since I couldn't allow the latter, I watched a lot of baseball, as a way to count the days until football season starts, which by the way in less than 6 weeks away.