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[icehog3]

Originally Posted by montecristo#2

that is what CS created for me. A bunch of friends I have actually flown places to meet (Hey Tom, when are you finally going to make it out to California to smoke some cigars?).

Thank you too, Aaron for the kind words....I look forward to the day (hopefully soon) when we can drop the "Cyber" from our "Cyber-Herf" together.

[montecristo#2]

Originally Posted by icehog3

Thank you too, Aaron for the kind words....I look forward to the day (hopefully soon) when we can drop the "Cyber" from our "Cyber-Herf" together.

That reminds me, I need to send you guys a PM about the next cyber herf! No reason we can't all smoke some good cigars right!


[edit] For some reason I cannot seem to edit my last post, even though it was less than 30 minutes ago. I want to add one more thing, I don't know Jon's master plan and have not talked to him about it. I just happen to work in online advertising and have seen websites try to do something similar.

[Da Klugs]

Originally Posted by montecristo#2

That reminds me, I need to send you guys a PM about the next cyber herf! No reason we can't all smoke some good cigars right!


[edit] For some reason I cannot seem to edit my last post, even though it was less than 30 minutes ago. I want to add one more thing, I don't know Jon's master plan and have not talked to him about it (I am just a mod, nothing more). I just happen to work in online advertising and have seen websites try to do something similar.

I think ours is less time. One of the few perks we got as mods there was exemption from the search time delays (you must wait 30 second thingie). Didn't remember it existed at all until afterwards and then.. arrgh.

I liked your post and agree. Puff will take the place of Cigarlive in my frame of reference (has that feel already). A different more commercial place that has it's value and vibe particularly for folks early in the journey. The videos are cool but lookng at Lopez is starting to make my head hurt almost as bad as reading stuff from KevinG.

[montecristo#2]

Originally Posted by Da Klugs

. . .my head hurt almost as bad as reading stuff from KevinG.

Amen to that.

[livwire68]

I was a member at CS for a couple years, I cant say I am sad to see it go. The reason being is that the heart of it is here at CA. Home is where the heart is! Everything we had there we have here, I just happen to log on in a forum with a different name, almost as if the other place never existed. Change comes to us in many different ways, some good some bad. We are fortunate that this change brought us a whole lota good. Its a small world when you choose to make it one, where family and friends are concerned.

[macpappy]

I joined CS the summer of 2007 and immediately felt welcome and comfortable with the forum. I was also one of the members who said we should all give it a chance after the change was announced. As someone who didn't have the time and effort invested in CS that some members did, I was willing to wait and see what the new management would do to the site.

The biggest changes I saw after Caputo became the owner was not anything he did immediately but the negativity that came out of a number of the old time CS members who did not like the fact that change was occurring and the vibe I got from some members who moved over from other forums. That changed the CS environment and when I was provided the information about the Asylum I joined.

Now that the official change has been made to Puff.com, I would say that many of the predictions made about the other site have come true or coming close to happening. That makes me glad to have the Asylum to visit.

But I am not giving up my membership at the other site. Why? Because it may not be the same old CS and I may not personally like everything that has happened over there, but it can still be another source of information about cigars and the world in general. Hey! I don't like everything in Cigar Aficianado. I don't like everything about Cigar magazine. But I still read them.

And I have noticed that there are quite a few of us who are still participating in discussions over there - at least for now. The number of times I visit the other site is decreasing and I think many of you are doing the same. That will mean less traffic for the other site in the short term, but then those numbers will bounce up and down as other "clubhouses" are brought on line so I would guess that losing a few hundred active members will really have little affect on the other site.

That's just my opinion.

[floydpink]

I like to think I am not completely ignorant when it comes to financial matters, but am stumped on something;

Why would Jon buy CS then change the name? Wouldn't it have been cheaper to just start Puff and use the undisclosed amount he used to purchase CS to spread some goodwill or something?

I guess the answer probably is that Jon never expected the mass exodus of former CS'ers and figured them membership came with the price of the name?

I honestly am not intending this as a jab at Caputo, I am sincerely curious.

Is it possible he has more bucks than brains? (that was the jab part)

[md4958]

Originally Posted by floydpink

I like to think I am not completely ignorant when it comes to financial matters, but am stumped on something;

Why would Jon buy CS then change the name? Wouldn't it have been cheaper to just start Puff and use the undisclosed amount he used to purchase CS to spread some goodwill or something?

I guess the answer probably is that Jon never expected the mass exodus of former CS'ers and figured them membership came with the price of the name?

I honestly am not intending this as a jab at Caputo, I am sincerely curious.

Is it possible he has more bucks than brains? (that was the jab part)

he could care less about the name ClubStogie... as you can see it didnt last long.. what he really wanted to purchase was our memberships... even if we dont use our accounts, our accounts are still active. The more members, the more $$ he can charge for advertising.

A membership at ClubStogie now is kinda like herpes, once you got it, you aint gettin rid of it

Originally Posted by floydpink

Why would Jon buy CS then change the name? (that was the jab part)

As regards Puff, I could have learnt to live with the addition of new sections and advertising. The former is not necessarily a bad idea and could provide the user with interesting information, and the latter, provided it remains cigar focussed, could actually be of commercial interest to the user or, if one dislikes it, could easily be blocked by security software. Furthermore, I am not intrinsically opposed to his having turned CS into commercial venture.

That said, the particular form that his venture took I dislike. I find the new logo and name unattractive, to say the least, and the relegation of the forum is lamentable. CS, Louie, and the jungle as a social forum for, and community of, cigar lovers, should have remained paramount.

[poker]

CS will always hold a special place in my heart.

I have nothing but the utmost respect for the moderation team of old CS members in place at Puff. All the guys here know you mods there have your hands full trying to keep order during a chaotic time. I am partially to blame for thinking I could stay until CS changed before making a decision to leave, but my heart was not in it, and the last person I will lie to is myself.

Many of us CS moderators (myself included) felt the mod team no longer dictated the flow of things there. Decisions we agreed on as mods were being overridden by Jon. I personally felt my services there as a mod were no longer needed.
With the collective efforts of the old CS mod team, we decided that something had to be done, but what could we do?

At that point, the Asylum was born. Never intended to compete against any other cigar forums. Never designed to plague or cause distress to other websites.
Our only intention was to create a safe haven for those who felt as we did. All 11 of us felt we had a responsibility to the members of Club Stogie to provide a place they could go to if they chose to do so.

While it is flattering that many folks feel a loyalty to Cigar Asylum, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being a member of multiple cigar forums.

[Kreth]

Originally Posted by poker

Our only intention was to create a safe haven for those who felt as we did.

So the original intent of the name was that definition of asylum? And now it's morphed into the other definition...

[jitzy]

Originally Posted by Da Klugs

I think ours is less time. One of the few perks we got as mods there was exemption from the search time delays (you must wait 30 second thingie). Didn't remember it existed at all until afterwards and then.. arrgh.

I liked your post and agree. Puff will take the place of Cigarlive in my frame of reference (has that feel already). A different more commercial place that has it's value and vibe particularly for folks early in the journey. The videos are cool but lookng at Lopez is starting to make my head hurt almost as bad as reading stuff from KevinG.

the funny thing is Daniel and Jon I feel from reading a lot of there posts more wanted to have more of the CS feel but the reason its starting to get the "Live" feel is cause John has Daniel running both boards so they are both gonna take on Daniels vision for the boards. Having Moded for Daniel on GARlive I wall say you learn a lot about someone when you work with them instead of just talking to them and those are the reasons I felt I had to leave cause there were things that ethicaly I did not like such as password scrambling.

On a separate note and this is not trying to pick a fight with any of the guys over at puff but I find it funny how guys think that by staying there they will "save" what they had I'm sorry but the name of the board does not make the board the members do and the true heart and soul of both CS and CL are here and at outcasts now, so there is no saving there is creating a new forum not the old.

I truly don't wish puff or any of the core members there any ill will nor do I hope they fail but I also don't think they are gonna do any good for the cigar community like Jon and Daniel are trying to claim but it really is just a money maker for Jon and a way for Daniel to do what he said he wanted to do and the reason he started live in the first place and that is make video's and eventually short documentry style movies.

I truly want to thank the TRUE botl that started the offshoot boards to keep a place for us to all come and just talk.

[pnoon]

Originally Posted by jitzy

. . . there were things that ethicaly I did not like such as password scrambling.
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What is "password scrambling"? And why is it unethical?
(The answer to the first question may answer my second)

[jitzy]

Originally Posted by pnoon

What is "password scrambling"? And why is it unethical?
(The answer to the first question may answer my second)

as an admin Daniel would change a members password so they could not log on to the site anymore so that he would not have to ban them but just make it so and I quote " Just make it look like they left" as far as unethical I feel that way cause you agree to a user agreement and he would "cheat" that agreement in his favor

[pnoon]

Originally Posted by jitzy

as an admin Daniel would change a members password so they could not log on to the site anymore so that he would not have to ban them but just make it so and I quote " Just make it look like they left" as far as unethical I feel that way cause you agree to a user agreement and he would "cheat" that agreement in his favor

No need to convince me it's unethical the way he would ban people. Not cool in my book.

[Da Klugs]

Originally Posted by jitzy

as an admin Daniel would change a members password so they could not log on to the site anymore so that he would not have to ban them but just make it so and I quote " Just make it look like they left" as far as unethical I feel that way cause you agree to a user agreement and he would "cheat" that agreement in his favor

Fair enough, not the bravest of options. Conversely, we have nothing but love for PDS. Character is an evolved trait and we all fall short in the face of adversity at times.

CS is merged and CL soon to follow. It's now old news for us CS folks and soon to be for the CL crowd as well, helps to get closure and be able to move on. This thread could be contrued as a lil "therapy" gettin it out so its.. well over with.

[VirtualSmitty]

Originally Posted by jitzy

as an admin Daniel would change a members password so they could not log on to the site anymore so that he would not have to ban them but just make it so and I quote " Just make it look like they left" as far as unethical I feel that way cause you agree to a user agreement and he would "cheat" that agreement in his favor

Couldn't they just reset their password though? It's a bs way of going about banning people but there is normally a link to forgot your password or some thing along those lines.