Your All Time MLB team

[forgop]

Originally Posted by Stephen

He's not going to make the HOF because of politics, not his play on the field. What he did between the stripes stacks up against anyone in MLB history. As an aside, I wonder how your list might look if you elimnated all those who took amphetamines.

I'm not disputing Bonds didn't play like one of the best ever on the field. All I'm disputing is his ability to play at that level before he needed a bigger hat and shoes. He's a guy who would have been a 30/30 or 40/40 with a respectable average and RBi's before roids entered the picture.

As far as the greenies, you might as well ban Red Bull and coffee. They will have similar results.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by forgop

I'm not disputing Bonds didn't play like one of the best ever on the field. All I'm disputing is his ability to play at that level before he needed a bigger hat and shoes. He's a guy who would have been a 30/30 or 40/40 with a respectable average and RBi's before roids entered the picture.

Uh, he was a multiple MVP award winner before there were even whispers of alleged steroid use.

Originally Posted by forgop

As far as the greenies, you might as well ban Red Bull and coffee. They will have similar results.

I'm not the one on a witch-hunt here, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.

[smitty81]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Uh, he was a multiple MVP award winner before there were even whispers of alleged steroid use.

Not wanting to get in the middle of this and get this thread off track but whos to say how long he has been using them?

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by smitty81

Not wanting to get in the middle of this and get this thread off track but whos to say how long he has been using them?

According to Kimberly Bell he started using them after 1998 season.

[smitty81]

Originally Posted by Stephen

According to Kimberly Bell he started using them after 1998 season.

Only BB knows the real truth.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by smitty81

Only BB knows the real truth.

Nah, having a bunch of armchair inquisitors is much more accurate.

[forgop]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Uh, he was a multiple MVP award winner before there were even whispers of alleged steroid use.

I'm not the one on a witch-hunt here, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.

I know he was a three time MVP and then went on to win four consecutive MVP awards after an 8 year "break". A guy whose career best 49 HR's (up 15 from just a year before), then hit 73 without any help? Puh-lease.

I don't think hypocrisy is the issue unless you are trying to make the case of steroids being no more of a performance enhancing drug than a drug that mimicks caffeine, albeit with more severe side effects.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by forgop

I know he was a three time MVP and then went on to win four consecutive MVP awards after an 8 year "break". A guy whose career best 49 HR's (up 15 from just a year before), then hit 73 without any help? Puh-lease.

You said...

Originally Posted by forgop

All I'm disputing is his ability to play at that level before he needed a bigger hat and shoes.

I'd also point out that during that, "8 year break", he was an All-Star every year, won four GG, four SS, and finished in top top five in MVP voting four times.

Originally Posted by forgop

I don't think hypocrisy is the issue unless you are trying to make the case of steroids being no more of a performance enhancing drug than a drug that mimicks caffeine, albeit with more severe side effects.

Couldn't the same logic be used for anabolic steroids that you're using for amphetamines? After all, anabolic steroids are a drug that mimics testosterone, albeit with more side effects. See how that works?

[bobarian]

C: Bench
1b: Gehrig
2b: Jackie Robinson
SS: Ripken
3b: Brooks Robinson
OF: Mays
OF: Mantle
OF: Clemente
RHP: Ryan
LHP: Carlton