911 call that went bad.

[Pseudosacred]

I'm going to go ahead and say that this cop should be fired. I mean, first of all, he was at the wrong address. It doesn't take a genius to realize the difference between a man who is breaking the law or a man that is not.

I don't think this is a matter of being a cop or not. From what I understand, you only draw your weapon on someone who poses a threat. A man who has his hands up is NOT a threat in any way.

Also, shooting a dog that's barking and "running toward you" is just ridiculous. That cop must have been a scared little man to be that intimidated by a 50 lb. dog.

Personally, though, I have had an experiance where I was pulled over at gunpoint due to false allegations of a "breaking & entering". I told this kid that cigarettes make him look like an idiot and he got really mad (I guess, he never said anything to me) so he filed a fake police report that I broke in, stole his laptop and drove by holding it out the window. I was driving to go meet my friends and play hockey and like...400ft from the rink, a cop turns his sirens on behind me. I pulled over and the guy gets out and posts up with his gun drawn. I was scared sh**less. He figured out that it was all a lie, but I still pressed charges and got him fired. He had NO reason to pull a gun. A taser? maybe. A gun is just wrong to pull on someone who isn't belligerant.

There's my

[Remo]

Originally Posted by Pseudosacred

I'm going to go ahead and say that this cop should be fired. I mean, first of all, he was at the wrong address. It doesn't take a genius to realize the difference between a man who is breaking the law or a man that is not.

I don't think this is a matter of being a cop or not. From what I understand, you only draw your weapon on someone who poses a threat. A man who has his hands up is NOT a threat in any way.

Also, shooting a dog that's barking and "running toward you" is just ridiculous. That cop must have been a scared little man to be that intimidated by a 50 lb. dog.


There's my

Let's look at it this way....just because some Sheep doesn't know their address or some dispatcher hears it wrong and sends it to the cop, how does the cop know he's at the wrong address? That's the one he was sent.....domestic disputes are one of the most dangerous calls an officer responds to, so the officer arrives and approaches a house where he believes a male is choking a female......violent felony.

As he approaches the house a 50 lb. dog charges from the backyard followed by a male who the officer believes has been choking a female, now the officer has to do something to protect himself from dog or male who he still thinks is a suspect, who could easily have a weapon and now the dog is impeding him from doing his job and staying safe. Just because someone has their hands up saying I didn't do anything doesn't make it so until the officer verifies what's going on, but until he can conduct an investigation he has no idea.

Again, unless you have been there and done that you can keep your

[bonjing]

[quote=Pseudosacred;1620078
I don't think this is a matter of being a cop or not. From what I understand, you only draw your weapon on someone who poses a threat. A man who has his hands up is NOT a threat in any way.

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I'm not LE, but have gone through some training

I'm just commenting on this part. I've had my A** handed to me during training scenarios where a suspect was, what some would consider no longer a "threat."

[markem]

Originally Posted by bonjing

I'm just commenting on this part. I've had my A** handed to me during training scenarios where a suspect was, what some would consider no longer a "threat."

I used to be a training volunteer for a local sheriff's academy. I was very good at playing the innocent who suddenly became the threat. In almost every situation, I got the upper hand and then the training officer would say something like, "This is what happened to officer X last week on that 2am traffic stop ..."

I was excellent at "obeying commands" while edging closer. The trainees hated me, but in a good way.

[Remo]

Originally Posted by Pseudosacred

A man who has his hands up is NOT a threat in any way.

How did I miss this?

I have dealt with some HUGE men in my time...6'6" 350 lb p!ssed off Polynesians drunk on Kava....now I don't care if they have their hands up...when they are verbally threatening to kill you, tear your head off and shove it up your @ss....you tell me if they are NOT a threat in any way.

[bonjing]

Originally Posted by Remo_5_0

How did I miss this?

I have dealt with some HUGE men in my time...6'6" 350 lb p!ssed off Polynesians drunk on Kava....now I don't care if they have their hands up...when they are verbally threatening to kill you, tear your head off and shove it up your @ss....you tell me if they are NOT a threat in any way.

Toss the man two sets of cuffs and tell him to put them on himself!

[Pseudosacred]

Originally Posted by Remo_5_0

How did I miss this?

I have dealt with some HUGE men in my time...6'6" 350 lb p!ssed off Polynesians drunk on Kava....now I don't care if they have their hands up...when they are verbally threatening to kill you, tear your head off and shove it up your @ss....you tell me if they are NOT a threat in any way.

I guess this is where my situational unawareness comes in. I would probably hold a gun to a dude like that.

But I was a 16 year old kid, crying with my hands up and he had a gun pointed at me from 2 feet away. That, in my mind, makes that cop a scum bag and I'm glad I could get him out of his position.

I have family members who are cops and they're great people. I guess my first encounter was just a really bad experiance, probably scarring me for life and making me dislike every other cop I meet.

By the way, what's kava? You mentioned someone "drunk on kava"?

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by Pseudosacred

A man who has his hands up is NOT a threat in any way.

I beg to differ.....from experience.

Originally Posted by Pseudosacred

Also, shooting a dog that's barking and "running toward you" is just ridiculous. That cop must have been a scared little man to be that intimidated by a 50 lb. dog.

We have two 50 lbs canines here that would turn someone inside out before they could say "boo".

[RGD.]

Originally Posted by icehog3

We have two 50 lbs canines here that would turn someone inside out before they could say "boo".

Exactly. And this poor dog was an Australian Cattle Dog - which for those of us who have been fortunate enough to own one, they have some of if not the sharpest teeth around.

I'm sure that Cisco was just doing what is in his breeds nature and that is to put himself between his master and anything he perceives to be a threat. Aussies are not known to attack but they will stand ground - period.

I feel bad for the homeowner. I feel for the officer who at that point believed he had no other choice.

I feel worse for Cisco who isn't here now through no fault of his own.

Ron