Pujols, I don't get it...

kelmac07 · 12-09-2011, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjavanish

Ummmmm, $260 Million.

Enough said. Get real bro. I like Pujols. I like the Cardinals. But when someone throws what basically amounts to a $260 Million retirement plan at you... you gotta think about the future... not just here and now. The Card's couldnt make him an offer like that.

I'm with Jeremy on this one. He has two rings with the Cardinals. Jose Reyes just broke our hearts by doing the same thing. But when I stop and think about it...what would I do? While the Cardinals have a better chance at winning than my Mets do, it is still very hard to turn down that kind of money. He's only get this opportunity once in his life and he went with the money.

jonumberone · 12-09-2011, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kelmac07

Jose Reyes just broke our hearts by doing the same thing.

Weren't you the one who thanked him for 9 great years?

Not sure Reyes left for more $, considering the Mets never made him an offer!

kelmac07 · 12-09-2011, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jonumberone

Weren't you the one who thanked him for 9 great years?

Not sure Reyes left for more $, considering the Mets never made him an offer!

I did thank him for nine great years...doesn't mean I wanted to see him leave. The Mets made it very clear that they were willing to go 5 years,$ 75-80 million...with an option for a 6th year. I cannot fault Jose for taking 6 years, $ 106 million and a chance to win now...because even I know that isn't gonna happen anytime soon with the Mets.

Starscream · 12-09-2011, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kelmac07

I did thank him for nine great years...doesn't mean I wanted to see him leave. The Mets made it very clear that they were willing to go 5 years,$ 75-80 million...with an option for a 6th year. I cannot fault Jose for taking 6 years, $ 106 million and a chance to win now...because even I know that isn't gonna happen anytime soon with the Mets.

I stand corrected. I didn't know they made him an offer.

kelmac07 · 12-09-2011, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Starscream

I stand corrected. I didn't know they made him an offer.

They didn't "woo" him like the Marlins did (they contacted Jose at 12:01 the day free agency opened) ...and it cost us. And then alderson makes some dumba$$ comment about how he should have offered a box of chocolates.

jonumberone · 12-09-2011, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Starscream

I stand corrected. I didn't know they made him an offer.

No they never made him an offer.
There were "discussions", between the Mets and his agent, but no offer was made.
FWIW Cashman had "discussions" with Reyes' agent and Pujols agent as well.
I think "discussions" are just standard operating procedure!

kelmac07 · 12-09-2011, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jonumberone

No they never made him an offer.
There were "discussions", between the Mets and his agent, but no offer was made.
FWIW Cashman had "discussions" with Reyes' agent and Pujols agent as well.
I think "discussions" are just standard operating procedure!

Alderson made his agent an offer of 5 years, $ 75-80 million with an option for a 6th year (Peter Gammons doesn't lie). And less than 24 hours later, the Marins presented their offer (with a new stadium and warmer weather). And POOF...Reyes is no longer a Met.

yachties23 · 12-10-2011, 05:23 AM

I still don't think there was an official offer on the table. At least nothing serious.

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Originally Posted by Starscream

I stand corrected. I didn't know they made him an offer.

Starscream · 12-09-2011, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kelmac07

I'm with Jeremy on this one. He has two rings with the Cardinals. Jose Reyes just broke our hearts by doing the same thing. But when I stop and think about it...what would I do? While the Cardinals have a better chance at winning than my Mets do, it is still very hard to turn down that kind of money. He's only get this opportunity once in his life and he went with the money.

I see your point, Mac, but Reyes didn't establish a dynasty with the Mets like Pujols did. Pujols leaving STL is similar to if Jeter left the Yankees in 2001. Or Stan Musial leaving halfway in his tenure, or etc...
Plus, like Dom said, they never even made him an offer.

kelmac07 · 12-09-2011, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Starscream

I see your point, Mac, but Reyes didn't establish a dynasty with the Mets like Pujols did. Pujols leaving STL is similar to if Jeter left the Yankees in 2001. Or Stan Musial leaving halfway in his tenure, or etc...

Very true Andy...Pujols has a chance to be the greatest to ever play the game (offensively) and to do that in one place (ala Tony Gywnn) is honorable. But in todays age of free agents and crazy-a$$ contracts...I KNOW I'd take the money. And by the way, Mets and the word dynasty hardly go together in the same sentence.

Starscream · 12-09-2011, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kelmac07

Very true Andy...Pujols has a chance to be the greatest to ever play the game (offensively) and to do that in one place (ala Tony Gywnn) is honorable. But in todays age of free agents and crazy-a$$ contracts...I KNOW I'd take the money. And by the way, Mets and the word dynasty hardly go together in the same sentence.

You've always got the Miracle '69 team to look back on. Same with Cincinnati. I've always got the BRM from the 70s and the 90 team.

kelmac07 · 12-09-2011, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Starscream

You've always got the Miracle '69 team to look back on. Same with Cincinnati. I've always got the BRM from the 70s and the 90 team.

Let's not forget the 1986 team (Buckner ball).

SmokeyJoe · 12-10-2011, 08:57 AM

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I still don't get it and say he's a d0uchebag. He's said how great STL is for so long and here are some quotes to prove it.

You are entitled to your view, but it is hard for me to see feeling so hard toward a guy who did so much for the Cardinals. My

Starscream · 12-10-2011, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyJoe

You are entitled to your view, but it is hard for me to see feeling so hard toward a guy who did so much for the Cardinals. My

You're right, Joe. D0uchebag is a strong word. He's not. I just expected more out of him. After all the talk that he's said over the years, I kinda put him above a lot of other baseball players when it comes to pride, ego, and money. I just thought he would be a bit more pure than the status quo is in baseball today when it came to money.
We watch sports for the competition, the excitement, and the ability to root and be passionate about something. And at the end of the day, many still want to see a fairy tale ending. But I guess fairy tales in sports are becoming a thing of the past. As much as I don't like the Yankees, I do love the fact that they have kept Jeter, Rivera, and Posada intact since day one. Same for Atlanta and keeping Chipper Jones. I really didn't expect Pujols to go the A-Rod route.

jonumberone · 12-09-2011, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kelmac07

Very true Andy...Pujols has a chance to be the greatest to ever play the game (offensively)

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

When Albert hits more homeruns than other Teams in the league, ala the Babe, we can talk about that.
Although, with the Mets lineup, it's not as unrealistic as it sounds

FWIW
Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Barry Bonds all played for more than 1 team.

kelmac07 · 12-09-2011, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jonumberone

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

When Albert hits more homeruns than other Teams in the league, ala the Babe, we can talk about that.
Although, with the Mets lineup, it's not as unrealistic as it sounds

FWIW
Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Barry Bonds all played for more than 1 team.

Come on Dom...when the Babe played...noone else was hitting HRs. Not even a fair comparison. But I know...you gotta "toot" that Yankee horn. And I see there is no mention of that 315 right field fence that the Babe used to hit 'em over.

jonumberone · 12-09-2011, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kelmac07

Come on Dom...when the Babe played...noone else was hitting HRs. Not even a fair comparison. But I know...you gotta "toot" that Yankee horn. And I see there is no mention of that 315 right field fence that the Babe used to hit 'em over.

Regardless of my Yankee bias, Babe Ruth is the greatest offensive player in the history of the game!
The fact that he was hitting homeruns when nobody else was only strengthens a case, that doesn't need to be made!

Stephen · 12-10-2011, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kelmac07

Come on Dom...when the Babe played...noone else was hitting HRs. Not even a fair comparison. But I know...you gotta "toot" that Yankee horn. And I see there is no mention of that 295 right field fence that the Babe used to hit 'em over.

FTFY.

kelmac07 · 12-09-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jonumberone

FWIW
Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Barry Bonds all played for more than 1 team.

I don't think you can call Bonds a legend (not with the steroids **). Babe, Mays, Aaron

jonumberone · 12-09-2011, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kelmac07

I don't think you can call Bonds a legend (not with the steroids **). Babe, Mays, Aaron

Probably right, I was just including the top HR hitters