Apple Announces iPhone 4S

Originally Posted by loki

in what way

Apple just barely got caught up with hardware specs (8mp camera? wow, what an improvement. dual-core? its about time. 2x Faster data? really? when u have folks like Verizion with exceptional 4G LTE network?). Which means they are still behind. We have to wait a whole year for the next spec bump. Buy then the other phone makers will have devices that will make the iPhone look like a jitterbug. Not to mention the size of the phone. If they really want people to make this a device that does it all, give me a bigger screen dammit!

The only thing the keeps the iPhone going is the reliable software.

of course, this is all my opinion, everyone has one I have been an iPhone user for all iterations of the phone. Heck I still have my original iPhone. But this phone does nothing to keep me on the bandwagon.

[Blak Smyth]

Originally Posted by kickerb

Apple just barely got caught up with hardware specs (8mp camera? wow, what an improvement. dual-core? its about time. 2x Faster data? really? when u have folks like Verizion with exceptional 4G LTE network?). Which means they are still behind. We have to wait a whole year for the next spec bump. Buy then the other phone makers will have devices that will make the iPhone look like a jitterbug. Not to mention the size of the phone. If they really want people to make this a device that does it all, give me a bigger screen dammit!

The only thing the keeps the iPhone going is the reliable software.

of course, this is all my opinion, everyone has one I have been an iPhone user for all iterations of the phone. Heck I still have my original iPhone. But this phone does nothing to keep me on the bandwagon.

I thought the same thing until I got a HTC inspire 4G. I considered not using my Iphone 4 anymore but after a few weeks I went back. The OS on the iphone is that much better it is worth using. The Inspire is faster I do admit and has a better camera, but it sucks to text with and to use the internet control and touch functions.

[Boz]

Originally Posted by kickerb

Apple just barely got caught up with hardware specs (8mp camera? wow, what an improvement. dual-core? its about time. 2x Faster data? really? when u have folks like Verizion with exceptional 4G LTE network?). Which means they are still behind. We have to wait a whole year for the next spec bump. Buy then the other phone makers will have devices that will make the iPhone look like a jitterbug. Not to mention the size of the phone. If they really want people to make this a device that does it all, give me a bigger screen dammit!

The only thing the keeps the iPhone going is the reliable software.

of course, this is all my opinion, everyone has one I have been an iPhone user for all iterations of the phone. Heck I still have my original iPhone. But this phone does nothing to keep me on the bandwagon.

Its a phone, 8mp is more than enough. I dont need a cannon or nikon on my phone. My 3gs has been plenty fast for me, if the new one is faster, hooray. I agree with the 4g network, they really need to step up this. I dont need a bigger screen. Again, its a phone. These are all my opinions obviously and I'm not trying to be a dick but the phones are exceptional for most people including myself.

I have several friends with Android phones and the only reason is because they have sprint. If they were with Verizon or ATT they would have iPhones, as they arent overly thrilled with their androids.

Originally Posted by kickerb

like Verizion with exceptional 4G LTE network?). .

Not a knock on you, but 1) Verizon most certainly does NOT have an exceptional 4g network, and

2) Why are people even worrying about that, or thinking about it? Data caps are already in place, are getting more totalitarian by the minute, and people worry about network speed..

Why? You won't ever be able to take advantage of the speed, so why worry about it?

[Devanmc]

Originally Posted by Resipsa

Not a knock on you, but 1) Verizon most certainly does NOT have an exceptional 4g network, and

2) Why are people even worrying about that, or thinking about it? Data caps are already in place, are getting more totalitarian by the minute, and people worry about network speed..

Why? You won't ever be able to take advantage of the speed, so why worry about it?

on the contrary. The LTE network is exceptional if you are in an area with it. I have an unlimited data plan as im grandfathered in. I use to for my downloads on campus as not to get into trouble. Even with a USB phone tether my phone is 10x faster then my dorms internet. Verizon also hasnt been able to throttle LTE yet. So even if i go threw 10gb in a week(just an example), they cant slow me down other then to kick me off which they wont do.

[MikeyC]

Originally Posted by Devanmc

just wait.. google is supposed to be announcing a Samsung/Google nexus prime(October 11th at some event). Which will have more development support, new android system and higher hardware specs. It should also support google wallet. Which might be a cool feature.

I have a moto bionic. Although its pretty cool. I liked the droid charge for user friendliness, development friendliness(custom ROMS) and it was lighter. MOTO blur is crap, its locked down like a vault and the phone is built pretty cheaply. IE lots of soft plastic.


As for the topic of the I4S. i think the biggest thing bar none that apple needs to do with the IOS firmware is get flash support. Sure i dont use it ofter but its great not to see broken webpages when i need to.

Originally Posted by Devanmc

on the contrary. The LTE network is exceptional if you are in an area with it. I have an unlimited data plan as im grandfathered in. I use to for my downloads on campus as not to get into trouble. Even with a USB phone tether my phone is 10x faster then my dorms internet. Verizon also hasnt been able to throttle LTE yet. So even if i go threw 10gb in a week(just an example), they cant slow me down other then to kick me off which they wont do.

I have a Charge and my wife just got the Bionic. I couldn't agree with you more . . . two GREAT phones. I don't jailbreak my phones ever so the fact that the Bionic is locked down is not an issue for me. I do find though that the Bionic is a little smoother likely due to the faster processor. So for me, I wish I had the Bionic. As far as data network, there's no comparison between 3G and LTE. The data is so much faster and I actually don't mind surfing the internet on my Charge and the apps work so much faster. The bigger screen is an improvement as well. It's easy to see web pages and reading emails is not a problem at all.

As a former iPhone user, I can honestly say I STRONGLY prefer the Droid platform. I was thinking the new iPhone would make me regret the switch but I'm happy to say . . . the 4S catches Apple up to what Google phones have been doing for quite some time now and not even all the way. Maybe when the 5 comes out it'll be a closer contest.

Originally Posted by Devanmc

on the contrary. The LTE network is exceptional if you are in an area with it. I have an unlimited data plan as im grandfathered in. I use to for my downloads on campus as not to get into trouble. Even with a USB phone tether my phone is 10x faster then my dorms internet. Verizon also hasnt been able to throttle LTE yet. So even if i go threw 10gb in a week(just an example), they cant slow me down other then to kick me off which they wont do.

With the weightlessness and all I've heard playing basketball on the moon is great too

The network doesn't do most people much good since it's not in a lot of areas yet

And they don't need to throttle you, youre misunderstanding either the issue or the technology


Throttling refers to the speed of the network, like a governor on a car engine

Data caps limit how much data you can download, regardless of network speed.

Verizon has a 2 gb cap for most people. Streaming. A hd movie would blow through that cap in mere minutes on a lte network

[Devanmc]

Originally Posted by Resipsa

With the weightlessness and all I've heard playing basketball on the moon is great too

The network doesn't do most people much good since it's not in a lot of areas yet

And they don't need to throttle you, youre misunderstanding either the issue or the technology


Throttling refers to the speed of the network, like a governor on a car engine

Data caps limit how much data you can download, regardless of network speed.

Verizon has a 2 gb cap for most people. Streaming. A hd movie would blow through that cap in mere minutes on a lte network

On that side of the coin i agree. If you are upgrading to a smart phone and have a data cap or are not living in a LTE are. Its a moot point because either to dont have it or will use so much data so quickly.

as for the throttling, yes i understand what it means.What i was refering to is that. If you are grandfathers into unlimited data. Verizon starts throttling your network data speed above 5gb on the 3g network. If i remember correctly. But they are unable to do this on LTE as of yet.

[shilala]

Originally Posted by Resipsa

Verizon has a 2 gb cap for most people. Streaming. A hd movie would blow through that cap in mere minutes on a lte network

...Which makes LTE moot, and only further announces Verizon's senselessness.
They have the Reverse Midas touch. Everything they lay their hands on turns to sh1t.

[Devanmc]

Originally Posted by shilala

...Which makes LTE moot, and only further announces Verizon's senselessness.
They have the Reverse Midas touch. Everything they lay their hands on turns to sh1t.

its a tiered systemwith 2, 5 and 8gb options. Att is doing the same to new smart phone customers. so im not sure why it makes only Verizon senseless.

[shilala]

Originally Posted by Devanmc

its a tiered systemwith 2, 5 and 8gb options. Att is doing the same to new smart phone customers. so im not sure why it makes only Verizon senseless.

Use math. Compare the throughput, data options that it serves, and figure out what it will cost to actually use it an any manner that would take advantage of it's (theoretical) speed and throughput.
It's like filling a quart jar with a firehouse and charging 10 bucks every time you get a drink.