Blak Smyth's art thread

[wayner123]

I mean no disrespect personally, but I don't see this as art. It's a simple drawing or sketch. It doesn't convey anything to me other than it's a cigar.

[Blak Smyth]

Originally Posted by wayner123

I mean no disrespect personally, but I don't see this as art. It's a simple drawing or sketch. It doesn't convey anything to me other than it's a cigar.

I see your point, this "is" only a sketch. It is a starting point, I have not done any cigar art yet so I am just testing the waters.
Personally I see a simple drawing or sketch as art, if it speaks to you personally or not.
Thanks for the opinion though, I respect your honesty.

[Poronico]

The sketch is awesome, but I think it will all come down to the media used for the actual art. I have noticed that with most "caves" or smoking dens they are generally darker and relaxed. I really enjoy the look of oils and charcoal in rich colors in that type of atmosphere. Some water colors have a lack of presence in my eyes, but I am certainly no expert in these matters. I just like things that are pretty

Something along the lines of this... is what I am trying to describe.

Originally Posted by Blak Smyth

I see your point, this "is" only a sketch. It is a starting point, I have not done any cigar art yet so I am just testing the waters.
Personally I see a simple drawing or sketch as art, if it speaks to you personally or not.
Thanks for the opinion though, I respect your honesty.

[Blak Smyth]

Originally Posted by Poronico

The sketch is awesome, but I think it will all come down to the media used for the actual art. I have noticed that with most "caves" or smoking dens they are generally darker and relaxed. I really enjoy the look of oils and charcoal in rich colors in that type of atmosphere. Some water colors have a lack of presence in my eyes, but I am certainly no expert in these matters. I just like things that are pretty

Something along the lines of this... is what I am trying to describe.

Yup I hear yah, thanks for the feedback.
I like the charcoal idea too

[Blak Smyth]

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[the nub]

Originally Posted by wayner123

I mean no disrespect personally, but I don't see this as art. It's a simple drawing or sketch. It doesn't convey anything to me other than it's a cigar.

IMHO I would go even further and say this is a line drawing with some tonal value added. I think this drawing is the starting stage of something that could be interesting but it is really lacking and unfinished right now.

It's a bit timid in that there is an attempt to add shading but stops with just the shadow. For example, why is the cigar the same value as the background? The actual band is white but we know the cigar is many, many shades darker, so why isn't the cigar represented that way? Think of how you perceive a cigar- what are your first impressions? Color? Then represent these as dark or light. Go back and be bold with your shading.

Wrapper lines are much too prominent also. Do they usually jump out at you when you look at a cigar or do they disappear into the overall color? Detail is important but recognize when they should be present and when they are superfluous.

Straight lines vs. 'jittery'. The outline of the cigar has been carefully drawn to show smooth curves and straight lines whereas the band is the opposite. Do one or the other not both, otherwise the drawing looks disjointed.

If you are going to incorporate shading into your drawings, a valuable lesson for you might be photograph an object, convert it to grey scale on your computer and draw and sketch from that. It will help you to identify value/tone.

Try some drawing exercises such as drawing an object without lifting your pencil or looking at the page. It will help you to see and give confidence to your drawing.

Hope this helps. All IMHO.

[Blak Smyth]

Originally Posted by the nub

IMHO I would go even further and say this is a line drawing with some tonal value added. I think this drawing is the starting stage of something that could be interesting but it is really lacking and unfinished right now.

It's a bit timid in that there is an attempt to add shading but stops with just the shadow. For example, why is the cigar the same value as the background? The actual band is white but we know the cigar is many, many shades darker, so why isn't the cigar represented that way? Think of how you perceive a cigar- what are your first impressions? Color? Then represent these as dark or light. Go back and be bold with your shading.

Wrapper lines are much too prominent also. Do they usually jump out at you when you look at a cigar or do they disappear into the overall color? Detail is important but recognize when they should be present and when they are superfluous.

Straight lines vs. 'jittery'. The outline of the cigar has been carefully drawn to show smooth curves and straight lines whereas the band is the opposite. Do one or the other not both, otherwise the drawing looks disjointed.

If you are going to incorporate shading into your drawings, a valuable lesson for you might be photograph an object, convert it to grey scale on your computer and draw and sketch from that. It will help you to identify value/tone.

Try some drawing exercises such as drawing an object without lifting your pencil or looking at the page. It will help you to see and give confidence to your drawing.

Hope this helps. All IMHO.

Very good info
I see all of your points. I may have to mess around a bit more with this to see if I can improve upon it.