What makes a good cigar a good cigar?

[shilala]

Originally Posted by wayner123

...or else the discussion will go round and round.

That's what I'm looking for, brother. I'm really hoping everyone will throw in their two cents so I can re-examine what I was thinking in the first place.

[gorob23]

All I can think of is rice Krispies

Rob

[wayner123]

Originally Posted by shilala

That's what I'm looking for, brother. I'm really hoping everyone will throw in their two cents so I can re-examine what I was thinking in the first place.

I am all for discussion, but I was referring more to the definition of terms. One person's complex may be anothers dynamic, while yet another sees it as full flavor or muddled.

To me what makes a great cigar, is price and flavor. Since we all purchase our cigars (and this is not a hypothetical) price plays a part for me. If the cigar is great but is expensive, I can't buy as many, so IMO the flavor was great but the cigar might not be because I can't go out and buy a lot of them. I mean a Ferrari Enzo is a great car, but I can't afford it, so to me it's not that great.

Flavor in the end is what it's all about. If I don't like the flavor's or flavor I am getting from a cigar it gets pitched. Now as to what those flavors are is the main question. And to each person I think that may be different.

[RevSmoke]

Originally Posted by wayner123

I am all for discussion, but I was referring more to the definition of terms. One person's complex may be anothers dynamic, while yet another sees it as full flavor or muddled.

To me what makes a great cigar, is price and flavor. Since we all purchase our cigars (and this is not a hypothetical) price plays a part for me. If the cigar is great but is expensive, I can't buy as many, so IMO the flavor was great but the cigar might not be because I can't go out and buy a lot of them. I mean a Ferrari Enzo is a great car, but I can't afford it, so to me it's not that great.

Flavor in the end is what it's all about. If I don't like the flavor's or flavor I am getting from a cigar it gets pitched. Now as to what those flavors are is the main question. And to each person I think that may be different.

Price doesn't make it great or not - nor does your ability to attain something make it great or not. The Enzo is still a great car, even if I will never drive one. It is something I may dream about (actually, probably not), but it is still great.

I have smoked one Padron 80th, and probably will never smoke another because I am too doggone tight to spend the amount of coin necessary. Who knows, maybe some event will drive me to do so again. It is and was a great cigar.

Complexity, at least according to my definition of such, may have little or nothing to do with dynamic or exciting or trying to put a term to a flavor I cannot describe (that's simply an unknown flavor). Although I must admit that I may have described things happening in the smoking of a cigar, which I couldn't describe, as complexity (shame on me). Let me see if I can come up with a definition of complexity.

Complexity: the ability of a cigar to change flavors as the cigar progresses, whether confined to flavors present, or the adding of new flavors. This is not to say that the changes are complete, but simply that one flavor may come to the fore for a bit, then fade into the background as another flavor picks up the melody line. Nuances of flavors that ebb and flow, or flavors that may appear and disappear completely.

How is that?

Peace of the Lord be with you.