Bugs are Bad

[md4958]

Originally Posted by guitar4001

Oh, and we saw several boxes with mold. .

In a B&M thats "plume", if you had asked the staff they would have explained that to you. Everywhere else its mold, but at a B&M its very desirable

It still amazes me that there are people that own/run cigar shops that have absolutely no clue as to how to store their merchandise.

[wayner123]

Originally Posted by md4958

In a B&M thats "plume", if you had asked the staff they would have explained that to you. Everywhere else its mold, but at a B&M its very desirable

It still amazes me that there are people that own/run cigar shops that have absolutely no clue as to how to store their merchandise.

While I agree with you, I doubt you have people opening your humidor, coolidor, etc all day long. I think that some shops which have high humidity are trying to combat the fluctuations. However, they are going about it in the wrong way, imo.

[jonumberone]

Originally Posted by wayner123

I think that some shops which have high humidity are trying to combat the fluctuations. However, they are going about it in the wrong way, imo.

Had this discussion with Kevin from Winston humidors on Saturday.
He said he keeps his humidor at home in the 63 range, but in the shop he keeps it higher to make the sticks more durable.
He explained that people are constantly coming in and squeezing the sticks and dropping them and the higher RH saves him from losing his stock to busted wrappers.
It made sense to me from a business stand point.

[md4958]

Originally Posted by jonumberone

Had this discussion with Kevin from Winston humidors on Saturday.
He said he keeps his humidor at home in the 63 range, but in the shop he keeps it higher to make the sticks more durable.
He explained that people are constantly coming in and squeezing the sticks and dropping them and the higher RH saves him from losing his stock to busted wrappers.
It made sense to me from a business stand point.

That makes sense Dom, I can see them keeping it a bit higher than I do at home. But did Kevin express any concern about loosing stock from being over-run with mold? Sorry, "plume".

[jonumberone]

Originally Posted by md4958

That makes sense Dom, I can see them keeping it a bit higher than I do at home. But did Kevin express any concern about loosing stock from being over-run with mold? Sorry, "plume".

The topic came up when we were discussing beads so it didn't head in that direction. IIRC he said he keeps the shop at 68. I had 2 sticks out of the Humi that day, neither was plugged or plagued with relights, but the burn on both was wavy.

[md4958]

Originally Posted by jonumberone

The topic came up when we were discussing beads so it didn't head in that direction. IIRC he said he keeps the shop at 68. I had 2 sticks out of the Humi that day, neither was plugged or plagued with relights, but the burn on both was wavy.

I would consider 68% to be on the low side of what most of these places generally keep their humidity at. Kudos to Kevin for that.

[guitar4001]

Originally Posted by jonumberone

Had this discussion with Kevin from Winston humidors on Saturday.
He said he keeps his humidor at home in the 63 range, but in the shop he keeps it higher to make the sticks more durable.
He explained that people are constantly coming in and squeezing the sticks and dropping them and the higher RH saves him from losing his stock to busted wrappers.
It made sense to me from a business stand point.

Alot of guys on the boards believe that places like JR's and Holt's mail their cigars a little "wet" because the time in transit could otherwise dry out the cigars. This got me thinking that maybe a wetter cigar holds out better in transit and retail shelves like you stated above. I dunno if that is true, but it makes sense to me. Also, it is a convienient excuse for a shop with higher than normal humidity.

[md4958]

Originally Posted by wayner123

I agree with most everything you wrote except this:




The article here:http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...E4A4D6A.d03t02

Shows them flying at 13C (55.4F). You and I have had this discussion before. I would greatly appreciate the article you cite for the temp of 71.5F. The article I linked shows a constant temp of 13C.


Just as a bonus, here is a good looking pdf on the subject of beetles: http://www.smcs.se/Meet%20the%20beet...mer%202008.pdf

Mind you, it's from cigar magazine. So take it for what it's worth.

Wayne, in that PDF you cited, under "Temprature is the Key" it states exactly what Adam had said earlier about the temprature at which they fly. Which you disagreed with (quoted below)

Originally Posted by T.G

Once you start getting close to 70F, you're into the risk zone and the beetles have to fly to mate and they won't form wings at temps less than 71.5F, so over that, and you can start perpetuating multiple generations of the lil' bastards.

Originally Posted by wayner123

While I agree with you, I doubt you have people opening your humidor, coolidor, etc all day long. I think that some shops which have high humidity are trying to combat the fluctuations. However, they are going about it in the wrong way, imo.

My point was more towards temperature than RH%, but to your point I understand fluctuations from the door being constantly opened, but why does it have to be like a tropical green house in there, with condensation dripping down the windows?

And why is it so goddamn hot in there?!?!?

[Boss Hogg]

Originally Posted by md4958

In a B&M thats "plume", if you had asked the staff they would have explained that to you. Everywhere else its mold, but at a B&M its very desirable

It still amazes me that there are people that own/run cigar shops that have absolutely no clue as to how to store their merchandise.

this is so true it is pathetic.