RH Question

So do you buy Royal Purple motor oil for you car? This is said to be the best oil out there? Your car is most likely worth more than a couple grand right?

[Bill86]

Originally Posted by Josh_Lucky_13

So do you buy Royal Purple motor oil for you car? This is said to be the best oil out there? Your car is most likely worth more than a couple grand right?

No my car is a Nissan lease vehicle, they take care of everything for me.

You're comparing oil to oil and something a cat sh!ts in to something made for cigar humidity.

The two have nothing in common.

Originally Posted by Bill86

No my car is a Nissan lease vehicle, they take care of the everything for me.

You're comparing oil to oil and something a cat sh!ts in to something made for cigar humidity.

The two have nothing in common.

No what I am trying to do is compare oil to silica beads. Now cheap gas station $0.99 oil does not stand up to $10 royal purple. Yet they both work! The difference between your beads and my KL is virtually the same except for some minor differences. http://talasonline.com/photos/instru...a_gel_info.pdf

Beads where not made for cigars. Neither was KL. Now the biggest difference between the 2 I can tell is beads are high density and regular density KL(why you should use twice as much KL than beads). They both absorb moisture and can maintain RH. It is the moisture absorbency property that led to the development of Silica into KL. Now if you did any research most cats do not react positively to silica KL in fact many cats have to be trained to use this over the clay litter out there. So you point of worried your cat will pee on your sticks is pointless.

Coolers in fact where not meant for cigar storage but many use it and it works well. Should everyone dump their coolers full of sticks and all buy a Waxing Moon Humidor since that is acceptable cigar storage? If you dont like KL that is fine, if you use a humidor over a cooler or vice versa that is fine but the way some of you talk about another method seems closed mined and a little off. If you think your sticks are so valuable that only the best will do then I am all for it and Ed make great humidors. KL works as good for RH as a cooler does for cigar storage. They both save $$ to buy more sticks.

[Devanmc]

Originally Posted by Josh_Lucky_13

No what I am trying to do is compare oil to silica beads. Now cheap gas station $0.99 oil does not stand up to $10 royal purple. Yet they both work! The difference between your beads and my KL is virtually the same except for some minor differences. http://talasonline.com/photos/instru...a_gel_info.pdf

Beads where not made for cigars. Neither was KL. Now the biggest difference between the 2 I can tell is beads are high density and regular density KL(why you should use twice as much KL than beads). They both absorb moisture and can maintain RH. It is the moisture absorbency property that led to the development of Silica into KL. Now if you did any research most cats do not react positively to silica KL in fact many cats have to be trained to use this over the clay litter out there. So you point of worried your cat will pee on your sticks is pointless.

Coolers in fact where not meant for cigar storage but many use it and it works well. Should everyone dump their coolers full of sticks and all buy a Waxing Moon Humidor since that is acceptable cigar storage? If you dont like KL that is fine, if you use a humidor over a cooler or vice versa that is fine but the way some of you talk about another method seems closed mined and a little off. If you think your sticks are so valuable that only the best will do then I am all for it and Ed make great humidors. KL works as good for RH as a cooler does for cigar storage. They both save $$ to buy more sticks.

Im to lazy to actually respond to what is making me feel _____...but

the beads we use were in fact made specifically for RH control. KL was not made for that. So comparing motor oil to motor oil and a cats toilet to humidification beads doesnt work...

Sure they may be able to accomplish the same thing but also might olive oil in my engine. Im definitely not going to risk possible problems though. Its just not worth it when in the big picture there is a solution that is ment for the exact job i need for cheap

[md4958]

Originally Posted by Josh_Lucky_13

No what I am trying to do is compare oil to silica beads.

I dont use Silica beads, mine are made of clay. Maybe the inventor (a member here) can chime in one if he invented them for cigars or had other uses in mind.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by Josh_Lucky_13

The difference between your beads and my KL is virtually the same except for some minor differences.

Opinions vary, Josh.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by Josh_Lucky_13

They both absorb moisture and can maintain RH.

The beads can also emit humidity, not just absorb it. That is crucial during the winter months with a forced-air furnace in much of the U.S..

[Bageland2000]

Originally Posted by Josh_Lucky_13

No what I am trying to do is compare oil to silica beads. Now cheap gas station $0.99 oil does not stand up to $10 royal purple. Yet they both work! The difference between your beads and my KL is virtually the same except for some minor differences. http://talasonline.com/photos/instru...a_gel_info.pdf

Beads where not made for cigars. Neither was KL. Now the biggest difference between the 2 I can tell is beads are high density and regular density KL(why you should use twice as much KL than beads). They both absorb moisture and can maintain RH. It is the moisture absorbency property that led to the development of Silica into KL. Now if you did any research most cats do not react positively to silica KL in fact many cats have to be trained to use this over the clay litter out there. So you point of worried your cat will pee on your sticks is pointless.

Coolers in fact where not meant for cigar storage but many use it and it works well. Should everyone dump their coolers full of sticks and all buy a Waxing Moon Humidor since that is acceptable cigar storage? If you dont like KL that is fine, if you use a humidor over a cooler or vice versa that is fine but the way some of you talk about another method seems closed mined and a little off. If you think your sticks are so valuable that only the best will do then I am all for it and Ed make great humidors. KL works as good for RH as a cooler does for cigar storage. They both save $$ to buy more sticks.

OMG I'm unbelievably impressed that you found an actual scientific research paper to back up your claims. Thanks for putting that time in, definitely did a great deal to help me decide

Edit: ALSO, I'm awestruck at the amount of controversy this caused! I guess when political discussion is outlawed people have to get up in arms about something!!! When it comes down to it everyone here is in a community and no one wants to see new members making decision that could potentially ruin cigars. Long live CA

[bobarian]

Originally Posted by Bageland2000

OMG I'm unbelievably impressed that you found an actual scientific research paper to back up your claims. Thanks for putting that time in, definitely did a great deal to help me decide
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Edit: ALSO, I'm awestruck at the amount of controversy this caused! I guess when political discussion is outlawed people have to get up in arms about something!!! When it comes down to it everyone here is in a community and no one wants to see new members making decision that could potentially ruin cigars. Long live CA

If you have concluded that unconditioned KL is an acceptable medium for regulation of Rh then you are sadly mistaken. Conditioning to a specific Rh above 50% requires both time and a hygrometer that is much more accurate than the typical digital home hygrometer. Also, the amount of KL needed is approximately 4 to 5 times the amount of Rh beads. Search some of Shilala's research in this forum for more details. KL does a great job of absorbing moisture, but unless you like your cigars at 50%, then you have a lot of work to do before KL will release moisture at a more desireable Rh for cigars.

[Bageland2000]

Originally Posted by bobarian

If you have concluded that unconditioned KL is an acceptable medium for regulation of Rh then you are sadly mistaken. Conditioning to a specific Rh above 50% requires both time and a hygrometer that is much more accurate than the typical digital home hygrometer. Also, the amount of KL needed is approximately 4 to 5 times the amount of Rh beads. Search some of Shilala's research in this forum for more details. KL does a great job of absorbing moisture, but unless you like your cigars at 50%, then you have a lot of work to do before KL will release moisture at a more desireable Rh for cigars.

I'm hearing the "look what you did you little jerk" from Uncle frank in "Home Alone." Definitely didn't mean to restart this thread I have read the whole article and every post in the thread and made up my mind. I won't say what that is though! not going to do anything to get this restarted

[bobarian]

Originally Posted by Bageland2000

I'm hearing the "look what you did you little jerk" from Uncle frank in "Home Alone." Definitely didn't mean to restart this thread I have read the whole article and every post in the thread and made up my mind. I won't say what that is though! not going to do anything to get this restarted

Just saying that the comments in this thread are not the only ones to consider. Many use KL, many use PG solution and a sponge. Like cigars, enjoy whatever you choose.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by Bageland2000

OMG I'm unbelievably impressed that you found an actual scientific research paper to back up your claims. Thanks for putting that time in, definitely did a great deal to help me decide

Josh_Lucky_13 hasn't been back for over 5 months, so I am afraid he won't be here to hear your praise.

[Bageland2000]

Originally Posted by icehog3

Josh_Lucky_13 hasn't been back for over 5 months, so I am afraid he won't be here to hear your praise.

His name and his number of posts say that he's gone for good

[T.G]

Originally Posted by Bageland2000

OMG I'm unbelievably impressed that you found an actual scientific research paper to back up your claims.

No, he didn't.

He found a paper on silica gel for preservation of museum exhibits and from the appearances of his post he only skimmed it, if even that.

If you follow it and understand what you are dealing with, something as haphazardly manufactured as kitty litter, the most popular being "Exquisicat Cat Piss Soaker Plus" hardly even qualifies as "RD Gel" which isn't even close to the "Art-Sorb" "Rhapid-Gel" - these are industry standard Rh maintenance mediums.

As one goes through the paper, the author points out flaw after flaw in "RD Gel".

Originally Posted by Bageland2000

have read the whole article and every post in the thread and made up my mind.

Reading and understanding are two different things.

[Bageland2000]

Originally Posted by T.G

Reading and understanding are two different things.

Hmm... I have to say that I never like to say things that could cause controversy on these forums. I'm very opinionated but I like to keep those out of CA. I like to keep things lite here. I did understand the article. And though it wasn't specifically about Cigar beads at all (clearly)- that doesn't change the fact that it was written using the scientific method. That comment was pretty presumptuous.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by Josh_Lucky_13

So do you buy Royal Purple motor oil for you car? This is said to be the best oil out there? Your car is most likely worth more than a couple grand right?

Maybe Royal Purple has some scientific testing to back up that claim? I wouldn't know, but I am doubting the KL people have any regarding cigar humidification.

[md4958]

Originally Posted by Josh_Lucky_13

So do you buy Royal Purple motor oil for you car? This is said to be the best oil out there? Your car is most likely worth more than a couple grand right?

I use Mobil1, and Shilala beads

[Bill86]

Originally Posted by md4958

I use Mobil1, and Shilala beads

The beads are for your car though right? and you use the mobil for the humidor correct?

[md4958]

Originally Posted by Bill86

The beads are for your car though right? and you use the mobil for the humidor correct?

I use both in my cabinet and ONLY the Mobil1 in my desktop.

I find the Mobil1 accelerates the accumulation of Plume and cigar beetles dont seem to like it. It also aids in combustion.

[Devanmc]

Originally Posted by Josh_Lucky_13

So do you buy Royal Purple motor oil for you car? This is said to be the best oil out there? Your car is most likely worth more than a couple grand right?

no we are arguing this...

we use beads(of various brands) to maintain out cigars, some agrue to use KL(which is for cat piss and poop). which can work but is for a completely different application...

now sure royal purple is the "best" but it is still motor oil. I dont use vegetable oil in my car cuz its cheap and still a type of oil. i use my own preferred brand of motor oil(i use mobil1 synthetic) Cuz its designed for its use...