Sabathia to the Yankees... probably

King James · 12-10-2008, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty

The problem is the Yankees are expected to win year in and year out. Rebuilding isn't an option in NY. And in all fairness, they tried to build around their draft players. Chen Meng Wang, Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy, Phil Coke, Darrel Rasner, Joba Chamberlain, all Yankees picks. The problem was Hughes sucked, Kennedy sucked, Wang got hurt, Rasner was only ok, and Joba got hurt. With Moose retired, Rasners contract sold to a Japanese team, and Petite unsgined as of yet they need pitching right now to compete in the American League East. Sabathia is the best of the bunch available right now, if elects to go somewhere else I wouldn't be surprised if they signed Lowe, Garland, or that other Brewers pitcher who name escapes me.

In all honesty though James, the Brewers never had a chance at resigning him. He turned down a 100 million dollar contract when he was still with the Indians, the Brewers just don't have that kind of money to throw around.

Brewers were even offering part ownership of the team I heard, guaranteeing Sabathia $$ after he retires even (not that he will have money problems). And I remember seeing a program on how after the success of the late 90's early 2000's that the Yankees began the pattern of dealing away their young guys for established players and have had problems ever since.

VirtualSmitty · 12-10-2008, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by King James

Brewers were even offering part ownership of the team I heard, guaranteeing Sabathia $$ after he retires even (not that he will have money problems). And I remember seeing a program on how after the success of the late 90's early 2000's that the Yankees began the pattern of dealing away their young guys for established players and have had problems ever since.

False, false, and false. First of all no player can be offered a piece of ownership in any team. There was a big to do about that if you recall when A-Rod was a free agent and the Cubs wanted him. But they didn't have the cash and wanted to offer him a piece of the team, and MLB said no.

Secondly, the Yankees generally haven't dealt any of their good young players for vets. We specialize in signing over the hill free agents, not trading for them. In fact, the Yanks dealt more of their young talent during the dynasty years , not after. Really the only name that stands out from this era is Alfonso Soriano, but considering that we got A-Rod, you can write that one off. Both are great players, neither can hit worth a damn during the postseason. Find me the name of one other Yankees prospect that's turned into a great player as of late that we've traded away.

King James · 12-10-2008, 09:44 AM

I believe the show (or may even have been a report on SportsCenter) said they did start dealing away in the dynasty era, causing the bad past several seasons. Don't have any specific examples unfortunately, just remember that was the jist of what they were saying.

VirtualSmitty · 12-10-2008, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by King James

I believe the show (or may even have been a report on SportsCenter) said they did start dealing away in the dynasty era, causing the bad past several seasons. Don't have any specific examples unfortunately, just remember that was the jist of what they were saying.

Depends how you look at it James. The Yanks still made the playoffs every season up until the last one, made the WS twice, and even last season they had a winning record. It just wasn't enough, too many injuries. But i wouldn't call the last several seasons bad ones.

taltos · 12-10-2008, 01:09 PM

The Yankees just signed a whole bunch of dead money when Sabathia either eats himself out of the rotation or breaks down in a couple of years. Glad to see the Yankees sign him. Hope that they sign Lowe also and watch him have problems in an east coast pressure cooker as he did in Boston. Pressure and 4am closing times. Great choice.

VirtualSmitty · 12-10-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by taltos

The Yankees just signed a whole bunch of dead money when Sabathia either eats himself out of the rotation or breaks down in a couple of years. Glad to see the Yankees sign him. Hope that they sign Lowe also and watch him have problems in an east coast pressure cooker as he did in Boston. Pressure and 4am closing times. Great choice.

Your just jealous Boston didn't get him. Only 28 years old and the most dominating pitcher in baseball the last two years in a row. If the Yanks had signed Burnett it would have been dead money, Sabathia 'fraid not.

Now we only need three more pitchers and we'll be able to compete with the Sox and Rays

taltos · 12-10-2008, 01:36 PM

Actually pitching is a spot where we are ok right now. Would like Burnett on a short term deal, 3 years or less. I just think that with the innings pitched the last couple of years and the weight he is carrying, Sabathia is a good candidate for a breakdown in the next couple of years. Lowe was a bit of a head case here in Boston as the team got better and more competitive. Good luck with these guys, the season is more fun when we are in a good race together.

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taltos Really, really old Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Paul Location: Saugus, MA Posts: 2,486 Trading: (3)	Re: Sabathia to the Yankees... probably The Yankees just signed a whole bunch of dead money when Sabathia either eats himself out of the rotation or breaks down in a couple of years. Glad to see the Yankees sign him. Hope that they sign Lowe also and watch him have problems in an east coast pressure cooker as he did in Boston. Pressure and 4am closing times. Great choice.

12-10-2008, 01:36 PM	#7
taltos Really, really old Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Paul Location: Saugus, MA Posts: 2,486 Trading: (3)	Re: Sabathia to the Yankees... probably Actually pitching is a spot where we are ok right now. Would like Burnett on a short term deal, 3 years or less. I just think that with the innings pitched the last couple of years and the weight he is carrying, Sabathia is a good candidate for a breakdown in the next couple of years. Lowe was a bit of a head case here in Boston as the team got better and more competitive. Good luck with these guys, the season is more fun when we are in a good race together.