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[yachties23]

Originally Posted by BORIStheBLADE

Ya I'm not into seeing so many decision fights in a night, but we know GSP can finish fights. I think he just wanted to beat up Josh.

I was very surprised to see Dustin Hazlett get submitted!

GSP doesn't finish fights. He takes zero risks, and I'm tired of hearing at the end of every PPV he headlines "MY goal was to finish him and I fell short" He is as boring a fighter to watch as there is in the UFC. Saturday's jab fest was slightly better than his normal lay and pray tactics. I'm hopeful that he tries that ground and pound crap with shields. Cause over the course of a 5 rounder, he will get caught and subbed.

[goalie204]

Originally Posted by yachties23

GSP doesn't finish fights. He takes zero risks, and I'm tired of hearing at the end of every PPV he headlines "MY goal was to finish him and I fell short" He is as boring a fighter to watch as there is in the UFC. Saturday's jab fest was slightly better than his normal lay and pray tactics. I'm hopeful that he tries that ground and pound crap with shields. Cause over the course of a 5 rounder, he will get caught and subbed.

It was awesome to see GSP pick koscheck apart. Boring implies nothing happened, if you're only interested in KOS or subs go watch kickboxing or a grappling match.

Not sure why you'd hate on him for fighting intelligently.

GSP makes top level fighters look like amateurs, but i guess a casual fan like you just wants to see a knockout. I agree that a knockout is exciting, but seeing someone get picked apart by someone with gsp's skill set is anything but boring IMO

After GSP's "BORING" FIGHTS:

[yachties23]

I'm hating on GSP solely because he is always called a great fighter, which in my own admission I don't doubt, but the man is a hypocrite. Ever listen to a GSP interview after a fight. "My goal was to finish off (insert whomever here)"

I understand the Fitch thing. Dude is a bulldog, and doesn't ever give up, and he has superior Jits, so he wasn't going to finish him at all, but take Saturday as an example. Kos had one eye (no depth perception) for 4 rounds, and instead of trying to accomplish his own admitted goal, he stood, circled and threw jabs. There was almost no attempt to anything but jab.

I don't hate on great fighters or fights. Some of my favorite fights of all time have been 3 or 5 round decisions. What I don't like is when the dominant fighter in his weight class doesn't even try to finish anymore.

As for the Hardy, hes tough, I will agree, but if you watch the footage again the armbar wasn't sinched in perfect, GSP's Jits coach even said as much after the fight. As for the Kimura, its anybodys guess, that was in deep and correctly, maybe Hardy's lack of discipline leads to be impervious to shoulder locks.

[BORIStheBLADE]

Originally Posted by yachties23

I'm hating on GSP solely because he is always called a great fighter, which in my own admission I don't doubt, but the man is a hypocrite. Ever listen to a GSP interview after a fight. "My goal was to finish off (insert whomever here)"

I understand the Fitch thing. Dude is a bulldog, and doesn't ever give up, and he has superior Jits, so he wasn't going to finish him at all, but take Saturday as an example. Kos had one eye (no depth perception) for 4 rounds, and instead of trying to accomplish his own admitted goal, he stood, circled and threw jabs. There was almost no attempt to anything but jab.

I don't hate on great fighters or fights. Some of my favorite fights of all time have been 3 or 5 round decisions. What I don't like is when the dominant fighter in his weight class doesn't even try to finish anymore.

As for the Hardy, hes tough, I will agree, but if you watch the footage again the armbar wasn't sinched in perfect, GSP's Jits coach even said as much after the fight. As for the Kimura, its anybodys guess, that was in deep and correctly, maybe Hardy's lack of discipline leads to be impervious to shoulder locks.

For sure, sometimes it seems as if fighter try to win the rounds and get the decision win. Lately I feel as if UFC has a ton of guys that were wrestlers and woke up one day and decided to be MMA fighters. Get a couple of take downs each round and beat up the guy to get the win.
The last two years I have enjoyed WEC more than UFC because of this.

[yachties23]

Originally Posted by BORIStheBLADE

For sure, sometimes it seems as if fighter try to win the rounds and get the decision win. Lately I feel as if UFC has a ton of guys that were wrestlers and woke up one day and decided to be MMA fighters. Get a couple of take downs each round and beat up the guy to get the win.
The last two years I have enjoyed WEC more than UFC because of this.

Agreed. Lay and pray has become the way to win MMA fights. Which is why I love Fitch. Guy is a superior wrestler, but constantly works beyond ground and pound and is always looking for subs. I think the judging system needs a huge change. IF you take a guy down and do absolutely nothing, don't attempt a sub, don't advance your position beyond guard, and get stood up, the judges shouldn't count the takedown at all. The point is to inflict damage or atleast attempt to finish the fight, and cheesy 3 inch elbows and blocked punches from guard don't really cut it imho.

Kos did beat daly by basically taking him down and not doing much. But he subbed Rumble Johnson, when was the last time GSP finished a fight?

Also, Machida may stand and evade, but lets run down the list of the guys hes flat out KO'd (not just TKO) and its impressive. I seem to remember Rashad Evans buckled over against the cage, and Thiago Silva unconscious after a strike from above.

[Ken]

Originally Posted by yachties23

Lay and pray has become the way to win MMA fights. Which is why I love Fitch.

That statement is just puzzling.

Kos did beat daly by basically taking him down and not doing much. But he subbed Rumble Johnson, when was the last time GSP finished a fight?

GSP has finished half of his fights. And there's a short list of people who have made Penn not answer a bell and quit; GSP stands alone. And the fight before that GSP beat the tar piss out of Serra. He just doesn't have that power KO punch, but usually isn't a big deal because he can control the fight and win via an ass-beating.

Big news and challenges for the Big 'O. Overeem fighting Todd Duffee at Dream Dynamite 2010. What bullshit! Can he fight someone dangerous.

[yachties23]

Originally Posted by Ken

That statement is just puzzling.

GSP has finished half of his fights. And there's a short list of people who have made Penn not answer a bell and quit; GSP stands alone. And the fight before that GSP beat the tar piss out of Serra. He just doesn't have that power KO punch, but usually isn't a big deal because he can control the fight and win via an ass-beating.

Big news and challenges for the Big 'O. Overeem fighting Todd Duffee at Dream Dynamite 2010. What bullshit! Can he fight someone dangerous.

I understand people think Fitch is a lay and pray guy, but I think he tries to sub guys on occasion. With the exception of 2 sub attempts on Dan Hardy, when was the last time GSP was close to finishing a fight?

As for Penn, hes a joke half the time he steps in the cage. Sometimes he trains, other times he could care less. He was out of shape in the second fight and didn't deserve that title shot. A champion of his caliber should finish off lesser opponents, but he never seems to.