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[Curly Cut]

Joe, i agree that when it was "bought" and the name changed, it sucked on many levels. but i don't see how relates to the heart and soul of that pipe forum, which was carried on by those that stayed and still remains to this day.
just because ownership/name changed doesn't mean that the people who remained and continued on with what we started have changed to go along with it.
have you been over there to see just how busy that place is? there are a lot of people over there, much more than when we were there. i posted over there for the first time in probably 2-3 months yesterday.

maybe i was out of the loop at the time of the "sale" because i had already stepped down as a mod there half a year prior, but i wasn't "treated" any differently by anyone over there.

aside from some people who were treated badly, of which i was not one and never gave them a reason to be treated badly, what does that have to do with the level of activity in the pipe forums, the knowledge that is still passed on in a friendly and on-topic manner?

sorry, but i, and the older members that got that area going (yourself included), put a good amount of time in making that place one of the best on the net for pipe discussions. i get pride in knowing that something i had a hand in is now regarding highly enough through the entire pipe community to even be listed in the same question as the like of Tobacco Reviews and Smokers Forums. whether it's now called "p*ff" or "CS", it's still the same people with the same heart and soul.

you think i have any interaction with the current owner? i don't give a rip about him...

again, I wasn't treated poorly, didn't deserve to be, so i wasn't. there is plenty of blame to go around in that entire fiasco (some ppl acted like little children, took their cues from established members who also acted like little children and didn't have anything better to do than to go over there and cause problems - not saying who, cuz i don't give a fVck and have forgotten - and they did their fair share of retaliation and instigation), NONE of which has anything to do with the fact that it is STILL one of the best forums for pipe related discussions.

so, aside from what happened during the buyout/name change, did the pipe forums change along with it? no.
they continue with the foundation we laid down, it continues to grow and is one of the premier spots on the net for pipe discussions, something of which i'm proud of.

if you remove how you were "treated", or anyone that you know, and just look at it from the perspective i mention in the paragraph above, you may feel the same way i do. if you can't put that out of your mind, then i would only expect you to feel disgust when seeing that "name" being portrayed in a positive light.

i put a lot of time into that area, if it were called Nancy's Pipe Blowers now, i wouldn't care. i know what i did in my time there, the pipe forums were a great place to be, helpful, friendly, and it grew and grew... it continues to this day... so if it were still "CS", i'd still feel the same amount of pride when it gets national attention, cuz i know i had a hand in laying the foundation that it is built upon.
if you can't see my stance, there's nothing more i can say to explain it.

[VirtualSmitty]

Originally Posted by Curly Cut

if you remove how you were "treated", or anyone that you know, and just look at it from the perspective i mention in the paragraph above, you may feel the same way i do. if you can't put that out of your mind, then i would only expect you to feel disgust when seeing that "name" being portrayed in a positive light.

i put a lot of time into that area, if it were called Nancy's Pipe Blowers now, i wouldn't care. i know what i did in my time there, the pipe forums were a great place to be, helpful, friendly, and it grew and grew... it continues to this day... so if it were still "CS", i'd still feel the same amount of pride when it gets national attention, cuz i know i had a hand in laying the foundation that it is built upon.
if you can't see my stance, there's nothing more i can say to explain it.

We are going to have to agree to disagree then. It is not the same forum, not everybody who built it up is there anymore (myself included). I think content brings people in, but the people ultimately are what make forums good places. The fact that so many people got miss treated, some had it coming, some didn't, and that the stuff we did is now being used to turn a buck for someone who is an a$$hat of the highest degree does not make me proud at all. You should give a rip about the owner, would you still shop at a store that miss treated you or anybody you knew? I wouldn't, but maybe thats just me.

Premier place for pipe smokers you say? That's great, it fills my heart with joy to know that someone else is making money off all the fun we had there. That certainly captures the spirit of the old forum to a T.

A better question is why come here and stir the pot in the first place? You hardly post here anyways and the board exists as an asylum (excuse the pun) for people who felt wronged by the whole thing in the first place. Do you really think many people here of all places are going to agree with you?

[Curly Cut]

Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty

We are going to have to agree to disagree then. It is not the same forum, not everybody who built it up is there anymore (myself included). I think content brings people in, but the people ultimately are what make forums good places. The fact that so many people got miss treated, some had it coming, some didn't, and that the stuff we did is now being used to turn a buck for someone who is an a$$hat of the highest degree does not make me proud at all. You should give a rip about the owner, would you still shop at a store that miss treated you or anybody you knew? I wouldn't, but maybe thats just me.

the content there still brings people in.
because the owner is an "asshat" who's trying to make a buck doesn't even cross my mind when posting there (which i hadn't for months until yesterday).
how the new owner factors into what you helped build and your ability to be proud of what you did, makes zero sense to me.
is roger staubach still proud of what he did with the Cowboys now that Jerry Jones is the owner and a jagoff? i'm sure he is.

Premier place for pipe smokers you say? That's great, it fills my heart with joy to know that someone else is making money off all the fun we had there. That certainly captures the spirit of the old forum to a T.

do you honestly believe the people who are posting over there are doing it so the owner can make a buck? have you lost your mind?
why are you so hung up on the owner in this discussion and not the point that what you helped build is thought of in such a high regard?
did i say that the current owner and the "spirit" which still remains in the pipe forum are one and the same?? no, i didn't.
you are the one attempting to stir the pot, joe, not me.

A better question is why come here and stir the pot in the first place? You hardly post here anyways and the board exists as an asylum (excuse the pun) for people who felt wronged by the whole thing in the first place. Do you really think many people here of all places are going to agree with you?

i didn't come here to "stir the pot" in the first place, i asked the dude a simple question, wasn't attempting to stir the pot, YOU are by taking offense to a simple post of mine.
i don't give a flyin flip if anyone agrees with me or not - you should know me well enough by now to understand that i won't give a rats ass if anyone agrees with me on anything.
i asked the guy why it was "funny" that they mentioned that place and he gave it a thumbs down. i don't recall that guy giving much input into the pipe forum before the 'sale' anyway... maybe his username was different over there, i don't know, don't really care, was just wanting to know why it's funny to him.

it's obvious that you can't remove from your thought process the "sale" and how some people were treated afterwards from what it is that i'm saying, which is... what we built, laid the foundation for, is still expanding and going strong.
the thought of the new owner making a buck isn't what's crossing my mind when i think of that place, and i really don't care if he does or doesn't make a few pennies on my ramblings about pipe tobacco - that's not why i'm go there (or any other forum). i go there to help newer pipe smokers.

why am i coming here? am i not allowed to come here? is it not a public forum?
why do you come here?
as far as not posting here often, if you check any other forums i am a member of, i haven't posted much of anything for 3+ months until YESTERDAY. been a bit busy, lots going on... i don't see how that should keep me from posting here now, though.

[VirtualSmitty]

Originally Posted by Curly Cut

the content there still brings people in.
because the owner is an "asshat" who's trying to make a buck doesn't even cross my mind when posting there (which i hadn't for months until yesterday).
how the new owner factors into what you helped build and your ability to be proud of what you did, makes zero sense to me.
is roger staubach still proud of what he did with the Cowboys now that Jerry Jones is the owner and a jagoff? i'm sure he is.

I know the content brings people in, thats part of what bothers me. After what happened he wouldn't delete my content, which annoys me to this day. I don't know roger staubach personally, I don't know. On a more personal example, I can say that when I sold my business last year and found out later everyone I knew had been pretty much laid off it did bother me. Needless to say I won't be shopping at the store that bought my place.

Same goes for the other place I guess. Even if I could go back I wouldn't. It's not the same without all the people who made it special. I never really cared about the content, I posted there and called it home cause I liked the crowd. Crowd is different, place is different, ownership is different, not the same anymore.

do you honestly believe the people who are posting over there are doing it so the owner can make a buck? have you lost your mind?
why are you so hung up on the owner in this discussion and not the point that what you helped build is thought of in such a high regard?
did i say that the current owner and the "spirit" which still remains in the pipe forum are one and the same?? no, i didn't.
you are the one attempting to stir the pot, joe, not me.

I didn't say that. I doubt it goes through anyones mind. But it bothers me, which is what I said. And the owner does make a difference to me. I'm glad you don't care, but I do. He miss treated people who are my friends, banned me for a reason i've long since forgotten, and turned that place into some weird ad ridden hybrid.

i didn't come here to "stir the pot" in the first place, i asked the dude a simple question, wasn't attempting to stir the pot, YOU are by taking offense to a simple post of mine.
i don't give a flyin flip if anyone agrees with me or not - you should know me well enough by now to understand that i won't give a rats ass if anyone agrees with me on anything.
i asked the guy why it was "funny" that they mentioned that place and he gave it a thumbs down. i don't recall that guy giving much input into the pipe forum before the 'sale' anyway... maybe his username was different over there, i don't know, don't really care, was just wanting to know why it's funny to him.

When you could have left it there asking why it was funny without going to detail why he was wrong? I'm certainly not the one who opened the pot on this one Greg

it's obvious that you can't remove from your thought process the "sale" and how some people were treated afterwards from what it is that i'm saying, which is... what we built, laid the foundation for, is still expanding and going strong.

Very true. Maybe if things had gone differently or handled better I would still be posting there. But they weren't. And what we laid the foundations for are different in a way I don't like. You may be ok with that, i'm not.

the thought of the new owner making a buck isn't what's crossing my mind when i think of that place, and i really don't care if he does or doesn't make a few pennies on my ramblings about pipe tobacco - that's not why i'm go there (or any other forum). i go there to help newer pipe smokers.

Your a better person than me. I'm sure they attract a lot of new pipe smokers and I hope whatever I might have posted way back when helps someone. But not for me, I hold grudges for a loooong time.

why am i coming here? am i not allowed to come here? is it not a public forum?

We'd be better off if you posted more honestly.

why do you come here?

Because it's not pvff

as far as not posting here often, if you check any other forums i am a member of, i haven't posted much of anything for 3+ months until YESTERDAY. been a bit busy, lots going on... i don't see how that should keep me from posting here now, though.

It shouldn't Greg. But why waste your breath on a topic thats been beat to death. Not everyone likes the other place, many are here exactly because of that, and not everyone agrees with you. The unofficial line he is just to not mention it. It's a sore spot for a lot of us. We could be talking about something more constructive right now, like say pipes, but instead we are too busy disagreeing with each other