Bcs - wtf 2011

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Originally Posted by rizzle

You just weren't paying attention to what I was saying because you were hell bent on trying to yank my chain and somehow paint me, and any other Bama fan, as a bunch of lunatics. which we may very well be, but that's another story all together.

Now that is a real mischaracterization. Where you and I battled most is that I define balance as
offense-defense-special teams, the same definition as the football commentating world. You're
comeback comment was about running and passing, TRUE, one definition of balance, but not where
I was headed EDIT (and certainly not something you could gauge superiority on.)
When you said that my statement was a crock, naturally, I differed, because I feel like special teams
is a gigantic part of the game and is an integral portion of good balance. When I said we were superior
to you in balance, it was easy for anyone to see. IN THAT GAME, We severely out-kicked you
guys in place-kicking and punting. To a smaller degree in that game, but a huge degree over the season,
we also have a Heisman candidate that changed the complexion of games IN SPECIAL TEAMS as well as
on defense. To me that means superior special teams, i.e. superior balance. We both have monumental
running backs, (we have more, but...), we both have superior defenses, and LSU has superior special teams
play IN 2011 at least. What was so difficult to understand about that?
Your respons in the end was basically "whatever". So no I was not trying to paint you all as lunatics.
I was making the valid point that you didn't want to hear anything about you being inferior to LSU in
any way. The loss was still too painful for you to see not just why you lost the game but why you guys
are actually number two in the polls by an admittedly tiny margin. I like Alabama, but the fans of Alabama
REALLY made a poor showing in that thread, because all of you basically reacted the same way. YES I pick
at scabs, Yes I pour salt in the wounds, yes It takes me 40 words to say one word, but I am the nicest guy
in the world on a level field. I give due where it is due and I respect people who can do the same. Me and
Michael (Powers) bet on LSU-UF for years with jabs and pokes for whole seasons and in the end I don't think
he and I are on all that bad of terms. In the end I have no ill thoughts of you at all. I just figured you were
so offended by the presentation that you ignored the facts. I would have to go back and check on what facts
you presented for your argument. I am guessing they were Richardson and Saban based.

[rizzle]

Originally Posted by OLS

Now that is a real mischaracterization. Where you and I battled most is that I define balance as
offense-defense-special teams, the same definition as the football commentating world. You're
comeback comment was about running and passing, TRUE, one definition of balance, but not where
I was headed and certainly not somehting you could gauge superiority on.
When you said that my statement was a crock, naturally, I differed, because I feel like special teams
is a gigantic part of the game and is an integral portion of good balance. When I said we were superior
to you in balance, it was easy for anyone to see. IN THAT GAME, We severely out-kicked you
guys in place-kicking and punting. To a smaller degree in that game, but a huge degree over the season,
we also have a Heisman candidate that changed the complexion of games IN SPECIAL TEAMS as well as
on defense. To me that means superior special teams, i.e. superior balance. We both have monumental
running backs, (we have more, but...), we both have superior defenses, and LSU has superior special teams
play IN 2011 at least. What was so difficult to understand about that?
Your respons in the end was basically "whatever". So no I was not trying to paint you all as lunatics.
I was making the valid point that you didn't want to hear anything about you being inferior to LSU in
any way. The loss was still too painful for you to see not just why you lost the game but why you guys
are actually number two in the polls by an admittedly tiny margin. I like Alabama, but the fans of Alabama
REALLY made a poor showing in that thread, because all of you basically reacted the same way. YES I pick
at scabs, Yes I pour salt in the wounds, yes It takes me 40 words to say one word, but I am the nicest guy
in the world on a level field. I give due where it is due and I respect people who can do the same. Me and
Michael (Powers) bet on LSU-UF for years with jabs and pokes for whole seasons and in the end I don't think
he and I are on all that bad of terms. In the end I have no ill thoughts of you at all. I just figured you were
so offended by the presentation that you ignored the facts.

That kind of sums it all up, doesn't it?

Brad, I have yet to ignore a fact. I presented you with facts. Having better special teams, of which I clearly agree LSU is superior, doesn't make you a more "balanced" team. Obviously it does in your mind. We will obviosuly never agree on that. I would say it makes you a more complete team. Hell, that even sounds better. LSU is clearly better in one of the three phases of the game than Alabama. If that is balance, then so be it. Balance it is. You don't have superior depth, which was a statement you boldy made and bakced up with absolutley nothing.

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Originally Posted by rizzle

That kind of sums it all up, doesn't it?

Brad, I have yet to ignore a fact. I presented you with facts. Having better special teams, of which I clearly agree LSU is superior, doesn't make you a more "balanced" team. Obviously it does in your mind. We will obviosuly never agree on that. I would say it makes you a more complete team. Hell, that even sounds better. LSU is clearly better in one of the three phases of the game than Alabama. If that is balance, then so be it. Balance it is. You don't have superior depth, which was a statement you boldy made and bakced up with absolutley nothing.

Yes I do recall you saying that, sorry, I did not want to paraphrase where I needed to quote.
You saved me the trouble, that IS indeed what you said. Also right in that we will never agree
on it. But what I still can't see is how can you say Complete and adamantly oppose Balanced?
I know that next year you guys have a top kicker inbound, & will be more 'balanced' and a much closer
match to us in that regard, but what does semantics have to do with it if you will admit the idea?
Here is where I do not want you to get offended, but if you were beaten basically by your own weakness in
your "completeness", the kicking game, how could you deny that you were at least semantically "inferior"?
That, then, to me was arguing a point and covering your ears on my points, which is likely where
you got the idea I thought you guys were lunatics..

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You'd have to read what I wrote in the SEC thread to get the total picture, but in a nutshell, and using the 'Kid's'
reasoning to bash with, on paper, Kid states that both teams have 4 top 25 wins. On a actual piece of paper,
Bama has 2 top 25 wins. Those top 25 'week of' stats are written DOWN somewhere, but they are not relevant
to the argument here at season's end. No one in their right mind can call beating Florida in 2011 a top 25 win. I know
that there is a note somehwere on paper that says it is, but it's not. OKSt has 4 top 25 FINAL STANDINGS wins,
Bama has two. It's True, it's just irrelevant. Person says "I have a dog"...no, you have a Chihuahua. Sure, the
DNA says it's a dog, but you and I know it's a rat in a collar.

So yeah, it sounds funny to say that I KNOW LSU would roll right over OK St and not roll right over Bama, but
knowing that does not mean that it is fair to OK St as it stands now. Are the two best teams in the country
poised to play for it all. Yes. But what happens if Bama wins? Is the argument over? For me, yes, I will do as
I promised and congratulate the fans of the winner. But for many people who follow football, it's 1-1.
If OK state is in that game and LSU wins, game over. If OK state wins, game over, same deal. No one can
say $hi+, the best team won. So there are subtelties that tell me the wrong team is in the game against us,
but nothing tells me that the 1 and 2 aren't playing each other.

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To me in the end it's a freak of scheduling. Bama is nearly stuck in that they are playing the teams the conference
SAYS they are going to play. And it is a fluke that suddenly UF is shite and Auburn is coming off a NC season and
is basically stripped and Ole Miss's coach is floating in the bowl and UT can't catch a break. It is also a fluke
that Baylor has a magician playing QB and suddenly Baylor is a good win. But make no mistake, either team's schedule
is tough given full participation by their opponents. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Bama rolled
through weak opposition, so did OK St. Bama did it with what I consider to be superior coaching and players and likely
by bigger numbers, and EASILY more media hype and darling treatment. So what seems clear-cut to the bama fan is not
clear to people on the outside of that bubble.

[E.J.]

^^^ I'll add....that is what we'll agree to disagree on, because I really believe that you would feel shafted....

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I agree a lot with Powers on that one, it is a lot deeper ingrained than most realize, but it is also a LOT like SEC
fans to not be able to see that that is COLLEGE FOOTBALL, not just SEC football. Not for all teams obviously,
some can barely fill a stadium. But in the main, fans are rabid homers everywhere.

I REALLY liked the way Wisconsin looked the other night, that Heisman kid looked like a man among boys
the way he picked his way downfield on what seemed like every down was for 10+ yards. But I would
counsel against people thinking that that kind of business plays down south. I know it sounds homery,
but you get Wisconsin down in the superdome and they get spanked. I have NO IDEA why it plays out the
same everytime, I hate it that we are viewed as so arrogant and so hated because of these annual collapses,
but it happens over and over again. That said, I'd like to see em come in and take a crack, more than a team
I have already beaten in their own place. Beaten is relative in overtime, but come on...at HOME?

And I DO know why it seems we win all the time. I think it is conditioning. When Wisconsin comes in for
spring or fall practice, it is not cold, but it sure ain't HOT. These guys down south dance on the line
between life and death at every practice, and by midseason, they are so well-conditioned to 60 brutal
minutes that I think they just wear down the competition come bowl time.

[E.J.]

^^^...and the loser of that BIG10 Championship game....what BCS game are they going to?

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"Miles goes into the 2011 season with a record at LSU of 62-17, including a 33-15 mark in SEC regular season games.
Miles is the fastest coach in LSU history to reach milestone victories of 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 and 60 games. "

That quote alone precludes Saban from having been that record-holder, so even though I think it is currently
a small diffrential, I believe that Miles is better all around in LSU records and likely had a better record than Saban for
what, "first 4 years at the school" type records. Of course, Saban got to bama in somewhat of a disarray and
Saban left miles a full cupboard. That affected their first year's totals a good bit. But the statement Les can only
win with Saban's recruits has been roundly proven illegitimate as you can very well see. He is about to win his
second Nat. Champ. if you don't mind me saying so. But I have to state for the record in this thread what I have
ALWAYS said, I am not someone who blames Saban for leaving. his average "years at school" is a measly 2.5
over his career. There were some doofus fans that had to throw up a sign that denigrated him on his
return to BR some years back, but Miles is and has been a fan favorite that never gives us any reason to look
back at Saban and think, "if only we had nick saban..."

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by OLS

"Miles goes into the 2011 season with a record at LSU of 62-17, including a 33-15 mark in SEC regular season games.
Miles is the fastest coach in LSU history to reach milestone victories of 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 and 60 games. "

That quote alone precludes Saban from having been that record-holder, so even though I think it is currently
a small diffrential, I believe that Miles is better all around in LSU records and likely had a better record than Saban for
what, "first 4 years at the school" type records. Of course, Saban got to bama in somewhat of a disarray and
Saban left miles a full cupboard. That affected their first year's totals a good bit. But the statement Les can only
win with Saban's recruits has been roundly proven illegitimate as you can very well see. He is about to win his
second Nat. Champ. if you don't mind me saying so. But I have to state for the record in this thread what I have
ALWAYS said, I am not someone who blames Saban for leaving. his average "years at school" is a measly 2.5
over his career. There were some doofus fans that had to throw up a sign that denigrated him on his
return to BR some years back, but Miles is and has been a fan favorite that never gives us any reason to look
back at Saban and think, "if only we had nick saban..."

And yet there were many a public outry to can him after 2009. Go figure.

[rizzle]

Originally Posted by 357

Wait, if you're counting Saban wins don't forget you have to vacate a few for NCAA violations...

Y'all be cheating smack. Love it.

Originally Posted by Stephen

And yet there were many a public outry to can him after 2009. Go figure.

Hold on a cotton picking minute...that's just revisionist history. Go ask any level headed LSU fan. They all loved him from day one. Especially his time management skills

You know, I laugh at him all the time, but he's obviously a good coach. The SEC is better for having him. Just another character to add to the mix. He's like the crazy uncle at Thanksgiving dinner.

[Powers]

Originally Posted by rizzle

You know, I laugh at him all the time, but he's obviously a good coach. The SEC is better for having him. Just another character to add to the mix. He's like the crazy uncle at Thanksgiving dinner.

My sentiments exactly. I admitted I initially thought he was a lucky SOB whose luck would eventually win out, which ironically is what a lot of people thought about Tebow in the NFL. Turns out we're both wrong. Miles, like Tebow, is a winner and no matter how sloppy sometimes.

While I now acknowledge him as an elite coach, I still like to sometimes laugh kindheartedly at his quirks and eccentricities. 'Course I think that's one of my favorite things about meeting and getting to know new people, quirky character traits are what make life fun

(But I he's still the luckiest SOB on the planet for that faked field goal to beat UF in '10 @the Swamp were the holder tossed the ball NO LOOK behind his head to have it bounce PERFECTLY to the kicker in full stride. Trying do that successful again 1 time out of 100. Tiny rant over )

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Originally Posted by Powers

(But I he's still the luckiest SOB on the planet for that faked field goal to beat UF in '10 @the Swamp were the holder tossed the ball NO LOOK behind his head to have it bounce PERFECTLY to the kicker in full stride. Trying do that successful again 1 time out of 100. Tiny rant over )

AH-hahahahahahah, you kill me, Michael. Tiny rant. Priceless. I thought I was seeing things.
That was actually the second time he tried that fake, the first time was FLAWLESS in every way.
Successful both times, btw.

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Originally Posted by Powers

the holder tossed the ball NO LOOK behind his head to have it bounce PERFECTLY to the kicker in full stride. Trying do that successful again 1 time out of 100.

By the way, folks, that's exactly how we are going to beat Alabama next "year", with just
that kind of charmed occurrence. I know going in that bama fans thought this was the year, all
the planets and recruiting had aligned for this one moment in time. But it is actually LSU that is
going to have the meant to be season. LSU wins, bank it. Remember what happened LAST time
I gave out this advice?

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One at a time, lol. YES we anxiously await you guys at the Dome. No doubt gonna be must-see TV for at least
two fan bases....

TWO, what across all TWO teams of his career?? 90-38. Not as good as Saban, but only time will tell.
He has Saban beat %-wise so far over Saban at LSU and certainly at Bama. Where can he go from here?

See?? again with the waiting. i can't believe I have ALL through SHOPPING season, Christmas, NEW YEARS
and being too fat from all of it before I even see a PROMO for this game. RE-tarded.

[357]

Wait, if you're counting Saban wins don't forget you have to vacate a few for NCAA violations...

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Originally Posted by 357

Wait, if you're counting Saban wins don't forget you have to vacate a few for NCAA violations...

nah, we all make mistakes, lol. it would seem to me that it takes the same amount of coaching to win a
game you later vacate as it does to get a regular win.

[357]

More fun for you SEC fanboys...

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...-in-on-the-fun

No football conference has been more successful than the Southeastern Conference -- or as dirty.

While the SEC's run of five consecutive BCS titles and seven national championships in the past 13 seasons is unprecedented in college football, so is the number of major NCAA infractions the league has accumulated.

Since the league expanded to 12 schools for the 1992 season, the SEC's football programs have committed more major infractions than any other conference.

S-E-C! S-E-C!

As part of this five-part CBSSports.com series on cheating in college football, we look at which conferences and schools have cheated the most. Beginning in 1987 -- to coincide with SMU receiving the Death Penalty -- the SEC leads all conferences in major infractions with 13.

Since 1987, 10 of the SEC's 12 football programs have committed major infractions, according to the NCAA. The league's only football programs without a major infraction since 1987 are LSU (its last major infraction came in 1986) and Vanderbilt (which has never had a major infraction).

Alabama and Texas Tech, a former Southwest Conference school and current Big 12 member, have committed the most major infractions since 1987 with three each.

...

I guess they really do believe that if you're not cheating your not trying.

Should I bring up the academic standards (or lack thereof)?

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Originally Posted by 357

More fun for you SEC fanboys...

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...-in-on-the-fun



I guess they really do believe that if you're not cheating your not trying.

Should I bring up the academic standards (or lack thereof)?

OK, hold it now...I think you are in the wrong thread. If you want to bash the SEC,
I invite you to go and do it in the SEC thread. Thanks. No offense, just not here, please.

[E.J.]

Originally Posted by 357

More fun for you SEC fanboys...

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...-in-on-the-fun



I guess they really do believe that if you're not cheating your not trying.

Should I bring up the academic standards (or lack thereof)?

Come on now....that's a low blow. They just really love their football down South, they're born into nurseries painted in school colors and are taught little sayings about their rivals as soon as they're old enough to talk.... They have 9 year old kids that know more about the game than people like myself. It is their culture.... That piggy backs on the academic standards(focus is on SEC...SEC...SEC, not READING....WRITING.....ARITHMETIC....)

$EC....$EC....$EC

(All in good fun kids, if I seriously offend, it was not the intent)