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[Bruins Fan]

I think Brad Childress is on very thin ice? the owner wanted Moss.
If you need a bandwagon jump on ours, the Pats will be very competitive and are getting stronger every week

[shilala]

Originally Posted by Wanger

Moss may have dogged it a few times, but he is also still VERY dangerous as a player, and his presence on the field opens up other areas of the field for other players. Because of the way other teams have to game plan for him and roll coverages his way, and what he does to the defensive alignment, I'll live with him taking some plays off, and maybe resting for the big burst that still has to beat a double team when needed... )

Does anyone remember Randy's "I'll play when I want to play" speech?
That's definitely a very dangerous player. For whatever team he's on.
I'd go so far as to say he's had absolute zero positive impact since he's came to Minnesota. The fact that no one takes him seriously is probably the tipping point in the last four games. The Vikes are thin. If Randy Moss comes in and plays the way he can play, he's a big help to the club. Instead, he comes in and hurts the club by allowing opposing defenses to NOT key on him, which is what happened.
Add to that the locker room cancer he carries with him everywhere, and you've got a guy who is definitely very dangerous.

Originally Posted by shilala

Does anyone remember Randy's "I'll play when I want to play" speech?
That's definitely a very dangerous player. For whatever team he's on.
I'd go so far as to say he's had absolute zero positive impact since he's came to Minnesota. The fact that no one takes him seriously is probably the tipping point in the last four games. The Vikes are thin. If Randy Moss comes in and plays the way he can play, he's a big help to the club. Instead, he comes in and hurts the club by allowing opposing defenses to NOT key on him, which is what happened.
Add to that the locker room cancer he carries with him everywhere, and you've got a guy who is definitely very dangerous.

I do understand what you're saying, as far as questioning his effort, but the defenses HAVE rolled coverage his way. They stack a safety behind the CB on his side. Teams have also had a LB out there to chuck him. If they get him with 1:1 coverage, why wouldn't Favervarevravervarvervarvereva call an audible and have him run a go route right past the DB?

Look at the numbers Harvin has put up since Moss's arrival (receiving and rushing). AP has done well, also, with the D more spread out. Take him off the field, and it's a LOT easier for defenses to game plan and defend against the MN offense. Stack the box, because there is no-one outside to truly worry about.

Just my

[shilala]

Originally Posted by Wanger

I do understand what you're saying, as far as questioning his effort, but the defenses HAVE rolled coverage his way. They stack a safety behind the CB on his side. Teams have also had a LB out there to chuck him. If they get him with 1:1 coverage, why wouldn't Favervarevravervarvervarvereva call an audible and have him run a go route right past the DB?

Look at the numbers Harvin has put up since Moss's arrival (receiving and rushing). AP has done well, also, with the D more spread out. Take him off the field, and it's a LOT easier for defenses to game plan and defend against the MN offense. Stack the box, because there is no-one outside to truly worry about.

Just my

On one level I agree with you, but looking at the whole picture, I think ANY half decent wr would give you as much benefit as Moss. I'd go so far to say that with any other wr, you're likely to win.
Why wouldn't Farve call an audible and have Moss run a route past the db? Because he's pouting and won't hear it, or it's too much effort for him to run a route when it's not "his turn".
Moss didn't get sh1tcanned because he's helping the team. Seriously.
"What he can do" on paper doesn't help unless he brings it to the field.
Imagine what he'd have done for the Vikes if he wasn't such a dick? It makes me sad. I truly fault Moss' play for the Vike's woes since he showed up. Things didn't work out like Childress hoped. It was another Ill-advised move on his part, I think. I'm not sure who's idea the Moss acquisition was, but it smells like a Childress. So I might owe him an apology.

Originally Posted by shilala

On one level I agree with you, but looking at the whole picture, I think ANY half decent wr would give you as much benefit as Moss. I'd go so far to say that with any other wr, you're likely to win.
Why wouldn't Farve call an audible and have Moss run a route past the db? Because he's pouting and won't hear it, or it's too much effort for him to run a route when it's not "his turn".
Moss didn't get sh1tcanned because he's helping the team. Seriously.
"What he can do" on paper doesn't help unless he brings it to the field.
Imagine what he'd have done for the Vikes if he wasn't such a dick? It makes me sad. I truly fault Moss' play for the Vike's woes since he showed up. Things didn't work out like Childress hoped. It was another Ill-advised move on his part, I think. I'm not sure who's idea the Moss acquisition was, but it smells like a Childress. So I might owe him an apology.

Acquisition was Wilf. I don't think that Chilly was ever on board with it. A superstar receiver with a questionable history is NOT something he'd ever go for. He seems to think his SYSTEM is what wins games, not having the more talented players. A couple years ago, he called it a "kick-ass" offense. It's been anything but that. They had opportunities to get a top shelf receiver in the preseason, but never went for one. Then acquiring Moss...they HAD to know what they were getting. Chilly likely never wanted him in the first place, and got rid of him as soon as he could.

And, his impact had not just been on paper. Look at the defensive alignments that we've seen since he was here Safeties were deeper and rolled to Moss's side. Seriously, I've noticed it more. They aren't crowding the box, intent on stopping Peterson only. You think any DB will be scared of Bernard Berrian or Greg Lewis or Hank Baskett? Harvin will now be covered by the #1DB every game, thus ending any mismatch he created before. At the very minimum, having him on the field as a decoy seemed to keep teams honest and from stacking the box against AP. Now, that won't happen. By jettisoning him, and keeping Chilly, this team has essentially thrown the season away. I think it may be in Faevrearvearervarvervarevravervavrer's best interest to leave now, before he gets killed in a lost and meaningless last season.

...and by the way, with the info about the catering incident that's out there now...

I'd eaten at their place (Tinucci's) MANY times growing up. It was decent. Not great, maybe good at best, but not horrendously bad. There was nothing truly special about the food to me. I looked mroe forward to seeing the big sailfish on the wall and spending time with my family than actually eating the food there, honestly.

My opinion on Moss's reaction: VERY poor form. Just walk away and say nothing or that you're not hungry or that the food is not what you want at this point in time. Did that warrant getting put on waivers? Not in my mind. Maybe an internal fine or 1 quarter suspension for "violating team rules" or something like that. Not everyone is going to like every kind of food offered. Just try to be civil about it.

[shilala]

Originally Posted by Wanger

...and by the way, with the info about the catering incident that's out there now...

I'd eaten at their place (Tinucci's) MANY times growing up. It was decent. Not great, maybe good at best, but not horrendously bad. There was nothing truly special about the food to me. I looked mroe forward to seeing the big sailfish on the wall and spending time with my family than actually eating the food there, honestly.

My opinion on Moss's reaction: VERY poor form. Just walk away and say nothing or that you're not hungry or that the food is not what you want at this point in time. Did that warrant getting put on waivers? Not in my mind. Maybe an internal fine or 1 quarter suspension for "violating team rules" or something like that. Not everyone is going to like every kind of food offered. Just try to be civil about it.

I missed that story.
The story I heard that was the straw that broke the camel's back had something to do with Moss stopping his route causing Farve to take the hit in the chin. I don't know if there's any truth to that because there was no downfield film on the play. I never saw anything on sport center or on the web, either.
The media was going pretty easy on Moss as of yesterday, usually they're like sharks. Not sure why they'd lay off him. Maybe they're trying to get some ammo gathered up?

[BlackDog]

Originally Posted by shilala

I missed that story.
The story I heard that was the straw that broke the camel's back had something to do with Moss stopping his route causing Farve to take the hit in the chin. I don't know if there's any truth to that because there was no downfield film on the play. I never saw anything on sport center or on the web, either.

I heard this on the radio this morning, and the suggestion by the sportscaster was that maybe Farve wanted him gone.

[Bunker]

Farve and Childress thought Moss would save their ass and forgot they still had to get him the ball for it to happen. This whole thing is starting to smell, they needed someone to blame their failure on and they chose Randy. My guess is the media is just not taking the bait.

I know I'm likely beating a dead horse here, but here's a take on ESPN that sums up a lot of what I've been saying, in regards to the value he added, not just his actual numbers.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/pos...four-weeks-ago

As a Colt fan, just wanted to throw out a
Big FU!! To Childress now that Moss ismwith the Titans

What a maroon Childress is

Originally Posted by Resipsa

As a Colt fan, just wanted to throw out a
Big FU!! To Childress now that Moss ismwith the Titans

What a maroon Childress is

Preaching to the choir, my friend. LOL

[Kreth]

Ya know, being unemployed, I just may fire off a resume to Minneapolis. The head coach job description mustn't require any special skills...
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Originally Posted by Kreth

Ya know, being unemployed, I just may fire off a resume to Minneapolis. The head coach job description mustn't require any special skills...
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LMAO!!! Seems like it!! Definitely can't include doing research, time management, interpersonal relations, integrity, or attention to details.

[Secret Santa]

Santa says ONE CLAP

[replicant_argent]

Originally Posted by Secret Santa

Santa says ONE CLAP

I watched that and laughed.
I didn't see the meter maid giving one clap though.
Or his dope dealer.
Wait, you can't use your hands to clap when you are bonging up, you might drop it and break it.

[shilala]

Looks like Percy Harvin and Brett Farve don't much care if Randy Moss is gone.
Granted, they played Arizona. I still think Moss hurt them a lot more than he helped. Berrian even caught a few.
I can't talk much sh1t cause I didn't get to see the game yesterday, I was traveling. I was forced to listen to the Cleveland game on the radio.
I still agree that Chilly is not only a douche, but after this week's actions, I think he's mental, too. And he might be a girl.

Originally Posted by shilala

Looks like Percy Harvin and Brett Farve don't much care if Randy Moss is gone.
Granted, they played Arizona. I still think Moss hurt them a lot more than he helped. Berrian even caught a few.
I can't talk much sh1t cause I didn't get to see the game yesterday, I was traveling. I was forced to listen to the Cleveland game on the radio.
I still agree that Chilly is not only a douche, but after this week's actions, I think he's mental, too. And he might be a girl.

LOL Scott...despite the win, I still think that Chilly needs to go.

Berrian FINALLY was able to get open...but as you said, it was the Cardinals. Berrian doubled his output for the entire season yesterday. Harvin played well, and was obviously hobbled on that bad ankle (came up limping a few times). They got AP more involved in the passing game, too. Rice should be back on the field soon, too, but I still think they'd be better if they had Moss out there (though he probably would have caused the fumble that Camarillo did to save a TD and get the ball back). There were signs of life, but it still took an amazing comeback, and putting the game in the hands of Faevarervarvervarevarervarevar to beat AZ in OT...at home. And the defense FINALLY had a sack (6, to be certain). But again, it was AZ. They finally played the way they've been expected to all year at the end of regulation and in OT (three 3-and-out series to end the game).

The real key is if they will bve able to parlay this into a roll. The next 2 games are against the Bears and GB. They will truly be back in the thick of things if they win both of them. Lose one (or both), and they are DONE. A further gap in the division won't be good, and the Saints are seeming to turn it up, making the other wild card more difficult to get. There's hope right now, but not a lot (at least partially because Chilly is still the coach).

[shilala]

Originally Posted by Wanger

LOL Scott...despite the win, I still think that Chilly needs to go.

Berrian FINALLY was able to get open...but as you said, it was the Cardinals. Berrian doubled his output for the entire season yesterday. Harvin played well, and was obviously hobbled on that bad ankle (came up limping a few times). They got AP more involved in the passing game, too. Rice should be back on the field soon, too, but I still think they'd be better if they had Moss out there (though he probably would have caused the fumble that Camarillo did to save a TD and get the ball back). There were signs of life, but it still took an amazing comeback, and putting the game in the hands of Faevarervarvervarevarervarevar to beat AZ in OT...at home. And the defense FINALLY had a sack (6, to be certain). But again, it was AZ. They finally played the way they've been expected to all year at the end of regulation and in OT (three 3-and-out series to end the game).
The real key is if they will bve able to parlay this into a roll. The next 2 games are against the Bears and GB. They will truly be back in the thick of things if they win both of them. Lose one (or both), and they are DONE. A further gap in the division won't be good, and the Saints are seeming to turn it up, making the other wild card more difficult to get. There's hope right now, but not a lot (at least partially because Chilly is still the coach).

I SO wish I'd have seen that game.
They're talking Rice back this week. Hopefully very limited. That should stick a fork in the whole Moss saga. If they had a couple more wins under their belts, they become a super mega bonafide contender.
I'd hate to be in the "watching my team get one more loss and they're done" seat. They're just hitting their stride a couple games too late.
Regardless, there's probably gonna be a couple 8-8 wildcard teams. So there's that.
I'd expect more trouble out of the Bears than the Packers, really. I see the Vikes laying a world-class ass whooping on the Pack next week. 31-10 or so.
From everything I've read, it's gotten real chilly for Chilly. If the team knows he's not getting any love from the front office, they'll play for themselves and win despite him, if you get the kind of mindset change I'm thinking.
Harvin is gonna go monster the next couple games. Moreso in the Green Bay game.
Shilala the Greek has spoken.

[Kreth]

Rice isn't definite for Sunday. Harvin's fighting the migraines again, and a sprained ankle. Asher Allen is questionable with a concussion, and Favre is feeling the effects of his EZ Pass O-line. All we need now is an injury to Jared Allen or one of the Williams "brothers" for the perfect end to this season.
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