Farve vs. Packers

[OLS]

I think it's neato how AP had a hair over 50 yards rushing and Brettski had
about a million passing. Or rather, the Vikes managed to win without a huge
rushing number. It kind of allowed Brett to WIN the game without people saying
that AP won it for him. If he ever needed to prove he could win a
game passing, it was last night. I didn't see the game, too cheap to have
cable, but after hearing the rushing number I thought either he won it or
his defense did.

[King James]

I also thought AP would do all the work and Brett would maybe get one TD pass in the game. Packers have done well the past few years containing Peterson

[JohnnyFlake]

Which other quarterback did you see this past weekend running down the field throwing blocks???

Like I said earlier in this thread:

"Favre is one of the greatest quarterbacks to ever play the game. Yes, he is a bit older than the other quarterbacks out there at this time, but few others are as skilled and even fewer have a true love of the game. His talent and especially his love of the game make him a winner!"

GB made a huge mistake on how they handled Brett Favre, but they don't have the Balls to admit it, so they have done everything they could to make him the bad guy!

BTW, I think Rogers played extremely well last night. In time, he will be one of the greats. His problem right now, is that he thinks he already is!!!

[RevSmoke]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlake

BTW, I think Rogers played extremely well last night. In time, he will be one of the greats. His problem right now, is that he thinks he already is!!!

Where has Rodgers ever made you think that? Of all the people involved in the whole Favre debacle when he un-retired and went to the Jets - up to the interviews with him for this game - Rodgers has been very gracious and tight-lipped (not bashing Brett in any way). He has also been very good to take his lumps and criticisms with good grace and honesty.

I won't bash Favre. I think both sides were handled the whole situation wrongly.

However, if Brett were on the Green Bay side of the ball tonight, I'm not sure he'd be standing. I also think that the dark side that is Brett Favre would have reared the ugly interception head.

It was a fun game to be at.

The Packers lost - Bret didn't beat them. You can blame part of that on coaching and play-calling. If you watched the game, you know what I mean.

[King James]

Originally Posted by RevSmoke

The Packers lost - Bret didn't beat them. You can blame part of that on coaching and play-calling. If you watched the game, you know what I mean.

Although the Packers did miss some opportunities, I think one could argue that Brett beat them (or at least was the main reason for beating the Pack) I mean he did throw 4 TDs and didn't turn the ball over at all (I don't blame him for the botched snap)

[RevSmoke]

Originally Posted by King James

Although the Packers did miss some opportunities, I think one could argue that Brett beat them (or at least was the main reason for beating the Pack) I mean he did throw 4 TDs and didn't turn the ball over at all (I don't blame him for the botched snap)

DId Brett beat them? Packer d-line never pressured him all night. There was shoddy coverage on his receivers.

DId Brett play well? Yes, no doubt about it. But the Packer defense did not perform. Had they sacked him once or twice and this would have been a different game. Had the coverage been better, this was a different game.

If the Packer offense played as well in the first half as they did in the second half, this would have been a different game.

My point? While one man can make a difference in a football game, it is still a team effort. Put Brett in Packer jersey last night and the outcome would have been the same - A Viking victory. At the same time, put Rodgers in a Viking jersey - it it would have maybe been even worse for the Pack. With Brett as a Packer last night, he'd have been a hurting pup.

[King James]

Originally Posted by RevSmoke

DId Brett beat them? Packer d-line never pressured him all night. There was shoddy coverage on his receivers.

DId Brett play well? Yes, no doubt about it. But the Packer defense did not perform. Had they sacked him once or twice and this would have been a different game. Had the coverage been better, this was a different game.

If the Packer offense played as well in the first half as they did in the second half, this would have been a different game.

My point? While one man can make a difference in a football game, it is still a team effort. Put Brett in Packer jersey last night and the outcome would have been the same - A Viking victory. At the same time, put Rodgers in a Viking jersey - it it would have maybe been even worse for the Pack. With Brett as a Packer last night, he'd have been a hurting pup.

Im afraid we will have to agree to disagree.

Brett has an excellent sense of pocket pressure, and even at 40 yrs old has a good ability to move around in the pocket. If Rodgers was the QB for the Vikings, he would have been sacked probably 2-3 times last night when Favre was not.

On the other hand, although the Packers o-line is not the greatest this year.... of all the sacks last night at least 3 were Rodgers fault for not getting rid of the ball. Of the 14 sacks given up to the Vikings, I would say 8 at least are Rodgers own fault... he needs to learn how to get rid of the ball and/or step up in the pocket.

And as far as winning the game, both games this year the packers have contained adrian peterson very well. Last year, if that would have happened the vikings wouldn't have a had a chance. This year w/ Brett @ QB, they can win games when adrian peterson isn't having as good of a night. Yes it is a team effort, but I'm fairly comfortable in saying that the Vikings would not have beaten the Pack this year if Favre wasn't at QB.

And the coverage was actually pretty good last night. But Favre knows those guys and how they cover, and the man can just make throws and see things that other people can not.... slipping the ball in between 2 defenders and throwing when his feet are not set.

[JohnnyFlake]

Originally Posted by RevSmoke

Where has Rodgers ever made you think that? Of all the people involved in the whole Favre debacle when he un-retired and went to the Jets - up to the interviews with him for this game - Rodgers has been very gracious and tight-lipped (not bashing Brett in any way). He has also been very good to take his lumps and criticisms with good grace and honesty.

I won't bash Favre. I think both sides were handled the whole situation wrongly.

However, if Brett were on the Green Bay side of the ball tonight, I'm not sure he'd be standing. I also think that the dark side that is Brett Favre would have reared the ugly interception head.

It was a fun game to be at.

The Packers lost - Bret didn't beat them. You can blame part of that on coaching and play-calling. If you watched the game, you know what I mean.

Rev,

The statement from me that you high-lited was in reference to the game in MN, not this past week-end. Also I never said that Rogers said anything about Brett. Based on comments he made earlier in the year about his ability to play, I stated that in time he would be one of the greats, and that his problem now is that he believes he already is!

I watched the game closely and know exactly what you mean. Personally, I believe no matter who was the quarterback for GB this passed weekend, they would have lost! GB management is so F--- U- over their quarterback situation and the Brett Favre issue, that they have forgotten about the rest of the players & positions!

As far as bad calls, I am referring mostly to MN. The coach had his head up his Ass. If he would have started to pass 2/3 of the time, instead of running up the center somewhere between the tackles 2/3 of the time, MN would have easily had 2 or 3 more TDs!

[RevSmoke]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlake

Rev,

The statement from me that you high-lited was in reference to the game in MN, not this past week-end. Also I never said that Rogers said anything about Brett. Based on comments he made earlier in the year about his ability to play, I stated that in time he would be one of the greats, and that his problem now is that he believes he already is!

And see, I have not heard or seen aything like that out of him. All I have seen, heard, and read is very humble - as he claims, "I'm a work in progress."

I have heard his confidence come around, and it better have, for if you go out there thinking you're no good - then you don't belong on the field.

[Kreth]

Originally Posted by King James

Packers have done well the past few years containing Peterson

Huh? In one of the games last year, he had almost 200 yards against them.
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[King James]

Originally Posted by Kreth

Huh? In one of the games last year, he had almost 200 yards against them.
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I more meant keeping him out of the end zone...although they have held him to 50 yds in 2 of the 5 games they have played (including scoring no touchdowns on the Pack in 2007)

He has never had a multi-touchdown game against GB, and holding that good of a RB who is in the division to less than 1 TD a game is pretty good I think

I'm sure his day to open up on the Pack will come, though. Probably more sooner than later