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icehog3 11-12-2010 10:00 AM

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Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey....the Rocky Road flavor is absolutely delicious.

BigFrank 11-12-2010 10:10 AM

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I just stick with chocolate...ON is a good one. I use Dymatize.

icehog3 11-12-2010 10:30 AM

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Insomnia last night, didn't fall asleep until 5AM after my hockey game....so the gym is a no-go today. I will do a double tomorrow morning before the MoB Herf.

DBall 11-12-2010 11:09 AM

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My new goal is 3 sets of 10 at 115lbs on the bench. Did 9/8/8 today... I should have this in no time. I can't wait for the day when I can walk into the gym, throw a 45 on each side and bust sets of those out... :D

MiamiE 11-12-2010 11:11 AM

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A 45# plate on each side is not that much. You will be there in no time! :tu

DBall 11-12-2010 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MiamiE (Post 1059892)
A 45# plate on each side is not that much. You will be there in no time! :tu

it is when you are 5'9" and weigh 142lbs... hahaha :r

bonjing 11-12-2010 10:48 PM

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jacked up my knee on the treadmill wed night, that kinda ended my work out week. hopefully it'll get better by Monday, thinking the gout is kicking in.

BigFrank 11-13-2010 03:10 PM

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That sucks Greg. Treadmill gives my knees and ankles a fit sometimes. Nothing serious but some joint pain that is for sure. But then again, 260 lbs isn't kind on the joints either.

Back, Shoulders and Biceps on Friday. Nothing special.

icehog3 11-13-2010 03:13 PM

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Started on Glucosamine/Condroiton/MSM and Fish Oil today, my shoulders are just raw lately. :hn

BigFrank 11-13-2010 03:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1060816)
Started on Glucosamine/Condroiton/MSM and Fish Oil today, my shoulders are just raw lately. :hn

Give Universal's Flex a shot Tom. I've been using it for years now. Everything comes in a nice pack and at 24$ for 44 days worth it's decent.

icehog3 11-13-2010 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFrank (Post 1060818)
Give Universal's Flex a shot Tom. I've been using it for years now. Everything comes in a nice pack and at 24$ for 44 days worth it's decent.

Where do you find that at, Frank? Thanks. :)

BigFrank 11-13-2010 04:09 PM

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Where do you normally order from Tom?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/univ/flex.html

That's about as far as I go with joint supplements. Anything more and I'd just be better off buying some Deca... :tu :r

icehog3 11-13-2010 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFrank (Post 1060848)
Where do you normally order from Tom?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/univ/flex.html

That's about as far as I go with joint supplements. Anything more and I'd just be better off buying some Deca... :tu :r

The reviews look great, I will be picking this up Monday...wish I hadn't already opened the $30 bottle of G/C/MSM.

Thank you Frank! :tu

Da Klugs 11-15-2010 07:52 AM

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Same old same old... 105 push-ups this morning. Have 2 months of uninterrupted daily floor pushing now.

Doing 100 reps of various ilk with the 12lb hand weights. About a month into this and it is ... kinda fun. Do them in 5 uninterupted sets of 10 from various angles and positions 2 times a day. Looking for lean strength vs adding mass.

area51 11-15-2010 03:03 PM

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I can't believe I didn't stumble into this thread earlier.

icehog3 11-15-2010 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFrank (Post 1060818)
Give Universal's Flex a shot Tom. I've been using it for years now. Everything comes in a nice pack and at 24$ for 44 days worth it's decent.

Picked up a can and started today...hoping it lives up to the great reviews. :)

BigFrank 11-15-2010 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1062612)
Picked up a can and started today...hoping it lives up to the great reviews. :)

To be honest Tom, I think the joint support combination takes time before it starts to work. I'm not 100% sure exactly why, maybe I'll do some more research later, but it took some time before I started noticing change. Biggest thing I noticed was when I got up in the morning, there was a chinese fire cracker going off down the hall as I limped into the shower.

Busted some easy Squats tonight. Did some leg presses, hammy curls, leg exts, cardo then rolled out. Been feeling a little under the weather lately. Hacking crap up, but no fever so playing it safe for now.

SilverFox 11-15-2010 07:02 PM

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Still hammering away.

Today was my mixed day (hit a little of every muscle) on a 5 day rotation.

I am down 6lbs in just over 2 weeks so I am pretty sure I am keeping my muscle up.

Pull ups (still my least favourite exercise) however my reps are coming up so I guess I am getting better at it.

Also upped my single arm DB rows to 100# (first time ever at that weight) OMFG it is heavy but manage 4 sets 8/9/8/7.

Over all I still have my motivation up, but man results are slow and painful compared to losing weight.

Also have been doing legs as part of the rotation, another thing I never did in the past.........I am sticking to the routine.

Keep hammering it D'Ball hell it wasn't that long ago I was around 115 on my bench and I am nowhere near 5'9 142. It comes up in fits and starts..........I felt I had plateaued forever then it shot up 20lbs in a couple of weeks.

I figured out why my elbows were killing me, it was over extension on my DB flies, corrected my form as well as glucosomine 2 times a day and pain is gone.

icehog3 11-15-2010 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFrank (Post 1062855)
To be honest Tom, I think the joint support combination takes time before it starts to work. I'm not 100% sure exactly why, maybe I'll do some more research later, but it took some time before I started noticing change.

Reading the reviews I figured at least 3 weeks for any noticable results....think it will be longer Frank? I don't care, I will stay with it at least 90 days, but hope to get some results much sooner.

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Originally Posted by BigFrank
Biggest thing I noticed was when I got up in the morning, there was a chinese fire cracker going off down the hall as I limped into the shower.

Not sure what this means, but it doesn't sound good. :r

Patrick B 11-16-2010 01:07 AM

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Backing off the cardio and the super strict diet for a while. It was boring me to death. Upping the protein and concentrating on lifting heavier. I much prefer this type of working out. I feel awesome after a heavy (for me) workout. I'll stick with this through the end of the year and then maybe switch back to a fat-loss program for a while beginning in 2011. As long as I stay around 250 I'll be happy, but I expect some strength and muscle gains as well. I seem to be stuck at this weight and around 26% bodyfat. I'd like to be about 225 and a lot leaner, but we'll worry about that later. I want to pack on some muscle right now.

PeteSB75 11-16-2010 07:10 AM

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Started Frank's four week regimen on bench this morning, so a few warmup sets, then one rep each of 175, 195 and 210, then 175x10. Followed up with arms - curls and dips.

BigFrank 11-16-2010 01:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1062898)
Reading the reviews I figured at least 3 weeks for any noticable results....think it will be longer Frank? I don't care, I will stay with it at least 90 days, but hope to get some results much sooner.



Not sure what this means, but it doesn't sound good. :r

I meant to say there "wasn't" lol

icehog3 11-16-2010 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFrank (Post 1063843)
I meant to say there "wasn't" lol

Whew...I feel better now Frank. :r

area51 11-16-2010 01:34 PM

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I'm doing a 5x5 program so today was

225 bench 5x5
Dips
295 Deads
305 Squats
and 3x8 curls

DBall 11-16-2010 03:10 PM

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Anyone got any program suggestions for me? :)

I fell like I've learned how to do some exercises now and know what amount of weight I can do, but I don't really know what I should be doing, how often I should be doing it, etc.

Also, I have no clue how to do squats or dead lifts, but I could ask the owner and he'd definitely show me.

BigFrank 11-16-2010 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DBall (Post 1063977)
Anyone got any program suggestions for me? :)
I fell like I've learned how to do some exercises now and know what amount of weight I can do, but I don't really know what I should be doing, how often I should be doing it, etc.
Also, I have no clue how to do squats or dead lifts, but I could ask the owner and he'd definitely show me.

Poke around this site for a bit. http://www.exrx.net/
Also check out youtube. Just type in squat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbxxs1PErLQ

For now I would do something simple. Much like area 51 is doing. I'm not a fan of total body workouts for various reasons. I would Squat on Monday 5sets of 5 reps, Bench on Weds, and Deadlift on Friday. Do 2-3 assistance exercises during each training day. If you want to add a 4th day I would do the overhead press.

PeteSB75 11-17-2010 06:25 AM

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Second week of four on squats/deads this morning.

Three warm-up sets on Squat, then 285x1, 310x1, 335x1 285x10. Deads, two warm-up sets, then 275x1, 305x1, 335x1, 300x5 - was running late this morning and failed to bring straps or chalk with me. Got through five with resetting my grip once, but would have needed to do it a second time and my hands were raw. The singles were good though, had good form and good effort throughout.

Looking forward to pushing/pulling more next week. Followed the workout with my normal shake, 2 1/2 scoops 100% whey vanilla, peanut butter, frozen strawberries, flax seeds and milk.

hammondc 11-17-2010 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFrank (Post 1059821)
I just stick with chocolate...ON is a good one. I use Dymatize.

Quick quesiton as I am about to head out for the day and plan on grabbing some protein powder. GNC has a $19.99 sale on some of the protein. Does anyone here recommend any of THESE over Optimum Nutrition?

PeteSB75 11-17-2010 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by hammondc (Post 1064664)
Quick quesiton as I am about to head out for the day and plan on grabbing some protein powder. GNC has a $19.99 sale on some of the protein. Does anyone here recommend any of THESE over Optimum Nutrition?

Never tried most of em. Used to use muscle milk, but it's got way too many calories, and not as good quality protein. Tried a few others, none that I liked as much as the ON. Most of em have lots of crap in them, including most of the ones in that promotion. I tend to shy away from any protein powder with High Fructose Corn Syrup, or with Sucralose or any sugar alcohol.

I just get my ON at the Vitamin Shoppe - They have the 2lb jug for 19.90, or a 5+ lb jug for just over $40. Prices in the store are very similar to online, maybe a buck or two more, without having to pay shipping, or you can just wait for one of the free shipping deals they run every couple of months.

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/...lection=sports

hammondc 11-17-2010 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by PeteSB75 (Post 1064760)
Never tried most of em. Used to use muscle milk, but it's got way too many calories, and not as good quality protein. Tried a few others, none that I liked as much as the ON. Most of em have lots of crap in them, including most of the ones in that promotion. I tend to shy away from any protein powder with High Fructose Corn Syrup, or with Sucralose or any sugar alcohol.

I just get my ON at the Vitamin Shoppe - They have the 2lb jug for 19.90, or a 5+ lb jug for just over $40. Prices in the store are very similar to online, maybe a buck or two more, without having to pay shipping, or you can just wait for one of the free shipping deals they run every couple of months.

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/...lection=sports

ON at vitamin shoppe it is. Thanks!

icehog3 11-17-2010 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by hammondc (Post 1064664)
Does anyone here recommend any of THESE over Optimum Nutrition?

Not a single one of them. ;)

icehog3 11-17-2010 01:25 PM

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New sleep study scheduled for Saturday, might be on CPAP by Sunday....hoping for some increased energy levels and some potential gains down the line.

hscmit 11-17-2010 01:32 PM

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be careful with those protein powders many have recently been found to have large amounts of heavy metals, which are toxic, in them

here is a link to a snapshot the whole article was well done

http://news.injuryboard.com/consumer...oogleid=281896

icehog3 11-17-2010 01:41 PM

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Everybody's gotta die sometime. ;)

mosesbotbol 11-17-2010 01:45 PM

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Anyone take Pregnenolone as a supplement? It’s inexpensive and you’ll notice an increase in testosterone.

**********

from web: Pregnenolone is a naturally occurring metabolite that is made in your body. It is often referred to as the ‘mother steroid compound’ because it is the basic raw material for all steroid hormones in the body. This includes cortisone, Progesterone, estrogen, testosterone and DHEA.

Although it’s the precursor of all steroid hormones, Pregnenolone itself is not a steroid hormone. Instead, Pregnenolone is made from cholesterol in the cells of both the adrenal gland and the central nervous system. Inside each cell there are 1000’s of mitochondria (tiny power plants) and it is inside these mitochondria that Pregnenolone is produced.

Pregnenolone has been studied since the 1940’s. Experiments conducted in the 1940's and 1950's found Pregnenolone could not only increase the productivity levels and reduce the stress of factory workers, but was also an excellent anti-inflammatory medication for conditions such as arthritis and allergies.

PeteSB75 11-17-2010 02:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hscmit (Post 1065002)
be careful with those protein powders many have recently been found to have large amounts of heavy metals, which are toxic, in them

here is a link to a snapshot the whole article was well done

http://news.injuryboard.com/consumer...oogleid=281896

That article has been discussed at length here. Normally I like Consumer Reports, but when they refuse to disclose testing methodology and also use sample sizes that are larger than what 99% of users consume, I really have to question the results. And please, at least make an attempt to differentiate between meal replacement shakes and supplemental shakes.

In any case, if you look at their results, ON 100% Whey was not flagged for anything.

Da Klugs 11-17-2010 02:27 PM

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110 push-ups this morning.

Been supplementing with chocolate chip cookies the past few days. :)

hscmit 11-17-2010 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteSB75 (Post 1065057)
That article has been discussed at length here. Normally I like Consumer Reports, but when they refuse to disclose testing methodology and also use sample sizes that are larger than what 99% of users consume, I really have to question the results. And please, at least make an attempt to differentiate between meal replacement shakes and supplemental shakes.

In any case, if you look at their results, ON 100% Whey was not flagged for anything.



Sorry, wasnt posted to cause a problem, I didnt read far enough back and please dont feel like I want to encourage anyone to do or not do anything they want to their body

icehog3 11-17-2010 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol (Post 1065014)
Anyone take Pregnenolone as a supplement? It’s inexpensive and you’ll notice an increase in testosterone.

Is this something that requires a prescription, Moses?

hammondc 11-17-2010 04:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PeteSB75 (Post 1065057)
That article has been discussed at length here. Normally I like Consumer Reports, but when they refuse to disclose testing methodology and also use sample sizes that are larger than what 99% of users consume, I really have to question the results. And please, at least make an attempt to differentiate between meal replacement shakes and supplemental shakes.

In any case, if you look at their results, ON 100% Whey was not flagged for anything.

I will likely only be doing one serving a day blended with 1% milk and a banana or berries of some sort as a recovery drink. 2 servings MAX if I do a meal replacement which would be infrequently.

hammondc 11-17-2010 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Da Klugs (Post 1065066)
110 push-ups this morning.

Been supplementing with chocolate chip cookies the past few days. :)

I see you keep upping this pushup #. Seems like a good program. Are you doing them all at once or broken up into sets?

BigFrank 11-17-2010 07:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol (Post 1065014)
Anyone take Pregnenolone as a supplement? It’s inexpensive and you’ll notice an increase in testosterone.

**********

from web: Pregnenolone is a naturally occurring metabolite that is made in your body. It is often referred to as the ‘mother steroid compound’ because it is the basic raw material for all steroid hormones in the body. This includes cortisone, Progesterone, estrogen, testosterone and DHEA.

Although it’s the precursor of all steroid hormones, Pregnenolone itself is not a steroid hormone. Instead, Pregnenolone is made from cholesterol in the cells of both the adrenal gland and the central nervous system. Inside each cell there are 1000’s of mitochondria (tiny power plants) and it is inside these mitochondria that Pregnenolone is produced.

Pregnenolone has been studied since the 1940’s. Experiments conducted in the 1940's and 1950's found Pregnenolone could not only increase the productivity levels and reduce the stress of factory workers, but was also an excellent anti-inflammatory medication for conditions such as arthritis and allergies.

To be honest, if I want to go that route I'll just buy the real thing. That why I'm not blowing my money and I know exactly what is going in. Problem is it is the precursor for as stated "cortisone, Progesterone, estrogen, testosterone and DHEA" so...If I'm reading that right the body pretty much gets the raw material and can make what it wants from it...Could be bad could be good. Too risky.

mosesbotbol 11-17-2010 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFrank (Post 1065501)
To be honest, if I want to go that route I'll just buy the real thing.

What's stopping you? That is not to knock Pregnenolone. Anything that prevents inflamation should be consider a plus and that is just one benefit. Pregnenolone is pretty inexpensive, on par with a daily multi or fish oil pill.

mosesbotbol 11-17-2010 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1065160)
Is this something that requires a prescription, Moses?

Not at all. Most online vitamin retailers carry it.

icehog3 11-17-2010 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFrank (Post 1065501)
Problem is it is the precursor for as stated "cortisone, Progesterone, estrogen, testosterone and DHEA" so...If I'm reading that right the body pretty much gets the raw material and can make what it wants from it...Could be bad could be good. Too risky.

Couple quotes from different manufacturer's own descriptions:

Quote:

Pregnenolone is the starting point from which all steroid hormones are manufactured in our bodies. Its conversion in the body follows different pathways, depending on individual needs.
Quote:

Using pregnenolone (PREG) may elevate your DHEA levels, and DHEA can increase estrogen and testosterone levels.

Da Klugs 11-18-2010 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by hammondc (Post 1065201)
I see you keep upping this pushup #. Seems like a good program. Are you doing them all at once or broken up into sets?

Was 80/20 per the below. Started below today.

100 at a blur pace.

10 deep breaths. (ok gasping)

10 full extension with a pause at the bottom.

hammondc 11-18-2010 09:30 AM

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I may jump on board with that. Although, I can only get through about 30-40.

Mugen910 11-18-2010 12:52 PM

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saw this and thought of you gents.


Jack3d for 29.90 shipped anywhere in US
For anyone looking for a fairly decent deal on pre workout products. SimplyCheapSupplements.com is offering Jack3d 8.8oz for 29.90 shipped anywhere in the US. The best price I've seen Jack3d selling for is around 34 shipped to my address.

Here's the link to the product http://simplycheapsupplements.com/Ja...t-Punch-8.8-oz

To get the deal you'll need to use coupon code vivai88 which takes 5% off the price.

P.S. looks like the code works for any product on the site.

icehog3 11-18-2010 01:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 1066350)
saw this and thought of you gents.


Jack3d for 29.90 shipped anywhere in US
For anyone looking for a fairly decent deal on pre workout products. SimplyCheapSupplements.com is offering Jack3d 8.8oz for 29.90 shipped anywhere in the US. The best price I've seen Jack3d selling for is around 34 shipped to my address.

Here's the link to the product http://simplycheapsupplements.com/Ja...t-Punch-8.8-oz

To get the deal you'll need to use coupon code vivai88 which takes 5% off the price.

P.S. looks like the code works for any product on the site.

$24.95 at FitRX, Bao, and they have free shipping promotions all the time if you sign up for their e-mails. :)

http://www.fitrx.com/fitrx/fitrx_res...&i_pagesize=10

mosesbotbol 11-18-2010 02:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 1066350)
saw this and thought of you gents.


[i][b]Jack3d for 29.90 shipped anywhere in US
For anyone looking for a fairly decent deal on pre workout products.

You really find them to be that beneficial vs. just having a coffee before a workout?


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