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I bought the CL package from Bodybuilding.com with the big tub of WF, GM, and PW. I burned through the white flood, still have/use the green mag, and I tossed the last 1/4-1/2 tub of PW because I got tired of making myself feel sick every time I wanted to lift. I figure when finances allow, I'll just get some of ON's BCAA stack, and some beta alanine, and make my own super white-flood.

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what was your ratio when making PW also did you combine it with your PWO shake?

it beats the old VPX NO Shotgun taste :r

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I'd mix 2 scoops of PW with about a pint of water, and give it a good 15 minutes to dissolve, so I'm not drinking wet sand at the end of it. I tried diluting it, and sipping it all the way through the workout, but that just prolonged the agony.

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did you try xtend?

looks like I will be ordering Dren and Blue Gene.:)

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I've never heard of xtend, what is it? Also never heard of Blue Gene.

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Blue Gene has Cissus (from the website)
Cissus is a natural, cutting-edge anti-catabolic compound that has taken the supplement industry by storm. While more research is needed on the exact mechanism of its anti-catabolic activity, we do know that the phytoconstituents are active and effective, improving the support of tendons and ligaments (tendons and ligament function is essential for weightlifting strength and form).

Xtend
had the watermelon flavor many years ago. was good

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So how do you use the xtend? Do you drink pre, post, or during?

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I did it pre and during mostly during though.

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Sorry this is so late, dren is pretty mild as a fat burned, pretty decent appitite supressant. Funny thing is multiple coustomer have sed it makes the mellow/happy...

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WHAT!?!?! Multiple customers who have sex are mellow and happy? SUWEEET!

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I like mellow/happy specially this time of year. think I should give this a shot with Blue Gene?

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Try it let me know...

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will order it today :) and report back how it goes

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ordered and trying this, everything is new to me.
MHP DREN, Controlled Labs Blue Gene, Optimum Melatonin, Olympian Labs Omega-3 Fish Oils.

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perry have you used melatonin before?

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no, here is the link if it was a bad idea to buy it was cheap enough not to use :) http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/melatonin.html

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personally i cant use it, it gives me crazy nightmears...

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I thought melatonin just made you sleepy???

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I heard that about it, tried ALRI Lean Dreams that gave me some "lucid" dreams we will see what this does, if I don't like it I will send it to Dokk :D

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Gerry, just looked over the lean dreams ingredients and it looks like I had melatonin before. didn't remember :bh

Oleamide was the primary reason for trying it :)

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gotcha...

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What's Oleamide?

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http://www.oleamide.com/
http://www.nature.com/bjp/journal/v1.../0705608a.html

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Do you have a link that is written in English?:D

Is it a sleep agent?

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You Bastrad!:r:r:bh

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:salute:

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:tu Sorry, Gerry. Feel free to delete any banter posts I have made in this thread.

Any Ephedra users on here? I hear it's legal again in the US. Anyone know where I can get a supply of Ephedra? I lost 35lbs w/ it. When they outlawed it, I gained back a lot of weight. Ephedra gave me the energy needed to work out and was a great dietary supplement. Or does anyone have any negative comments on Ephedra? Any info is very welcome.

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i dont use it on a regular basis, but when i do use it... i use Vasopro Ephedrine by Mega-Pro International

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Gerry: I use Valerian Root to help me sleep. Works great with no hangover in the morning.:tu

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Found my new home!

Ive used melatonin in the past, also gave me crazy nightmares. I used to take ZMA before bed. It would help me sleep more soundly, but the zinc in it is a natural diuretic and would make me get up 2+ times a night to drain the lil guy.

Zemekone, are you using this thread as a specifically Q&A thread or just workout banter and workouts etc?

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Banter is fine here Frank, we all talk about our daily workouts and such...glad you found our new home.

Tore up back today....put 5 plates on the T-bar, started with 19 reps and kept going until I could only get 10.

Did the same with barbell rows at 225, though I pushed out a final set at 275 to tear it up.

Finished with pull-ups, a couple sets of wide grip pulldowns at 290, and finally repped out a couple sets of cable rows at 240....I am spent!

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Admiral,

Seems like T Bar rows are a staple in your workouts. Any specific reason or thoughts? I have never really done them What do you think the major benefits are?

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I find the narrower (is that a word?) the grip, the more it works the outside of my lats, so I try to do the T-bars to widen out my "V".

....and I like having all the people at the gym stare at me when I throw on 7 plates on a heavy day. ;)

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The answer to you question frank is YES, there was some nothing to do with anything banter going on that I got rid of...

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Just in case my "yes" wasn't good enough. ;) :r

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haha! You should come down here and workout at the fitness and wellness center. The way its set up has a running track around the actual weightroom, its fun to show off to sorostitutes.... I mean sorority girls!:ss

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Sleazy DZs! :r

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Thats odd tom, you find the narrow grip works the outter lats, general thought is narrow grip targets that middle area lower traps. I feel a little stretch in my lats from a narrow grip but I always find my upper back / middle upper (Rhomboid area I guess) to be sore.

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DZ?!?!?! THOSE ARE MY INITIALS WHO YOU CALLIN SLEAZY!:fl:mad::c:bx:bx:bx

HAHA JK:ss Interesting about those T Bars....I was reading and a lot of powerlifters do that to help build big lats.They also do this because they need them to have huge bench numbers, and this is an exercise like you said where you can load up a lot of weight

I think they are interesting because I like to do opposite movements on the same day...I.E Bench press then rows

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Never really seen much as far as close grip t bar rows as per powerlifting. more focus upon wide grip rowing and wide grip pulls. Most emphasis on lats, building stabilizing and explosive power out of the bottom.

But I guess it really depends on hand position on the T bar rows.

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Did chest and back today. And now I know why I hardly ever do chest and back on the same day.

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you guys have to take in coinsideration, that most people dont know how to bench with your back (i mean controlling it down with your lats and exploding with your chest) :hm

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Im with ya 100% Most people dont realize the bench is a whole body lift...Especially for max effort

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Maybe like you said it has to do with hand position and form, Frank...I seem to get more width from the T-bar, and more thickness from the barbell rows.

Dave....DZs, not Dave Z's!! :r

Delta Zetas....dated 3 at the same time in college, and 2 of the 3 were OK with it! :r

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They just thought they were lucky to be with the hog!:ss:r

Had a nice workout today.

First time full flat benching with full range of motion in I dont know how long.

185x5
225x5
275x3
315x3
365x1
385x1
405x1
420x2
225x28
I am happy that I was able to rehab through my shoulder injuries and put up some ok numbers for low reps. This is also pretty early for us. We haven't done a lot of max loading. I contribute this to the mental psyche of having done more weight before and not wanted to look like an ass.

Hope everyone gets a good week of lifting in, and then lots of Rest and Recovery come turkey day!

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Today begins my new workout.... trying to cut off a little fluff. Have a good workout made up, but my problem is the how to eat part... what can I say, I like taco bell! I'm already down like 10-15 lbs from my highest, maybe lose 15-20 more of "fluff" and then gain it back in muscle. I've decided Turkey Day doesn't count though, because I have to eat alot on Thanksgiving!

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Well you are starting to diet in the hardest part of the season. I like taco bell too, when I try to diet instead of cutting it down all together I first start watching the quantity of what I eat at fast food. I stop eating 8 double chz and maybe eat 4... Then when it gets harder I try and gross my self out by thinking about how bad it is for you. It works for me

Good Luck James and have a good turkey day

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Jim, crazy thing is I probably take in less calories on Thanksgiving than most other days....I try not to eat much until dinner, then stuff myself so much in one meal that I don't eat the rest of the night! ;)

Dave, sounds like you are gonna have one helluva max on bench before it is all said and done. :tu