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PeteSB75 03-30-2010 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 810467)
What, no foam roller? ;)

Sounds like a good workout, Pete. :tu

Then I would have been 20 mins late getting out the door to the train... People lining up at my desk when I walk in the door, cat and dogs living together, utter chaos!

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Originally Posted by DBall (Post 810630)
I haven't been to the gym in almost 2 weeks and I can finally move my elbow pain free (well... 90%). This sucks. I mean, I'm glad my elbow doesn't hurt, but I loved going and working out... especially my arms and chest. These seem to be things I can't do without my elbow taking a 2-week-****.

Bah.

The last time I went, the only things I did involving my arms were a couple rows and assisted pull-ups... it seems like anything that involves bending my arm (work out wise) ends up being painful.

Dan, did your PT recommend anything to help with reducing the stress on your elbow? Maybe a sleeve/wrap? Sucks not being able to do much.

icehog3 03-30-2010 10:39 PM

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Tactical Training at work will force me to take Wed. and Thur. off from the gym. First time in a while I will take 2, I know it will be a good thing...because I am still hungry to get in the gym, I should be chomping at the bit by Friday.

Train hard, men! :ze

PeteSB75 03-31-2010 07:05 AM

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Just spin for me this morning.

Just curious Tom, when was the last time you took a week off from the gym?

The Professor 03-31-2010 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by PeteSB75 (Post 811781)
Just spin for me this morning.

Just curious Tom, when was the last time you took a week off from the gym?

I don't know about Tom; but the last time I took a full week off was when I was sick as a dog in the fall -- had the full-blown flu (maybe it was even the Swine). I have only taken time off (greater than two days) due to circumstance (sick, business travel, etc.) and never by simple choice. I've got to at least get in there for some cardio and abs. If I don't go in, my day feels "off" and I obsess a little.

Handled a little weight today -- still nothing that would put pressure on the lower back/hips, though.

Cardio: a couple of miles on the bike to get my HR to 120

Assisted pull-ups: 50 (5 x 10)

HS low-rows: 2p/side x 20, 15, 15, 12

HS high-rows: 2p/side x 15, 12, 10 (I might have done another set of 10, too)

Assisted pull-ups: 30 (3 x 10)

Stretching, foam roller, etc.

Triangle drills: 75 (3 x 25) -- I think this is why my obliques and traps are so sore. :r

Done. :tu

icehog3 03-31-2010 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteSB75 (Post 811781)

Just curious Tom, when was the last time you took a week off from the gym?

Missed about 10 days - 2 weeks when I had the staph infection in my leg back in early December, Pete.

MortonMilo 03-31-2010 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Professor (Post 811862)

Triangle drills: 75 (3 x 25) -- I think this is why my obliques and traps are so sore. :r

Done. :tu

...and what exactly are these....? piqued my interest!

The Professor 03-31-2010 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MortonMilo (Post 812403)
...and what exactly are these....? piqued my interest!

Jiu-jitsu drill. I can't find a good video of it. Basically, you bring your legs up and use your abs to lift your ass off the mat, then you bring your legs into a triangle (bending your knee over the ankle of your other leg), and add a twist so that you're almost on only one shoulder (really one side of your traps). You alternate sides.

I don't know if that makes any sense.... :hm

PeteSB75 04-01-2010 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 812322)
Missed about 10 days - 2 weeks when I had the staph infection in my leg back in early December, Pete.

Gotcha. You don't take a planned week off every few months?

Chest/Arms for me this morning. Bench, Incline DBs, Curls and Dips. Dunno if it's diet changes or maybe not getting enough sleep, but I've not been putting up the weight I expect over the last few workouts.

The Professor 04-01-2010 08:26 AM

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20 minutes of cardio on recumbent bike

100 assisted pulls/chins (50 neutral grip pull-ups; 50 chin-ups)

lots of stretching of my lower back, hips, pelvis

100 triangle drills (4 sets of 25)

10 minutes of walking at 3.3mph and 10% incline

MortonMilo 04-01-2010 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by The Professor (Post 812705)
Jiu-jitsu drill. I can't find a good video of it. Basically, you bring your legs up and use your abs to lift your ass off the mat, then you bring your legs into a triangle (bending your knee over the ankle of your other leg), and add a twist so that you're almost on only one shoulder (really one side of your traps). You alternate sides.

I don't know if that makes any sense.... :hm

I can almost picture it. We'll see if I'm flexible enough to give it a go!

PeteSB75 04-01-2010 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MortonMilo (Post 813149)
I can almost picture it. We'll see if I'm flexible enough to give it a go!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79rrtqN_pME

This might help?

The Professor 04-01-2010 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteSB75 (Post 813277)

That is EXACTLY it. :tu

icehog3 04-01-2010 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteSB75 (Post 812982)
Gotcha. You don't take a planned week off every few months?

Not "planned" per se, Pete, but I do try to train instinctively and listen to my body when it needs a rest. Generally 2 or 3 vacations or travels herfs a year get me those rest weeks by default. :)

PeteSB75 04-01-2010 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 813613)
Not "planned" per se, Pete, but I do try to train instinctively and listen to my body when it needs a rest. Generally 2 or 3 vacations or travels herfs a year get me those rest weeks by default. :)

Sounds like a good reason to me ::ss :ze

icehog3 04-01-2010 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteSB75 (Post 813694)
Sounds like a good reason to me ::ss :ze

The best, Pete. :D

GreekGodX 04-01-2010 05:47 PM

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So lets talk about my new wrist straps. I don't think I'm using them correctly. It doesn't feel like it is helping me grip the weight anymore than I was without them.. The thing is I don't think there is a way to put them on wrong. :confused:

The Professor 04-01-2010 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GreekGodX (Post 813792)
So lets talk about my new wrist straps. I don't think I'm using them correctly. It doesn't feel like it is helping me grip the weight anymore than I was without them.. The thing is I don't think there is a way to put them on wrong. :confused:

Are you wrapping them around the bar tightly?

BigFrank 04-01-2010 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GreekGodX (Post 813792)
So lets talk about my new wrist straps. I don't think I'm using them correctly. It doesn't feel like it is helping me grip the weight anymore than I was without them.. The thing is I don't think there is a way to put them on wrong. :confused:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB4-L...eature=related

BigFrank 04-01-2010 06:46 PM

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Benched my balls off last night
395x5,8
lockouts 565x5

only things of note

MortonMilo 04-01-2010 06:56 PM

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wowthatsalottabench

The Professor 04-02-2010 04:58 PM

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quick morning because I have BJJ tonight.

20 minutes of walking at 10% and 3.4mph. Jogged a minute before cool-down, too ... just because I thought someone was chasing me. ;)

50 (assisted) pull-ups

lots of stretching of my lower back/pelvis/hips

50 triangle drills

icehog3 04-02-2010 05:01 PM

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Feel like my strength is finally starting an upward cycke again...rocked chest today.

Good luck in JJ Dokk.

The Professor 04-02-2010 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 815076)
Feel like my strength is finally starting an upward cycke again...rocked chest today.

Good luck in JJ Dokk.

Good on ya, Admiral. :tu

I noticed today that my the strength in my leg is messed up. I have an appointment with the doc for Monday morning and will hopefully get a lower lumbar or sacral adjustment to fix that. It's the same feeling I had two years ago when I tweaked my back ... except my back is feeling relatively fine right now. Such is life. I'm not too worried about it.

GreekGodX 04-03-2010 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by The Professor (Post 813868)
Are you wrapping them around the bar tightly?

Yea, definitely cutting off some circulation in my hands...

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Originally Posted by BigFrank (Post 813872)

Thanks for the video Frank. I'm doing exactly that. Maybe I just need to trust the straps a little more. It's just frustrating because I know I can lift more, especially on deadlifts.

GreekGodX 04-03-2010 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by The Professor (Post 815078)
Good on ya, Admiral. :tu

I noticed today that my the strength in my leg is messed up. I have an appointment with the doc for Monday morning and will hopefully get a lower lumbar or sacral adjustment to fix that. It's the same feeling I had two years ago when I tweaked my back ... except my back is feeling relatively fine right now. Such is life. I'm not too worried about it.

Good luck, Dokk. Hopefully it is nothing and you can get back under the bar :tu

BigFrank 04-03-2010 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by GreekGodX (Post 815680)
Yea, definitely cutting off some circulation in my hands...
Thanks for the video Frank. I'm doing exactly that. Maybe I just need to trust the straps a little more. It's just frustrating because I know I can lift more, especially on deadlifts.

Deadlifting from the floor with straps is something I wouldn't recommend. I only use straps for rack pulls, rows, etc. That is unless your grip strength is severly underdeveloped or you have some issue (disability) that prevents you from gripping the bar.
One of the main reason I was taught was when you set up for the deadlift, you want to remain tight up top then set up fast then explode. Spending time strapping up on the bar and getting set, takes time you loose the tightness you need and you more often than not do not get your hips low enough, and keep your shoulders back. It ends up turning into a shitty stiff leg deadlift instead.

The Professor 04-03-2010 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GreekGodX (Post 815681)
Good luck, Dokk. Hopefully it is nothing and you can get back under the bar :tu

Thanks. I rolled (BJJ) last night and lost one match from laughing so hard when my opponent (who knew I couldn't hold guard because of my hip) insisted on trying to force himself into my guard. :r I really lost it. :r Everything else in BJJ went well, though ... it's just like I have no strength in my right leg/hip -- like I can't hold it up in the air even for very long.

Regardless, appointment is scheduled with the doc for Monday morning. :tu

The Professor 04-03-2010 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFrank (Post 815702)
Deadlifting from the floor with straps is something I wouldn't recommend. I only use straps for rack pulls, rows, etc. That is unless your grip strength is severly underdeveloped or you have some issue (disability) that prevents you from gripping the bar.
One of the main reason I was taught was when you set up for the deadlift, you want to remain tight up top then set up fast then explode. Spending time strapping up on the bar and getting set, takes time you loose the tightness you need and you more often than not do not get your hips low enough, and keep your shoulders back. It ends up turning into a shitty stiff leg deadlift instead.

Yup -- I've totally had that experience when I used straps to DL. I'm like Frank and only use them on accessory lifts like some rows, shrugs, lockouts, etc.

The Professor 04-03-2010 02:10 PM

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Good time in BJJ today. Started with UNassisted chins 3-4 sets of 5. Not great; but a small victory for me. :D Rolled with a couple of advanced belts and got manhandled ... especially by this big slow guy who is just very deliberate and technical with his movement. After some instruction and drills, rolled with the other new guy and won 4 of 5 rounds. :wo

GreekGodX 04-03-2010 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Professor (Post 815707)
Yup -- I've totally had that experience when I used straps to DL. I'm like Frank and only use them on accessory lifts like some rows, shrugs, lockouts, etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigFrank (Post 815702)
Deadlifting from the floor with straps is something I wouldn't recommend. I only use straps for rack pulls, rows, etc. That is unless your grip strength is severly underdeveloped or you have some issue (disability) that prevents you from gripping the bar.
One of the main reason I was taught was when you set up for the deadlift, you want to remain tight up top then set up fast then explode. Spending time strapping up on the bar and getting set, takes time you loose the tightness you need and you more often than not do not get your hips low enough, and keep your shoulders back. It ends up turning into a shitty stiff leg deadlift instead.

Well even on Bent over rows and rack pulls, the wraps just didn't feel like they were helping me. It felt as if I wasn't even using anything. I'll take a closer look as to how I'm using them.

The Professor 04-03-2010 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GreekGodX (Post 815947)
Well even on Bent over rows and rack pulls, the wraps just didn't feel like they were helping me. It felt as if I wasn't even using anything. I'll take a closer look as to how I'm using them.

how sharp is the knurling on the bar? is it really sharp and sticky or dulled and slick?

icehog3 04-03-2010 03:18 PM

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Nice job on the pull-ups, Dokk. :tu

Had another strong day, went heavy on T-bar rows, heavy on dumbbell rows, moderate on super-wide barbell rows, and finished with some pull ups. I thought of Christos, and never pulled my straps out of the bag....my forearms are wrecked. :)

GreekGodX 04-03-2010 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Professor (Post 815950)
how sharp is the knurling on the bar? is it really sharp and sticky or dulled and slick?

Fairly new bars. Not brand new but they aren't slippery at all.

GreekGodX 04-03-2010 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 815985)
Nice job on the pull-ups, Dokk. :tu

Had another strong day, went heavy on T-bar rows, heavy on dumbbell rows, moderate on super-wide barbell rows, and finished with some pull ups. I thought of Christos, and never pulled my straps out of the bag....my forearms are wrecked. :)

Nice Pops :tu

BigFrank 04-03-2010 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GreekGodX (Post 815947)
Well even on Bent over rows and rack pulls, the wraps just didn't feel like they were helping me. It felt as if I wasn't even using anything. I'll take a closer look as to how I'm using them.

Hard to understand unless I watch you strap in. Straps wont do all of the work for ya. You kind of have to learn how to use them. That kind of sounds weird but it makes sense I suppose. I need a video camera start taping your guys questions like a Q&A LOL...Explaining somethings would be easier if I could show you hahahahha.
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Originally Posted by GreekGodX (Post 815996)
Nice Pops :tu

:r

PeteSB75 04-05-2010 07:16 AM

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I will use straps on deadlifts from the floor if I am planning on repping out a bit with a heavy weight. For a 1 rep lift, there's no need. You should also do a double overhand grip with straps, IMO. The straps fulfill the same purpose as the over/under grip, namely keeping the bar from rolling out of your hands.

Main thing to remember is to pull the bar tighter to your hand than you initially think. You want the strap to take the weight of the bar instead of having it held by your fingers, if that makes any sense. Your hands are effectively there to keep the strap from unwrapping, your wrist is actually holding the weight. Your body won't lift a weight it doesn't think your hands can hold, so if you are too far out on your fingers, you won't feel like you can lift it.

Anyway, went for a nice (4 mile-ish) hike on Saturday and got some lighter deads, squats and abs in yesterday before heading out for Easter dinner.

The Professor 04-05-2010 07:19 AM

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Yesterday was nothing special: 50 assisted chins, 50 assisted pull-ups, a mile on the treadmill (alternating walking and jogging), lots of stretching, and 50 triangle drills.

Today was chest day.

superset of chins, pull-ups, dips, pushups for 2 circuits to start

superset DB flat bench and 20lb medicine ball slams -- 10 reps each for 3 sets

superset of narrow grip barbell flat bench and HS declines -- 8-10 reps each for 3 sets

seated machine flyes -- 3 sets of 8-10 reps

then my partner left and I went back to kick out another 40 reps of assisted pull-ups and chins and hit the treadmill for 10 minutes before leaving

it was an active day, that's for sure. we certainly didn't waste any time at all. even with my additional stuff, I was outta there in about 50 minutes. :tu

head to the doc's today to have him take a look at my sacroiliac, hip, lumbar region, etc. something's not letting my right hip work right. my money is on a sacroiliac problem that needs some joint manipulation. I won't be surprised if he sends me for an MRI, too, though. we'll see....

good lifting to all today! :ze

BigFrank 04-05-2010 06:29 PM

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Squat City
572x3,3
Pulls
off 8 mats 555x2(3rd = miss) off floor then 555 off floor x3

Pulls felt awful. I'm chalking this up to being totally tired from squatting.

PeteSB75 04-06-2010 12:45 PM

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Volume work today. Press, lat pulldown, front/side lat raise, HS rows. Good stuff.

BigFrank 04-06-2010 05:01 PM

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Sore as hell today. I hope everyone else is getting it done. Little less than 5 weeks til the meet. Time to order a new singlet and some ammonia caps!

icehog3 04-06-2010 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFrank (Post 819510)
Sore as hell today. I hope everyone else is getting it done. Little less than 5 weeks til the meet. Time to order a new singlet and some ammonia caps!

You're gonna kick some tail, Frank! :tu

GreekGodX 04-07-2010 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFrank (Post 819510)
Sore as hell today. I hope everyone else is getting it done. Little less than 5 weeks til the meet. Time to order a new singlet and some ammonia caps!

mmmm Ammonia caps :td nothing like breaking one on accident on the car ride to school/work :r

I'll be rooting for ya Frank :wo

PeteSB75 04-08-2010 07:04 AM

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Volume chest and arm work for me this morning. Flat bench, incline bench, hammer curls and dips. Felt pretty low energy when I started, and wasn't sure I would make it through. Trying carb cycling (Tuesday and yesterday were no-carb days), and my energy levels are all over the place. We'll see how it goes.

icehog3 04-08-2010 11:39 PM

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Tore up back yesterday (today).

Bodyweight chins (I died fast) 22, 15, 14, 12 ,11, 11, 10, 9 for total of 100+

Heavy T-bar rows (5 and 6 plates for reps)

Heavy Dumbbell rows (130s for reps)

Super wide pulldowns (stack for reps)

Back is still tight 14 hours later.

Legs and shoulders manana.

PeteSB75 04-10-2010 09:38 PM

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Legs today, dead, squat and some ab work. Have been feeling really heavy lately, not sure if it was just the time off or something else. Anyway, spin tomorrow.

PeteSB75 04-14-2010 09:28 AM

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Forgot to turn my alarm on yesterday, missed the gym in the morning and was too tired by the time I got home. I'll make up for it tomorrow. Spin this morning.

The Professor 04-14-2010 09:38 AM

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been doing pull-ups and/or chins every day. started with 10-8-8 neutral pull-ups without any assistance today ... most I've ever done. followed that with another 50 assisted chins (we don't have just a regular bar to do chins). did a bunch of stretching. my leg was killing me. :(

BigFrank 04-17-2010 10:15 AM

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Sorry havent been keeping you guys posted. Been busy as hell and super tired. Training is getting extremely heavy right now.

Rather then get silly with a ton of posts here will be my last week of training...
Squats 630x2 Bench 445x2,2 Deadlift 600x2,2

Meet is still May 8th. Other than some tendinitis that has been bugging me this last week in my forearm everything is right on track. Skipped a few friday workouts because honestly my workouts Monday and Wednesday have been draining.

My openers for the meet are still up in the air. But they will be safe.
Squat will be mid 500's bench high 300's and deadlift will be high 500's.

On another note. Ordered a singlet and some caps. Turns out Inzer didnt have my singlet in stock which I had to find out by calling them. Which is total bullshit. Possibly the last time I ever order from them...Going to have to rock the navy blue singlet lolz!

My whole crew will be at the meet, including my old lady and tons of friends. Will make sure to take the camera and possibly video camera and get some action on film.

icehog3 04-17-2010 10:19 AM

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Kickin' some major arse, Frank!

I am off the gym for the 3rd day in a row after a freak accident. After repping with 335 on close-grip bench on a smith machine, I didn't rack it properly. As I backed off the bench, it all came down and my right thigh took the brunt. Nothing broken, nothing torn, but still severly swollen, 5 shades of purple and painful to walk on.

Hope to get back to some exercises by Monday.

BigFrank 04-17-2010 10:22 AM

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Sounds like a nasty contusion or something there Tom. Stay away from that death trap Smith Machine. I just hope you don't squat in it...lolololol :r


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