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PeteSB75 06-22-2009 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris. (Post 435378)
I also find it easier to bench with my thumb around the back of the bar along with my fingers, rather than around the opposite sides. This helps me tuck my elbows in and keep my back slightly arched. It has also kept my shoulder from hurting during the press.

My problem there is that would make it too easy to slip off the bar, dropping it onto my chest.

Chris. 06-22-2009 08:14 PM

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It does put a good bit of strain on my knuckles, but there is no fear of it slipping from my palms. it rests well above the wrists. In that video he is lifting with his hands the way I described.

PeteSB75 06-23-2009 06:51 AM

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Good, and extremely tiring workout this morning.

Squatted 315x5 for 3 sets, pressed 130x5/125x5,5 and deaded 275. Tying PRs for all three, but not going any heavier. I was beat enough at the end that I had a tough time getting the plates off the bar on the floor after the dead. Straps made a world of difference with the dead. Much more comfortable being able to do that with a normal grip and not feeling like I was about to drop the bar.

Missed the bottom step on the stairs on my way down from the weight area, messing about with my water bottle and notebook - my normal gym is on three floors. Twisted my knee a bit and landed with my foot sideways. Doesn't seem to be bothering me, aside from some slight soreness. Will see how it feels tomorrow.

nem 06-23-2009 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFrank (Post 435363)
I disagree here, I personally think that using dumbbells offers a reduced range of motion, hence the "less stress on the shoulders" when in fact, the reduced range of motion allows people with poor form, to spare their shoulders i.e. elbows do not pass below bench. Also using Dumbbells forces people to stay close compared to going outrageously wide when barbell benching.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree here. Some people don't go low enough when benching with dumbbells, but likewise, plenty of folks fail to touch their chest when benching with a barbell. The reason I feel that dumbbells facilitate a greater range of motion is because with a barbell, once the bar hits your chest, you aren't going to go any lower. On the other hand, it's possible to lower dumbbells ever further down. I've always felt a greater "stretch" when benching with dumbbells. I agree that keeping the dumbbells close (not using a wide grip) helps to reduce shoulder stress, but more importantly it's being able to grip the dumbbells at a slight angle, which has always felt more natural for me.

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Originally Posted by BigFrank (Post 435363)
Also, one thing I have found with my change from bodybuilding to powerlifting is the focus on a strong upper back. Before, I like many others I had rotator cuff issues and problems with my shoulders. But with my focus ( twice a week now ) on upper back I have found that all pain is gone in rotator cuff and shoulders. Also pain in my elbows has all but gone too. I contribute this totally to hammering my upper back and rear delts like never before. Also, to add another point, I am using weight that I have never used before pushing the bounds of my lifts every week with no issues whatsoever. One would think that by using heavier weight my previous issues would resurface but they have not. Final point, bench better and blast that upper back.

Here is a good article worth reading on the subject.
http://www.elitefts.com/documents/up..._the_bench.htm

Thanks for the advice and link! I definitely agree that working the upper back and lats will increase one's bench. However, I'm unfamiliar with most of the exercises in Wendler's article, so I'll definitely need to give them a try.

BigFrank 06-23-2009 04:41 PM

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pulled tonight

555x5, tired and tired.
pull ups did some reps and sets
rows blah
hammer curls lame.
leg raises, more tiredness

PeteSB75 06-24-2009 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFrank (Post 436836)
pulled tonight

555x5, tired and tired.
pull ups did some reps and sets
rows blah
hammer curls lame.
leg raises, more tiredness

So, I take it you were tired? :ss

The Professor 06-24-2009 08:53 AM

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Took Saturday, Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday off from the gym -- all for travel, except yesterday. I did mow in nasty hot and humid weather on Monday, thought. :r

Was just going to do cardio today; but once I got in there, I decided the cardio was just warmup. I just couldn't resist the weight room's siren song. :ze :D

Did DB flat bench, DB incline, partial triplex, some extra upright rows, and triceps (mostly overhead rope extensions). We'll see what I do tomorrow ... maybe just cardio, maybe not. ;)

icehog3 06-24-2009 08:56 AM

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Oh, the Siren's song.......the real men cannot resist. :tu

The Professor 06-24-2009 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 438017)
Oh, the Siren's song.......the real men cannot resist. :tu

I think that's the first time anyone has EVER inferred that I'm a "real" man. :dance: :r

elderboy02 06-24-2009 09:17 AM

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I worked out on the elliptical yesterday. My boss (who is a physical therapist) showed me an exercise to do to work my upper back and neck.

icehog3 06-24-2009 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Professor (Post 438039)
I think that's the first time anyone has EVER inferred that I'm a "real" man. :dance: :r

With cows for calves, you are definitely a real man, Dokk. :tu

The Professor 06-24-2009 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 438501)
With cows for calves, you are definitely a real man, Dokk. :tu

:wo :wo :wo

PeteSB75 06-25-2009 07:20 AM

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Backed things off a bit this morning, ankle is still bothering me a bit, so I didn't push the weight. Did some squats, bench press, and chin-ups. Worked on my squat depth a bit, as I noticed I've been going to parallel or just above in my work sets, but below parallel in my warmup sets. So I did 275 for 3 sets of 5 (315 is my 5RM). Felt good. Good bench, but I was getting a bit tired. Did 3 sets of 5 chins. Haven't done those in a while. Need to work on them some...

icehog3 06-25-2009 10:04 AM

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Hope the ankle gets better soon, Pete. :tu

Day off for me....hockey tonight though.

King James 06-25-2009 10:36 AM

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Good Shoulder/back day for me this morning

PeteSB75 06-25-2009 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 439844)
Hope the ankle gets better soon, Pete. :tu

Day off for me....hockey tonight though.

Thanks! Have fun checking the other kids into the walls :ss

Starscream 06-25-2009 01:39 PM

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30 min on the elliptical, then back and biceps yesterday. No gym today.

icehog3 06-25-2009 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteSB75 (Post 439935)
Thanks! Have fun checking the other kids into the walls :ss

Men....boards. I'm just sayin', Pete. ;) :r

zonedar 06-25-2009 02:37 PM

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Due to lots of work travel and a float trip (lots of arms chest and back rowing a boat though) hadn't been able to hit the gym as much as I've wanted the past few weeks.

Was able to get a good leg and bicep workout today. Back on schedule I hope.

Starscream 06-28-2009 02:21 PM

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How did this thread fall off the first page?!?
Bump.



Chest and triceps today.
I also played around a little bit too with biceps (machine curls: 3 sets of 10 at 35lbs) and calf raises (3 sets at 270).
Was worn out afterwards, so I cut back my cardio to 15min. on the elliptical machine.
Can't wait till tomorrow: leg day.


I've been hitting the gym for a month now, so my insecurities have worn off (not completely though). Don't feel nearly as awkward working out alone in front of lots of people as I did.:tu

zonedar 06-28-2009 04:38 PM

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Chest and Tri's for me too. Definitely felt not being in the gym regularly of late.

catfish2 06-28-2009 05:43 PM

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I had a real good chest/tri day on thursday, and a good shoulders/leg day today. Lately sometimes I have to really focus to stay on track.

Starscream 06-28-2009 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by zonedar (Post 443947)
Chest and Tri's for me too. Definitely felt not being in the gym regularly of late.

Chest was ok, but my triceps are sore for not working them the last workout like I should.
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Originally Posted by catfish2 (Post 443993)
I had a real good chest/tri day on thursday, and a good shoulders/leg day today. Lately sometimes I have to really focus to stay on track.

Shoulders/legs for me tomorrow.

catfish2 06-28-2009 06:10 PM

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I'll be workin' all day tomarrow.

Starscream 06-29-2009 02:51 PM

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Killed my legs today!

BigFrank 06-29-2009 04:56 PM

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nailed 435x3 bench
pete Im sorry ive been slacking, gonna get u this week. I hope.
4sets of slackers for 15

Starscream 06-29-2009 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFrank (Post 445262)
nailed 435x3 bench
pete Im sorry ive been slacking, gonna get u this week. I hope.
4sets of slackers for 15

Triple H does reps of 400. You are the man, Frank!
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Originally Posted by andysutherland (Post 445120)
Killed my legs today!

I've been doing 3 ssets of 10 squats at around 90lbs, but today I did 3 sets of 10 at 270.
Leg press at 270 too. Calf raises the same at 300.

I'm gaining fast on leg days, not so much on upper body days.


I guess that's why I love leg days.

I'm a friggin' weakling with my upper body.

King James 06-30-2009 07:31 AM

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chest/tris day in about an hour

PeteSB75 06-30-2009 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFrank (Post 445262)
nailed 435x3 bench
pete Im sorry ive been slacking, gonna get u this week. I hope.
4sets of slackers for 15

No worries, man.

Dunno what has been up with me lately. Not been feeling it. Anyway, ok workout this morning, squats, press and dead (285x5 new PR). I need to work on my squat depth. I have a tendency to not go quite as far on the heavier sets. I think it's all in my head.

BigFrank 06-30-2009 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteSB75 (Post 446172)
No worries, man.

Dunno what has been up with me lately. Not been feeling it. Anyway, ok workout this morning, squats, press and dead (285x5 new PR). I need to work on my squat depth. I have a tendency to not go quite as far on the heavier sets. I think it's all in my head.

Time to change it up. Maybe 3x a week; back chest legs?
Try box squats until you get 100% comfortable hitting depth.

PeteSB75 07-01-2009 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFrank (Post 446461)
Time to change it up. Maybe 3x a week; back chest legs?
Try box squats until you get 100% comfortable hitting depth.

It's all in my head I think. I can do full depth with no problems at 275, but I hesitate going all the way down at 315. I've dumped the bar off onto the rack before when I couldn't get out of the full squat and was no worse off for it. Think I'll try working up from 275 again, at full depth.

BigFrank 07-01-2009 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteSB75 (Post 447397)
It's all in my head I think. I can do full depth with no problems at 275, but I hesitate going all the way down at 315. I've dumped the bar off onto the rack before when I couldn't get out of the full squat and was no worse off for it. Think I'll try working up from 275 again, at full depth.

I would definitely do some box squats then. This was my biggest issue when dealing with heavy weights.

The Professor 07-02-2009 07:17 AM

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I loaded and unloaded 14,000 pounds (each time) of my household contents this week. Does that count for anything? :r

Looking to start at a local gym next week -- probably the campus one. :hm

Kepp up the good work, folks! :ze

PeteSB75 07-02-2009 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFrank (Post 447853)
I would definitely do some box squats then. This was my biggest issue when dealing with heavy weights.

Hmm, I'll have to see what is available as far as boxes go at my gym...

Chris. 07-02-2009 09:56 AM

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you can just use a flat bench instead of a box.

PeteSB75 07-02-2009 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris. (Post 448873)
you can just use a flat bench instead of a box.

Yeah, was thinking I'd grab one of the smith machine benches or maybe a chair.

PeteSB75 07-03-2009 07:51 AM

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Felt pretty good this morning. Didn't push weight on anything, just worked my sets and did good depth on my squats. I'm adjusting my form a little on my bench, so focused on that. Finished off with some rows.

catfish2 07-04-2009 01:20 PM

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Man my pecs and tris are trashed. I had what I call a mixed -up day today. That's where I do all my exercises completely different. Standing exercises are done sitting. Sitting exercises are done lying down. I mix the exercises up any way that I can think of, I'll do stuff upside down on my head if I have to. This hits the muscles from different angles from normal. My arms are tired now, I can't wait to see how they'll feel tomorrow.

PeteSB75 07-07-2009 07:02 AM

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Good workout this morning. Squats, focusing on depth again, so not pushing the weight. Then some presses and deads. Tied PR on the press, and new PR on the dead (295x3)

trader1974 07-07-2009 08:19 AM

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Woke up late, made myself go to the gym anyway. Glad I did, as always, felt good working on chest. Pushing my flat bench back up got 235x8, 255x4 and 275x1. Put in a decent run on the treadmill also, nice way to start the day!:)

icehog3 07-07-2009 08:42 AM

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Last two workouts today and tomorrow before I take 4 days off for SoCal. Gonna hit it hard.

GreekGodX 07-07-2009 01:35 PM

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Anybody do fasting cardio?? What are some opinions?? I've done some research on the topic and I'm thinking the risks of it outweigh potential benefits(if any). Anyone use fasting cardio and seen better results in fat loss over eating before doing cardio?

PeteSB75 07-08-2009 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by GreekGodX (Post 454463)
Anybody do fasting cardio?? What are some opinions?? I've done some research on the topic and I'm thinking the risks of it outweigh potential benefits(if any). Anyone use fasting cardio and seen better results in fat loss over eating before doing cardio?

If fat loss is your primary goal, lifting is substantially more effective than cardio. Lifting, your exercise burns calories and increases your ability to burn calories, and increases your BMR all at once. Cardio alone burns calories, but only for that day. When I was losing weight, I would lift and then go walk on the treadmill for 20 minutes after. I did no other cardio, just made sure I got to the gym 4-5 days a week and ate good food throughout the day so I wasn't hungry when I got home.

GreekGodX 07-08-2009 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by PeteSB75 (Post 455402)
If fat loss is your primary goal, lifting is substantially more effective than cardio. Lifting, your exercise burns calories and increases your ability to burn calories, and increases your BMR all at once. Cardio alone burns calories, but only for that day. When I was losing weight, I would lift and then go walk on the treadmill for 20 minutes after. I did no other cardio, just made sure I got to the gym 4-5 days a week and ate good food throughout the day so I wasn't hungry when I got home.

Thanks for the input, but fat loss isn't my primary goal.. My primary goal is to gain muscle but I do not want to completely cut out cardio. I'm following the Dogcrapp philosophies and part of it is to do fasting, low intensity cardio. I want to burn excess fat without losing any muscle mass. Theory behind fasting cardio is that by putting your body in a fasting state the primary fuel will be fat and ketone bodies, rather then glucose. I just question the effectiveness considering your body needs more then 12 hours of fasting to reach a state where it is only using fat and ketone bodies as energy.

trader1974 07-08-2009 10:01 AM

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Hit back and biceps this morn. Then a short run to top it off.:tu

Starscream 07-08-2009 10:02 AM

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I haven't been to the gym in 8 days. One of the only drawbacks about vacation. Hopefully I'll get in there tomorrow to work on chest and triceps.

BigFrank 07-08-2009 02:07 PM

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Been doing more conditioning work last two weeks. Missed 615 for deadlift last night, tried it again and missed. Going to chalk that one up to a messed up weekend and crappy last two days.
Hope you guys are doing better than myself.

icehog3 07-08-2009 08:21 PM

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Pull that 615 next time, Frank! :tu :ze

Last workout today before SoCal and 4 days off....my body will need massive detoxification when I return!

PeteSB75 07-09-2009 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 456407)
Pull that 615 next time, Frank! :tu :ze

Last workout today before SoCal and 4 days off....my body will need massive detoxification when I return!

Try some green vibrance, Tom. It's cleaning the hell out of me right now...

PeteSB75 07-09-2009 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by GreekGodX (Post 455555)
Thanks for the input, but fat loss isn't my primary goal.. My primary goal is to gain muscle but I do not want to completely cut out cardio. I'm following the Dogcrapp philosophies and part of it is to do fasting, low intensity cardio. I want to burn excess fat without losing any muscle mass. Theory behind fasting cardio is that by putting your body in a fasting state the primary fuel will be fat and ketone bodies, rather then glucose. I just question the effectiveness considering your body needs more then 12 hours of fasting to reach a state where it is only using fat and ketone bodies as energy.

Let us know how it works out for you. The sort of results that have been reported on that website really make me question what sorts of chemicals are involved with that method.


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