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:r

I hear that, especially stuff like Tree.
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:r:r:r

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Ok gents, I think I'm down for starting up Atkins tomorrow. I already have 9 racks of baby backs sitting out of the freezer to fire up in the smoker tomorrow. :tu Don't even want to step on the scale tomorrow, but I guess I'll just hafta do it.

Talking with my nurse practitioner at school about the binge eating of sorts over the years and one thing she suggested doing was a food journal (which we've all done), but also including emotion/state of mind into it. It will help you identify patterns of what types of foods you are using for coping/soothing of sorts rather than eating what you need to get by.

Something else she mentioned was that a McD's happy meal today was the equivalent of the adult servings something like 50 years ago. Look forward to today where a big mac combo with large fries/drink sets you back 1350 calories compared to the happy meal at 640 calories.

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no sauce on the ribs cuz bbq sauce has tonnes of sugar if you're starting atkins :P

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I know-you also have to watch the rubs because a lot of them will use sugar as well. Although sauce makes it even more da bomb, I'm content eating smoked ribs/pulled pork without any sauce. :tu

This probably won't be my long term plan though-probably will switch to weight watchers after I get through a huge supply of pork that's in the freezer now to make more room for fish/chicken.

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You could always do both. Just be ready for the new points plus system which is ok, but I'm still not liking it as much as the old way.

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I did WW back in 2002 and really liked their point system then. Today, not so much. They have to change it all of the time though-it's marketing to help them gain more members.

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I thought this was the first change they made (other than fiber) to the system in forever.

They took calories out of the points equation all together, and most fruit and green veggies are all zero points no matter how much you eat.

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I think it's a major flaw though-look at how many carbs/calories you could eat in your diet though. It's obviously healthier food as a whole, but it still goes back to the whole calories in must be lower than calories out to lose weight.

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Yep. I could eat 70 apples in one day (probably not possible) and still be at zero points. I'm still using my WW online tracker, but I'm also keeping track of carb, fat, and protein over at nutrimirror.

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If anyone knows about Atkins, do I have to count zero carb diet drinks into a carb count? Just asking cuz 1 packet of splenda is considered 1 g of carbs, but I'm not really finding anything on counting artificial sweeteners in diet drinks. I'm probably going to cut out the coffee entirely and rely on stuff like Coke Zero for my caffeine as I have to have it (especially as a nursing student). :D

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I haven't counted any artificial sweetners. I take about 9 a day with all the coffee I drink. Should I be counting these?

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This is why I'm a little curious...from the Atkins site below. Am I to conclude a diet drink like Diet Rite that contains splenda would count towards my carb count and aspartame sweetened drinks wouldn't?

Artificial Sweeteners

* Splenda – one packet equals 1 gram of net carbs

Beverages

* Clear broth/ bouillon (make sure it has no sugars added)
* Club soda
* Cream, heavy or light.
* Decaffeinated or regular coffee and tea*
* Diet soda (be sure to note the carb count)
* Flavored seltzer (must say no calories)
* Herb tea (without added barley or fruit sugar added)
* Water – at least eight 8-ounce glasses per day including...
o Filtered water
o Mineral water
o Spring water
o Tap water

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My husband has be be careful of what artificial sweeteners he uses. It raises his blood sugar. So I am sure there is something to it.

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I use Sweet n Low or generic pink packets normally, Laura. Splenda on occasion. Either of those raise blood sugar? Splenda is made with some sort of sugar, isn't it?

I'll have to check into it, or maybe Myles can ring in with an answer.

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One has carbs, the other has cancer.:r

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nope

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What does that mean?

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Down 4 lbs today! Long way to go, but I'm at least headed in the right direction!

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Weighed in at 230.2 this morning. I weighed myself again after a cup of coffee and a dump and was at 230.0 The weight has been coming off at about 1.5-2 pounds a week which is exactly what is supposed to happen, I just want so see that thing read in the 220s

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Very nice Hugh and Derrick :tu

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I believe he means there's been a number of studies that prove the burning of more calories than you take in won't necessarily result in weight loss.

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:tpd:

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A low carb/high fat weight loss program is more about controlling insulin levels than is is about the old calorie in/calorie out thought. Do a quick search about insulin levels and weight loss.

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Congrats Hugh and Derrick!:wo



As far as the discussion Duane and I were having, it was in relation to flaws with the new WW and their new Points Plus foods. Yes, calories in, calories out is flawed depending on what you eat, but you can't eat 60,000 calories and expect to lose weight. That is what we were talking about with the zero points foods, such as apples. You can't expect to eat 70 apples a day and expect to lose weight, even if your points total for the day would be zero. I think everyone is taking it out of context here.

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Bottom line is: less calories than calories burned by body daily = weight loss. There is no getting around this fact. Witness the guy that lost weight eating nothing but Twinkies. A healthy diet and a weight loss diet aren't necessarily the same thing. To lose weight "all" you need to do is get into a caloric deficit state. It's as simple and hard as that. Eating lotsa fruit might be somewhat healthy, but alas fruit does have calories so see point one. There is actually a very good book that explains all this: The Anderson Method - The Secret to Permanent Weight Loss http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1935097288. I needed the idiot proof Medifast Method as my crutch. I've been trying on my own for decades w/o real success, hopefully I have finally found it.

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That theory can be flawed depending on what you eat and how each individual body responds to it, but for the most part, yes it is correct.:tu


I also agree that every one is different. What works for some, doesn't work for others. Our bodies are all different, and we all have different lifestyles. There's no one method that works for everyone. That's why our society has millions of different diets and lifestyle change programs. It's all about finding out which one works best for you and sticking with it.

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Anyone heard from Kirk lately?

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Sorry, this is not a scientific fact, and like andy said, everyone is different.

have a read of these two books:

http://www.amazon.com/Good-Calories-.../dp/1400040787

http://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Get-Fat...ref=pd_sim_b_1

Calorie-restricted diets work because they inadvertently cut carbohydrates. But they also starve you and your body compensates by making you hungry. You'll stay hungry for years until your body gets what it wants- the calories to replace what it lost. Just like everything else in your body fat growth is regulated by growth hormones, not calories. The growth hormone that regulates fat is called insulin (maybe you've heard of it :P), and it's production is triggered by eating carbohydrates, not fat. You can eat as much fat as you like and so long as your insulin levels are low you won't gain weight because your body has no signal to. That's why a lion can eat half an antelope and not get fat but a house cat on kibble seems to gain weight no matter what you do. Kibble has carbs. An antelope doesn't. To think otherwise would be like asking why you don't get taller when you eat more. The answer to that is obvious and the answer to horizontal weight gain is exactly the same. Weirdly, no one likes to put 2-and-2 together on that one. I guess it's just easier tot think that you get fat by being lazy and eating too much, not due to some complicated hormonal dance. To make matters worse being lazy and eating too much really does make you gain weight, but it's just not for the reason people think it does.

^ Copy/pasted from an article i was reading, but says what i would have typed pretty much, in different words

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Happy Birthday Myles!


Any thoughts on carbs and artificial sweetners? We were hoping you could weigh in on this matter.

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TY Andy :)

I eat them, they dont have carbs, but i just dont go crazy on them, maybe a diet soda once a week, or some sugar free jello here and there, but i dont eat that much of it.

Here, again copy/pasted:

For some folks artificial sweeteners and regular sugar can trigger something called the "cephalic phase insulin response". Basically, the sweet taste alone will cause you to release insulin. The insulin will grab any bit of sugar you might have floating around in your blood. When you blood sugar dips below a certain point, it triggers your brain to feel hunger or cravings.

This is results in a vicious cycle: the more you eat or drink of the artificial sweetener the more insulin you'll release so the hungrier you'll feel and the more you'll want/need to eat. That's why some people can't stop drinking can after can of diet soda: satisfying their sweet tooth only makes them want more. This can happen with any artificial sweetener.

http://bestlowcarbs.com/article1082.html
http://www.extique.com/askrob5-3.htm

This is why the ADBB moderators and old-timers strongly advise everyone to kill that sweet tooth during Induction. Starve that sweet tooth and you'll be in control of the food, rather than the food be in control of you.

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I don't really mess with diet drinks. My artificial sweetner source is limited to coffee every day. I average three cups in the morning (about six packets of sweetner), and maybe some in the afternoon (once in a while).

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Not necessarily. I've never starved myself before on calorie restricted diets. It's all about how you use those calories. As a matter of fact, I'm still using WW, which is a calorie restricted plan, and I have started cutting carbs over the last day or so. I've been stuffed to the gills for two days and I've yet to eat above 1500 calories. I haven't even gotten halfway to my daily allowance and I've been stuffed.

Sounds good in theory, but a lion doesn't eat half an antelope every day. That antelope will fuel the lion for quite a while. I agree that the cat eating high carb meals everyday then sitting around doing nothing makes it fat.



I agree with the rest of your post.:tu
Calories in/calories out works if you do it right. For many people, not everyone.:tu

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I wasn't referring to Atkins in terms of calories in < calories out for weight loss. I was simply referring to a diet such as Weight Watchers.

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Got ya covered, Duane.;) It's all good. No harm no foul.
How's it going today, brother?

I just finished an hour on the Wii Fit. Running, Strength training, Yoga, Hula Hoop.

After my warm-up, I like to start with advanced step. Then I mix it up between running, biking, super hula hoop, and rhythm boxing. Sometimes I throw in obstacle course, too.
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I ended up delaying my start date until tomorrow. My wife insisted I take her to a very delicious chinese buffet that has sushi and lots of other goodies, so I went there kicking and screaming along the way. ;)

I have 9 racks of baby back ribs prepped to go on the smoker tomorrow and will try to limit myself to maybe 1/3 rack of ribs for a meal and then find a leaner option like fish/chicken for another meal to keep the calories from getting outrageous.

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the biggest thing is that everyone is different. Some people can lose weight cutting carbs, some can't lose weight unless they cut ALL carbs. Some can lose weight lowering fat, some do this and are hungry all the time, or feel weak. Key: everyone is different, and we all have to find what works best for us, i think we can all agree on this :)

The most important part of losing wait is sustainability. If you can cut fat and calories and lose weight, and remain at the energy level you need to be at, remain happy, and not feel deprived, then that is awesome! Me personally, the low carb thing has been working for me for almost 2 months, and this is the longest i've been able to stick to a plan and not falter. I'm never hungry, and most importantly for a compulsive like myself - NO CRAVINGS for sugary badness :) EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT! :)

Birthday dinner was amazing, went to my folks place (which i WANTED to do) - we had oysters and caviar, then lobster and steak and salad. 10/10 :)

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I'm jealous, Myles. I love oysters, lobster, and steak.:dr

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Just make sure you start tomorrow.:su




:D

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I'm still hanging right at 204. I've been working about 14 hours a day on this deck and I'm getting obviously more muscular. It's getting easier to drag myself around, too.
I haven't been eating any more than usual, my portions are right on target. I've been eating a sandwich at lunch which I seldom do, then make sure I have dinner. Last night I had a couple piecesof pizza and some leftover spaghetti.
It's odd that a change in activity would stall my weight loss, but I'm perfectly okay with it, I'm getting healthier.
I gotta get to work. :tu

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Ok, first day of Atkins and my weigh in was at 229.2. I figured I would be at 235 the way I've eaten since my last diet "attempt".

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Healthier is what really matters. Keep it up! We want to see that deck completed.

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:noon

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I had my weigh in today.
264.2, down another two pounds.
However, I don't think I'll make my goal.
I'll be close but short.
My next goal is 250 by Labor day.
If I stay the course that should be an easy one.

Had no energy yesterday.
Woke at 7 ate breakfast, back to bed at 10.
Woke at 12:30 ate lunch, back to bed at 3.
Woke at 5:30 ate dinner, smoked a cigar, back to bed at 11.
It was a great day! :D

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260.5 this morning pre-workout. My next goal on WFP is 256 by Tuesday. It's gonna be close.
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225.6 yesterday morning for my official weigh-in, 225.2 this morning. I was surprised at yesterday's number after being in KC this past week. Had BBQ twice for dinner, fried chicken another, then a 5 Guys burger for lunch of Friday.

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Here's another recipe that's pretty quick/easy. This made 3 servings.

Thai Chicken Sausage w/Noodles

1 cup (dry) pasta, doesn't matter what type, I used rotini
1lb spicy chicken sausage, 4 links whole
1tbsp olive oil
3.5 oz onions coarsely chopped
3.5 oz red bell pepper coarsely chopped
6 cloves garlic, minced
1 tbsp fish sauce
juice of one small lime
2/3C coconut milk
red pepper flakes, to taste
cilantro leaves

Cook pasta per instructions on box, drain and set aside. In a large pan over med-high heat, brown sausage links on all sides, about 7-8 mins. Use a bit of olive oil if needed to keep from sticking. Don't worry about cooking sausage all the way through as it'll finish cooking later. Remove sausage and slice into 1" pieces. In same pan, over med-high heat, add the remaining oil and saute the onions/peppers for 4-5 minutes. Add garlic, saute for 30 seconds more. Add coconut milk, fish sauce, half of the lime juice, red pepper flakes and sausage pieces to pan. Cook for 5-6 mins more until sausage is cooked through. The coconut milk will reduce some which is what you want. You're looking for a thick sauce to form. If it reduces too much, add a bit of water. Add reserved pasta and cook long enough to reheat the pasta.

Dish up into bowls, garnish with cilantro leaves and a squeeze of lime.

Calories 324, Fat 18g, Sat Fat 8g, trans fat 0g, sodium 957mg, carbs 25g, fiber 2g, sugars 6g, protein 18g

You can also add sliced carrots, bean sprouts, thai basil, maybe some chopped peanuts too.

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i seem to be up 2lbs from my last weigh in (a week ago) but probably just bunged up

andy, that nutritional info doesn't look right, a cup of pasta is at least 50 grams of carbs, plus there are carbs in the veg, coconut milk, etc