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zemekone 01-28-2009 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RX2010 (Post 199933)

(and round is not an acceptable shape)

scott mendleson is pretty round :r

The Professor 01-29-2009 08:52 AM

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I think Gerry's bad squat day cursed mine. Had a good warmup and first set at 225. On one of the last reps, though, I must have moved laterally or something. My right hip was definitely tweaked. Tried to walk and stretch it off. Tried working it out at a lower weight. It just wasn't having it. Stiff leg deads were better; though I just felt like I was lacking the strength and was only able to do 4 sets of 225 (275 was a no-go).

The only good thing about the day was that I was somehow able to hit a PR on leg press. 8 pies seemed like a struggle. 10 pies was actually a little easier. 12 pies was manageable. 12 pies + a 25 on each side wasn't horrible. So I loaded up 14 pies and hit it for 5 ... screaming like a mofo on the last rep. It felt good. :r

Right hip still bothering me a little when I walk, though. Think I just need to rest it a bit -- no elliptical or anything like that.

Mugen910 01-29-2009 08:59 AM

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No gym last night...I was suppose to do a 5 mile run but right when I stepped outta the car I lost my foot in a freakin puddle. so running with wet socks was not an option. I should have just worked out but I doubt I woulda made it through the small river flowing infront of the gym....stupid new england weather! :fl

Gonna see what I can get in today..

BigFrank 01-29-2009 02:17 PM

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Off to do a little military pressing and assistance junk tonight.

Stretch that bad boy out Prof.

Mugen910 01-29-2009 05:40 PM

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I am wicked tired from waking up early to take my car into the shop. I got hosed $200 for very little work and I'm pissed...but oh well..gonna try and do something at the gym now... :ze

Ubergopher 01-29-2009 06:11 PM

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Today is cardio day, but I'll be doing pull-ups to failure. Tomorrow is shoulder and legs day. Come sweet weekend, come and save my sore body from more torment.

Mugen910 01-29-2009 09:33 PM

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45min on the bike (didn't feel like running)
Legs + Calves today :tu

Threw a big plate on for squats...I like it! :ze ( I won't say how many cuz you'll laugh.)

Ubergopher 01-30-2009 12:51 AM

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Well...

19:00 on my two mile run, and only did 4 pull ups. Gotta get better than that.

Oh and right now 185, my end goal is 175 by April. Oh and to have a cross-training application done by then.

Mugen910 01-30-2009 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Ubergopher (Post 203619)
Well...

19:00 on my two mile run, and only did 4 pull ups. Gotta get better than that.

Oh and right now 185, my end goal is 175 by April. Oh and to have a cross-training application done by then.

The run part isn't that bad...the pull ups are pretty good considering the avg person can do 1.5 :r



I think I tweaked something in my neck last night when doing squats. I'm pretty sure I did not just sleep in an awkward position.

The Professor 01-30-2009 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 204002)
The run part isn't that bad...the pull ups are pretty good considering the avg person can do 1.5 :r



I think I tweaked something in my neck last night when doing squats. I'm pretty sure I did not just sleep in an awkward position.

Yeah ... I can't do one. My shoulder doesn't work that way. I can do pull-downs at > body weight; but no pull-ups. Go figure. :rolleyes:

Why would you have hurt your neck? Was your form off? did you have the bar too high???

Mugen910 01-30-2009 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by The Professor (Post 204004)
Yeah ... I can't do one. My shoulder doesn't work that way. I can do pull-downs at > body weight; but no pull-ups. Go figure. :rolleyes:

Why would you have hurt your neck? Was your form off? did you have the bar too high???

To be honest Dokk I have no idea. Maybe a combo of bad form and too much on at one time? I was usually just doing light squats of whatever the bar is weighted at + 50lbs but last night I threw on an extra 90lb to the mix..

I'm not sure exactly where the bar is suppose to be located on my shoulders when I squat but I feel comfortable with it below the traps sitting right on the shoulders.

The Professor 01-30-2009 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 204017)
To be honest Dokk I have no idea. Maybe a combo of bad form and too much on at one time? I was usually just doing light squats of whatever the bar is weighted at + 50lbs but last night I threw on an extra 90lb to the mix..

I'm not sure exactly where the bar is suppose to be located on my shoulders when I squat but I feel comfortable with it below the traps sitting right on the shoulders.

That's probably about the right place for the bar. I always think about it in terms of finding the groove built into the traps just at the top of the shoulders -- the bar fits perfectly there. People like Frank, Gerry, Tom, and Dave will probably call it "the shelf" -- but that's because they're monsters. :D

Wonder if your core wasn't tight enough and you bent forward too far (causing the bar to roll up toward your neck)? Or maybe you just did too much?

For the record, the bar almost always weighs 45lbs.

Genetic Defect 01-30-2009 08:51 AM

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http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/exer...ell+Full+Squat
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Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 204017)
To be honest Dokk I have no idea. Maybe a combo of bad form and too much on at one time? I was usually just doing light squats of whatever the bar is weighted at + 50lbs but last night I threw on an extra 90lb to the mix..

I'm not sure exactly where the bar is suppose to be located on my shoulders when I squat but I feel comfortable with it below the traps sitting right on the shoulders.


Mugen910 01-30-2009 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Vito (Post 204156)

:tu Thanks.


Dokk, I wanna call it "The shelf" someday too! :D

Genetic Defect 01-30-2009 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 204176)
:tu Thanks.


Dokk, I wanna call it "The shelf" someday too! :D

you might need some assistance in that area.

Mugen910 01-30-2009 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Vito (Post 204200)
you might need some assistance in that area.

that's why I got you. <3 you had me at "Shelf"

GhostRyder 01-30-2009 02:01 PM

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Anyone here do front squats? I have been getting into them, but I've been noticing my wrists start to kill once I get up into the heavier weights. Any ideas on how to fix this or what I might be doing wrong?

BigFrank 01-30-2009 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GhostRyder (Post 204896)
Anyone here do front squats? I have been getting into them, but I've been noticing my wrists start to kill once I get up into the heavier weights. Any ideas on how to fix this or what I might be doing wrong?

I used to do them heavy. The trick I learned was to cross my arms in front on my body. Think of the I dream of genie thing here. And have the bar rest on top of my front delts.

I have also seen people use wrist straps, and place them around the bar and hold on to them like handles. I tried this once and failed miserably.

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Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 204017)
To be honest Dokk I have no idea. Maybe a combo of bad form and too much on at one time? I was usually just doing light squats of whatever the bar is weighted at + 50lbs but last night I threw on an extra 90lb to the mix..

I'm not sure exactly where the bar is suppose to be located on my shoulders when I squat but I feel comfortable with it below the traps sitting right on the shoulders.

Here are two quick tips.
When you get under that bar, think about wearing a baseball cap backwards and have the bill of the cap touch your upper back. Keeping your head up. Second, when you come out of the bottom think about leading with your chest.

check the video out for a few free tips
http://www.flexcart.com/members/elit...4&m=PD&pid=981

icehog3 01-30-2009 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GhostRyder (Post 204896)
Anyone here do front squats? I have been getting into them, but I've been noticing my wrists start to kill once I get up into the heavier weights. Any ideas on how to fix this or what I might be doing wrong?

Never been able to do half the weight on front squats that I could on regular squats.....tears apart my wrists too.

zemekone 01-30-2009 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GhostRyder (Post 204896)
Anyone here do front squats? I have been getting into them, but I've been noticing my wrists start to kill once I get up into the heavier weights. Any ideas on how to fix this or what I might be doing wrong?

2 words: manta ray...

Genetic Defect 01-30-2009 06:40 PM

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1,000 words http://www.sport-tiedje.at/advancedf...top_detail.jpg

Mugen910 01-30-2009 09:03 PM

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20 min run

Shoulders and Back tonite. :tu

GhostRyder 01-31-2009 09:20 AM

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It's good to know that I'm not the only one who has a difficult time with wrists on the Front Squat. I like the lift a lot more than a regular squat, and I guess I'll be doin it with the crossed arms in front of me. I have done that on my heavy lifts before. Today is a rest day though -- thankfully.

Mugen910 01-31-2009 05:46 PM

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7 miles tonite on the boring A$$ treadmill....ugh...running now on whey protein too...hope everyone is shredding it up!

icehog3 01-31-2009 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 207332)
7 miles tonite on the boring A$$ treadmill....ugh...running now on whey protein too...hope everyone is shredding it up!

I trained shoulders and arms today...tough to breathe at times with this cold, but I felt better after the workout (and now, several hours later) than I did before the workout.

Mugen910 01-31-2009 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 207401)
I trained shoulders and arms today...tough to breathe at times with this cold, but I felt better after the workout (and now, several hours later) than I did before the workout.

That's what I like to hear!!! Tough through it! :ze:ze

icehog3 01-31-2009 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 207415)
That's what I like to hear!!! Tough through it! :ze:ze

It's the only way I know how, Brother Bao! :)

Mugen910 01-31-2009 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 207420)
It's the only way I know how, Brother Bao! :)

I know it's all a placebo but I like to go for a jog when I'm sick...makes me feel better and helps me sleep too!

Chris. 01-31-2009 07:07 PM

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I did shoulders and back yesterday. Wasn't feeling it at all since it felt like my throat was closing up on itself and I couldn't really breathe well for some reason. it was a good workout though since I pushed past the problem.

Mugen910 01-31-2009 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris. (Post 207443)
I did shoulders and back yesterday. Wasn't feeling it at all since it felt like my throat was closing up on itself and I couldn't really breathe well for some reason. it was a good workout though since I pushed past the problem.

:ze Should def get that throat looked at Chris...

BigFrank 02-01-2009 08:52 AM

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Damn everyone getting sick on me!

King James 02-01-2009 09:19 AM

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week one of volu-grow done. Anyone else using it?

Need to find a good pre-workout shake.

DavenportESQ 02-01-2009 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GhostRyder (Post 204896)
Anyone here do front squats? I have been getting into them, but I've been noticing my wrists start to kill once I get up into the heavier weights. Any ideas on how to fix this or what I might be doing wrong?


2 fingers for me...

I think its because of my Olympic background. When U develope that strength in wrist and fingers it becomes easier to rack cleans.

Mugen910 02-01-2009 09:53 AM

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I don't know how you gym rats do it...Working out in the AM is not easy! Chest, Biceps, Triceps and I had to lower the weights to finish...

Chris. 02-01-2009 09:56 AM

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AM is easier for me than PM. Mainly because I'm beat and don't want to do anything after work.

DavenportESQ 02-01-2009 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 208213)
I don't know how you gym rats do it...Working out in the AM is not easy! Chest, Biceps, Triceps and I had to lower the weights to finish...

Its because your CNS isn't stimulated. This past semester we had workouts at 6:00 to be able to do anything in the weightroom I had to be up at 5 moving around. and considerable amount of time to warm up.

I

zemekone 02-01-2009 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DavenportESQ (Post 208232)
Its because your CNS isn't stimulated. This past semester we had workouts at 6:00 to be able to do anything in the weightroom I had to be up at 5 moving around. and considerable amount of time to warm up.

I

i use to train at be in the gym by 600 too... you will get you to it...

The Professor 02-01-2009 12:47 PM

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Back from the gym and my back is wasted in a good way. Wasn't even going to lift today. Once I turned my ipod on with some new tracks, I got the urge. No sense wasting THAT! :D Decided to make it back day when I saw that *everyone* else was doing "curlz 4 da gurlz" (TM- D'ESQ). Warmup was cardio and a lot of stretching. I think I'm gonna start budgeting a little more time to get a good 15-20 of stretching and cardio in before I lift. I think it helped today.

V-bar pulldowns, seated low rows, and barbell rows all felt real good. Followed up with deads -- 135 x 10, 225 x 10 x 3, 315 x 6-7 x 2. Then some 185 snatch grip deads for 10 then for 5/failure. My body was just outta juice at this point. I should have brought $$ for a gatorade ... probably would have been able to pull through on a full set of snatch deads.

:ze :ze :ze

Mugen910 02-01-2009 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DavenportESQ (Post 208232)
Its because your CNS isn't stimulated. This past semester we had workouts at 6:00 to be able to do anything in the weightroom I had to be up at 5 moving around. and considerable amount of time to warm up.

I

:tu
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Originally Posted by zemekone (Post 208240)
i use to train at be in the gym by 600 too... you will get you to it...

:hm
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Originally Posted by The Professor (Post 208510)
V-bar pulldowns, seated low rows, and barbell rows all felt real good. Followed up with deads -- 135 x 10, 225 x 10 x 3, 315 x 6-7 x 2. Then some 185 snatch grip deads for 10 then for 5/failure.

:ze :ze

I'm sore as a mofo from this AM..I went lighter and everything! stupid CNS and it's slowness. :fl

The Professor 02-02-2009 07:47 AM

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Felt like making today a speed day, today, for chest & tris. Dropped the weight a little and, after my warmups (crunches to tighten core, barbell rows to prime the lats, pressdowns to prime the tris, and super light bench presses for the pecs) grabbed the stopwatch and hit the following

115 -- 10 sets of 5 reps each, 45 seconds rest between sets
135 -- 5 sets of 2 reps each, 45-60 seconds rest between sets

The first 7 or so sets were very fast. I got a little sluggish in a couple of sets toward the end of the 115s. I *probably* could have done sets of 3 on 135; but given no spotter and that I was already getting sluggish, I decided to just hit 2 fast each set. All about the fast-twitch, right Dave? :ze

Followed it up with some 190 decline presses (on a Hammer Strength plate-loaded) -- 3 sets of 6. Then did some standard tri exercises: skull crushers, pressdowns, behind head rope extensions. I'm beat. :D

DavenportESQ 02-02-2009 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by The Professor (Post 209686)
Felt like making today a speed day, today, for chest & tris. Dropped the weight a little and, after my warmups (crunches to tighten core, barbell rows to prime the lats, pressdowns to prime the tris, and super light bench presses for the pecs) grabbed the stopwatch and hit the following

115 -- 10 sets of 5 reps each, 45 seconds rest between sets
135 -- 5 sets of 2 reps each, 45-60 seconds rest between sets

The first 7 or so sets were very fast. I got a little sluggish in a couple of sets toward the end of the 115s. I *probably* could have done sets of 3 on 135; but given no spotter and that I was already getting sluggish, I decided to just hit 2 fast each set. All about the fast-twitch, right Dave? :ze

Followed it up with some 190 decline presses (on a Hammer Strength plate-loaded) -- 3 sets of 6. Then did some standard tri exercises: skull crushers, pressdowns, behind head rope extensions. I'm beat. :D

Thats sooo much volume I just threw up!

Awesome workout! Great to see the shoulder isn't holding you back

Mugen910 02-02-2009 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DavenportESQ (Post 210025)
Thats sooo much volume I just threw up!

Awesome workout! Great to see the shoulder isn't holding you back

:tpd: You're freakin crazy!

DavenportESQ 02-02-2009 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 210033)
:tpd: You're freakin crazy!

What is your AM Routine like? What time do you wake up compared to gym time? Do you eat? Do you shower? these are all things that concern the CNS. If we figure it out it might help you with your AM lifting sesssion


For me I have to eat something. I would go with 2-3 granola bars. The weight room was only like 2 and a half minutes away for me, but this could be ideal pre workout drink time/coffee....I would get up and take a contrast shower.....Jump in when its cold stay under for some time and then turn it up hot repeat twice dry off go lift. The changes of hot and cold help increase blood flow to all extremeties etc.

Im sure others have some little tricks they use before they go to the gym

The Professor 02-02-2009 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DavenportESQ (Post 210025)
Thats sooo much volume I just threw up!

Awesome workout! Great to see the shoulder isn't holding you back

It's totally strange ... I can do flat bench and decline bench; but incline bench and shoulder presses/military presses effin kill. Go figure. I still need to see a doctor. Next week, I think I'll do 135 x 3 x 10 on a rack with boards. :D Now ... where do I find boards. :r

Mugen910 02-02-2009 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DavenportESQ (Post 210043)
What is your AM Routine like? What time do you wake up compared to gym time? Do you eat? Do you shower? these are all things that concern the CNS. If we figure it out it might help you with your AM lifting sesssion


For me I have to eat something. I would go with 2-3 granola bars. The weight room was only like 2 and a half minutes away for me, but this could be ideal pre workout drink time/coffee....I would get up and take a contrast shower.....Jump in when its cold stay under for some time and then turn it up hot repeat twice dry off go lift. The changes of hot and cold help increase blood flow to all extremeties etc.

Im sure others have some little tricks they use before they go to the gym


Oh sorry...I realized my last post could have been taken the wrong way but I meant I agreed with you and Dokk was crazy for doing that workout...

Honestly...I am not an AM person and even in the gym I tend to favor the machine in the AM versus free weights.
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Originally Posted by DavenportESQ (Post 210043)
What is your AM Routine like? What time do you wake up compared to gym time? Do you eat? Do you shower? these are all things that concern the CNS. If we figure it out it might help you with your AM lifting session

My routine is whatever BigFrank wrote out for me but it looks like it'll end up being Chest/ Tri/Biceps...Sets = 3 for chest but 2 for tri/bi and the number of reps depends on the week I am at.

I am usually up by 7 on weekdays and at the gym by 7pm..My usual weekend is reserved for long runs...I didn't eat Sunday till after except for a banana and no I didn't shower. I'm hoping to make the sunday AM workout a common thing but it depends on my running schedule. Honestly though I couldn't beleive how sore I got/am doing much lighter weights. The CNS made me feel like a girl.

The Professor 02-02-2009 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DavenportESQ (Post 210043)
For me I have to eat something.

For me, eating something --> :pu

I like your other tricks, though. I usually just get up about 1-1.5hr before I want to be lifting. I take an energy/NO supp about 15-30 minutes before lifting. The shower thing is one I might try. Hmmmm....

BigFrank 02-02-2009 01:33 PM

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I used to workout early in the morning. It would go something like this.
Wake up
Eat Full Meal
Shower
Pre-workout Drink
Gym


Deload week for me. Well needed.

BigFrank 02-02-2009 03:48 PM

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Back from the gym nothing special. Thinking about hitting a new gym later this week.
Also word is two big time powerlifters in my area, are planning on coming out of retirement ( couch potatos ) and training again. They have a full setup in one of the guy's garage, monolift, bands, chains, texas bar, deadlift mats u name it they got it. the works. If they did I would most likely be able to train with them. Hopefully they start to train again. If not, I will continue on. Downloaded the application for a meet in march. So far if all holds well I will compete.

ChicagoWhiteSox 02-02-2009 04:25 PM

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done lifting:ze time to relax:ss

The Professor 02-02-2009 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFrank (Post 210717)
Back from the gym nothing special. Thinking about hitting a new gym later this week.
Also word is two big time powerlifters in my area, are planning on coming out of retirement ( couch potatos ) and training again. They have a full setup in one of the guy's garage, monolift, bands, chains, texas bar, deadlift mats u name it they got it. the works. If they did I would most likely be able to train with them. Hopefully they start to train again. If not, I will continue on. Downloaded the application for a meet in march. So far if all holds well I will compete.

Awesome, Frank. I'd love to be able to train with someone else serious about lifting. You'd better post vids of your best contest lifts, Brother. If you come in every PR you break at the meet gets you one cigar (max 3 -- 1 per major lift). Come in 1st, and I'll throw in a couple more. All Habanos, of course. :D :tu :ze


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