Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3
 

I, er, uh......I am going to the gym to hit chest.

:lr

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can I ask what your gains were like on M1D?

any sides?

what was your PCT and on cycle support?

PM if you prefer

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Ignorance truly is bliss... I couldn't be any happier having no idea WTH "butt-chugging' is... :tu

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Believe me, I wish I didn't know what it was...

On a different note, anyone have an opinion to offer in regards to Reebok Zigs? I need a new pair of workout shoes, and there's several pairs on sale right now. Yes, I know they're hideous looking, but I'm not entering a fashion contest with them.

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3
 

Gains in strength were significant on all lifts.

No side effects of note.

Not sure what the third question means, please clarify and I will do my best to answer.

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what was your PCT and on cycle support?

Post cycle therapy- some guys use an anti-estrogen or test booster when coming off a PH cycle

On cycle support- some guys take precautionary supps- either proprietary or things like hawthorn berry- to prevent liver damage since a lot of PH are taxing on the liver.

thanks for the response

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This x100....*shudders*

I saw those actually, and tried them on...Not a fan. I was looking for a new pair of shoes but eh...either I'm not with "the times" or those shoes were terribly weird and uncomfortable. They do look goofy as sh*t that's for sure.

Let me elaborate a bit on the "not a fan". When the shoes bend in your step they feel VERY off to me. I didn't like it at all.

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Ab exercise...sucks. I tried starting it today...and hate it!

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Gotcha. :tu

I used to take anti-estrogen supps when I stopped the PHs, but I haven't in a few years and don't seem to suffer any ill effects for it.

Only issue I have ever had with the PH cycles has been elevated creatinine levels, but never to the point where my doctor thought it was a problem, and was usually solved my raising my water intake. I have never taken Hawthorn Berry, but use Taurine, Zinc Picolonate, Saw Palmetto and Coenzyme Q-10.

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Just because two of you commented on it... :D

Think alcohol enema. Ingesting alcohol anally vs. orally bypasses the digestive and filtration system in the body, making absorption into the bloodstream much quicker and potent. :tu


Thanks for the input. I admit that I haven't even tried a pair on yet, just had a buddy tell me that they had a sale going on out at the mall and I should check them out.

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Well that was the trial run of Muscle Marinade. First time with any of the DMAA PWO's so I took 3/4 of a scoop. I personally don't get why it was banned, I didn't feel very different at all. In fact to me this feels like "cleaner" pure energy. My lifts weren't really any better and it made me sweat like a banshee but overall I got a good workout in.

I'll have to give it a few more tries and see what I think. I can say I couldn't imagine taking a whole sh*tton of this stuff so it's probably cost effective. I haven't crashed yet, we'll see. Tastes good though. I'll do 1 full scoop next time.

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After the above description, you should never say the following again:

:r :r :r

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You know how difficult it is to stand on your head when you get to be my age? :r

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Perhaps you would prefer if I stood on your head? :)

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*checks name*

Nope, not Devan. :tu

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I did this for a while. Made me strong like a bull, and allowed me to gain a lot of muscle weight, but I think I'm going to stay away from Test boosters and Anti Estrogens. Loved the result, but had one nasty side effect for me: Gynecomastia due to the huge increase in testosterone (yes, I know, quite embarrassing). It's a common condition for men, but my doctor said that these supplements likely contributed to it, especially at such a young age. I am currently scheduling surgery to remove the tissue that formed as a result. Works for some, but just wanted to throw that out there for anyone who has not yet dabbled in the realm of T boosters. :2

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3
 

I do ab work strictly for core strength. Ab definition is built in the kitchen.

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Did you try taking Anastrozole or another estrogen inhibitor?

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Unfortunately, I developed the hard, painful (glandular) gynecomastia not the fatty kind that some medicines of anti-estrogens can help shrink down. I've done some serious researching, as has my doctor, and it would seem that at this stage in the game (six months, and still hasn't gotten better, even off supps) I'm going to have to go under the knife :(. Luckily my insurance will cover it which is a relief when I saw how much the surgery can cost!

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3-5K?

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I was lucky, never had any gynecomastia issues, even before my current career when I dabbled in some illegal supplements for a time (26+ years ago).

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I'm way too afraid of getting B**** Tits, so I always take an E-blocker and a T-boost as a post cycle. as for during, I usually just take a liver support or just milk thistle pills.

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I'm going more for the core strength and a little of fat burning. I'll never have ripped abs. I've always said "regular weight/strength training takes discipline but ab work takes character". Even though I'm giving it ANOTHER try I'm convinced I don't have what it takes for ripped abs. This was confirmed as I :sadwas eating cheesecake 11:30 last night.

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Whether you think you can or think you can't, you are right. :D

I'm 45 and in the best shape of my life. I eat donuts, chocolate, pizza, etc. I made home made pizza last weekend and ate four 11" pizzas to myself. I don't do cardio because I hate it. I do 5 sets of abs, 3X week. Abs show up when you eat fewer calories than you burn.

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Well crap...now I'm hungry.

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went to GNC to re-up on protein.... the guy there was really trying to steer me towards the Re-Built Mass product. Any thoughts on that?

I ended up getting the ON Gold Standard Whey...

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Personally, depends on the goal you want. Mass gainers, like the one I've been taking, can have as much as 1250 calories, 250g carbs, and 50+g of protein in a single serving (which is too high for some people). I'm trying to put on weight and muscle currently, and it's really worked well for me. I also take half a serving of gainer after workouts and before bed to put back carbs and other nutrients into my body. If you're trying to strictly gain muscle and have a decent amount of body fat, then Whey Protein is prolly the way to go :2 I used to be extremely skinny, but now stand at 6'0" and 200 pounds -- 35 pounds in one year!

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http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/gainers.htm

ON Serious Mass?

What you can do as well is cut the serving in half if it is too much. I've heard people having great success with taking half a serving of ON Serious Mass for twice as long.

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Exactly! Sounds like you've used it before. The normal scoops are ENORMOUS, and they practically fill my shaker bottle more than half way. That's why I halve my servings. Plus it makes it last longer, which means I can get more cigars instead :tu

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Nope, I actually haven't. I've just read into it heavily. I will probably go on it in a few months.

I noticed the 334 G scoop and I knew that was a RIDICULOUS size serving, 10 times a normal protein shak. So I read about it and people were cutting it in half. An extra 625 calories + milk if you use it was more than enough for most people.

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Company didn't ship until 7/13, not too impressed with them at this point.

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If you haven't already looked at it, I've found Supplement Warehouse to be incredibly cheap...5lb of ON Gold Standard and 12lb of Serious Mass all >$100 if I do remember correctly...Heck of a lot better than paying retail

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I buy my Acetyl-L Carnitine and Zinc Picolinate from them. :tu

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I'm still debating how much weight I wanna put on (assuming I can, I have a rather quick metabolism). I'm 5'9" and up to around 150 now

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Weird. I placed an order on the third (bought two tubs) and it arrived on the fifth. ;s

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Was it purchased through "The Natural Health Shoppe" on Amazon Marketplace, Stephen?

Took them 8 days to even ship (if it was backordered, they should have told me). Then it got hung up in Indiana for 3 days....looks like it's finally on the move again today.

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Really wierd...I experienced the same problem with that distributor when I bought Beta Alanine

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No sir, I purchased directly from Amazon (Prime member; free two day shipping). I went and looked at, "The Naturall Health Shoppe" on Amazon and noticed that they have this blurb under their produts:

*edit* Looking around, it doesn't even look like Amazon is selling it directly now. Bastages.

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Thanks, Stephen...yup, I didn't have the option to buy it direct, possibly because one of the ingredients has been banned by the FDA?

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Funny....the day after I bought it, they provided a USPS Delivery Confirmation number.

That number was no good, and when I e-mailed them, they sent me a completely different DC number. :confused:

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3
 

tom pm me your addy... i have a bunch of samples for you

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Thanks, Brother! :D

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I was just going through pics on my facebook over the years...I haven't really noticed how much I've changed over the past year since I see myself in the mirror every day. I thought all you work out gurus would find this funny! So without further adu...

http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/...92/skinny2.jpg
Senior year, summer 2011, right before reporting into the Academy - 165 pounds

http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/...iano92/200.jpg
About 9 weeks ago - 193 pounds

Weighed myself today...200 pounds

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3
 

Darn, Man. Keep the good work.

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Thanks, please forgive the corny photos!

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Now I wanna go buy weight gainer...

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Awesome bro, keep up the great work.

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Delivered today, 13 days after ordering. I won't buy from that seller again.

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Damn Rob, whats the total time between those 2 pics?

NM...I see it was about a year. How did you put on that much muscle that quickly?

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Eating a lot, but eating very well...I tried to cut as much junk food out of my diet as possible. Other than that, 2 bowls of spinach salad, 6 glasses of 2% milk, and sometimes weight gainer when I miss a meal are a daily staple of diet. 4-5 times a week in the gym! For 18 years I never walked into a weight room...so I really had nothing to lose to begin with :r