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I have no idea why either... Here what it says.


Q: When's the best time to consume Xtend?
A: Two university studies suggest that Xtend is significantly effective at increasing muscle mass and strength, and reducing body fat when consumed during exercise or immediately prior to and after training.* It's recommended that you begin consuming Xtend immediately prior to, and continue sipping on Xtend throughout your training or competition. Many users also report significantly improved gains when Xtend is consumed immediately upon waking-up in the morning and/or sipping on Xtend throughout the day.

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Yeah Xtend basically tells you to constantly consume their product, even multiple servings, and BSN says cycle off. Both recovery products.

Here's what AminoX says

To maximize the effects of AMINOx™ consume 120 oz. of water per day and a diet that is rich in protein and carbohydrates. Your body chemistry and weight will determine how long it takes to experience the effect of AMINOx™. AMINOx™ begins to induce its maximum effects in weeks 3-12. After 12 weeks of use, discontinue for at least 4 weeks.

:sh

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Here's a question. Ive always heard lighter weight/more reps equals leaner muscle mass. What constitutes more reps? 12? 20? Here's my situation. After losing a lot of weight, I'vebeen incorporating weight training into my routine. I've seen nice results over the last couple of months. But in doing so, I've put back on 5-7 lbs. I know it's muscle weight, but psychologically it's killing me to see the scale going up. So I'd like to basically stay where I'm at, but losing some of the last bit of fat. So to not put on more mass do I stay at my current weights just upping the reps?

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How many calories are you taking in a day? Has your diet changed since working out?

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Around 2300-2500. I'm pretty diligent about what I eat. I don't track it like I used to but I"m eating the same kinds of foods/portions while I was maintaining my weight. When I was dropping the lbs, I was taking in around 1700-2000/day.

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Have you done any BMI tests? Most important factor in "How fat am I?" is to measure the actual fat. Your weight could be due to water retention and muscle, not actually more fat. Another factor is how your clothes fit. You may be heavier yet your clothes fit better.

On the workout front, I would up the long medium paced cardio (at least 30 minutes at pace you can still talk at) and keep the weights at whatever rep level you are comfortable with. Count your calories and you'll have to lose more fat...

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My pants/shorts still fit the same as when I was down at the 183-185 mark (currently I"m around 190-192). Shirts have a more fitted look with the development I've had in my upper body, since that's what I've been concentrating on.

Besides the weight workouts, I've still been running a lot. I want to do a half marathon later this fall, so cardio isn't an issue. I think you're right though and I need to log my food intake to make sure I'm eating what I think.

Still wondering though about reps with lighter weights. If I can easily do 15+ reps per set of a particular exercise, is that really doing me any good?

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Whether you do 8 reps or 20, you should be in similar state of fatigue on the last reps. If you blast though 15, then just add weight. On high rep sets, just add 5’s or 2.5’s instead of repeating the same weight.

Personally, I like it traditional with 10 rep sets, but it is recommended to go up in reps when over 40 years old… Make the difference back on stretching to keep the body long and range of motion in check.

If you think you are retaining water, watch your sodium intake. Do you have any swelling in lower legs?

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Surprising you ask that. I've been experiencing this for a couple of months, always below the knee and when I'm standing around for long periods of time. Doesn't do it when i'm active and on my feet. I saw the doc the other day and he gave me a script for a diuretic.

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Yes, the diuretic pill is quite common for water retention. Not sure how old you are, but the swelling can be due to hormone inbalance. Male menopause, lol..

Consider getting a blood panel done so you know where your levels are including hormones (HGH and Testosterone), liver, colon and insulin. Might be able to get insurance to pay for it too. Generally they won't, but even out of pocket is well worth it.

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What I have read, as it relates to reducing body fat percentage, is that if you eat at a caloric deficit, meaning less calories than your body burns, and continue to lift heavy, while also getting enough protein (I've read 1 gram per pound of lean muscle mass), you will loose the fat while minimizing muscle loss. I think if you've gained 5-7 pounds, its either water weight or you are eating more than you think since you stopped tracking. Just my :2 I'm still working off the fat, so take it for what it's worth (probably not much).

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I had blood drawn last week, along with a echo of my heart. Just waiting on those results.

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Swelling could be related to a diabetic condition too. Did you fast before the blood was drawn?

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No, that's next month when I have my A1C checked.

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Have you tried Muscle Marinade? Love that stuff. Next purchase will probably be Craze; heard nothing but good things about it.

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Do yourself a HUGE favor, pass on the grape. It is repulsive. Craze is nuts for sure, but it gave me a wicked cottonmouth I didn't like and turned my stomach a bit. I'd still only use it once a week, I tried using it 3 times a week and after 3 weeks and I lost half the effects.

But yeah, try 2 scoops the first time you do it....probably certain tunnel vision. It's intense.

I've been thinking about trying the new Berry Lemonade, it's getting a 9.4 for flavor. "Candy Grape" had like a 7.0.

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Thanks for the head's up! :tu

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Haven't tried either of them, Stephen...I will give them a look-see on BB.com, thanks for the heads-up. :)

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From what I could read is MM isn't sold on BB.com. Probably due to the 80 mg of 1,3 Dim that is it in. Some people say if you liked Jack3d you'll like MM. Others say it's too stim heavy and tastes god awful. Apparently fresh fruit is the ticket from what I could read. Not sure I want to get into the really stim heavy PWO's. But that is what it is, 300mg caffeine, 80 mg of 1,3 dim. There might also be a wicked crash or come down.

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The best pre-workout that I have tried (and I've tried a bunch!) is 1mr by BPI sports. Nothing comes close. This stuff is awesome. Try it you won't be disappointed.

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Liked it until they changed the formula a couple months ago to avoid being banned by the FDA along with Hemorage Ultra and Jack3d. Isn't even close to what it was anymore. :2

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I get it off of Amazon (although I'm positive bb.com used to sell it). No tax and no shipping. Yeah, it's stim heavy, but for those taking Jack3d that's something they're probably not too worried about. Personally never had issues with crashing. I've tried Cherry Limeade, but usually stick with Fruit Punch.

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Okay hell you sold me, I read you could take a half a scoop to start and probably do just fine. I got it for like $31 shipped. Not complaining I bought the Fresh Fruit or whatever flavor. Starting to get into too high of servings on the regular non-stim PWO's anyways (3-4 scoops on most of them).

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Yup, I'm gonna try it too....just ordered from Amazon.

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ok ok ok... im back

mostly been working and helping a couple fighters on their strength and conditioning....

but im back!

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geRRy! http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a.../patrick-1.jpg

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Not sure if you know but after looking into it for a bit it seems there are a few more with the 1,3 dim (DMAA) that didn't get the axe or are still on the market. Allmax Razor8 and Supp-D were a few I found. It seems Jack3d is still around. I'm assuming they never changed the formula and the online shops will have it for a while.

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Yeah, I did a half scoop for the first week or so when I first used it just to be on the safe side. Let me know what you guys think!

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Yeah, my gym has enough of a supply of Jack3d and Hemorage to last a while...

I am pretty immune....I'll probably start with 4 scoops, Stephen. :lr

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morning workout...

30 weighted dips
30 weighted pullups
box jumps 2x10
barbell bench press 3x4-6
barbell incline bench press 2x4-6
farmer walks 4x25ft

have you guys ever tried maximize v2 by iforce? the old formula is on amazon, and does contain 1,3 dim

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Haven't tried that one, geRRy, I will put it on the list.

Skipped my workout Monday after my travel debacle, had to miss Tuesday and Wednesday because of extended work hours, so today was my only workout of the week. Did a whole upper body circuit just to get a good overall one, saving egs for hockey tonight....then, off again for Friday-Monday for Massholia. Hoping to get back in the swing Tuesday AM, it will be a rough one as I have a hockey doubleheader Monday night when I get home from Boston.

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I'm done with all the preworkout stimulants. I found that I don't really need them or that they do much for me.

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Couldn't help but think of this...

:r

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:lr :wo

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:r

I wish Red bull did that :(

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Ditto, I've ran everything under the sun and I needed to start taking 2x the reccomended scoops. The only thing I'm taking now is creatine and protein. My pre workout consists off coffee and carbs.

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I got that Muscle Marinade in yesterday, giving it a shot tomorrow with a half a scoop. I can say it smells just fine. I know some people complained about that, I didn't get it :sh

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Hoping to get mine by the end of the week.

Restocked some prohormones today, seemed to work well on the first cycle so I will give them another go-round.

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You ever try the DMAA caps? I was thinking about buying them and tossing back a few of them when taking non-DMAA PWO's. I figure it couldn't hurt and it's cheap. Might save me a few bucks instead of going with more scoops.

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I have heard DMAAs are much slower-acting than the powders. Some just break open the capsules and chase the powder inside with water. I have no experience with them so this is all based on other guys at the gym and hockey.

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Interesting, If I like the Muscle Marinade I'll probably order the DMAA caps this week and give it a shot. Thanks :tu

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Please lemme know how it goes with both, Bill.

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Definitely will do.

Been trying out Hypershred since it was on sale at BB.com. Damn they don't give that sh*t a 9.4/10 for nothing, I've been doing it for a week and already getting great results. I bought AminoX as well, I haven't tried BSN products in a good while but they are definitely getting something right lately. I'd say AminoX is better than Xtend, Blox and Evolution X7. Haven't found a better Intra/Post workout yet.

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What pro-hormones do you use? I've gone through 3 cycles and post cycles in the last 2 years and the last cycle I was on produced a 305lb bench press.

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Not familiar with Hypershred, Bill...I will go check it out on BB.com, but what can you tell me about it?

My last (and next cycle) was:

LG Sciences M1D
ForeRunner Alpha Mass

I added the following supplements as well:

Now Foods Acetyl-L Carnitine
Now Foods Zinc Picolonate

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Fat burner, does quite well so far. LOTS of caffeine per day though.... 180mg a pill, 3 pills a day. I haven't been leaner in quite a while and I just started maybe a week ago. I'm combining it with CLA Core (MusclePharm, been taking that for 2 months) and getting great results. Neither are exactly weight loss pills, fat loss which is what I wanted.

If you were cutting or ever looking to cut......CLA Core + Hypershred seems like a winner.

I'll know more in 3-4 weeks when I finish the bottle of Hypershred, I'm quite impressed so far though.

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Thanks Bill. :tu

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I've seen people break open the pills and snort them (not just with this product mind you). Makes sense, since the desired affect happens quicker than digestion and absorption. I bet it tastes great and doesn't burn at all... ;)

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I've never snorted anything in my life, not about to start with DMAA :r

Something tells me NO ONE had snorting it in mind when they made DMAA, physician or otherwise :r

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Like snorting bath salts or smoking potpurri? Or better yet, who's the first dude who came up with butt-chugging? I mean seriously, how does this happen?