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Ibuprofen prevents inflammation so why not take a ton everyday? High estrogen levels promote bloating and water storage with may be what helps this with inflammation. Like Tom quoted, it's too varying. You're dumping the building blocks for pretty much whatever your body feels like making. Having a shitty day and your body is loaded with cortisol and stress levels are sky high, what you think is going to happen when your body has instant and easy access to make more.Test and estrogen play a delicate balance inside of our bodies. Problem is testosterone aromatizes into estrogen, estrogen just stays as estrogen. So if you were to take it with the hopes of jacking your tests levels up, you would need to be on Estrogen blockers and inhibitors. And with that were talking using prescription grade drugs here. Unless you go the full chemical route, I'd just stick to the basics.

My main concern is I fear that people will take said supplement, with the hopes of being some miracle pill. But in reality it may create more issues than intended.

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Coffee before a workout makes me jittery, Moses...with this form of caffeine and its other ingredients, I get a boost of energy and additional focus without the jitters.

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I just snagged some Jack3d. The new flavor Raspberry Lemonade is decent. Jack3d is the only Pre-workout stimulant drink mix that I have used that I did not get accustomed too. Most other mixes I find I need to cycle, not the case with Jack3d..

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I drink so much coffee that it doesn't do much for me..

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I've never tried any caffeine before a workout... do you find it helps?

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http://www.prosource.net/site/top_50_products.aspx.....prosource also has jack3d at 24.95 with free shipping on orders over $200.

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big time...next time grab a cup of coffee or an energy drink. Just make sure you drink it with time to spare before you get to the gym.

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23.95 from DPS
http://www.dpsnutrition.net/get_by_209.htm

these guys are my go to supp place.

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OK... I usually have a very minimal amount of caffeine anymore since my stomach was jacked all last year... I usually wait until I'm out of the gym and have my coffee and cigar (after the protein shake).

I'll give it a try and report back.

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Yikes. I am sure your drinking 4x the amount of coffee in water to balance it out, right. ;)

It's easy to get in the coffee trap.

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I'd take Wobenzym instead. Talk about naturally kicking down inflamation! Whenever I get back pain, that Wobenzym works wonder in a few days. Totally natural and not too expensive.

Worth looking into.

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That has bromelain in it, just like the Animal Flex I just started taking. Some believe that's the key. :tu

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Wobenzym is a wonderful supplement, but has to be taken on an empty stomach twice a day. If you can plan your day around it, you'll reap benefits for sure.

"In addition, Wobenzym acts as a natural and safe alternative to anti-inflammatory drugs such as Ibuprofen.

Furthermore, some Olympic teams have used Wobenzym to reduce injuries by as much as 50% and to enhance healing after injury. This is partly due to the bioflavonoids ability to prevent the discoloration and local pain associated with traumatic injuries. For these same reasons, leading surgeons now routinely prescribe Wobenzym to prevent bruising and edema and the associated pain for their post-surgical patients."

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Told ya that Flex is no joke. For the price, and conveinence ( the packs ) it can't be beat really.

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No lifting yesterday or today, went rock wall climbing last night instead. Never tried it before, and it was a load of fun. It's also a heck of a workout, lifting my 250lb carcass up a 50ft wall, even with regular hand and foot holds. I think I will have to do it again, and soon. Will do wonders for my grip strength, my forearms were tight as I've ever felt them by the time I was done. Also helping with legs and core strength. Great stuff! :tu

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Stretching hips, legs, and glut's before getting too involved will help you out a lot with climbing.

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Only 4 days in and my joint pain is probably down 50% already....hoping for more improvement over the next few weeks. Thanks again for the tip, Frank. :tu

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I started in September at 10. :)

We are minor leaguers compared to what this thread is focused on but hey... whatever works for you is good. I'm greatful for this ongoing discussion. It has helped stimulate me to get started and most importantly keep with a program that has been good for me.

The addition of the 12 lb hand weights has been a nice dimension. Keep them in the family room and toss off various types of 10 set reps as a nice break to TV watching.

Still resist cardio. One session on the airdyne and none since. Need to add something.. thinking about jumping jacks and maybe squat thrusts.

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Come to Chicago for 60 days and I'll put you on the hockey team, Dave. :D

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Not sure how much shipping is from DPS but I find Jack3d between $20-$25 on Amazon.com. I have a free prime account so 2-day shipping is free.

In diet news.. Following my diet to a T. Parents had pizza last night I passed and had my salmon filet, brown rice and spinach salad. A few days, I haven't had enough carbs and went loco on a few people :r Got that fixed now so all is good. Down 4 pounds in 2 weeks.

Following up with the forecast on the workout.. Shoulders and maybe some triceps today. I've been doing a lot of rest/pause work on rows(single arm and bent over). Basically just making sure the weight touches the ground and comes to a complete stop before I do another rep. On single arm rows I did 3 sets of 105x8 and I'll definitely be going heavier next workout. It gives me a good stretch on the bottom and the split second of rest is enough to give me an extra breath to get out more reps.

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Sounds like you are kickin' ass in all directions, Christos! :tu

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Bi's and Tri's yesterday

Seated DB Curls
Skullcrushers
Standing DB Hammer Curls
OH Tri Press
Chinups
Tri Dips
Concentration Curls
Single arm DB tri Extensions

4 sets of each on a superset basis............about an hour to hammer through it all. This is slow slow going but I am still seeing results so I keep at it.

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Have my sleep study tonight after work....hoping that CPAP is the miracle that a lot of my friends are telling me it is.

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They are 1 state away from me, so I usually get my stuff in about 48hours. They UPS ground ship for the same rate anywhere in the CONUS 48. Plus they offer discount by how much you spend. Right now they have a 15% off anything over 150$ which for me ended up being free shipping and a few bucks off. Plus ya get free **** when you order over 100$ too...

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Knee is feeling better, guess it was the gout.

Any of you guys have on of those days where it seems you can't throw up the weight that you've been doing.

I started out good on Monday doing incline db's, nothing out of the ordinary, then when it came time to do the flat db's I just couldn't throw up the weight. I started out at 75's on the first set thinking I'll end with the 90's or 95's but when I jumped to the 85's for the second set, nothing :sh. I pushed it up 5 times or so then my arms just felt weak, I dropped down to 65's and even those felt heavy.

What gives? Can I just chalk it up to having "one of those days?" REst of the week went fine. I'm going to start adding the Da Klugs routine to my work out soon :ze

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Absolutely Greg....if we could all go at "100%" every workout we would all be Hurculean....just doesn't work that way, and a lot of factors (diet, rest, mental state, and a multitide of others) can affect our strength and endurance from day to day.

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Your Central Nervous System can also take a beating from training.

Worked some assistance work on Friday and got a new tattoo. Looking to do a meet in the late winter but there isn't anything close to me. I'm thinking of running my own meet, maybe a bench for cash meet so I get a decent turn out. We'll see.

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Nothing for me this weekend. Woke up yesterday with a nasty bug that took me down for yesterday and today. Tomorrow is a normal off-day for me, so we'll see how it goes on Tuesday.

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Chest and Legs today

You know, no matter how long I do them I absolutely hate doing squats. About the 7th rep in every set I am in pass out mode. I can push anything too the max to the point of failure.............squats............just not my exercise. I keep doing them though............:sh

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Same ol same ol over the weekend. The 100 consecutive push-ups is starting to get easier so maybe upping it this week. No cardio yet. :(

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Hockey team needs a left wing. ;)

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Never heard back on how the sleep study went, Tom?

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It was miserable, Pete. :hn

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did 3 sets of 10 at 115lbs on the bench today... woot! I hit my goal. Next goal should be with 45s on each side... 3 sets of 5, maybe? :banger

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Sorry ;s Hope the next one goes better.

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Squats at home :ze

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on the toilet?

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It couldn't be worse, Brother. I am wondering if something in the adhesive they used all over my head and face for the electrodes gave me the headache. I will definitely bring some pain killers to the next one.

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I am afraid to ask more...

I'd check with your doctor about it, pain killers might skew the results, especially if they have any type of muscle relaxant in them. If it is the adhesive, they might be able to use a different one?

Second workout of the bench progression this morning. Wasn't sure I'd be able to get it done, energy levels still not at full after the fever I had this weekend, but I was able to get through it. Tomorrow will be fun though :ze
Today was 185x1, 205x1, 220x1, 185x10 on the bench, followed by curls and dips. I was shot by the end.

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Hit back yesterday. Used the rest/pause technique on DB Rows and was able to do 3x8 with 110 pounds. I definitely feel a big difference in my energy when I have more carbs, which really helps keep my strength up even with a deficiency in calories.

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The second study should be with the mask on, the decide what pressure of CPAP is right for my prescription.

I agree that the pain killer might have some effect on my sleep, but there is no way I would lay there again for hours with a migraine that severe, Pete...it was horrible. Not sure if there would be anyway to tell for sure if it was the adhesive without it happening again. I will ask the techs about the pain killers and their effects, though. :tu

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The climb to two plates a side is pretty quick unless you are older. After two plates, most people plateau or slow their rate of increase significantly.

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Frank, this workout is kicking my azz :tu Almost lost it on repping out the squats. That was brutally hard.

3rd week of training for a 1RM on squat and dead.

Squat 300x1, 335x1, 355x1, 300x10
Dead 295x1, 320x1, 350x1

Stretched and went home to shower and go to work. Think I'll use the foam roller tonight when I get home from work.

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Keep kickin' arse, Pete! :tu

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Stick with it Pete. Just remember when you perform those 1 reps you should be trying to push it as fast as humanly possible with every muscle, prep you for that big 1RM.

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I'm already looking forward to the off week after it's done... I'm normally fast on lighter squats, and as they get heavier, I still keep the actual exercise as quick as I can. If I don't, I will wind up getting stuck and having to dump it. I've not made the intensity a focus in that way in the past though. I will try it next week for both bench and squats.

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You want to be fast with squatting, that way you get some natural rebound out of the bottom. Trust me, I used to squat very slow and it killed my squats.

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No need to try such a jump. Just move up to 120lb. You may not think you're feeling it, but your body does notice the difference in load. 3 5's just isn't much volume and going from 3 10's to 5x5 might be a quick switch. Small steps make the longest continued progress.

It'll all about intent isn't it? Even if I can't move a weight fast I'm trying.

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Bench last night. Worked with some chains, keep the weight light at the bottom due to some shoulder issues ( nothing major, slept on it wrong )...

Hope all the lifting crew has a good thanksgiving. I'm going to stuff myself retarded. With sweatpants in hand!

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Holy crap.

Went to the gym this morning with my friend who power lifts. He taught me legs.... did (for the first time ever) squats (3x8x135), deads (1x8x135 & 2x8x185) and good mornings (2x8x95) followed by a couple sets of leg extensions at 150. As for the squats, deads and gm's, I find it nearly impossible to keep my back straight (except gm's... I actually like those because I feel like I can engage my core more)... it's such an odd movement. He said I did pretty good for my first time, but I could feel myself being sloppy. I'll get better with practice.

Aside from that, I almost fell down walking home. :r

Happy turkey day, workout crew.