The Wine Thread

[jwintosh]

good thread!!

i've been drinking a great syrah from James David Cellars (Paso Robles, CA). quite full, and mighty fruity. and, the owner loves his cigars too!!

[hammondc]

] Also opened a 2006 Peju Cab Franc. Wow. what a wine. Great earthy flavors, and some forest floor action going on. Not as much oak character as one would expect. This is a wine for the old world wine drinkers to check out.

I have a 2007 Cab Franc and a few various Cabs from Peju. Another of my favorite warm weather wines is the Peju Provence red white mix. Amazing wine.

[hammondc]

Sterling Cellar Club Sangiovese 2007. Damn good

[BC-Axeman]

good thread!!

i've been drinking a great syrah from James David Cellars (Paso Robles, CA). quite full, and mighty fruity. and, the owner loves his cigars too!!
I met James at Perfecto Cigar Lounge in Roseville. I'll have to get out to Paso and look him up.

[hammondc]

Any input from you fellas regarding a Rose'? As much as I love my reds, it is summer and I need something a bit lighter.

[pektel]

Don't drink much rose', but I did have a nice Castle Rock Sauvignon Blanc yesterday while sitting on the deck watching the kids play in the pool. It was a nice change of pace.

[OLS]

I managed to search this thread for enough reccos on Chardonnay last week, thanks for everyone who added
their Chard thoughts to this thread over the years. I found several of them at Buster's My sister seems to
only like Chardonnay, so it made the wine buying for my Smokies trip a little blase'. But hell, as long as
everyone is happy, I'm good. I have Jimmy Buffet's finest product, I KNOW I will be content (buzzed).
All I need is ice and rum and mix and fruit and electricity and this paddle ball, and this lamp...and this chair.

[mosesbotbol]

Any input from you fellas regarding a Rose'? As much as I love my reds, it is summer and I need something a bit lighter.

Tavel is a good style of Rose to look for.

[hammondc]

Tavel is a good style of Rose to look for.

Thanks a bunch. So Tavel is a varietal of Rose? I thought Rose was just rose. This is uncharted territory for me.

Any reccos for other varietals to look for? Historically, I do not like whites because they tend to be very sharp and usually too sweet. I do like a Viogner from time to time. Seems like most wine pros recommend a Viogner for lovers of red wines.

[mosesbotbol]

Thanks a bunch. So Tavel is a varietal of Rose? I thought Rose was just rose. This is uncharted territory for me.

Any reccos for other varietals to look for? Historically, I do not like whites because they tend to be very sharp and usually too sweet. I do like a Viogner from time to time. Seems like most wine pros recommend a Viogner for lovers of red wines.

Tavel is an appealation in Rhone and their Rose is quite famous: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tavel_AOC. Guigal is a good and easy to find brand for this wine. :tu

[hammondc]

337 Cab. Pretty damn decent for $9.

[jonharky]

Wondering if anyone has heard of or has had the cigar box brand cabernet. It's chilean. I bought a bottle haven't tried it yet

[deadrise]

drinking a local wine tonight it is a blend 40% Cabernet Sauvignon 40% Cabernet Franc 20% Petit Verdot
a little pricey but has been very good

http://partynightandday.com/jkva/pics/smoke.jpg

[mosesbotbol]

VA wine is becoming quite the thing in some wine circles. I want to drink more of them. It's a good time to start investing in the best ones for long term aging.

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Shared a bottle of a 2009 Ernie Els Proprietor's Blend last weekend at a cookout, really surprised how much I liked this one.

[hammondc]

VA wine is becoming quite the thing in some wine circles. I want to drink more of them. It's a good time to start investing in the best ones for long term aging.

No kidding? I'll have to keep an eye out. Please post up if you find some you like.

[mosesbotbol]

No kidding? I'll have to keep an eye out. Please post up if you find some you like.

I would try some from Barboursville Vineyards. The distributor, Broadbent Selections has one of the best portfolios in the wine business and is their distributor. I assume Barboursville Vineyards must be good if Broadbent is representing them.

I have not tried any of their wines, but their Cabernet Franc, Cabernet Sauvignon, and Petit Verdot are talked about.

http://www.barboursvillewine.net/winery/

[hammondc]

Starmont Merlot. 2009. Napa Valley. Damn good.

[LasciviousXXX]

I just got back from Costco where they had '09 Layer Cake Cabs on sale. So I bought a few bottles and cracked one open when I got home. For the price point, I never get tired of Layer Cake :tu

[JohnRogers]

..'09 Layer Cake Cabs on sale. So I bought a few bottles and cracked one open when I got home. For the price point, I never get tired of Layer Cake :tu
The Layer Cake Malbec is the best I have had. Better than Malbecs costing $10, $15 more. It is our "go to" wine.

[mosesbotbol]

If you like Malbec, look for a French Cahors. This is "the malbec" region of France.

[hammondc]

Merryvale 2010 Carneros Pinot Noir. Damned good.

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Layer Cake is good wine for the price Tyr:tu

[BeerAdvocate]

Palmina 2006 = really good!

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Moët brut. Ok wine, but pretty boring to me.

[Sauer Grapes]

Mold or plume?

http://imageshack.us/a/img713/8166/corku.jpg

JK... but I've never seen this on a cork. There was some more in the bottom of the bottle. It was a Chardonnay and the taste was great.

[hammondc]

WTF is that? Sugar crystals?

[mosesbotbol]

WTF is that? Sugar crystals?

Tartic acid most likely.

[hammondc]

Cool. I very rarely drink white wines, so I have never seen that.

[mosesbotbol]

Cool. I very rarely drink white wines, so I have never seen that.

Can happen with red wine too.

[Sauer Grapes]

WTF is that? Sugar crystals?

Tartic acid most likely.

Moses is correct. Much like plume on a cigar is doesn't really mean that much. Supposedly the crystals are bitter, but I tasted one and it was tasteless (you pour carefully to avoid them gong into the glass or decanter). From what i read, it happens more in red wines and far more often in unfiltered wines. I also read that it's a sign the wine was well made.

This was a Chardonnay from Topel that I got a year and a half ago in their tasting room in Healdsburg, ca. Doesn't get great reviews but I liked it. Drank darn near the entire bottle and didn't have a hangover the next day.

[Robulous78]

Hello Wine Thread...

Since being on this forum I have given many new things a try to develop and get to know my own personal tastes, So I figured hmm.. why not give some wine a shot?

I found a bottle of Apothic Red that I liked very much, Anyone have any other suggestions for bargain bottles for a wine noob? 10 to 15 dollars is my price range more or less and I find I tend to like Red wines more, merlot's and Cab's seem to be most agreeable with me...

Thanks for your recommendations.... :tu

[mosesbotbol]

From what i read, it happens more in red wines and far more often in unfiltered wines. I also read that it's a sign the wine was well made.

I thought it some wines, tartic acid is added to stabilize it? I see it a lot in Sauternes and it's floating in around in the bottle.

[Sauer Grapes]

I thought it some wines, tartic acid is added to stabilize it? I see it a lot in Sauternes and it's floating in around in the bottle.

Possible. I'm far too much of a noob to know anything about it more than what I read on a google search about it. :-)

[mosesbotbol]

A good wine for the money I thought I'd mention is "St. James Basket". Cost about $12 and is a solera, not a vintage wine. Great stuff for the money.

[Robulous78]

A good wine for the money I thought I'd mention is "St. James Basket". Cost about $12 and is a solera, not a vintage wine. Great stuff for the money.

Thanks, I'll see if I can't get my hands on a bottle... :tu

any other recommendations?

[Sauer Grapes]

For a good value in a red, I like "House Wine" by the Magnificent Wine Company out of Washington.
http://www.originalhousewine.com/

[mosesbotbol]

Thanks, I'll see if I can't get my hands on a bottle... :tu

any other recommendations?

Altano by Symington. There's a regular, organic and reserve. Any of them are fantastic and had to beat at around $12 for the regular.

Crasto or Flor de Crasto are both great and around $12 as well.

Last but not least, Ramos Pinto Duas Qunitas which is also around $12.

All of the wines mentioned should sell for more money considering the work that is done on their vineyards and in the winemaking process. This is real handcrafted wine the goes beyond their respective price points.

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Drinking some 2007 Domaine Les Pallieres Terraces de Diable. Drinking much better now than it was 16 months ago.

[mosesbotbol]

Here's some pictures of last weeks wines I had. Was a good week

http://www.industria520.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=801&d=1386360064

http://www.industria520.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=800&d=1386254976

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

No pics Moses:cf2

[mosesbotbol]

No pics Moses:cf2

You don't see them?

[massphatness]

Secret Santa did me right with an assortment of red wines. Grace & I finished off a bottle of Casas Patronales Carmenere, a really nice Chilean offering which seems to fall between a merlot & a cab.

It was delicious!

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

You don't see them?

yeppers, nothing here

[mosesbotbol]

Had a 1982 Duckhorn Cab last night; the oldest Duckhorn I have tried (I think). Held up really well. Took about 3 hours to open up. Classic style CA cab.

If I did not have to host pictures on this forum; I'd share more of the bottles I open...

[Porch Dweller]

If I did not have to host pictures on this forum; I'd share more of the bottles I open...

I upload my pictures to Flickr then post the link here.

[Gabe215]

Nothing to add just want to be included on this thread, starting to dabble in the wine world!

[mosesbotbol]

I upload my pictures to Flickr then post the link here.

Other forums I frequent, pictures can be hosted within the forum itself; much easier for me.

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Enjoying some 2010 Bodegas Breca Garnacha. Great bottle tonight, loads of cherry, jolly rancher type strawberry, some coffee/chocolate flavors as well. Chewy and dark/ripe. New world style with that candy sweetness, but the finish is fresh and rounds out the wine. Thinking of getting a case.

[mosesbotbol]

This thread needs pictures!

Was looking through pictures I have on photobucket, but I can't find any recent wine pictures. Stumbled on this one from this summer at a local restaurant. Not a bad line up for a mid-week dinner!

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh39/mosesbotbol/troquet_small.jpg

[mosesbotbol]

Here's one more a Port night over the summer. Haven't been drinking as much port as I use to.

1904 Cockburn and 1957 Fonseca. Both were really great ports from not so big vintages. We used tongs on the 1908 Cockburn to preserve the cork. Can't remember if the that cork was branded, but I think it was.

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh39/mosesbotbol/99b77de1-208a-4915-8dcd-4d8152226f8e_zps826dbccf.jpg

[hammondc]

Good lord, those are some old bottles.

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Awesome stuff Moses! Thanks for sharing.

[CigarSquid]

Drinking on some Layer Cake Shiraz.

http://layercakewines.com/wine/shiraz/

[Gabe215]

With Cuban Custom Mareva

http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a588/GabeP215/Mobile%20Uploads/A59036D7-03E7-449F-98C3-F30096001A28_zpsgf2k4nwe.jpg

[GreekGodX]

My go to since September has been Groth Cabarnet.

[mosesbotbol]

Here's a nice picture of a port night I had in Scottsdale a few weeks ago. We smoked Sancho Sancho's and something else too... I think it was an '01 Punch RS that was out of this world...

Back to the wine.

1985 Niepoort - great wine, but not one of the best of that vintage
1985 Fonseca - one of the greatest vintage ports since 1970
1963 Graham's - classic vintage that is drinking pretty darn nice right now, '63 is a solid vintage in general

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh39/mosesbotbol/AZtrio_zpseeb25fde.jpg

[Felixcigar]

I enjoyed a bottle of Oberon Cabernet recently: very nice.

[Sweet_Leaf_PDX]

I've been enjoying Terra d'Oro Zinfandel Port (http://terradorowinery.com/zinfandel-port.php). It pairs wonderfully with a cigar!

[RWhisenand]

Here's a nice picture of a port night I had in Scottsdale a few weeks ago. We smoked Sancho Sancho's and something else too... I think it was an '01 Punch RS that was out of this world...

Back to the wine.

1985 Niepoort - great wine, but not one of the best of that vintage
1985 Fonseca - one of the greatest vintage ports since 1970
1963 Graham's - classic vintage that is drinking pretty darn nice right now, '63 is a solid vintage in general

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh39/mosesbotbol/AZtrio_zpseeb25fde.jpg


The very first port I've had was a Fonseca '85. It was amazing! I've never had a finer port since.

[mosesbotbol]

The very first port I've had was a Fonseca '85. It was amazing! I've never had a finer port since.

Most never will; '85 Fonseca is one of the greatest post War ports.

[massphatness]

Drinking a lot of Agiano Super Tuscan recently
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[mosesbotbol]

Had 1971 Ch. Montrose last night. Holding up quite well.

[Gabe215]

Just bought my first Port, Taylor Fladgate 10 year Tawney bottled in '12, off research. Also how long does Port stay good for after opening I have a stopper with a pump to take air out? I've heard different things online and would like your guys advice, if you don't want to clog up the thread with advice you can PM me! Thanks everyone!

[pnoon]

Just bought my first Port, Taylor Fladgate 10 year Tawney bottled in '12, off research. Also how long does Port stay good for after opening I have a stopper with a pump to take air out? I've heard different things online and would like your guys advice, if you don't want to clog up the thread with advice you can PM me! Thanks everyone!

6-8 weeks should be fine.
For me, it never lasts more than a few days to a week.

[Gabe215]

Thanks Peter, also I read that people store open bottles in the fridge (red wine in the fridge?) is this more for people that store it for months on end for cooking purposes only?

[Gabe215]

PA Vintage Quality Cab! Will be interesting!!
http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a588/GabeP215/D673B197-BC34-4D9F-AF95-CFEA57ED0A4D_zpsflskcvfg.jpg (http://s1285.photobucket.com/user/GabeP215/media/D673B197-BC34-4D9F-AF95-CFEA57ED0A4D_zpsflskcvfg.jpg.html)

[mosesbotbol]

Never had a wine from PA, pretty neat.

VA is making some great wines, especially Barboursville Vineyards in Charlottesville, Virginia. Their wines are a tremendous value and will be widely heralded in the decades to come. Build a collection now and you'll be sitting pretty as prices skyrocket and availability of older vintages is scarce.

[Gabe215]

I'm no where near as knowledgeable as most on this thread but drink around 2-3 bottles of red wine a week (mostly Shiraz, Malbec, and some Cabs) and this was hands down the best Cab I've ever had, bought it at their winery- they ship if anyone's interested http://www.pennswoodsevents.com, having my first ever Tawney Port cigar combo with a RASCC def will not be that last time I pair a cigar with Port!!

[Gabe215]

Bump, and a pic of what I've drank in the past couple weeks, really enjoying Porto!!
http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a588/GabeP215/9CD6DFBB-C4D8-4937-8D63-9D4BC31CD246_zpskmh8t8zw.jpg (http://s1285.photobucket.com/user/GabeP215/media/9CD6DFBB-C4D8-4937-8D63-9D4BC31CD246_zpskmh8t8zw.jpg.html)

[pnoon]

Nice selection, Gabe.
The TF 10 is a nice tawny port. If you liked it and can spend the extra $$$, try the 20.

[Porch Dweller]

I'm not an experienced port drinker, but I've had that Graham's Six Grapes and quite enjoyed it.

[Navydoc]

Late Harvest Ports are also a cheap way to see what the Vintage version of the same wine will develop into. Vintage ports only spend 2 years in barrel whereas late bottled ports spend 4 years in barrel

[Gabe215]

Peter will def try that at some point, 10 yr was fantastic

Paul thanks went to total wine in Delaware the other week which trumps the shitty state run liquor here in PA, and I saw the LBV bottles there which I've never seen before and after hearing this I will buy next week when I go there to stock up!!

[mosesbotbol]

6 Grapes is quite popular basic ruby port. Another one to consider is Noval Black; similarly priced. Taylor 10 is a solid 10 year tawny. You may want to try Ferreira or Ramos Pinto which are also among the best in the category. Each one of Taylor's tawny with an indication of age reflect well on what they are trying to accomplish.

Remember that 10 year tawny is not actually 10 years old. A sample is evaluated by the IDVP to represent a style of what a 10 year old tawny should taste like. They are mix of different aged colheitas blended to taste "10 years old".

[Gabe215]

Thanks Moses, I enjoy Tawney more than the 6 grapes, Sandeman surprised me on how good it was! And I had no idea, I thought 10 yr Tawney were aged 10 years in barrels. Plethora of knowledge on this website, thanks again, Love this place!

[pnoon]

thanks moses, i enjoy tawney more than the 6 grapes, sandeman surprised me on how good it was! And i had no idea, i thought 10 yr tawney were aged 10 years in barrels. Plethora of knowledge on this website, thanks again, love this place!

ynwa ;)

[Navydoc]

For those who,love aussie shiraz like I do the 2012 vintage is another great year....look for Mollydooker's Carnival of Love....some sources have it for $38 a bottle....95 points by parker

[hammondc]

The Show Cabernet. One of my favorite 'house' wines.

[The Poet]

For those who,love aussie shiraz like I do the 2012 vintage is another great year....look for Mollydooker's Carnival of Love....some sources have it for $38 a bottle....95 points by parker


Really? Carnival of Love normally goes for 2X that. That's a great price, and a great source you have found.

[Gabe215]

I was thinking the same thing, I love Aussie wines and Carnival of Love is $70+ A bottle, is it an online retailer you have found this price on?

[mosesbotbol]

Not a fan Aussie wines in general. That being said, Torbreck is one of my favorite Aussie producers. They have something good at all price points.

[RWhisenand]

Enjoying a bottle of Clos du Bois North Coast Zinandel. Great wine with my dinner tonight. Now to pick out a cigar for afterwards.

[Gabe215]

Question for the experienced Vintage Port drinkers! Being from a state run liquor store state I usually go to Delaware or NJ to stock up and my favorite store in DE has a HUGE (1.5L?) bottle of Warre's 1985 Vintage Port for $160 tax free shopping in Delaware too! One is this a good price for this vintage? And secondly this will be my first bottle of vintage port and was wondering if the same rules that apply to non vintage port work with vintage port as well like being able to drink out of an opened bottle for at least 2 weeks before it starts to go bad? Any and all info appreciated!!

[mosesbotbol]

Question for the experienced Vintage Port drinkers! Being from a state run liquor store state I usually go to Delaware or NJ to stock up and my favorite store in DE has a HUGE (1.5L?) bottle of Warre's 1985 Vintage Port for $160 tax free shopping in Delaware too! One is this a good price for this vintage? And secondly this will be my first bottle of vintage port and was wondering if the same rules that apply to non vintage port work with vintage port as well like being able to drink out of an opened bottle for at least 2 weeks before it starts to go bad? Any and all info appreciated!!

'85 Warres is a great vintage port, one of better ones of that vintage. Elegant and floral, Warres is a classy "feminine" style of port. You'll have about 4-5 days to drink that bottle once opened. As for price, it is no giveaway, but not a rip off either. Best way to keep the bottle is to pour the whole bottle through cheesecloth into a decanter. Rinse the 1.5 bottle out with just water then pour the port back into the bottle. Figure half a bottle a night and you'll done in time. Enjoy.

I would wait at least 6-7 hours before the first glass. It's best to pour (after you did the decanter thing) and half bottle's worth out each time and keep the magnum with a cork in it.

[pnoon]

"feminine" style of port.

:confused:
What does that mean? I've never heard that term used for wine beofre.

[Gabe215]

Thank you for the info, maybe I'll see if they have a 750 ml bottle, I didn't notice if they had a smaller bottle as I couldn't take my eyes off the magnum. I might be able to finish it off in 4-5 days if I have guests over, I've developed a love for port but that's a lot in a short amount of time, maybe wait to open during holidays! Vintage ports have driven corks correct? Also I bought one of these, will this do the trick for decanting, haven't used it yet I got this for an unfiltered LBV I have yet to open?
http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a588/GabeP215/4D6C88C0-A0B2-454C-B5DA-5EF16ECD9241_zpsq9fwulvr.jpg (http://s1285.photobucket.com/user/GabeP215/media/4D6C88C0-A0B2-454C-B5DA-5EF16ECD9241_zpsq9fwulvr.jpg.html)

[Gabe215]

Oh and went through a bottle of this tonight, wee bit better than 6 grapes!!
http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a588/GabeP215/D4A538AD-9A52-479D-941E-2374E47FCF29_zpsmmjghi8z.jpg (http://s1285.photobucket.com/user/GabeP215/media/D4A538AD-9A52-479D-941E-2374E47FCF29_zpsmmjghi8z.jpg.html)

[mosesbotbol]

:confused:
What does that mean? I've never heard that term used for wine beofre.

Softer, elegant, "pretty", finesse vs. a more brutish powerful style like Taylor. The most common producers that are known to have a feminine style or port are Ferreira and Warres. This is not negative term to describe wine at all.

[mosesbotbol]

Thank you for the info, maybe I'll see if they have a 750 ml bottle, I didn't notice if they had a smaller bottle as I couldn't take my eyes off the magnum. I might be able to finish it off in 4-5 days if I have guests over, I've developed a love for port but that's a lot in a short amount of time, maybe wait to open during holidays! Vintage ports have driven corks correct? Also I bought one of these, will this do the trick for decanting, haven't used it yet I got this for an unfiltered LBV I have yet to open?


Geez, when I have port nights are my house, we plan on 1 to 1.5 bottles per person and don't leave until it's all finished....

The only way to really open up a wine (or port) is to pour in a decanter, swirl it around a couple of times and just wait it out. That bottle of '85 Warres has been in a bottle almost 30 years, it takes some time to come out of its nap and should not be rushed. The funnel will help open the wine up, but so will making sure the wine goes down the side of the decanter in a thin sheen. Make the wine go down the sides of the decanter, not directly to the bottom.

If you do buy the magnum, you can leave bottle upright and just pour out what you want for the night into a decanter and try not to unsettle what is in the decanter. You might get a few more days out of the magnum if you prevent aeration. Honestly, I think you'll enjoy the port more if you get a chance to drink more than just a glass or two. Try really "going for it" and enjoy the experience. Remember, at least 6-7 hours in the decanter before the main event. Make sure to try port from when you first decant until serving time to educate you on how it changes over time.

That's going to be a fun night of port. :tu

[Gabe215]

Thanks Moses!! You are the man and have taught me a lot since my journey into red wines through your PM's with me way back, and with port on this thread, thank you very much!! Considering I drank that whole bottle of Cockburns SR last night I'm sure I'll put a hurting on that Vintage, and as you said I will definitely "go for it" lol.

[mosesbotbol]

Thanks Moses!! You are the man and have taught me a lot since my journey into red wines through your PM's with me way back, and with port on this thread, thank you very much!! Considering I drank that whole bottle of Cockburns SR last night I'm sure I'll put a hurting on that Vintage, and as you said I will definitely "go for it" lol.

'85 Warres out of a magnum is going to be a fun experience. Wish I was there! I had a magnum of '70 Warres a few years ago. Doesn't come around that much. Grahams, Dow, & Fonseca are the best (along with Warres) of the vintage. Avoid Croft, Noval, and Sandeman for this vintage. Odd times for port in the early-mid 80's.

Things turned around for everyone by 1990 and has been producing excellent vintages steadily since.

[Gabe215]

Went down today and bought the magnum, just a few more questions, one is when I bought it, the store was storing all the vintage ports standing upright, not how I thought they were supposed to be laying Down with the white wax facing up. Since the bottle is so old is there a chance the cork dried up and the port spoiled? I doubt the bottle has been in the store for 29 years, but who knows?? Also when you said to decant for 6-7 hours before drinking do you mean in an open top decanter to aerate the wine or one that has a glass lid to pour and strain then put the lid on? Thanks

[mosesbotbol]

Went down today and bought the magnum, just a few more questions, one is when I bought it, the store was storing all the vintage ports standing upright, not how I thought they were supposed to be laying Down with the white wax facing up. Since the bottle is so old is there a chance the cork dried up and the port spoiled? I doubt the bottle has been in the store for 29 years, but who knows?? Also when you said to decant for 6-7 hours before drinking do you mean in an open top decanter to aerate the wine or one that has a glass lid to pour and strain then put the lid on? Thanks

I doubt it has been standing up that long either and it's fine if it stays standing for the short term as well.

Yes, the 6-7 hours is in a decanter poured from the magnum through a layer of cheesecloth.

Easiest method is to pour the whole magnum into a decanter (or whatever glass container large enough - even 2 different ones) with cheesecloth. Rinse the magnum out with just cold water to get all sediment out of it. Pour the port back into the magnum. Take a small initial glass for a "pop and pour taste". Continue taking very small glasses hourly until 6-7 hour minimum period before serving. You'll get to see how the port evolves over time.

[Gabe215]

My Latest Purchases!!
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[pektel]

I haven't had port in a couple years. Now I know what I'll be looking for tonight after work.

[mosesbotbol]

Wow, that magnum looks awesome and Vesuvio is pretty good too. I have a 6 pack foot locker of the '08 Vesuvio, but have never tried one. I like to wait 20 years before opening a Vintage port.

I visited Quinta Vesuvio in 2010, what a majestic property. For those who don't know, the Douro valley where port is made is the most awe inspiring wine region there is. Port is grown in schist, on terraced cliffs made hand carved over many centuries. It's one of the greatest feats by mankind and could never be done again. You will have a life long fondness and appreciation of port if you ever visit. Port is a relative bargain for the labor and love it takes to make port. Virtually all of the grapes have to be hand picked.

http://media.bridgesandballoons.com/Images/2012/10/Douro-valley.jpg

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This goes on for 100+ miles along the Douro river!

[Gabe215]

Thanks for the pics, was watching a documentary on YouTube about Port and your right the Duoro Valley looks majestic and one place I would love to visit one day! I have a feeling I won't be able wait 16 years to open that port, one day I hope to be on your level Moses!! I just got a new job today with a senior role drinking Catena Malbec!

[mosesbotbol]

Thanks for the pics, was watching a documentary on YouTube about Port and your right the Duoro Valley looks majestic and one place I would love to visit one day! I have a feeling I won't be able wait 16 years to open that port, one day I hope to be on your level Moses!! I just got a new job today with a senior role drinking Catena Malbec!

Congrat's on you new job. If you drink the Vesuvio before then, let it decant over night at least.

If you visit one wine region, the Douro is the place to go. Very old world and not so touristy at all. Heck, they didn't even have electricity out there until 1970's!

[Gabe215]

Thank you, I will be drinking it before then and will do, thanks for the knowledge as always Moses!

[mosesbotbol]

In the pictures shown, it takes 2 people (slaves), over a week create a 10 foot section. Imagine the labor and toll it took to create the valley going back to the 12th century.

[Gabe215]

NOBODY TELL MY FIANCÉ THESE WERE A GREAT PRICE BUT STILL EXPENSIVE!!!
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[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Beautiful bottle of '85 Warre's, Gabe

[mosesbotbol]

Speaking on vintage port magnums, I recently picked up a case of 1975 Grahams Vintage Port in its original wooden case (OWC). Haven't had '75 Grahams in a 4-5 years and having a magnum format is pretty rare. Not their best vintage, but by itself is quite lovely.

Picked up 4-5 other cases of port, but that is another post...

[mc808]

One of my all time favorites is the 1955 Taylor. I was fortunate enough to taste it several times. The oldest port I tasted was a 1890 Dow but it was a little past it's prime.

[Gabe215]

Moses, if your willing to offload anything woth while at a somewhat worthwhile price PM me I'd love to cellardive what you have PM me oh master!! Thanks - Gabriel P!!

[mosesbotbol]

One of my all time favorites is the 1955 Taylor. I was fortunate enough to taste it several times. The oldest port I tasted was a 1890 Dow but it was a little past it's prime.

'55 is a great vintage in general. All the big names had a good bottle that year. I've never had a Dow that old; I think 1900 & 1935 may have been the oldest. Speaking of Dow, I just picked up a case of 1970. Excellent port that does not get as much hype as Taylor, Fonseca and Graham, but should.

It's equal to or better than '63 and costs less. If you want something newer, 1994 or 2003 are great.

[mosesbotbol]

Moses, if your willing to offload anything woth while at a somewhat worthwhile price PM me I'd love to cellardive what you have PM me oh master!! Thanks - Gabriel P!!

How about if you are in Boston we will share a vintage?

[Chainsaw13]

Every time I come back from Argentina, I get on a small wine kick. Not much of a wine drinker, but I do like Malbec. Been on a hunt to find a bottle of DV Catena. Had it recommended to me, and almost picked up a bottle at the airport.

Stopped by a local store yesterday and picked up a bottle of '08 Fabre Montmayou and '11 Catena. As was explained to me by the gent at the store, the Catena family produces a lot of different wines. So the bottle I picked up isn't the exact one I'm looking for, it should still be good. And I'll be headed back to Argentina in February. Now I just need to grill me up a nice steak.

[mc808]

'55 is a great vintage in general. All the big names had a good bottle that year. I've never had a Dow that old; I think 1900 & 1935 may have been the oldest. Speaking of Dow, I just picked up a case of 1970. Excellent port that does not get as much hype as Taylor, Fonseca and Graham, but should.

It's equal to or better than '63 and costs less. If you want something newer, 1994 or 2003 are great.

I agree with you on Dow. I consider it one of the Big Four along with Fonseca, Taylor and Graham.

I also like the single quinta ports from these producers as they are great values.

[nutcracker]

Nice pairing - Kobe beef burgery with a nice CNdP (La Vieu Telegraph)

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The La Crau is a 2006, which has aged superbly - nice tannic backbone still there and an excellent balance of mineral and fruit.

[Gabe215]

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[mosesbotbol]

How was the Noble One? Is that an Aussie "Sticky"? Semillon wines are yummy.

I've had the Noval Black before. Can't say it's one of my favorites at its price point, but other like it. It's selling well. I am just not a Noval ruby fan; I can't say I own one VP from them - not even a Nacional. Nacional outside of the 1980's are fantastic; rite of passage. I prefer their wood aged ports in general.

Look for Ferreira's Reserve ports at similar prices. Cockburn and Fonseca have a good ruby reserve. Ventozelo has a great one if you can find it. Very well done.

[mosesbotbol]

Drinking a 1970 Offley Boa Vista VP. Bottled in London. Pretty good. Nice color, delicate with baking spices and light acidity. Was never one of the heavy hitters of the vintage, but not many have had it. Tuesday we had a 1970 Gonzalez Byass VP. Better than Offley and had some wonderful sweet blueberry notes on he 2nd day. Very smooth spirit.

[Gabe215]

I agree the Noval Black wasn't the best in its price range and should've grabbed Cockburns. As for the Noble One I have yet to open it waiting to crack that open, it was at a great price point, all I know it's an Aussie desert wine and I've heard great things about, crazy how dark it is, it's the color of a white wine when new. Very jealous of your VP tastings!!

[icehog3]

I'm cold. It's crappy out. I nned a nap.



Oops, sorry. Thought this was the "whine" thread. :)

[mosesbotbol]

Very jealous of your VP tastings!!

I have been sampling some bottles from cases I bought over the last few months. We are invited to an early Thanksgiving this Sunday. I am bringing a 1970 Dow and 1980 Diamond Creek.

I leave for Singapore on Monday, so want to drink as much port as I can before I go. Fine wine and port is not cheap in there. Nor is the desire to drink it when it's hot and humid outside. Cigars aren't cheap either. Seemed like they were more expensive than Canada for instance.

[Gabe215]

Tonight..

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[pnoon]

YNDA Gabe ;)

[Gabe215]

Thank Peter, the good times are coming!! Walk on!!!

[mosesbotbol]

Thank Peter, the good times are coming!! Walk on!!!

How was the Fonseca? I'd imagine it would take 24 hours in decanter to shine.

[Gabe215]

It was very tasty and smooth!! Yea I should've let it sit for longer only let it sit for 2 hours, didn't plan on opening it. Moses when you tell me to decant 6 -24 hours. Am I supposed to use the decanter /aerator I have pictured with a large opening with no lid, or am I supposed to use one with a lid/filter and pour back in the bottle? I'm plan on busting out the '85 vintage during the holidays.

[mosesbotbol]

It was very tasty and smooth!! Yea I should've let it sit for longer only let it sit for 2 hours, didn't plan on opening it. Moses when you tell me to decant 6 -24 hours. Am I supposed to use the decanter /aerator I have pictured with a large opening with no lid, or am I supposed to use one with a lid/filter and pour back in the bottle? I'm plan on busting out the '85 vintage during the holidays.

Two hours is like nothing on the Fonseca.

Well, it depends. With the Fonseca, you could've left it in the decanter with a cloth over the opening to keep flies from going into it for 24 hours.

What I and many do is pour a bottle through cheese cloth into a decanter, rinse the original bottle out with just water and then pour the port back into the bottle. If you did that with Fonseca, 24-48 hours then drink. Always best to take a little sip here and there to see how it evolves.

The '85 (Warres, correct)?, I would leave in the decanter for 6-7 hours and drink or decant back in the bottle the night before. '85 is generally a great vintage, but some producers made junk that year like Croft, Sandeman, and Noval; avoid those. Talyor, Fonseca, Grahams, Dow, Warres, Ramos Pinto, Ferreira, a few others made great stuff that is a good value.

Heck, why pay $80 for a 2011 vintage when you can buy '85 for the same price? Even if you age it another 20-30 years, which one would you want to drink more in 30 years? I'll take the '85. I generally won't buy any VP past 2000; why bother?

[Gabe215]

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[Gabe215]

Bump were are my winos at?? http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a588/GabeP215/Mobile%20Uploads/14F90DD8-D77B-4B65-A0E4-3CB9244F3621_zpsnwjwpi4r.jpg (http://s1285.photobucket.com/user/GabeP215/media/Mobile%20Uploads/14F90DD8-D77B-4B65-A0E4-3CB9244F3621_zpsnwjwpi4r.jpg.html)

[pnoon]

I think they were scared off by the enormous pictures.
:2

;)

[Gabe215]

Sorry that's just how mine post!

[pnoon]

Sorry that's just how mine post!

You can resize them before posting.
:2

[Gabe215]

For being 28 years old I'm not that tech savvy so just deal with my big pics LOL YNWA how bout Diego Costa getting fined for what happened to Emre Can Walk on Perer with your head held up high!!

[pnoon]

For being 28 years old I'm not that tech savvy so just deal with my big pics LOL YNWA how bout Diego Costa getting fined for what happened to Emre Can Walk on Perer with your head held up high!!

:tu

One of these days we should Skype Herf and I'll walk you through the process.

[AdamJoshua]

Gabe you can also just click the "Go Advanced" button under the text entry box, from there you can add an attachment by clicking manage attachments, it will let you browse your machine, select the picture and upload it in a thumbnail version, people will see it full sized when they click on it... thusly ...

[Gabe215]

No large pictures, just a bump! First warm day of the year here in the Philly Suburbs, went for a walk with an Opus X and Sandeman Founders Reserve

[mosesbotbol]

No large pictures, just a bump! First warm day of the year here in the Philly Suburbs, went for a walk with an Opus X and Sandeman Founders Reserve

You were walking around with a bottle or glass of port?

[jonumberone]

No large pictures, just a bump! First warm day of the year here in the Philly Suburbs, went for a walk with an Opus X and Sandeman Founders Reserve

You were walking around with a bottle or glass of port?

He said he's from the Philly Suburbs, so you know he was drinking right out of the bottle. ;)
I've seen Keith do this many times. :r:r

[Gabe215]

Hahaha not the bottle but yes a glass of Port.

[nutcracker]

A Santa Barbara great. This 2006 Sea Smoke Pinot is a fantastic example of California Pinot if the alcohol level is controlled. Santa Rita Hills can surprise.
Delicious, with wonderful bouquet.

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[mosesbotbol]

I like the older style Pinot's made in CA. I've had plenty bottles of Beaulieu Vineyard Beaumont Pinot Noir from the 1960's and early 70's that were ringers for Burgundy if served blind. I pick them up whenever I see them. CA's problem is not the grapes, but the wine making techniques. The golden age of Napa, they would mimic France's wine making style and they are still the best wines from CA (compared to today).

The tide is turning though. Wine makers are slowing "de-Parkerizing" their wines and hopefully the selection of classic Pinot Noir will grow.

[nutcracker]

Agreed. The over extractin and big heat have really bothered some Santa Rita wines. . Sea Smoke makes a nice contrast to the norm, seemingly behaving as a cooler climate area.

I'm not sure "Sideways" did us any favors, as everyone started making Pinot - but it's a finicky little berry and not everyone should!

[mosesbotbol]

I'm not sure "Sideways" did us any favors, as everyone started making Pinot - but it's a finicky little berry and not everyone should!

"Sideways" did a lot for me. It made epic older Merlot's from the early 90's and older very affordable. Plenty of excellent older Merlot floating around for great prices...

I just was outbid on some '92 Duckhorn Merlot Mag's for like $50 each. I think my bid was around $45... Kind of pissed I did not chase them, but it's not like I need any more wine...

[jjirons69]

Anybody worried about the recent studies that found arsenic in wine? Will this change your drinking habits?

[JohnnyFlake]

Anybody worried about the recent studies that found arsenic in wine? Will this change your drinking habits?

No, it's an over hype!!!

It won't change my wine drinking at all!

[hammondc]

"sideways" did a lot for me. It made epic older merlot's from the early 90's and older very affordable. Plenty of excellent older merlot floating around for great prices...

I just was outbid on some '92 duckhorn merlot mag's for like $50 each. I think my bid was around $45... Kind of pissed i did not chase them, but it's not like i need any more wine...

ttttrrrruuuuth!!!!

[mosesbotbol]

Anybody worried about the recent studies that found arsenic in wine? Will this change your drinking habits?

Arsenic is organic, as is copper which is also used a lot. Don't buy 2 Buck Chuck and the like.

[Gabe215]

Drinking a home made Lodi Ranch Cab Sav and Broadbent Rainwater Madiera (first time ever drinking Madiera)

[JohnnyFlake]

Drinking a home made Lodi Ranch Cab Sav and Broadbent Rainwater Madiera (first time ever drinking Madiera)

I truly hope you enjoy the Madeira. Leacock's Rainwater Madeira is my go to, with respect to Madeira.

If you enjoy it, I recommend that you try Blandy's Malmsey 5yo Madeira, very rich and flavorful. Also, for a special treat, try Sandeman Fine Rich Madeira. It's exceptional.

If you try them, I'd love to hear what you think of them.

[mosesbotbol]

With Madeira, I would suggest a 10 year minimum. Rainwater and 5 year just don't cut it for me... I'd rather drink Sherry at that price point.

I really like Broadbent's Colheita Madeira or 10 year. Their 10 year is the best value in Madeira as a whole IMO. D'Oliveira's 10 year is a close 2nd place.

If you had to drink a 5 year, Broadbent's probably your best bet. I haven't been a fan Blandy's "bread and butter" Madeira's and don't like the 500 ML bottles.

[JohnnyFlake]

With Madeira, I would suggest a 10 year minimum. Rainwater and 5 year just don't cut it for me... I'd rather drink Sherry at that price point.

I really like Broadbent's Colheita Madeira or 10 year. Their 10 year is the best value in Madeira as a whole IMO. D'Oliveira's 10 year is a close 2nd place.

If you had to drink a 5 year, Broadbent's probably your best bet. I haven't been a fan Blandy's "bread and butter" Madeira's and don't like the 500 ML bottles.

Thanks for your opinions. We all have them and they are very subjective. What one likes, others may not. That is why tastings are what it takes, to truly find out what one likes.

[mosesbotbol]

Thanks for your opinions. We all have them and they are very subjective. What one likes, others may not. That is why tastings are what it takes, to truly find out what one likes.

Rainwater and 5 Year are bottom of the barrel of Madeira; regardless of the producer. I do not believe Sandeman is selling anything beyond the most basic variety.

The other Madeira that is worth of mention without being too expensive is the Rare Wine Company Historic series. They range from dry to sweet. I think there is like 5-6 different ones. They are produced by Barbeito, which I think is one of the better vintage producers. I like their dry to medium editions the best.

If you want to spend a little more without being crazy... 1977 D'Oliveira Terrantez Madeira at around $150 or 1968 Vintage are two excellent ones.

As a whole, Madeira has climbed in price similar to what 1er Cru Bordeaux has and may be out of sight in the near future. 19th century bottles for like $200 are long gone...

[JohnnyFlake]

Rainwater and 5 Year are bottom of the barrel of Madeira; regardless of the producer. I do not believe Sandeman is selling anything beyond the most basic variety.

The other Madeira that is worth of mention without being too expensive is the Rare Wine Company Historic series. They range from dry to sweet. I think there is like 5-6 different ones. They are produced by Barbeito, which I think is one of the better vintage producers. I like their dry to medium editions the best.

If you want to spend a little more without being crazy... 1977 D'Oliveira Terrantez Madeira at around $150 or 1968 Vintage are two excellent ones.

As a whole, Madeira has climbed in price similar to what 1er Cru Bordeaux has and may be out of sight in the near future. 19th century bottles for like $200 are long gone...

Again, I thank you for your thoughts. Obviously your taste and wallet are far above my range. I am quite happy with 5yo and 10yo Malmsey and the Rainwater. Personally, I will not spend over $30/$35 for any bottle of Wine.
However, it's a whole different story, when it comes to Bourbons, Scotches, etc. But then again, that's just me!

[Porch Dweller]

Smoke what you like, like what you smoke. :D

[mosesbotbol]

Again, I thank you for your thoughts. Obviously your taste and wallet are far above my range. I am quite happy with 5yo and 10yo Malmsey and the Rainwater. Personally, I will not spend over $30/$35 for any bottle of Wine.
However, it's a whole different story, when it comes to Bourbons, Scotches, etc. But then again, that's just me!

You should be able to find 10 year Madeira for $30ish. I was buying D'Oliveira's 10 year for $25. Broadbent 10 for under $40 is a good buy.

What kind of Scotch could one buy under $35 that is worth talking about? There's no spirit that can compete with depth & length of flavors of a great Madeira, but they are just different animals.

I am gifted a lot of nice spirits, but hardly ever drink them. My girlfriend is more into them than I. Recently I added a little Arbeg Supernova to our bottle of JW Black and boy it did it transform the Black to another level. I hardly added any. I was told the Black use to use more of it like 40 years ago... Thought I'd try to recreate that blend...

[JohnnyFlake]

You should be able to find 10 year Madeira for $30ish. I was buying D'Oliveira's 10 year for $25. Broadbent 10 for under $40 is a good buy.

What kind of Scotch could one buy under $35 that is worth talking about? There's no spirit that can compete with depth & length of flavors of a great Madeira, but they are just different animals.

I am gifted a lot of nice spirits, but hardly ever drink them. My girlfriend is more into them than I. Recently I added a little Arbeg Supernova to our bottle of JW Black and boy it did it transform the Black to another level. I hardly added any. I was told the Black use to use more of it like 40 years ago... Thought I'd try to recreate that blend...

The only Scotch that's in the $35 range, worthy of mention, is JW Black. It's my go to Scotch. Nothing else I can think of.

That's interesting about adding Arberg to the JW Black. Do you think that the heavy peat is what makes the change to another level?

Do you think adding a small percentage, maybe an 80% Black to a 20% Talisker would work? I don't have any Arberg.

[Gabe215]

Went to Total Wine tonight got- Warres 2001 LBV (unfiltered), Greek Cellars Mavrodaphne, and Sandeman Fine Rich Madiera

Moses- Thank you for your input as always when I'm more financially set I will def be trying some of your suggestions at TW I saw Broadbent Colheita Madiera but was not in my budget I bet much so enjoyed the Madiera I had the other night, are other there other Madieras (dryer kinds?) that have a little more body to them? It is a nice change of pace from Porto and yet similar I will be adding Madieras to routine!

John- also thanks for your input as well your the reason I got the Sandeman Fine Rich!

[mosesbotbol]

The only Scotch that's in the $35 range, worthy of mention, is JW Black. It's my go to Scotch. Nothing else I can think of.

That's interesting about adding Arberg to the JW Black. Do you think that the heavy peat is what makes the change to another level?

Do you think adding a small percentage, maybe an 80% Black to a 20% Talisker would work? I don't have any Arberg.

Start with 5% Ardbeg or Lagavulin (any heavy peet Scotch) and see how that goes. Maybe 10% max. Not much is needed at all really. I served the "improved" Black blind to someone and they knew right away in a good way something was different.

[mosesbotbol]

Went to Total Wine tonight got- Warres 2001 LBV (unfiltered), Greek Cellars Mavrodaphne, and Sandeman Fine Rich Madiera

Moses- Thank you for your input as always when I'm more financially set I will def be trying some of your suggestions at TW I saw Broadbent Colheita Madiera but was not in my budget I bet much so enjoyed the Madiera I had the other night, are other there other Madieras (dryer kinds?) that have a little more body to them? It is a nice change of pace from Porto and yet similar I will be adding Madieras to routine!

John- also thanks for your input as well your the reason I got the Sandeman Fine Rich!

My favorite styles of Madeira Verdelho, Terrantez (everyone loves that one), and Bual. Sercial is nice (drier version). Verdelho is a good balance if you like them on the sweeter side. Malmsey is the sweetest. Since the Madeira doesn't go bad once open, consider the purchase more like a Scotch. You can buy one fancier bottle and then move on to the 5-10 year after. Always end the night with Madeira. If you start with Madeira and then go Port; the acidity in the Madeira will overwhelm the flavors you get the Port.

I like to line up a night's tasting in order of acidity (weak to strong).

[Gabe215]

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[mosesbotbol]

That looks to be the Madeira in your glass, no?

[Gabe215]

Si Senior

[Chainsaw13]

I don't drink a lot of wines, but this is one of my favorites. Paired so well with my steak dinner. Good thing I'm headed back to Argentina next month.

[mosesbotbol]

I don't drink a lot of wines, but this is one of my favorites. Paired so well with my steak dinner. Good thing I'm headed back to Argentina next month.

Haven't that wine, but Catena is one of the most famous producers from the region. I'd imagine it was indeed pretty good.

Do you bring any wine back from Argentina? I have a travel wine suit case I use for such purposes. Can hold 12 bottles.

[samnuts]

ah love the info! wine is something i want to get more into.

[Gabe215]

Mavrodaphne (Greek attempt at port) on the balcony of our hotel in Mykonos!
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[Porch Dweller]

What a view! I never had much luck with Greek wines when we vacationed there. I ended up just sticking with Metaxa. :D

[nutcracker]

Suffering, eh Gabe?

[Gabe215]

Stress is killing me Neil!

[mosesbotbol]

There's some good wine being made in Greece actually. Your picture looks like heaven...

[nutcracker]

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A 97 botrytisized Chenin from one of the most beautiful spots on earth.
Enjoyed in downtown Toronto (no contest for the Loire) at Barberiens

[nutcracker]

And this with a medium rare strip loin

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[mosesbotbol]

Le Mont and Cote Rotie.... Yes, with medium rare strip any night!!!

[nutcracker]

Don't cry for me Argentina...

It's an interesting phenomenon that things transported to different climates and terroir behave so differently. Cuban seed would be a fine example, where the identical species of plant tastes completely different when cultivated outside of Cuba.

Vines transplanted in the New World do the same thing. The classic example would be the finely structured Syrah grape form the Rhone that becomes the fruit forward, jammy, almost unrecognizable Aussie Shiraz.

Malbec was widely cultivated in France prior to phylloxera, and following the decimation of Bordeaux in the 19th century, was only modestly replanted and became overshadowed by Merlot and the Cabernets. A little to the South East, close to Bergerac is the Cahors region, Malbec remains king in the old world. Heavy, structured, tannic reds to have with your steak. Once in the New World, the same vines become fruit forward and less tannic. Argentine Malbec from Mendoza is all the rage.

Well I have a thing about Old World wines, especially with food. The Cahors I had last night would be a fine example of a wine for a meat dish. Now the assemblage of this particular wine has a dose of Tannat in it too (a brutally tannic grape), so we can't blame all of the backbone on Malbec.

If you haven't had a decent Cahors, I would suggest trying some. (The caveat being - only with food - some juicy steak, a hearty stew or duck confit.) Where the Bordelais have largely given up on Malbec, in Cahors they have persisted, and it really pays off.

Not big in North America - overshadowed by Mendoza - too bad really....

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[mosesbotbol]

Cahors is the only region for Malbec IMO. I do not like South America Malbec at all.

[nutcracker]

Cahors is the only region for Malbec IMO. I do not like South America Malbec at all.

Ah Moses! A kindred spirit! I challenged our local wine boutique to find a good Malbec from Mendoza. Turns out I'm a hard lad to please!

[mosesbotbol]

Ah Moses! A kindred spirit! I challenged our local wine boutique to find a good Malbec from Mendoza. Turns out I'm a hard lad to please!

My girlfriend can't stand Malbec, only having S. American bottles. Served her a Cahors and she loved it.

I find the same with Pinot and Syrah; Burgundy and N. Rhone are the best example and that's it.

[mc808]

While I do prefer old world wines, I find that many new world wines are very well made. It's often a case of terroir versus deliciousness and accessibility. Argentine Malbec does serve its purpose and is certainly a crowd pleaser though it may not measure up to your refined palates.

[nutcracker]

While I do prefer old world wines, I find that many new world wines are very well made. It's often a case of terroir versus deliciousness and accessibility. Argentine Malbec does serve its purpose and is certainly a crowd pleaser though it may not measure up to your refined palates.

Couldn't agree more. You only have to look at any wine list to see what sells. Crowd pleaser, especially as a "stand alone" without food, is quite a different thing to pairing up a wine of structure with a meal.

Makes it fun! I find it sad that folks stick to 3 or 4 favourites, instead of trying what the world has to offer.

[mosesbotbol]

Bud Light is number one, but is that a good beer? I do not like virtually any new world wines. Wines start in the vineyard and making wine is a time tested tradition that should not be messed around too much.

He had a nice Michele Chiarlo 2008 Barolo last night. Great buy at $28 at NH Liquor Store. Worth picking up a case if you are in that locale.

[mc808]

An ice cold Bud Light is perfectly fine for me as a refreshment on a blazing hot summer day. Vinho Verde, a classic style of Portuguese wine, is light, fresh, and not terribly complex but perfect for quaffing as well.

I agree that good wine starts in the vineyard. You can't make good wine without good grapes. But winemaking tradition has given way to technology. Some technology is good and some bad. I would guess there are probably less than 10% of traditional wine producers left in the world.

Good pick up on the 2008 Chiarlo Barolo! $28 is a great price. Much better than their overpriced Cannubi.

[mosesbotbol]

Good pick up on the 2008 Chiarlo Barolo! $28 is a great price. Much better than their overpriced Cannubi.

Picked up a case of 1979 Guigal Cote Rotie Brune et Blonde & 1988 Guigal Gigondas! Can't wait to start drinking them. These wines can really age well. :noon

[nutcracker]

Picked up a case of 1979 Guigal Cote Rotie Brune et Blonde & 1988 Guigal Gigondas! Can't wait to start drinking them. These wines can really age well. :noon

Wow - nice. The Brune et Blonde is hard to find here. Wonderful stuff. Proper Syrah!

[nutcracker]

Celebrating with my brother who is visiting from Johannesburg. Called for something special....

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[mosesbotbol]

^^ How was the it? ^^

[mosesbotbol]

Wow - nice. The Brune et Blonde is hard to find here. Wonderful stuff. Proper Syrah!

I plan to pick them up this week. Will report back after trying one. :noon

[nutcracker]

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Sublime. A fine King James Stilton with preserved ginger and a 30yr old vintage port.
We killed the entire bottle, no problem.
Amazing balance, intense flavours with decent fruit and silky aged tannins. Brilliant.

[mosesbotbol]

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Sublime. A fine King James Stilton with preserved ginger and a 30yr old vintage port.
We killed the entire bottle, no problem.
Amazing balance, intense flavours with decent fruit and silky aged tannins. Brilliant.

Nice! '85 Warre is a great vintage. We had a '63 Warre on Thursday at a restaurant and it was a little on the tawny side, but the '80 Graham made up for that with its youth.

Great line up to celebrate our Independence.

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[nutcracker]

Couple of nice a Burgundies there. How was the Les Malconsorts?

[mosesbotbol]

Couple of nice a Burgundies there. How was the Les Malconsorts?

Was solid. Lovely nose, but the finish was on the short side. Group was split on which Burgundy they like more. The Jadot had a better nose, but not as complex flavor. There was no clear front runner for WOTN.

The whole line up was for 4 people in total. I was feeling it the next day. I don't binge drink as much as I use to...

[nutcracker]

I have a hard time justifying a grand cru Cote de Nuits, so wondered about the Malconsorts as a decent premier cru.

[mc808]

Malconsorts is the vineyard next to La Tache and it's quality can approach Grand Cru level with pricing to match. Montille, Dujac, and Cathiard are the best.

I like the Les Suchots 1er cru for its value.

[mosesbotbol]

Malconsorts is the vineyard next to La Tache and it's quality can approach Grand Cru level with pricing to match. Montille, Dujac, and Cathiard are the best.

I like the Les Suchots 1er cru for its value.

I haven't had Dujac in a while :dr.

The importer for Malconsorts is down the road from me. I think we paid $35 for the bottle at the restaurant; I'll take it -(P.

[mosesbotbol]

Here's a picture of some wines we are having today. 1988 Guigal Gigondas. Beautiful wine with great nose, tea leaves and roses on the palette. Mature, but not over the hill. 2nd wine is 1985 Delas CdP. Just opened this one earlier, but so far is pretty good. Funky, earthy nose, great color. Should go well with dinner tonight.

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[nutcracker]

I'm a sucker for white CdP - can't say I've tried a 20yr old though.
Tonight a simple Zinck Alsatian Gewurtz - we're having curry !

The best wine for curry is beer.
Gewurtz might work - except my brother just chucked another chilli in the pot!

[nutcracker]

I haven't had Dujac in a while :dr.

The importer for Malconsorts is down the road from me. I think we paid $35 for the bottle at the restaurant; I'll take it -(P.

$35! I can't buy Malbec or Carminere plonk out of a box for that here in town!

[mosesbotbol]

I'm a sucker for white CdP - can't say I've tried a 20yr old though.

You mean 30yr old... I hardly drink anything under 20 years old...

Light crisp beer is good with Indian food. For SE Asian beer I like Tiger beer. Has to be hot outside.

[mosesbotbol]

Here's tonight's line up:
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I was moving a few things around the cellar and noticed this 1983 Ramos Pinto Vintag Port was the only leaker out of the bunch and it's been some time since I have this vintage. I am about to start on it. I had some sample glasses a few hours ago and it was quite rich and little spirity. Ramos VP's tend to be on the rich side. The 1979 Moillard Fixin was fun. Nose was inticing at first, and as I type this am about to finish the bottle. Burnt sugar notes and some fading flavors. Very mature Burgundy. Some floral notes. Went well enough with the grass fed eye roast we had for dinner. Leftover meat will make good sandwiches for work. Bought a small piece of Mahon cheese to have with the port. Not sure what cigar I will pair.

[mosesbotbol]

Waiting for Elys to get from work. She said she'll cook tonight. I do virtually most of the cooking. Why not a white wine? I don't drink as much of it as I should.

Here's fun a one; 1988 Ch. Couhins-Lurton - Graves. The nose honeysuckle and chalk, with dry light buttery finish. Liqueur quality to wine and have had the bottle open just 30 minutes. I opened a bottle of this the other week and cork pushed right in. The wine was oxidized and down the drain... This one is showing as expected.

Oh ya... she is making turkey burgers...

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[nutcracker]

Dinner at 529 Wellington. The best wine list in Western Canada...

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The Barsac was very good, but the Bordeaux was sublime. It is really peaking now, and was a first rate compliment to my tenderloin.....

[mosesbotbol]

Dinner at 529 Wellington. The best wine list in Western Canada...

The Barsac was very good, but the Bordeaux was sublime. It is really peaking now, and was a first rate compliment to my tenderloin.....

No kidding on the 2000 Paulliac; they are rocking right now for sure. How much were the bottles on their list if you don't mind?

We had a 2012 Dujac Morey St. Denis the other night at David Burke Steakhouse at Foxwoods. The bottle was only $112!!! :dr

[nutcracker]

The Pauilac was the last of an odd bin and I paid $160 - the invoice showing $120 discount.
I don't know the Barsac.

[mosesbotbol]

The Pauilac was the last of an odd bin and I paid $160 - the invoice showing $120 discount.
I don't know the Barsac.

That's an attractive price for that wine at a nice restaurant; good pick.

If a restaurant has a sommelier you can haggle a wine price down. Takes some chutzpah to do so, but you'd be surprised at the results.

Another good wine list tip is to search for wines that not typical for the kind of restaurant it is. Like ordering American wine at an Italian restaurant or French wine at a steak house.

Also, the cheapest wines on the list are solely there as sommelier pick as being a value. Mid priced or big names have to be on the list, but the bottom end is purely on what they liked at that price point.

[nutcracker]

It helps to know the som. He has helped me a lot over the years, as I pursued sommelier certification as an enthusiast not in the hospitality industry. He gave me lots of tips and blind tastings.

It's often "who you know" in this world....

[mosesbotbol]

It helps to know the som. He has helped me a lot over the years, as I pursued sommelier certification as an enthusiast not in the hospitality industry. He gave me lots of tips and blind tastings.

It's often "who you know" in this world....

Wow, did you receive any certification? I am just a casual wine drinker with a modest/small cellar. I been to some blind tasting and without no context, is very difficult to guess accurately. The cellaring aspect of wine can change how a wine shows. I don't really have any wine geek friends close by, so those exercises in refining my tasting notes moves at snail's pace.

Sure, my friends like wine, but nothing scholarly about them drinking a wine. No pad of paper for notes. ;s

I sometimes wonder why I bother bringing over 30+ year old clarets when they are all gushing over some 15% alcohol Zin I'd assume pour down the sink.

Last night, we had a 1996 Chateau de Beaucastel CdP. A muscular CdP with plenty of tannin that took a couple of hours to be really smooth and charming. Cork looked great. Had a little browning on the rim edge of glass, but not oxidized at all. I have about 4-5 more of this vintage and look forward to them... Been on a Rhone kick recently.

The other night was 1979 Guigal Cote Rotie Brune et Blonde that was rocking. Guigal was originally imported to the US, down the street from my house, so older vintages are floating around regularly. Cote Rotie is one of my favorite wine regions.

[nutcracker]

I've done quite a few courses in wines and spirits (WSET, CSW, CSS) and certified through US Sommelier Association. They can be hard if one is not in the industry and tasting daily. (Especially WSET)

For folks who are "eager amateurs" of French wine, the best course I have done is through the a french Wine Society. They run weekly lectures and tastings for 13 weeks (quite in depth) with a multiple choice exam at the end (no tasting exam) - they also do immersion courses in France. I'm currently trying for their Bourgogne Master level. It's a lot of fun, and I hope to head to Burgundy next summer just prior to that exam.

Anyone who is a fan of French wines needs to check this out:

https://www.frenchwinesociety.org

HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!

[mc808]

Those French Wine Society immersion trips look great!

I have an Advanced Sommelier certificate from the Court of Master Sommeliers and I have been in the industry for over 25 years but I am still learning something new every day.

[mosesbotbol]

I have an Advanced Sommelier certificate from the Court of Master Sommeliers and I have been in the industry for over 25 years but I am still learning something new every day.

What is your capacity in the wine industry?

The only one wine category I feel "confident" on is Port Wine. I have had most of the great 20th century vintages, and about 30-40% of my collection is Port going back to the 19th century.

This knowledge did not come cheap either. If I guessed, it would be over 100K in port personally consumed easily...

I assume you'd have to spend 3-4x to know Bordeaux or Burgundy to similar detail?

[mc808]

What is your capacity in the wine industry?

The only one wine category I feel "confident" on is Port Wine. I have had most of the great 20th century vintages, and about 30-40% of my collection is Port going back to the 19th century.

This knowledge did not come cheap either. If I guessed, it would be over 100K in port personally consumed easily...

I assume you'd have to spend 3-4x to know Bordeaux or Burgundy to similar detail?

I currently am the General Manager for six gourmet food/wine/cigar retail shops in Hawaii. I used to manage wine programs at hotels such as the Ritz Carlton in Kapalua.

Port is one of my weakest categories in terms of knowledge. You obviously have far more experience in Port than I. The oldest Port I've had was an 1890 Dow that was barely clinging to life. My favorite Port experience was staging a 1963 horizontal tasting of over two dozen wines with Michael Broadbent.

Drinking great wine is never cheap. I find it more economical to taste with like-minded individuals and share the expense.

[mosesbotbol]

Port is one of my weakest categories in terms of knowledge. You obviously have far more experience in Port than I. The oldest Port I've had was an 1890 Dow that was barely clinging to life. My favorite Port experience was staging a 1963 horizontal tasting of over two dozen wines with Michael Broadbent.

I have had 1890 Dow twice. Once is was a goner and the other time quite nice. 1900 Dow is an exceptional vintage if you can find it. That must've been an awesome horizontal of 1963; one of the greatest post war vintages. Michael Broadbent has a great portfolio of wines including Ferreira, Crasto, Musar, and their own branded Madeira (by Justinho). I have some various '63's, about 3 cases worth.

A couple of '63 Dow tregnum's would be most interesting I have of this vintage.

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[mc808]

Wow those big bottles are awesome!

[mosesbotbol]

Wow those big bottles are awesome!

Thanks. Been waiting for a time to open one. With vintage port, my mandate is it must be drunk down in one sitting.

I also have a 3000 ML bottle of 1977 Taylor in wood. That one is in the cellar, but you may've seen one before. I probably have about 2-3 cases of 1.5's, but those are pretty common...

[Gabe215]

Moses, do you buy all your bottled online? Or do you have a phenomenal distributor in Boston?

[mosesbotbol]

Moses, do you buy all your bottled online? Or do you have a phenomenal distributor in Boston?

Modern bottles are bought locally or online; being shipped to me in the fall or spring. There's some good online vendors for older stuff like HDH, Zachy's, Acker, Rare Wine Company; just to name a few.

I buy a lot of stuff at auction and have been doing so well over a decade. Always big gamble at auction and you should know what you are doing. I'd suggest a narrow focus and research on any Lot you may be interested in. I do both live an online auctions. Live auctions can yield the best results, but take the most amount of time and quick thinking. There could be a wine I wasn't initially interested in, but when it is up and no one bids on it, I will bottom feed and throw a low ball bid.

Some stuff I buy is from a distributor/importer who also buys out estates I am friends with. There's a couple of distributors that let me buy at their wholesale price which helps.

Other bottles are just from people I meet who have cellars they are clearing out.

[Gabe215]

Blandy's 5 year Special Dry Madiera

[mosesbotbol]

Blandy's 5 year Special Dry Madiera

What did you think of that? That is the minimum age for any Madeira I would drink. Probably wise to go with the drier style of Madeira at age.

Can you get Broadbent Madeira in your region? They make 5 year, but their 10 year is IMO the best Madeira for the money.

[Gabe215]

It was very good Moses this is my first Madiera with age, I've had Broadbent rainwater which I enjoyed a lot, and Sandeman Fine Rich which wasn't to my taste, reminded me of Sherry. So I have only those to compare it to but I really like it it's a nice change of pace to Port which is pretty much all I've been drinking lately. So yes I can get Broadbent but they do not stock 10 year but if they have it chances are they can order it. What kind should I ask for special dry? I'd like to try Bual also?
As always thanks for any and all input wise one!

[mosesbotbol]

So yes I can get Broadbent but they do not stock 10 year but if they have it chances are they can order it. What kind should I ask for special dry? I'd like to try Bual also?
As always thanks for any and all input wise one!

Broadbent has a few higher Madeira's. The 10 is medium sweet. I don't believe it's a single varietal like Bual. They also make a Colheita for around the same price, but I like the 10 better. I believe they also have a Terrantez that is well priced, and if so is worth all the money and then some. Terrantez may be the best Madeira varietal, but very rare and limited in production.

If you can get a 10 year and if you're feeling sporty the Terrantez, you'll be very satisfied for the purchase. If you can get the 10 for under $40, you are doing well. I like the Broadbent 10 better for the same money as RWC Historic Series Madeiras.

[Gabe215]

Broadbent 10 seems to come in Sercial and Malmsey, I'm assuming your referring to Sercial?

[GreekGodX]

If anyone is near NJ, I recommend going to the Wine Library. You can also order from their website. Great selection and their prices are even better. https://winelibrary.com

I went there this past weekend and stocked up on some different wines. Amazing customer service as well.

[mosesbotbol]

Broadbent 10 seems to come in Sercial and Malmsey, I'm assuming your referring to Sercial?

The Sercial is the drier one. I would get the Malmsey from them.

[Gabe215]

Efharisto Christos, I have family in Hoboken and Astoria Queens(I'm also Greek) I might have to make a pit stop there next time I head up there!

[mosesbotbol]

The Sercial is the drier one. I would get the Malmsey from them.

I just ordered a case online for $33 a bottled shipped. This vendor did not have on premises, so fingers crossed they can actually get it for that price.

My local B&M said Broadbent also has Bual and Verdelho. I really like Verdelho (semi-dry), but did not give me a price yet. I'll be happy with Malmsey at that price either way...

[mosesbotbol]

For those who like CdP (Chateauneuf du Pape), try "la Fiole du Pape". It is a non-vintage wine made of different vintages and bottled. It can be aged, but is ready to drink when bottled. Very good CdP you don't have to worry about a vintage or sitting on the bottle.

Cool looking bottle to boot. Recommended for under $30

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[Gabe215]

No activity on here since the first week of November!?!?!?
Went to the best PA Liquor store today any picked these up!!
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[mosesbotbol]

How's the Fuerheerd? That's a rare brand! I have never had their tawny before; only one or two vintages. Does it say when it was bottled?

I know the Broadbent is good; I buy that one all the time.

[Gabe215]

Is it?? I see it all the time and usually pass by it, I went specifically for that Madeira off your recommendation, and was planning to get a cheap Tawny (sandemans) and they were out all they had was TF 10 and for $10 less I reached for Fuerheerd. I only had a small glass to try it and I t is indeed VERY good and for $20 a bottle you really can't beat it!! I'll look to see where it was bottled when I get home this evening. As for the Madeira I'm saving it for a rainy day!

[Gabe215]

It was bottled in 2015

[Gabe215]

Don't knock me for the Jam Jar, it's fun to drink. Enjoyed the Fuerheerd so much that I got another 10 year tawny and decided to try their Reserve Ruby. Moses, ever hear of Barão De Vilar? It was on sale for $39.99 so I figured I couldn't go wrong regardless!!
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[mosesbotbol]

Moses, ever hear of Barão De Vilar?

I have heard of Vilar, but never tried any of their ports. I think they are more of a Colheita brand.

[nutcracker]

So - potato gnocchi with provolone and mushrooms. (And a touch of Manitoba's favorite vegetable - BACON).

My Italian friends might disown me, but mushrooms = Borgogne.

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Peasant wine for peasant food! Fantastic!

[mosesbotbol]

A rich white wine for a big meal.

[nutcracker]

A 2007 Patagonian Malbec with our homemade burgers. Chef Earl's BBQ sauce really picked it up. (Available at St Pauls Farmers' market.)

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I usually prefer Cahors Malbecs, which are more tannic and structured. The A Lisa is pretty good with a bit of age on it.

[mosesbotbol]

I usually prefer Cahors Malbecs, which are more tannic and structured.

Same here

[Gabe215]

Tonight's line up :dr

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[mosesbotbol]

^^ Some fun ones there. ^^

The Setubal 20 is what caught my eye the most. JM Fonseca is the probably the best producer as well.

[mosesbotbol]

Guess it's time to post something, Gabe215 motivated me. A couple of nights ago (Saturday) we did two 1977 Vintage Ports; '77 Taylor and '77 Fonseca. 1977 is a bit a odds. Widely heralded as great vintage, but in reality is just an average vintage IMO.

Perhaps a discussion on the vintage should be another thread, but '77 is hardly '70 or '66.
I rated the Taylor at 93 points and funny enough that I rated 93 points 6 years ago! A friend keeps notes on what we drank and looked up our prior review. The Fonseca I think I gave 91 points.

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[Gabe215]

Last Post was in June?? I guess nobody drinks wine any more?
Last Night...
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[icehog3]

Love me some good port, Gabe.

[Gabe215]

Had my first Amarone style wine last night and loved it, going to have to try some more now!!

[mosesbotbol]

Had my first Amarone style wine last night and loved it, going to have to try some more now!!

Giuseppe Quintarelli Amarone will send you to heaven and beyond. Actually, any of their wines are beyond belief.

[Porch Dweller]

Last Post was in June?? I guess nobody drinks wine any more?

I drink plenty of it, but i have the palette of a goat and drink 8$-12$ bottles of Cabernet, Pinot, and Malbec and $15-$20 bottles of Chianti. :D So while I enjoy reading this thread, I don't have much of substance to contribute.

[mosesbotbol]

Had a wonder 1948 Fonseca a week ago; absolutely fantastic. The weekend was full of port including 1963 Fonseca, 1963 Dow, 1977 Fonseca, 1977 Dow, 1977 Warre, 1980 Graham, and 1980 Dow.

Also had a really fancy Marsala that tasted like Madeira, but after a few days opened took a life of its own. I needed to finish it before I left the country for work.

[nutcracker]

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag202/neil_berrington/IMG_1311_zps4sqxybfb.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/neil_berrington/media/IMG_1311_zps4sqxybfb.jpg.html)
http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag202/neil_berrington/IMG_1312_zpslzj4wug6.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/neil_berrington/media/IMG_1312_zpslzj4wug6.jpg.html)

Being the country of my birth, I have an affinity for South African wines. Alto Shiraz is a spectacular example of an old world style Syrah (I.e. Not Aussie fruit bomb crud). It's been cellared a while, but has aged magnificently into a fine leathery, sweaty, still tannic red.
paired up with JBs homemade ricotta gnocchi with a sage mushroom cognac sauce.

Totally sublime......

[spark]

Hey, I found a hidden wine thread!!

I see the recent talk has turned to port but I want to share a couple pics of my wine "cellar". As you can see my wife and I enjoy wine way too much.
Ports are on the bottom shelf, third rack from the left. Wines that still need a few more years of ageincluding ports, are in the closet to the left of the cooler

Also in that closet are my coolerdors and other cigar related crap

https://c6.staticflickr.com/1/555/31805476205_ed523d487b_z.jpg


https://c4.staticflickr.com/1/381/31689119331_e2df59b33d_z.jpg

[nutcracker]

Nice collection!

[Porch Dweller]

Nice collection!

:tpd:

[Dave128]

Wow! :dr

[Gabe215]

Very Good Evening YNWA
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[Gabe215]

Offley LBV on sale for $13 took the last two bottles!!
http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a588/GabeP215/Mobile%20Uploads/2FE79CEB-A6B3-41D1-ABFD-1E44CC53B364_zpskipp58wh.jpg (http://s1285.photobucket.com/user/GabeP215/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2FE79CEB-A6B3-41D1-ABFD-1E44CC53B364_zpskipp58wh.jpg.html)

[mosesbotbol]

That's a good buy at $13. Keep you eyes out for any 2011 LBV's as that is regards as one of the best vintages in long long time.

If you make it to Boston, I have some '70 & '85 Offley vintage we can drink!

[Gabe215]

I was pleasantly surprised, my first offering from Offley and thought it was fantastic!! I'll keep my eyes out for some 2011's. I really do hope to one day share a drink and smoke with you Moses, always look forward to your comments and input!

[mosesbotbol]

Since you are seeking out port, for tawny or colheita:

Niepoort
Kopke
St. Leonardo
Ferreira
Quevedo

If you can find anything from these brands, they are all great at every price point.

[Gabe215]

Moses, does Colheita have to be drank immediately after opening (3 days or less)? or is it like most other Ports and can be enjoyed months afterward? Not that opened Ports last a week in my house, just curious, thanks!