It's happend

[Da Klugs]

I understand your concerns. I was just wondering, thanks.


FYI -

My user title was swtiched to "Alpha" and then what the mascot is over there. I switched it back to "Alpha Silveback" and it shows as
"Alpha **********".

Nice huh? :mad:

For now I am an "Alpha Silver_Back".

Thinking about changing mine to:

Former Content Provider :D

[AD720]

Thinking about changing mine to:

Former Content Provider :D


Or just -

"$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"

:rolleyes:

[icehog3]

Read their revised rules regarding ads as well. Seems none are welcome unless they are paid for. No more "specials" posted in the retailer forum based upon enforcement of the rule. It's all about the money is my takeaway.

Was there ever a doubt? Jon wasn't a member of ANY forum before the shopping spree....he didn't buy all those sites to foster the Brotherhood of the Leaf....he bought 'em to make money. That's not a slam on him, that is just one of the reasons I didn't want to be a part of the change.

This is home, and I couldn't be happier. :)

[ahc4353]

I understand your concerns. I was just wondering, thanks.


FYI -

My user title was swtiched to "Alpha" and then what the mascot is over there. I switched it back to "Alpha Silverback" and it shows as
"Alpha **********".

Nice huh? :mad:

For now I am an "Alpha Silver_Back".

Thinking about changing mine to:

Former Content Provider :D

My bodyguard better step in before I do something I have been wanting to do all day!

[TripleF]

Was there ever a doubt? Jon wasn't a member of ANY forum before the shopping spree....he didn't buy all those sites to foster the Brotherhood of the Leaf....he bought 'em to make money. That's not a slam on him, that is just one of the reasons I didn't want to be a part of the change.

This is home, and I couldn't be happier. :)


And in 5 or so years, he'll attempt to sell it offf and retire to The Keys. Not that there's anything wrong with retiring to The Keys after selling your web site for blah, blah, but the GIG here is the relationships.

We can't be bought and we'll stick together like a band of rebels if you try and treat us otherwise.

-

[mojo65]

I said I don't want my posts to be Jon's Property

He (Jon Ca-spanish for b1tch) said that the same language was in the CS agreement)

My bodyguard better step in before I do something I have been wanting to do all day!

Go ahead I dare you!:fu

[lenguamor]

Dave's "poison" post is epic. :ss

[DBall]

My bodyguard better step in before I do something I have been wanting to do all day!

When was the last time Al held back...? :confused:

[Blueface]

Anybody think of reaching out to Louie's family and letting them know we are here for them?

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/gorilla-waving-080805.jpg

It is amazing to see it in retrospect.
So many got up in arms when the change was first announced.
So many said that was premature to act that way.
So many left.
So many swore they would stay, then left.
So many leaving now.

I guess one thing was for sure and that is things would eventually never be the same.
What once was is now gone.

Glad the team of 11 had the foresight to agree that was not the direction they wanted to go and did what they did.
A graceful adios without fanfare will probably be best, with an occasional, "here I am" once in a blue moon.

[VirtualSmitty]

I said I don't want my posts to be Jon's Property

He (Jon Ca-spanish for b1tch) said that the same language was in the CS agreement)

Yep. Long story short, when I asked to have my account deleted pds told me all my posts belonged to CS as per the user agreement (who reads those lol) and the best he could do was change my username.

[Starscream]

Did anyone else notice that the Puffer fish is wearing his Top Hat gangster style? Never seen a sideways top hat before... must be for the edgier Puffers, they probably have tinted monicles too. :D
I bet their pants are saggin' too!



Did anyone sign up for the puff newsletter?:r

[ahc4353]

Why does my butt itch?

[VirtualSmitty]

I

Did anyone sign up for the puff newsletter?:r

I bet Kwagga did :r

[Da Klugs]

I bet Kwagga did :r

Kwagga was fun!

He's more of a Puff Lifestyle kind of fellow though. :r

[VirtualSmitty]

Kwagga was fun!

He's more of a Puff Lifestyle kind of fellow though. :r

He had those exclusive trinis, he's def a Puffer 4 life!

[Da Klugs]

He had those exclusive trinis, he's def a Puffer 4 life!

I think that was the guy from NY... Rsumtin. Another "content provider" though so his posts shoiuld still be there. :D

Asked them to close and desticky the "Ask the Silverback" thread earlier. JC decided there was too much "good content" to not have it a sticky. :hm

[Blueface]

Why does my butt itch?

Fleas of a thousand camels have infested it?:r

[replicant_argent]

I think that was the guy from NY... Rsumtin. Another "content provider" though so his posts shoiuld still be there. :D

Asked them to close and desticky the "Ask the Silverback" thread earlier. JC decided there was too much "good content" to not have it a sticky. :hm

Well, considering his effusive gratitude and gracious acceptance of your offers to actually help his team, that flabbergasts me, Dave!

[DBall]

Asked them to close and desticky the "Ask the Silverback" thread earlier. JC decided there was too much "good content" to not have it a sticky. :hm

Remember, Dave, you have no rights to your posts...

[Da Klugs]

Well, considering his effusive gratitude and gracious acceptance of your offers to actually help his team, that flabbergasts me, Dave!

He's got a playbook and he's following through on it step by step. Buying what he did.. this is the course that was dictated.

Wait till they merge in the other 15 active users from the other 2 sites... anarchy I tell you anarchy! :)

[Da Klugs]

Remember, Dave, you have no rights to your posts...

No biggie he didn't buy my friends.. the posts he can have with my compliments. I got the better deal. :)

[j-easy]

there are "goodbye" threads of puff left and right.......lol

[greenwit]

I don't see one ad over there....don't you all use Ad Block? :hm

[ahc4353]

there are "goodbye" threads of puff left and right.......lol

A few months ago that was bashing. :D

[Starscream]

that damned video at the bottom of the site is killing me. Takes too long to load a page b/c of it.:fl

[AD720]

that damned video at the bottom of the site is killing me. Takes too long to load a page b/c of it.:fl

If you use Firefox google -

flashblock extension

it installs itself and then the video will not play until you click play.

[Starscream]

If you use Firefox google -

flashblock extension

it installs itself and then the video will not play until you click play.

:tu

[AD720]

:tu

I wish I could take credit for it, a couple other folks posted it over there...you might have seen it if you were ever able to even get a page to load.

[VirtualSmitty]

If you use Firefox google -

flashblock extension

it installs itself and then the video will not play until you click play.

Yep. Adblock, flashblock, and no scripts are almost essential to have if you go over there lol.

[dannysguitar]

I'm sad...

[tzaddi]

Just wonderin' if you had room for one more? :)

http://gallery.me.com/tzaddi/100343/CABannerCS/web.jpg

[Starscream]

Just wonderin' if you had room for one more? :)

http://gallery.me.com/tzaddi/100343/CABannerCS/web.jpg

I wish.

[dannysguitar]

I'm happy to be here...:-)

[DrDubzz]

Just wonderin' if you had room for one more? :)

http://gallery.me.com/tzaddi/100343/CABannerCS/web.jpg

only if we can add Crow and Tom Servo as well :ss

[pnoon]

only if we can add Crow and Tom Servo as well :ss

I seem to remember we did this (horsing around) when we were in "development". Very funny.

[doctorcue]

Wow, big changes over there. Oh well; go for the moon! I'm not one to stop/hate on another man's ideas.

I'm appreciative of what the mods created for us here and I'm happy to call this "home". Although I do miss Louie. I need some CA stickers.

[Ratters]

I'm frankly glad the change finally happened. Now I can look at my CS stickers on my trackbike and at my CS hat with fond nostalgia. Shame it had to happen but major props to The 11 who brought us this place. Much appreciated.

[Ratters]

He's got a playbook and he's following through on it step by step. Buying what he did.. this is the course that was dictated.

Wait till they merge in the other 15 active users from the other 2 sites... anarchy I tell you anarchy! :)

15 active users? He didn't buy the stogiereview fan forums did he? I love that place. :(

:ss

[SmokeyJoe]

Just wonderin' if you had room for one more? :)

http://gallery.me.com/tzaddi/100343/CABannerCS/web.jpg

Glad to see Louie has found a home! :D

[greenwit]

Hoho! I typically use Firefox with Adblock and saw nothing in the way of ads. Dialed up IE on the main site and yikes! What an abomination, LOL.

[Blueface]

Just wonderin' if you had room for one more? :)

http://gallery.me.com/tzaddi/100343/CABannerCS/web.jpg

That is awesome.
So Louie is OK after all.

[Fishbeadtwo]

Glad to see Louie has found a home! :D
That is freaking awesome!!!!!! Long live Louie!!!!!!!

[s15driftking]

i wonder how that joncaputo guy feels with all these people dropping?

He has to be diplomatic and sit there and just watch it happen. Sure he was prepared to face some sort/length of adversity.... but all these people are bashing him and for "his investments sake" he has to sit there and grit his teeth.

Guys, realize that i am not for or against it.. i havent been here/there long enough to have a valued opinion. Moreover, i'm sure i haven't seen the drama through separation like some brothers have... again, i haven't been here/there long

im simply pointing out the humor in the situation.

Food for thought:

"think about a time when you noticed that you were doing the work that your clueless boss was supposed to be doing. The fact that you know that he would be REALLY lost and screwed if you weren't there to "make it happen" scares the chit out of him... imagine if you left... Where would he be?"

Imagine if the people who "made things great" left... does the man behind the big doors know how to run a business without a dedicated team? Has he lost his staff? Can he carry those winning personalities?








Me Thinks the inmates are running the asylum over there at Puff.com

:ss

[borndead1]

Just sent a request to one of the Puff mods to cancel my membership. I thought it was gonna be a tough decision, but after checking out the site for a few it turned out to be pretty easy.


VIVA CIGAR ASYLUM!!!!

[mikeyj23]

That is awesome.
So Louie is OK after all.

(In my best Keanu Reeves voice)
"Louie lives inside all of us."





Slightly humorous, but certainly true in a sense.
Posted via Mobile Device

[Starscream]

Me Thinks the inmates WERE running the asylum over there at Puff.com

:ss

I fixed that for you.

[ahc4353]

i wonder how that joncaputo guy feels with all these people dropping?

He has to be diplomatic and sit there and just watch it happen. Sure he was prepared to face some sort/length of adversity.... but all these people are bashing him and for "his investments sake" he has to sit there and grit his teeth.

Guys, realize that i am not for or against it.. i havent been here/there long enough to have a valued opinion. Moreover, i'm sure i haven't seen the drama through separation like some brothers have... again, i haven't been here/there long

im simply pointing out the humor in the situation.

Food for thought:

"think about a time when you noticed that you were doing the work that your clueless boss was supposed to be doing. The fact that you know that he would be REALLY lost and screwed if you weren't there to "make it happen" scares the chit out of him... imagine if you left... Where would he be?"

Imagine if the people who "made thigns great" left... does the man behind the big doors know how to run a business without a dedicated team? Has he lost his staff? Can he carry those winning personalities?








Me Thinks the inmates are running the asylum over there at Puff.com

:ss

My head now hurts.

[s15driftking]

i fixed that for you.


genius!

:ss

[TripleF]

Just wonderin' if you had room for one more? :)

http://gallery.me.com/tzaddi/100343/CABannerCS/web.jpg




Brilliant Richard!! Brilliant!! I love that Louie is in that pic. :tu : tu

[Bruzee]

My head now hurts.

:tpd:

[cort]

Great Pic Richard. Looooooooooooooooooouie!!!!!!

[BamBam]

Just wonderin' if you had room for one more? :)

http://gallery.me.com/tzaddi/100343/CABannerCS/web.jpg

Got my vote...sort of like a quiet homage to our old friend LL.

[BamBam]

Looooouie Looooouie Looooouie !!!!

[hotreds]

I, too, like seeing Louie sitting with us and enjoying a peaceful, serene smoke as the sun slowly sets in the west with a bronze hue and no puffy clouds.:ss

[borndead1]

Just sent a request to one of the Puff mods to cancel my membership. I thought it was gonna be a tough decision, but after checking out the site for a few it turned out to be pretty easy.


VIVA CIGAR ASYLUM!!!!


Just got a PM saying they won't delete my account. :confused:



Maybe I can get myself banned! :r

[s15driftking]

I fixed that for you.

Just got a PM saying they won't delete my account. :confused:



r

of course they cant, they need that big "active members" number (statistic) to increase advertising ability.


market share
Bottom line
The "anti sell" sell


SPLIT!!!

[DrDubzz]

Maybe I can get myself banned! :r

endless possibilities :r

[schnell987]

I, too, like seeing Louie sitting with us and enjoying a peaceful, serene smoke as the sun slowly sets in the west with a bronze hue and no puffy clouds.:ss

:tpd: Great job, Richard!

Can we keep him, Mom?!? PLEASE!!!?

[borndead1]

Just got a PM saying they won't delete my account. :confused:



Maybe I can get myself banned! :r







Please cancel my membership. Thank you.

Response
We can make you anonymous by changing your username. We don't delete accounts.


My response
Thanks...but here's the deal. I kicked back, kept my mouth shut for the most part, and gave Puff a chance. After looking over the site a bit, I decided that I do not like the changes, do not like the direction the community has taken, and I do not want any part of it. I don't stay at the most luxurious hotels, drink the finest wines, eat at 5 star restaurants, or any of the other bling bling rich boy type bullshit that the site seems to be promoting now. Please delete my account or ban me. Thank you.

I'm done posting about CS, just throwing this out there FWIW. :(

[BC-Axeman]

Just wonderin' if you had room for one more? :)

http://gallery.me.com/tzaddi/100343/CABannerCS/web.jpg
Louie lives on! :tu

[BC-Axeman]

I think the "bling-bling" is the advertisers they want, not the members. JC only needs to build up the perception of the image. LOL!

[Skywalker]

Just wonderin' if you had room for one more? :)

Very cool Richard!!!

[macms]

Very cool Richard!!!

:tpd: R click, save as....

[mojo65]

Got my vote...sort of like a quiet homage to our old friend LL.

Team of 11 please make it so!

[montecristo#2]

Just some interesting reading I was doing tonight.

Cigar Aficionado Online:

"We will tailor the proposal based on advertiser goals and objectives.
Our minimum buy is $5,000 net per month.
CigarAficionado.com is open to “out of the box” ideas and will create packages that suit the needs of our clients."

http://www.mshanken.com/cigaraficionado/ca/CAOMedia_KIT.pdf


The Magazine (unfortunately the rate card is not published):

http://www.mshanken.com/cigaraficionado/ (http://www.mshanken.com/cigaraficionado/)

Check out the Sample of Advertisers in Key Categories - from what I can tell I can't find one cigar company in the list.

It is scary to think how much it probably costs to advertise in the magazine. Probably so high most cigar companies cannot even afford it.


Thank you for reading.

[montecristo#2]

Just wonderin' if you had room for one more? :)

http://gallery.me.com/tzaddi/100343/CABannerCS/web.jpg

Richard - I wish I knew how to use photo editing software the same way you do.

I also wish I could take a picture as good as you as well.

[taltos]

I still have yet to check out the new site. Contacted them yesterday before 6 am about a problem logging in and have not received a response as of 10 minutes ago. All that I know is that if I go to the site and see if things have been resolved, something there locks up my computer and I have to drop off line to fix it. If they don't care about a 3 year member not being able to participate in the launch of the new site, it tells me that puff will go the way of virtually every site that the owner has touched in the past.

[Smokin Gator]

Alright, I lied... yesterday I wrote that I was not going back to Puff... Then I remembered there were two addresses I needed in my PM box. I got them... and now I am done.

[SeanGAR]

Maybe I can get myself banned! :r

Looks like a nice contest ...

[mmblz]

The Magazine (unfortunately the rate card is not published):

http://www.mshanken.com/cigaraficionado/ (http://www.mshanken.com/cigaraficionado/)

Check out the Sample of Advertisers in Key Categories - from what I can tell I can't find one cigar company in the list.

It is scary to think how much it probably costs to advertise in the magazine. Probably so high most cigar companies cannot even afford it.

They must not be listing the cigar companies, as there are tons of cigar ads in the magazine last time I looked...

[ucla695]

Just wonderin' if you had room for one more? :)

http://gallery.me.com/tzaddi/100343/CABannerCS/web.jpg

Awesome pic with Louie!!!

[md4958]

They must not be listing the cigar companies, as there are tons of cigar ads in the magazine last time I looked...

:tpd:

[montecristo#2]

They must not be listing the cigar companies, as there are tons of cigar ads in the magazine last time I looked...

Yeh I was flipping through one last night and noticed there were a decent number of cigar ads, but most of them were for the big cigar companies: General Cigar, Altadis, Ashton, CAO. . . I remember the first time I saw a Pepin ad in Cigar Aficionado.

[King James]

any way we can incorporate that louie pic? Awesome job on it!

[poker]

Louie and everything there was bought and now owned by JC. Sorry guys but it probably wont happen.
Louie became Jon's property and I really dont think you guys want his stuff on the top of your forum.

[mmblz]

I really dont think you guys want his stuff on the top of your forum.

:tpd:
Time to move on...

[King James]

Louie and everything there was bought and now owned by JC. Sorry guys but it probably wont happen.
Louie became Jon's property and I really dont think you guys want his stuff on the top of your forum.

Well thats Larry, Louie's brother ;) :D

Could be high-land Hank too....

[rizzle]

Thinking about changing mine to:

Former Content Provider :D

Mine says "Your ad here".
:D

[md4958]

My bodyguard better step in before I do something I have been wanting to do all day!

Al, I just saw this post.

were you referring to me???

I prefer to be termed "muscle"... makes me feel better about being a fat-ass.

[rack04]

How about we all put on our big boy pants and just leave it well enough alone. There is no need to make a statment over there as what's done is done.:2

[Blueface]

Well, my fate there has been sealed a few moments ago.
I enjoyed going on to see what was going on with all the changes but JC really P'd me off just now.
I wish him well.
As I stated to him, "a fish always rots from the head". He is the head. That fish is going to rot with his pompous and sarcastic/unwarranted responses to people.
No fanfare.
No goodbyes.
My friends are here and know where to find me.

[white_s2k]

As I stated to him, "a fish always rots from the head". He is the head. That fish is going to rot with his pompous and sarcastic/unwarranted responses to people.


I've poked around on puff over the past few days, and that's the exact attitude I get from him. It's all about the money, he really does not give a **** about the "brotherhood" that developed at CS.

I hope him all the best though in his business venture.

[ahc4353]

Al, I just saw this post.

were you referring to me???

I prefer to be termed "muscle"... makes me feel better about being a fat-ass.

No it was in reference to Poker. Seems I have my own MOD to watch over me. :D

[md4958]

No it was in reference to Poker. Seems I have my own MOD to watch over me. :D

only one???

[poker]

only one???

Yeah but Im dedicated & love my job :r

[ahc4353]

only one???

Well, I think Pnoon is hurt that he didn't get the short straw when they drew to see who was gonna watch over me. So, I told him could alternate days with Kelly. :D


Now back on topic and as info I do have my big boy paints on. :tu

Carlos, if it acts like and asshat, looks like an asshat and smells like an asshat odds are..............

I want it noted for the record I did not go to PUFF and post an I Told You So thread! (Although I really, really wanted to! :D )

[G G]

Louie and everything there was bought and now owned by JC. Sorry guys but it probably wont happen.
Louie became Jon's property and I really dont think you guys want his stuff on the top of your forum.

Agreed.

[MajorCaptSilly]

No it was in reference to Poker. Seems I have my own MOD to watch over me. :D

Yeah, it takes all 11 to watch over me. I'm like a ninja.

MCS

[poker]

Yeah, it takes all 11 to watch over me. I'm like a ninja.

MCS

Like this ninja :r

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acDg5-5pKUk

[mrreindeer]

I want it noted for the record I did not go to PUFF and post an I Told You So thread! (Although I really, really wanted to! :D )

:r:r:r noted!

[MajorCaptSilly]

Like this ninja :r

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acDg5-5pKUk


Very similar!!

MCS

[replicant_argent]

Scott, I found you a date.... Hope the family doesn't mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Myb1N6j5zdk



uh...MAYBE NSFW

[mojo65]

Scott, I found you a date.... Hope the family doesn't mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Myb1N6j5zdk



uh...MAYBE NSFW


thats not safe for anyone or anywhere.....:pu

[Blueface]

Scott, I found you a date.... Hope the family doesn't mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Myb1N6j5zdk



uh...MAYBE NSFW

Pete,
You have scarred me for life.

[replicant_argent]

Pete,
You have scarred me for life.

Ain't Karma a beeyotch, my friend?

[macpappy]

Well, my fate there has been sealed a few moments ago.
I enjoyed going on to see what was going on with all the changes but JC really P'd me off just now.
I wish him well.
As I stated to him, "a fish always rots from the head". He is the head. That fish is going to rot with his pompous and sarcastic/unwarranted responses to people.
No fanfare.
No goodbyes.
My friends are here and know where to find me.

CURSES! I became curious and fell for the trap you set Carlos. You forced my hand to click the button and look at Caputo's Playhouse to see what happened.

It just shows which part of the Jack Caputo is. He gets offended by a post, makes an attack on an avatar he doesn't recognize and then claims it was a joke. That's lamer than a three legged dog.

[GKitty]

Check out the re-write of Puff Lifestyle:

Puff Lifestyle

Like the perfect cigar, the smoker’s lifestyle is one focused on enjoyment and relaxation. At Puff Lifestyle, we discuss all avenues of lifestyle - great hotels that are cigar friendly, fantastic wines, cigar friendly dining, cool gadgets, lighters that actually work, hand carved cedar humidors...you get the idea. But we also cover the down to earth lifestyle interests as well: the most enjoyable reasonably priced cigars, best vacations on a budget, and the best way to stretch a buck...which has never been more important. Nothing is off topic!

Originally:
Like the perfect cigar, the smoker’s lifestyle is a rich and well-blended mixture of the all the finest ingredients. At Puff Lifestyle, we discuss the finer things in life: the most luxurious hotels, the finest wines, 5-star dining, the hottest wheels, insane watches, really cool lighters, hand carved cedar humidors, and of course – the best cigars. Come, live the life of a true cigar connoisseur. Puff Lifestyle – the sky is the limit.

Looks like Big Brother John is responding to the members. Or maybe he's just trying to win people back.

[mrreindeer]

I enjoyed going on to see what was going on with all the changes but JC really P'd me off just now.

What does Jesus have to do with any of this???

Sorry. :D :lv

[md4958]

Check out the re-write of Puff Lifestyle:

Puff Lifestyle

Like the perfect cigar, the smoker’s lifestyle is one focused on enjoyment and relaxation. At Puff Lifestyle, we discuss all avenues of lifestyle - great hotels that are cigar friendly, fantastic wines, cigar friendly dining, cool gadgets, lighters that actually work, hand carved cedar humidors...you get the idea. But we also cover the down to earth lifestyle interests as well: the most enjoyable reasonably priced cigars, best vacations on a budget, and the best way to stretch a buck...which has never been more important. Nothing is off topic!

Originally:
Like the perfect cigar, the smoker’s lifestyle is a rich and well-blended mixture of the all the finest ingredients. At Puff Lifestyle, we discuss the finer things in life: the most luxurious hotels, the finest wines, 5-star dining, the hottest wheels, insane watches, really cool lighters, hand carved cedar humidors, and of course – the best cigars. Come, live the life of a true cigar connoisseur. Puff Lifestyle – the sky is the limit.

Looks like Big Brother John is responding to the members. Or maybe he's just trying to win people back.

That back-pedal didnt take long!

[mrreindeer]

Check out the re-write of Puff Lifestyle:

Puff Lifestyle

Like the perfect cigar, the smoker’s lifestyle is one focused on enjoyment and relaxation. At Puff Lifestyle, we discuss all avenues of lifestyle - great hotels that are cigar friendly, fantastic wines, cigar friendly dining, cool gadgets, lighters that actually work, hand carved cedar humidors...you get the idea. But we also cover the down to earth lifestyle interests as well: the most enjoyable reasonably priced cigars, best vacations on a budget, and the best way to stretch a buck...which has never been more important. Nothing is off topic!

Originally:
Like the perfect cigar, the smoker’s lifestyle is a rich and well-blended mixture of the all the finest ingredients. At Puff Lifestyle, we discuss the finer things in life: the most luxurious hotels, the finest wines, 5-star dining, the hottest wheels, insane watches, really cool lighters, hand carved cedar humidors, and of course – the best cigars. Come, live the life of a true cigar connoisseur. Puff Lifestyle – the sky is the limit.

Looks like Big Brother John is responding to the members. Or maybe he's just trying to win people back.

Hahahaha, that's an awesome grab right there. Nice catch kitty! You guys are definitely molding the new site. I think it's a much better change.

[Jbailey]

What does Jesus have to do with any of this???

Sorry. :D :lv

:r That's what I first thought when I read that comment.

[pnoon]

I think the whole concept of a Puff Lifestyle, no matter how it is worded, is stupid.
Was there a stated CS Lifestyle or a CA Lifestyle. Is there a "lifestyle" on any other cigar board aside from maybe Cigar Aficionado?

[Jbailey]

I think the whole concept of a Puff Lifestyle, no matter how it is worded, is stupid.
Was there a stated CS Lifestyle or a CA Lifestyle. Is there a "lifestyle" on any other cigar board aside from maybe Cigar Aficionado?

I got my own lifestyle.
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/2238/gallerycounterfeitcigarjd3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I know Tim shares my lifestyle too. :D
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/9256/dsc00153eg5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Blueface]

I think the whole concept of a Puff Lifestyle, no matter how it is worded, is stupid.
Was there a stated CS Lifestyle or a CA Lifestyle. Is there a "lifestyle" on any other cigar board aside from maybe Cigar Aficionado?

Peter,
Just like Cigar Aficionado, what difference does it make to "discuss" that lifestyle?
It is one that only a select few can appreciate or enjoy.
The rest of us mere mortals don't drive Bentleys, shop at Channel or pick up Tiffany jewelry on the way home from work for our wives.

Heck,
Just realized.
I am impressed I can even come up with those three names.:r:r:r

[pnoon]

I just find it pretentious that he could label a group of individuals he knows absolutely nothing about.

[Blueface]

:r That's what I first thought when I read that comment.

:r

I thought about putting the name but figured that just the initials would be more appropriate.

[mrreindeer]

I got my own lifestyle.


:tpd:

https://www.rubbersbymail.com/images/condoms/LifeStyles_His-n-Her_LRG.jpg

[ahc4353]

Peter,
Just like Cigar Aficionado, what difference does it make to "discuss" that lifestyle?
It is one that only a select few can appreciate or enjoy.
The rest of us mere mortals don't drive Bentleys, shop at Channel or pick up Tiffany jewelry on the way home from work for our wives.

Heck,
Just realized.
I am impressed I can even come up with those three names.:r:r:r

We don't?

:al

[BC-Axeman]

I think he should have stuck with the original lifestyle statement. It shows poor leadership to be so pliable that you can't stick with your idea and are so willing to "bend with the wind". Like some poll following politician. People don't like following weak leaders.

[taltos]

Peter,
Just like Cigar Aficionado, what difference does it make to "discuss" that lifestyle?
It is one that only a select few can appreciate or enjoy.
The rest of us mere mortals don't drive Bentleys, shop at Channel or pick up Tiffany jewelry on the way home from work for our wives.

Heck,
Just realized.
I am impressed I can even come up with those three names.:r:r:r

I used to shop at Channel before they went out of business. They had some of the best power tool prices that I have ever seen.:r:r

[Blueface]

I think he should have stuck with the original lifestyle statement. It shows poor leadership to be so pliable that you can't stick with your idea and are so willing to "bend with the wind". Like some poll following politician. People don't like following weak leaders.

While I don't disagree with you, I would like to point out the above in bold.
It appears that is a proficiency for this individual.
In fact, I would dare state that word "leadership" should not or cannot be used in a sentence referencing him without prefacing it with "lack there of".
I truly think today proved that, and some know what I mean.

[Blueface]

I used to shop at Channel before they went out of business. They had some of the best power tool prices that I have ever seen.:r:r

Good ole Channel days!!!

Too funny!!!

[JaKaacH]

I used to shop at Channel before they went out of business. They had some of the best power tool prices that I have ever seen.:r:r

I love Channel lock pliers...I have a big set to take off my oil filters.:D

[md4958]

I think he should have stuck with the original lifestyle statement. It shows poor leadership to be so pliable that you can't stick with your idea and are so willing to "bend with the wind". Like some poll following politician. People don't like following weak leaders.

does anybody really think that Caputo came up with this himself?? Some schmo in a marketing department somewhere, who more than likely has never smoked a cigar, came up with this.

[ahc4353]

Is Moe short for schmo? :D

[stitch]

Well, I simply logged in, removed all my personal info, Removed my Avitar,
My Signature and made my Avitar line say "Stitch aint' here no more"
So, for me that ends it ... I'll comment on it no more.
Stitch is HERE now.

[Footbag]

Wow... If they got rid of some of those articles, they could probably fit more ads on the page!

That way they could make more money!

[MedicCook]

I was only over there for a week or so and noticed a huge change in the last few days with quality post's.

[BC-Axeman]

does anybody really think that Caputo came up with this himself?? Some schmo in a marketing department somewhere, who more than likely has never smoked a cigar, came up with this.
And the top hat and monocle wearing fish?:r
He should have left the bling statement and blinged the fish. Hey, that sounds like fun. Someone should create a blinged pufferfish. Gold chains, cruisin' with his posse.

[Footbag]

Whats the deal with top25cigar.com? That seems to still exist. Wasn't it involved in the merge?

[theycallmedan'lboone]

oh well, too bad. They got me started... and then they moved here... and I did too.

[ahc4353]

Watching the new membership here over the next few days will be interesting.

[Blueface]

Watching the new membership here over the next few days will be interesting.

At the rate they are dropping from there? A spike is coming!!!

......and just wait........let Jon log on more often and post more if his witty sarcasm and yet more will leave.
I feel for that mod crew.

[Footbag]

Watching the new membership here over the next few days will be interesting.



Cigar Asylum 1435 Inmates @ Jan 1, 2009 3:30 EST

[floydpink]

Puck Fuff

[poker]

People don't like following weak leaders.

He was never a leader in my eyes. Just an owner.

[GKitty]

He was never a leader in my eyes. Just an owner.

Amen to that!

Now, the Team of 11. They are leaders. Which is why when they left, I followed. :D

It's been said already many time in this thread, but Thank You again to the T.O.E. for constructing this refuge and allowing us the freedom to be ourselves and share the passion for the leaf that binds us together.

[landhoney]

I still go over there for the 'old' reviews and discussions on certain cigars(ones not reviewed or discussed here yet), shame all that info can't be here.
In other words, getting posting reviews guys and gals!

[poker]

Watching the new membership here over the next few days will be interesting.

We averaged about 6 new members per day Jan 1st to Jan 12th

[cbsmokin]

I noticed a new thread about water pipes in the accessories forum. What's next a review of '09 sticky green? :hn

[md4958]

I noticed a new thread about water pipes in the accessories forum. What's next a review of '09 sticky green? :hn

it IS puff.com!

[MajorCaptSilly]

Scott, I found you a date.... Hope the family doesn't mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Myb1N6j5zdk



uh...MAYBE NSFW

Holy crap! She's gorgeous!! Phone number?

MCS

[jm0307]

It just shows which part of the Jack Caputo is. He gets offended by a post, makes an attack on an avatar he doesn't recognize and then claims it was a joke. That's lamer than a three legged dog.


Hello macpappy,

Yup, that was my avatar, and I am glad that he dislikes it. :D

[DrDubzz]

I noticed a new thread about water pipes in the accessories forum. What's next a review of '09 sticky green? :hn

no seeds no stems no sticks!

[BC-Axeman]

I'll bet Caputo has a logon id here. Though he could be just an anonymous user.

[G G]

I'll bet Caputo has a logon id here. Though he could be just an anonymous user.

I betcha you're right my friend.:r

[md4958]

I'll bet Caputo has a logon id here. Though he could be just an anonymous user.

I betcha you're right my friend.:r

What would make you guys think he cares about this place? He got what he wanted... our memberships that CANNOT be deleted. That is the only thing that matters to him, because that is the only thing the advertisers are gonna see.

Do you think that any of them are gonna be going through threads and reading about the good old days from disgruntled members???

To John Caputo we were always just numbers. I have a feeling that in 6 months youll see his daily post count get smaller and smaller until he isnt even logging in anymore.

The one thing I find disgusting is that he is still taking member donations, as Puff.com is now a for-profit organization. The ads arent enough $$ for him I guess. And I feel sympathy for any member that is actually still willing to donate to that site.

I also wonder how much longer the "active member" count is going to be shown?

[Blueface]

What would make you guys think he cares about this place? He got what he wanted... our memberships that CANNOT be deleted. That is the only thing that matters to him, because that is the only thing the advertisers are gonna see.

Do you think that any of them are gonna be going through threads and reading about the good old days from disgruntled members???

To John Caputo we were always just numbers. I have a feeling that in 6 months youll see his daily post count get smaller and smaller until he isnt even logging in anymore.

The one thing I find disgusting is that he is still taking member donations, as Puff.com is now a for-profit organization. The ads arent enough $$ for him I guess. And I feel sympathy for any member that is actually still willing to donate to that site.

I also wonder how much longer the "active member" count is going to be shown?

All very good points.
However, I don't feel any sympathy for anyone willing to donate to that site now.
To each their own.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

[borndead1]

They still won't ban me or delete my account.



Any ideas? :D

[Blueface]

They still won't ban me or delete my account.



Any ideas? :D

Just do an "exit, stage left".

[md4958]

They still won't ban me or delete my account.



Any ideas? :D

as I said above, the will not be banning or deleting because every member=$$.

Its in thier best interest to keep you on and ignore you.

[borndead1]

Just do an "exit, stage left".



I kinda want to get banned. :r

[taltos]

They still won't ban me or delete my account.



Any ideas? :DDuplicate accounts are supposed to be good for a ban.:D

[md4958]

I kinda want to get banned. :r

just think of something that would get you banned HERE and do it over there.

[Blueface]

Its in thier best interest to keep you on and ignore you.

You have no idea how prophetic you are in this statement.

[jitzy]

What would make you guys think he cares about this place? He got what he wanted... our memberships that CANNOT be deleted. That is the only thing that matters to him, because that is the only thing the advertisers are gonna see.

Do you think that any of them are gonna be going through threads and reading about the good old days from disgruntled members???

To John Caputo we were always just numbers. I have a feeling that in 6 months youll see his daily post count get smaller and smaller until he isnt even logging in anymore.

The one thing I find disgusting is that he is still taking member donations, as Puff.com is now a for-profit organization. The ads arent enough $$ for him I guess. And I feel sympathy for any member that is actually still willing to donate to that site.

I also wonder how much longer the "active member" count is going to be shown?

he does care about this place cause what ever is said here in disagreement of fluff he has to be able to give his "spin" on things over there, he had spies and still does on the live offshoot board too

[GKitty]

They still won't ban me or delete my account.



Any ideas? :D

I hear picking fights with the mods in Chat is good for a ban too.

[Smokin Gator]

I couldn't care less what is going on with spies, John C, or Puff. I am done and that is that. I do get a chuckle out of this thread though!!!

[LasciviousXXX]

It was a very sad thing to know what was to become of your home and try and do something about it and have people tell you that you are "abandoning" your home and that "nothing's changed yet, why leave?".

We saw the writing on the wall. And we didn't have to wait for something to be destroyed to do something about it.


A sad day indeed.

[Blueface]

We saw the writing on the wall. And we didn't have to wait for something to be destroyed to do something about it.


Man, did you guys ever.

[Starscream]

Duplicate accounts are supposed to be good for a ban.:D

kwagga2?
kumarusc2?
:D

[gettysburgfreak]

if you want to get banned post a thread in the general discussion and bash John whatever the hell is name is and tell him how much his site blows.

[pnoon]

if you want to get banned post a thread in the general discussion and bash John whatever the hell is name is and tell him how much his site blows.
Spoken from truth.

Although, the account and posts will not be deleted. Access will be denied.

[md4958]

you can always ask pubicly to have your account deleted.. and keep asking till they do it

[pnoon]

you can always ask pubicly to have your account deleted.. and keep asking till they do it

And how will you continue to ask if you've been banned?

[borndead1]

Spoken from truth.

Although, the account and posts will not be deleted. Access will be denied.


You mean no more "No longer a community member" underneath your user name?


Man that's BS. :(

[md4958]

And how will you continue to ask if you've been banned?

apparently hes been having difficulty getting banned... that was actually the point... he WANTS to get banned or have his account deleted

[pnoon]

apparently hes been having difficulty getting banned... that was actually the point... he WANTS to get banned or have his account deleted

I guess what I was trying to say is that you may get banned but he won't delete your user name and posts.

[md4958]

I guess what I was trying to say is that you may get banned but he won't delete your user name and posts.

It was my understanding that was our friends intention... either banishment or deletion

[JKim]

They still won't ban me or delete my account.



Any ideas? :D

Of course it's your option to log on to puff and post any thread that you feel would get you banned. It doesn't make my life any easier, but who's concern is that really other than my own?

If one of the moderators won't ban you at your request, let me know. I'm pretty sure that's within my ability to do so at Puff.

This thread makes me sad on several fronts. Sad for the change to Clubstogie, sad at the fictional boundary drawn in the sand, sad to see people pick sides which inevitably creates some conflict or confrontation.

Puff.com sure is not ClubStogie, but that was pretty obvious change when Jon/Paul made their announcement.

I offered to moderate at ClubStogie soon after the announcement when there were no moderators, when a few had volunteered to nurse ClubStogie because a few people saw a glimpse of what made ClubStogie great in the past, Fellow cigar smokers helping other cigar smokers, brothers helping brothers.

Disgruntled members are expected when the change happens. That doesn't bother me. Lashing out overtly or covertly isn't a shock.

Changes are happening, the content is different, for better or worse I don't konw yet, interface is similar. Somebody is definately trying to make a buck with that site and it ain't me.

I just don't have much to post or say these days....

Happy smoking to all.. God Bless..

[md4958]

Of course it's your option to log on to puff and post any thread that you feel would get you banned. It doesn't make my life any easier, but who's concern is that really other than my own?

If one of the moderators won't ban you at your request, let me know. I'm pretty sure that's within my ability to do so at Puff.

This thread makes me sad on several fronts. Sad for the change to Clubstogie, sad at the fictional boundary drawn in the sand, sad to see people pick sides which inevitably creates some conflict or confrontation.

Puff.com sure is not ClubStogie, but that was pretty obvious change when Jon/Paul made their announcement.

I offered to moderate at ClubStogie soon after the announcement when there were no moderators, when a few had volunteered to nurse ClubStogie because a few people saw a glimpse of what made ClubStogie great in the past, Fellow cigar smokers helping other cigar smokers, brothers helping brothers.

Disgruntled members are expected when the change happens. That doesn't bother me. Lashing out overtly or covertly isn't a shock.

Changes are happening, the content is different, for better or worse I don't konw yet, interface is similar. Somebody is definately trying to make a buck with that site and it ain't me.

I just don't have much to post or say these days....

Happy smoking to all.. God Bless..

how is the morale over there?

[JKim]

Morale? <shrug> beats me. The new guys are still posting their questions, the old guys are mostly here. New guys are finding their way here as well.

[scoot]

Changes are happening, the content is different, for better or worse I don't konw yet,


Seriously? You're not sure yet?

[Blueface]

Of course it's your option to log on to puff and post any thread that you feel would get you banned. It doesn't make my life any easier, but who's concern is that really other than my own?

If one of the moderators won't ban you at your request, let me know. I'm pretty sure that's within my ability to do so at Puff.

This thread makes me sad on several fronts. Sad for the change to Clubstogie, sad at the fictional boundary drawn in the sand, sad to see people pick sides which inevitably creates some conflict or confrontation.

Puff.com sure is not ClubStogie, but that was pretty obvious change when Jon/Paul made their announcement.

I offered to moderate at ClubStogie soon after the announcement when there were no moderators, when a few had volunteered to nurse ClubStogie because a few people saw a glimpse of what made ClubStogie great in the past, Fellow cigar smokers helping other cigar smokers, brothers helping brothers.

Disgruntled members are expected when the change happens. That doesn't bother me. Lashing out overtly or covertly isn't a shock.

Changes are happening, the content is different, for better or worse I don't konw yet, interface is similar. Somebody is definately trying to make a buck with that site and it ain't me.

I just don't have much to post or say these days....

Happy smoking to all.. God Bless..

Ji,
I truly feel for you and the other mods, specially now knowing you personally.
For me, my final button was pushed today by his choice of words and frankly, pompous arrogance in that thread that you are aware of.
That is not a way to run a business.
That was totally uncalled for and childish behavior from a person trying to build an empire in the cigar forum business.
It is not a reflection of you or any of the mods but it in fact eventually will be, unfortunately.
That is what led me to cleaning my locker room, packing, saying my goodbye's to the mods, and exiting.
Again, my condolences to you and the rest of the group.

[ahc4353]

http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:eIOa2n0XbRzzUM:http://www.zefrank.com/theshow/gallery/d/6884-1/boss.jpg

Nuff said.

(Poker, this is my opinion.)

[JKim]

Ji,
I truly feel for you and the other mods, specially now knowing you personally.
For me, my final button was pushed today by his choice of words and frankly, pompous arrogance in that thread that you are aware of.
That is not a way to run a business.
That was totally uncalled for and childish behavior from a person trying to build an empire in the cigar forum business.It is not a reflection of you or any of the mods but it in fact eventually will be, unfortunately.
That is what led me to cleaning my locker room, packing, saying my goodbye's to the mods, and exiting.
Again, my condolences to you and the rest of the group.

Carlos.. I respect your decision to leave and understand completely. I thank you for taking a few moments to say good-bye through PMs, but you can't lose me that easy :)

As far as the personal reflection goes, I'd like to believe people form their own opinions based on my own actions, but there is truth in the reality you've drawn as well.

I hope my senses will let me know when that boundary has been crossed. I don't think it has yet, but it may not be far off the horizon.

[JKim]

Seriously? You're not sure yet?

Puff definately isn't just a forum any longer. There's content that wasn't centralized at ClubStogie. I've seen a few of the videos, although the interviews aren't the best in the world, there was enough interest for me to sit through and at least listen to what was being said by Ernesto Padilla.

There's a level of knowledge that has definately left the forums, especially as more and more people leave.

[pnoon]

Ji,
I appreciate your thoughtful and insightful posts here in this thread.
It is evident to everyone (as it was 3 months ago) that Jon is not and never will be a cigar guy. He likes to think of himself as one but he's just not. Couple that with a lack of people skills and it's a recipe for disaster. I wish you and the other mods all the luck in the world. You will need it.

[Blueface]

Ji,
Jr. is going to be deployed to Atlanta for 10 days.
Told him to reach out to you for a smoke together at a B&M out there.
His schedule is tight but he sometimes manages to get away for a while.

[DrDubzz]

Puff definately isn't just a forum any longer. There's content that wasn't centralized at ClubStogie. I've seen a few of the videos, although the interviews aren't the best in the world, there was enough interest for me to sit through and at least listen to what was being said by Ernesto Padilla.

There's a level of knowledge that has definately left the forums, especially as more and more people leave.

to echo this, some of the content on the main site will keep me lurking, I won't post, but I'll take advantage of the videos and content of that nature

[JKim]

Ji,
Jr. is going to be deployed to Atlanta for 10 days.
Told him to reach out to you for a smoke together at a B&M out there.
His schedule is tight but he sometimes manages to get away for a while.

Well you make sure to let Jr. know my number. There's great smoking lounges around here less the dominos. My weeknights are pretty open so it wouldn't be hard to get away for an early evening cigar. They may not make rum-runners up here, but I'm sure there are plenty other cocktails that would suffice. When's he heading this way and what's his cigar of choice these days? :D

[Blueface]

When's he heading this way and what's his cigar of choice these days? :D

I think he leaves in a couple of days but will check.
As for smokes, just take a wild guess.

Dad's
Dad's Cubans
Dad's Padrons

Any of them will qualify.

[icehog3]

Ji,

I have nothing but respect for you and others who took over duties at CS during a tough time. You, Andy, Greg, Aaron, Dave and everyone did and do a wonderful job.

It is sad to see the proverbial line in the sand as you say, but we are human, and whether it be based on sadness, anger or confusion, people want to vent, discuss, and sometimes bash. I will always respect you, not just as a Mod, but as a BOTL and someone who I have had nothing but positive interaction with. I hope that will continue, regardless of where.

[JKim]

Ji,
I appreciate your thoughtful and insightful posts here in this thread.
It is evident to everyone (as it was 3 months ago) that Jon is not and never will be a cigar guy. He likes to think of himself as one but he's just not. Couple that with a lack of people skills and it's a recipe for disaster. I wish you and the other mods all the luck in the world. You will need it.

Great things in life surely stand the test of time... The heart of Clubstogie is definately still alive over here...

Ji,

I have nothing but respect for you and others who took over duties at CS during a tough time. You, Andy, Greg, Aaron, Dave and everyone did and do a wonderful job.

It is sad to see the proverbial line in the sand as you say, but we are human, and whether it be based on sadness, anger or confusion, people want to vent, discuss, and sometimes bash. I will always respect you, not just as a Mod, but as a BOTL and someone who I have had nothing but positive interaction with. I hope that will continue, regardless of where.

Tom, thanks for those kind words. You know that landscape can't change established relationships.. :D

[JKim]

I think he leaves in a couple of days but will check.
As for smokes, just take a wild guess.

Dad's
Dad's Cubans
Dad's Padrons

Any of them will qualify.

I was going to say, like father like son before I had the chance to read that you had spelled it out for me!

[floydpink]

Ji,

I remember when I started at CS, you were always level headed and it seemed as though your posts were always well thought out.

No matter what happens to Puff, good or bad, you always have my respect.

[AD720]

What would make you guys think he cares about this place? He got what he wanted... our memberships that CANNOT be deleted. That is the only thing that matters to him, because that is the only thing the advertisers are gonna see.

Do you think that any of them are gonna be going through threads and reading about the good old days from disgruntled members???

To John Caputo we were always just numbers. I have a feeling that in 6 months youll see his daily post count get smaller and smaller until he isnt even logging in anymore.

The one thing I find disgusting is that he is still taking member donations, as Puff.com is now a for-profit organization. The ads arent enough $$ for him I guess. And I feel sympathy for any member that is actually still willing to donate to that site.

I also wonder how much longer the "active member" count is going to be shown?

I had a conversation with the new owner about this very situation.

I made the point that it is fine to take money from people but don't sit there and say that it is a "donation" when the money is going to what is explicitly a for-profit entity. I call a spade a spade and I said so. Being a supporter of PBS is different than subscribing to HBO. I made it very clear that it was not about the money for me but the "donation" seems like a double-dip and misleading.

I was basically told that: 1, they were not changing anything regarding the site supporter situation, 2, CS was a very profitable site (same as Puff) and that the site supporter donations at CS were not really supporting the site, just gravy and Paul was making a lot of money and 3, that $20 every six months "is not going to make or break him/the site".


After number 3 I pretty much :bh.

I hope that clears it up for everyone. :rolleyes:

I can not wait until the 18th when I will no longer have a "Site Supporter" tag under my nick.


Much respect for the Mods over there but I do not like the man behind the curtain.

[Blueface]

I had a conversation with the new owner about this very situation.

I made the point that it is fine to take money from people but don't sit there and say that it is a "donation" when the money is going to what is explicitly a for-profit entity. I call a spade a spade and I said so. Being a supporter of PBS is different than subscribing to HBO. I made it very clear that it was not about the money for me but the "donation" seems like a double-dip and misleading.

I was basically told that: 1, they were not changing anything regarding the site supporter situation, 2, CS was a very profitable site (same as Puff) and that the site supporter donations at CS were not really supporting the site, just gravy and Paul was making a lot of money and 3, that $20 every six months "is not going to make or break him/the site".


After number 3 I pretty much :bh.

I hope that clears it up for everyone. :rolleyes:

I can not wait until the 18th when I will no longer have a "Site Supporter" tag under my nick.


Much respect for the Mods over there but I do not like the man behind the curtain.

Wow!!!
Not surprising but................Wow!!!

[JKim]

FWIW.. my subscription to Donate to ClubStogie expired in December and has now gone the way of the Dinosaur. I had no problems donating to Paul to help fray the costs of bandwidth and hardware.

My thoughts were that the donations/subscriptions program however you want to perceive them hasn't changed, but the premise has changed.

ClubStogie $20 donation every six months. Paul said thank you by giving some additional functionality to ClubStogie for your donation, i.e. radio, poker, larger PM box, maybe some others. But you weren't paying or subscribing to these functions.

Now it seems like it's a $20 subscription/donation keep the added functionality.

The features were never the reason I donated to Clubstogie. Easy enough to understand why donations are no longer necesary unless you want the added features.

[JKim]

I had a conversation with the new owner about this very situation.

I made the point that it is fine to take money from people but don't sit there and say that it is a "donation" when the money is going to what is explicitly a for-profit entity. I call a spade a spade and I said so. Being a supporter of PBS is different than subscribing to HBO. I made it very clear that it was not about the money for me but the "donation" seems like a double-dip and misleading.

I was basically told that: 1, they were not changing anything regarding the site supporter situation, 2, CS was a very profitable site (same as Puff) and that the site supporter donations at CS were not really supporting the site, just gravy and Paul was making a lot of money and 3, that $20 every six months "is not going to make or break him/the site".


After number 3 I pretty much :bh.

I hope that clears it up for everyone. :rolleyes:

I can not wait until the 18th when I will no longer have a "Site Supporter" tag under my nick.


Much respect for the Mods over there but I do not like the man behind the curtain.

This kind of stuff makes an ugly read for me... it's disheartening to say the least.

[AAlmeter]

I wrote a very lengthy post on Puffer.com in reply to Dave's post criticizing Jon's claim that his member was bigger than Dave's, but I decided to keep my mouth shut. Let us all talk a moment to bow and celebrate this rarity. :D


I just do not understand the demonizing of Jon for trying to make a profit. He may be an asshole. He may not even have access to 827 boxes of aged cuban cigars (and thats only at his office humidor!!!). But profit was the chief motivator on both sides. Paul left because the site he created (as a hobby) and helped grow (as a passion) had taken to much of his time from his friends and family. It became a job.

I'm sure the reason it didn't become his sole source of employment was simply because it didn't have the pay and benefits per hour he put in. Plain and simple, he left because it didn't have the profitability.

On the other side of the fence stood Jon, who thought he could take his time and effort, and make it profitable.


I don't see how we can blame either man....solely from the perspective of being the site's admin and paying for it/making a profit. Other than that, despite my time on CS, I know neither Paul nor Jon well enough to comment. But Tom's still a DB...or so I've heard.

[replicant_argent]

that would be the crux of the biscuit behind this post.
http://www.puff.com/forums/vb/questions-issues/211044-clubhouses.html




My text for those that do not want to travel:
"When the clubhouses go active, will there be any kind of admission fee for any part of each clubhouse or any perks, other than the "JonSupporter" current icons? I guess I am wondering if the highly intrusive ad revenue plastered over all the pages would offset any need for revenue generated from members."



It has yet to be responded to by Jon, and it will be bumped to the first page until my question is answered.

[AD720]

This kind of stuff makes an ugly read for me... it's disheartening to say the least.

Certainly not my intention to put you down or make you feel bad in anyway. Like I said I really like ALL of the mods over there. I just thought that people who are "site supporters" have a right to know.

PM Sent BTW...

[AD720]

I wrote a very lengthy post on Puffer.com in reply to Dave's post criticizing Jon's claim that his member was bigger than Dave's, but I decided to keep my mouth shut. Let us all talk a moment to bow and celebrate this rarity. :D


I just do not understand the demonizing of Jon for trying to make a profit. He may be an asshole. He may not even have access to 827 boxes of aged cuban cigars (and thats only at his office humidor!!!). But profit was the chief motivator on both sides. Paul left because the site he created (as a hobby) and helped grow (as a passion) had taken to much of his time from his friends and family. It became a job.

I'm sure the reason it didn't become his sole source of employment was simply because it didn't have the pay and benefits per hour he put in. Plain and simple, he left because it didn't have the profitability.

On the other side of the fence stood Jon, who thought he could take his time and effort, and make it profitable.


I don't see how we can blame either man....solely from the perspective of being the site's admin and paying for it/making a profit. Other than that, despite my time on CS, I know neither Paul nor Jon well enough to comment. But Tom's still a DB...or so I've heard.


My issue is not that there is a profit being made. My issue is that the subscription fee was/is being passed off as a donation.


PS - it looks like your invisible ink has expired.

[JKim]

Certainly not my intention to put you down or make you feel bad in anyway. Like I said I really like ALL of the mods over there. I just thought that people who are "site supporters" have a right to know.

PM Sent BTW...

Andrew.. it wasn't taken in that light. :D

It's just kind of an ugly animal that's all....

[replicant_argent]

Andrew.. it wasn't taken in that light. :D

It's just kind of an ugly animal that's all....

You guys as mods are doing a lot of work between all of you for a site that few seem to care too much for. I respect you and pity you all at the same time, (respectfully also.) I have created some of that work at times, but the fact remains that we can all see what is happening.

I am not sure I would hang in there and work for free for a place that is losing it's soul. As it becomes more and more commercial, I would think that the aquarists running that fish tank should be treated with a little monetary respect, for allowing the clicking to continue to take place relatively uninterrupted into Jons coffers.

[AAlmeter]

PS - it looks like your invisible ink has expired.

Son of a...! I donated $3k to Tom...he told me that invisible ink would last a lifetime!

[DonWeb]

This thread makes me sad on several fronts. Sad for the change to Clubstogie, sad at the fictional boundary drawn in the sand, sad to see people pick sides which inevitably creates some conflict or confrontation.

Puff.com sure is not ClubStogie, but that was pretty obvious change when Jon/Paul made their announcement.

It is sad to see the proverbial line in the sand as you say, but we are human, and whether it be based on sadness, anger or confusion, people want to vent, discuss, and sometimes bash.

Indeed we are human, and it is our prerogative to voice opinion and emotion. It's not sad to pick sides - or create controversy.

However, when the jabs continue over time - it begins to appear obsessive.

[M1903A1]

Indeed we are human, and it is our prerogative to voice opinion and emotion. It's not sad to pick sides - or create controversy.

However, when the jabs continue over time - it begins to appear obsessive.

I'd say many of us are still in the early stages of the grief process. :2

[Whee]

It was a very sad thing to know what was to become of your home and try and do something about it and have people tell you that you are "abandoning" your home and that "nothing's changed yet, why leave?".

We saw the writing on the wall. And we didn't have to wait for something to be destroyed to do something about it.


A sad day indeed.

I always thought there was a big pitcher of kool-Aid passed around shortly after the announcement. I don;t think the end result surprises many of us, here.

The site is now what it was supposed to be. The heart of THAT site changed last October as soon as it went from community to commodity. I think the pain/anger/frustration some of feel is because we all felt like we "owned" CS, whether we were a "supporter" or not.

When it was announced there was a new owner, we all realized we would no longer have a say.

IMHO, Jon's motives and personality were out there for all to see if you went looking at some of the other boards, one in particular. Some chose not to see, others knew.

I don;t really care if CA becomes the biggest, the best or whatever catgeory you want it to be. It is a place where I have friends, annoyances, rants and bad humor, and that's all it has to be for me.

And then there's MCS...:D

[MajorCaptSilly]

And then there's MCS...:D

Yes there is.....Yes there is. I came into this world fully clothed, in a Armani suit and I plan to leave it wearing pink overalls and a green trucker hat.

MCS

[Whee]

Yes there is.....Yes there is. I came into this world fully clothed, in a Armani suit and I plan to leave it wearing pink overalls and a green trucker hat.

MCS

And cake, don't forget the cake.

[Bear]

I feel compelled to reply in this thread (even though it's not in context with the last few posts).
Just wanted to say I'm saddened by what was bound to happen at CS. I just deleted all my info off my profile and as weird as this sounds I was a little sad (and mad) while doing it.
CS was the first on line community I had ever been on and like so many of us am sad that it came to this.
Oh well, onward and upward I guess. I'm just glad a soft place to fall in to was created for us by the 11.
Thanks,
Bear

[icehog3]

I was basically told that: 1, they were not changing anything regarding the site supporter situation, 2, CS was a very profitable site (same as Puff) and that the site supporter donations at CS were not really supporting the site, just gravy and Paul was making a lot of money and 3, that $20 every six months "is not going to make or break him/the site".


Having been "behind the scenes" for a long time at CS, I would debate this statement of Jon's. Paul may have made a profit from the final sale, but for years he put his own money, as well as his own sweat and blood, into CS to keep it the community he and Rob originally envisioned. Anyone who thinks that their donations when Paul owned the site were going into Paul's pockets is mistaken in my opinion. :2

Son of a...! I donated $3k to Tom...he told me that invisible ink would last a lifetime!

The check bounced, Adam, so I made the ink "neon". ;) :r

[Da Klugs]

Funny how we kept quiet till the day of transition. Hope is the second to last thing to go I guess. Wait with Viagra etc now I guess it's the last. :)

I'm as guilty as anyone dissing the changes and projecting my view of the new owners intent here and on the old place. Got it mostly out of the system but who knows. I think we all learned from the experience. Some of the worst things that ever happened to me turned out in the long run to be the best things. This situation is one of them.

Honestly, wishing the new Puff venture all the best is probably good karma, it costs nothing, and also does good for all of us in the long run as their promoting ways help folks find and enjoy the world of cigar boards.

[icehog3]

Funny how we kept quiet till the day of transition. Hope is the second to last thing to go I guess. Wait with Viagra etc now I guess it's the last. :)

I'm as guilty as anyone dissing the changes and projecting my view of the new owners intent here and on the old place. Got it mostly out of the system but who knows. I think we all learned from the experience. Some of the worst things that ever happened to me turned out in the long run to be the best things. This situation is one of them.

Honestly, wishing the new Puff venture all the best is probably good karma, it costs nothing, and also does good for all of us in the long run as their promoting ways help folks find and enjoy the world of cigar boards.

And you say I am the nice guy, Dave. :)

[montecristo#2]

I am glad to see this thread has gone from people wanting to get banned to some really good comments and heartfelt thoughts.

When this site went live, I got an email from Tom and a voicemail from Gerry - both of which made my day. To think these guys would take the time to drop me a note, that is what CS created for me. A bunch of friends I have actually flown places to meet (Hey Tom, when are you finally going to make it out to California to smoke some cigars?).

When the mod team left I saw a bunch of guys who all joined around the same time as me try to keep the ship afloat and I jumped on board to try to help. If it wasn't for Blake Lockhart (I still remember the Dave's old username), I wouldn't have 300 plus 5 finger bags still ready to be used. :D I have traded cigars with most of these guys and I will honestly say, being a team member with them has been an honor. I can now see how the team of 11 became such a strong group, when you have to look over every post and make decisions as a team, it drive the bond beyond cigars.

As for puff.com, I work on the internet. I work in online advertising and I understand what Jon is trying to do. Almost everything on the internet is commercial (except for maybe wikipedia and this place). Every member here is lucky that the team of 11 has both the time and money to run this place without the need to ask for help or to flash ads to pay the bills. It is amazing how these guys are willing to spend both the time and money to keep this place running (I can imagine hosting a site this size is not cheap). With that said, I would assume there is a limit to what they can do. I doubt the team of 11 can produce cigar videos for example. Well with this group, they can probably do anything. :D

I made a post earlier in this thread about Cigar Aficionado and the cost to advertise with them. Unfortunately, if you look around, the other CA is really the only place a cigar manufacturer can advertise these days (Cigar and Smoke are horrible magazines and the ECCJ, while great is more of a European audience). So they can charge whatever they want and continue to produce a magazine that has less than 5 articles about cigars. Print advertising is dying as more people move online. In addition, it is very hard to track results in the print world, so advertisers really have no way to know if the money they spend is actually increasing sales for them. If someone wants to profit from that transition, who am I to say it is wrong. We all want to make more money and as a person who works online, I am interested to see if Jon can do it. If he can provide a better platform for cigar manufacturers to advertise and increase their business, while making money, it doesn't seem that bad to me (but again I work in a very similar business).

The idea of a central place to go and read about cigars, watch videos, read interviews, is inherently interesting to me. If that means I have to see ads for wine and liquor, so be it.

Just in case anyone is wondering, no one asked me to write this. These are my thoughts and my thoughts alone.

[icehog3]

that is what CS created for me. A bunch of friends I have actually flown places to meet (Hey Tom, when are you finally going to make it out to California to smoke some cigars?).



Thank you too, Aaron for the kind words....I look forward to the day (hopefully soon) when we can drop the "Cyber" from our "Cyber-Herf" together. :)

[montecristo#2]

Thank you too, Aaron for the kind words....I look forward to the day (hopefully soon) when we can drop the "Cyber" from our "Cyber-Herf" together. :)

That reminds me, I need to send you guys a PM about the next cyber herf! No reason we can't all smoke some good cigars right! :D


[edit] For some reason I cannot seem to edit my last post, even though it was less than 30 minutes ago. I want to add one more thing, I don't know Jon's master plan and have not talked to him about it. I just happen to work in online advertising and have seen websites try to do something similar.

[Da Klugs]

That reminds me, I need to send you guys a PM about the next cyber herf! No reason we can't all smoke some good cigars right! :D


[edit] For some reason I cannot seem to edit my last post, even though it was less than 30 minutes ago. I want to add one more thing, I don't know Jon's master plan and have not talked to him about it (I am just a mod, nothing more). I just happen to work in online advertising and have seen websites try to do something similar.

I think ours is less time. One of the few perks we got as mods there was exemption from the search time delays (you must wait 30 second thingie). Didn't remember it existed at all until afterwards and then.. arrgh.

I liked your post and agree. Puff will take the place of Cigarlive in my frame of reference (has that feel already). A different more commercial place that has it's value and vibe particularly for folks early in the journey. The videos are cool but lookng at Lopez is starting to make my head hurt almost as bad as reading stuff from KevinG. :)

[montecristo#2]

. . .my head hurt almost as bad as reading stuff from KevinG. :)

Amen to that. :D :r :r

[livwire68]

I was a member at CS for a couple years, I cant say I am sad to see it go. The reason being is that the heart of it is here at CA. Home is where the heart is! Everything we had there we have here, I just happen to log on in a forum with a different name, almost as if the other place never existed. Change comes to us in many different ways, some good some bad. We are fortunate that this change brought us a whole lota good. Its a small world when you choose to make it one, where family and friends are concerned.

[macpappy]

I joined CS the summer of 2007 and immediately felt welcome and comfortable with the forum. I was also one of the members who said we should all give it a chance after the change was announced. As someone who didn't have the time and effort invested in CS that some members did, I was willing to wait and see what the new management would do to the site.

The biggest changes I saw after Caputo became the owner was not anything he did immediately but the negativity that came out of a number of the old time CS members who did not like the fact that change was occurring and the vibe I got from some members who moved over from other forums. That changed the CS environment and when I was provided the information about the Asylum I joined.

Now that the official change has been made to Puff.com, I would say that many of the predictions made about the other site have come true or coming close to happening. That makes me glad to have the Asylum to visit.

But I am not giving up my membership at the other site. Why? Because it may not be the same old CS and I may not personally like everything that has happened over there, but it can still be another source of information about cigars and the world in general. Hey! I don't like everything in Cigar Aficianado. I don't like everything about Cigar magazine. But I still read them.

And I have noticed that there are quite a few of us who are still participating in discussions over there - at least for now. The number of times I visit the other site is decreasing and I think many of you are doing the same. That will mean less traffic for the other site in the short term, but then those numbers will bounce up and down as other "clubhouses" are brought on line so I would guess that losing a few hundred active members will really have little affect on the other site.

That's just my opinion.

[floydpink]

I like to think I am not completely ignorant when it comes to financial matters, but am stumped on something;

Why would Jon buy CS then change the name? Wouldn't it have been cheaper to just start Puff and use the undisclosed amount he used to purchase CS to spread some goodwill or something?

I guess the answer probably is that Jon never expected the mass exodus of former CS'ers and figured them membership came with the price of the name?

I honestly am not intending this as a jab at Caputo, I am sincerely curious.

Is it possible he has more bucks than brains? (that was the jab part)

[md4958]

I like to think I am not completely ignorant when it comes to financial matters, but am stumped on something;

Why would Jon buy CS then change the name? Wouldn't it have been cheaper to just start Puff and use the undisclosed amount he used to purchase CS to spread some goodwill or something?

I guess the answer probably is that Jon never expected the mass exodus of former CS'ers and figured them membership came with the price of the name?

I honestly am not intending this as a jab at Caputo, I am sincerely curious.

Is it possible he has more bucks than brains? (that was the jab part)

he could care less about the name ClubStogie... as you can see it didnt last long.. what he really wanted to purchase was our memberships... even if we dont use our accounts, our accounts are still active. The more members, the more $$ he can charge for advertising.

A membership at ClubStogie now is kinda like herpes, once you got it, you aint gettin rid of it

[Blueface]

A membership at ClubStogie now is kinda like herpes, once you got it, you aint gettin rid of it

YIKES!!!:r

[poker]

CS will always hold a special place in my heart.

I have nothing but the utmost respect for the moderation team of old CS members in place at Puff. All the guys here know you mods there have your hands full trying to keep order during a chaotic time. I am partially to blame for thinking I could stay until CS changed before making a decision to leave, but my heart was not in it, and the last person I will lie to is myself.

Many of us CS moderators (myself included) felt the mod team no longer dictated the flow of things there. Decisions we agreed on as mods were being overridden by Jon. I personally felt my services there as a mod were no longer needed.
With the collective efforts of the old CS mod team, we decided that something had to be done, but what could we do?

At that point, the Asylum was born. Never intended to compete against any other cigar forums. Never designed to plague or cause distress to other websites.
Our only intention was to create a safe haven for those who felt as we did. All 11 of us felt we had a responsibility to the members of Club Stogie to provide a place they could go to if they chose to do so.

While it is flattering that many folks feel a loyalty to Cigar Asylum, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being a member of multiple cigar forums.

[jm0307]

Why would Jon buy CS then change the name? (that was the jab part)

As regards Puff, I could have learnt to live with the addition of new sections and advertising. The former is not necessarily a bad idea and could provide the user with interesting information, and the latter, provided it remains cigar focussed, could actually be of commercial interest to the user or, if one dislikes it, could easily be blocked by security software. Furthermore, I am not intrinsically opposed to his having turned CS into commercial venture.

That said, the particular form that his venture took I dislike. I find the new logo and name unattractive, to say the least, and the relegation of the forum is lamentable. CS, Louie, and the jungle as a social forum for, and community of, cigar lovers, should have remained paramount.

[rizzle]

Ji,
I don't know you from Adam, but that was some fine posting. Take care my friend.

[DBall]

Every member here is lucky that the team of 11 has both the time and money to run this place without the need to ask for help or to flash ads to pay the bills. It is amazing how these guys are willing to spend both the time and money to keep this place running (I can imagine hosting a site this size is not cheap).

One of the truest sentiments mentioned. I, for one, am grateful (and, like many others, would definitely become a site supporter here given the option).

:tu

[Jbailey]

YIKES!!!:r

Did you really need to add pictures Carlos? :r

[Kreth]

Our only intention was to create a safe haven for those who felt as we did.
So the original intent of the name was that definition of asylum? And now it's morphed into the other definition... :r

[croatan]

So the original intent of the name was that definition of asylum? And now it's morphed into the other definition... :r

It's a double entendre. Take it as you will. Both definitions are appropriate. :)

[icehog3]

So the original intent of the name was that definition of asylum? And now it's morphed into the other definition... :r

A little of both, tongue-in-cheek, so to speak. ;)

[Jbailey]

For Perry it's a sanctuary for crazies. :D

[thebiglebowski]

well... i don't want to be a leading puffer fish - whatever that is (i feel like the seinfeld episode with the puffy shirt).

i'm here now.

[Blueface]

For Perry it's a sanctuary for crazies. :D

That is because most places that treat folks with those issues won't accept him.
He is "over qualified".:r:r:r

[Andyman]

Your wish has been granted. Most people would just choose not to login but, hey whatever floats your boat!
I kinda want to get banned. :r

[Andyman]

Ji, thanks for expressing your thoughts on this. I am feeling the same way. maybe we should start a support group! :r
This thread makes me sad on several fronts. Sad for the change to Clubstogie, sad at the fictional boundary drawn in the sand, sad to see people pick sides which inevitably creates some conflict or confrontation.
Puff.com sure is not ClubStogie, but that was pretty obvious change when Jon/Paul made their announcement.

I offered to moderate at ClubStogie soon after the announcement when there were no moderators, when a few had volunteered to nurse ClubStogie because a few people saw a glimpse of what made ClubStogie great in the past, Fellow cigar smokers helping other cigar smokers, brothers helping brothers.

Disgruntled members are expected when the change happens. That doesn't bother me. Lashing out overtly or covertly isn't a shock.

Changes are happening, the content is different, for better or worse I don't konw yet, interface is similar. Somebody is definately trying to make a buck with that site and it ain't me.

I just don't have much to post or say these days....

Happy smoking to all.. God Bless..

[Da Klugs]

Ji, thanks for expressing your thoughts on this. I am feeling the same way. maybe we should start a support group! :r

We are here for you brother. Meetings daily. :D

[LasciviousXXX]

We are here for you brother. Meetings daily. :D

And there will also be free Shiatsu massages courtesy of Bea ;)

[madurolover]

And there will also be free Shiatsu massages courtesy of Bea ;)

As long as Tom doesn't get too jealous. :D

[Blueface]

Your wish has been granted. Most people would just choose not to login but, hey whatever floats your boat!

How did you do that?
He no longer even appears on the members list.

[pnoon]

How did you do that?
He no longer even appears on the members list.

Banned members don't appear on the member list. However, you can search for posts/threads for that member.

Now Carlos, don't be searchin' for your member. :D

[Blueface]

Banned members don't appear on the member list. However, you can search for posts/threads for that member.

Now Carlos, don't be searchin' for your member. :D

So if banned members don't appear any longer, how can Puff use that member count all are referring to?

[borndead1]

I guess I should explain myself a little more FWIW.


To me CS was a community. I remember when I was a noob, Googling different cigars to see if I could find reviews of them. That was how I found CS.

I don't care for Caputo. I won't say I dislike him, cuz I've never actually met the dude, but what he has done with CS and the other sites is, for lack of a better term, against my principles.

Sometimes my "ethics" dictate that I do not support certain things. I don't vote Democrat or Republican, for example. I don't buy certain cigars because I don't like the way the companies do business and I don't want to support it. I also do not shop at Wal Mart. I even diss on Elvis because he didn't write his own songs. :r

I dislike fakery, dishonesty, exploitation, and hype.

I feel that if I retain my membership at Puff, even if I don't post, that I would be contributing to what Caputo is doing, and it bugs me.

I want nothing to do with Puff, and that is why I want to be "erased".

Cigar Asylum is REAL. It is a COMMUNITY. I can get behind that. :)

[pnoon]

So if banned members don't appear any longer, how can Puff use that member count all are referring to?

With my sparse knowledge of the vBulletin software, here is my guess.

Banned members do not appear in the member list presented. However, I would bet that they are included in the total membership (user) count presented on the home page.

Guys like kwagga, stogiefanatic182, and kumarusc are valuable numbers to puff.com but not to the community.

[poker]

Guys like kwagga, stogiefanatic182, and kumarusc are valuable numbers to puff.com....

No refunds, no exchanges :)

[icehog3]

well... i don't want to be a leading puffer fish - whatever that is (i feel like the seinfeld episode with the puffy shirt).

i'm here now.

But I don't wanna be Puffy!!

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/puffy_shirt01.png

And there will also be free Shiatsu massages courtesy of Bea ;)


Hands off, Buster! :mad:
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/bea.jpg

[Andyman]

We are here for you brother. Meetings daily. :D

Thanks for your support!

[pnoon]

But I don't wanna be Puffy!!

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/puffy_shirt01.png




C'mon, Tom.
It's "But I don't wanna be a pirate!"

[icehog3]

C'mon, Tom.
It's "But I don't wanna be a pirate!"

I know Peter...It is all about the context. ;)

[Kreth]

Hands off, Buster! :mad:
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/bea.jpg
For a second there, I thought that was Eddie Van Halen.
http://www.futurerockhall.com/blog_files/page2_blog_entry0_1.jpg

[pnoon]

I know Peter...It is all about the context. ;)

http://images.easyart.com/i/prints/rw/en_easyart/lg/7/1/The-Simpsons---D-oh--Mini-Posters-71133.jpg

[icehog3]

http://images.easyart.com/i/prints/rw/en_easyart/lg/7/1/The-Simpsons---D-oh--Mini-Posters-71133.jpg


http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/homer.jpg

[jitzy]

I think ours is less time. One of the few perks we got as mods there was exemption from the search time delays (you must wait 30 second thingie). Didn't remember it existed at all until afterwards and then.. arrgh.

I liked your post and agree. Puff will take the place of Cigarlive in my frame of reference (has that feel already). A different more commercial place that has it's value and vibe particularly for folks early in the journey. The videos are cool but lookng at Lopez is starting to make my head hurt almost as bad as reading stuff from KevinG. :)

the funny thing is Daniel and Jon I feel from reading a lot of there posts more wanted to have more of the CS feel but the reason its starting to get the "Live" feel is cause John has Daniel running both boards so they are both gonna take on Daniels vision for the boards. Having Moded for Daniel on GARlive I wall say you learn a lot about someone when you work with them instead of just talking to them and those are the reasons I felt I had to leave cause there were things that ethicaly I did not like such as password scrambling.

On a separate note and this is not trying to pick a fight with any of the guys over at puff but I find it funny how guys think that by staying there they will "save" what they had I'm sorry but the name of the board does not make the board the members do and the true heart and soul of both CS and CL are here and at outcasts now, so there is no saving there is creating a new forum not the old.

I truly don't wish puff or any of the core members there any ill will nor do I hope they fail but I also don't think they are gonna do any good for the cigar community like Jon and Daniel are trying to claim but it really is just a money maker for Jon and a way for Daniel to do what he said he wanted to do and the reason he started live in the first place and that is make video's and eventually short documentry style movies.

I truly want to thank the TRUE botl that started the offshoot boards to keep a place for us to all come and just talk.

[rizzle]

With my sparse knowledge of the vBulletin software, here is my guess.

Banned members do not appear in the member list presented. However, I would bet that they are included in the total membership (user) count presented on the home page.

Guys like kwagga, stogiefanatic182, and kumarusc are valuable numbers to puff.com but not to the community.
I don't know Peter, I got a chuckle or two out of him.:r

[pnoon]

. . . there were things that ethicaly I did not like such as password scrambling.
.
.
.


What is "password scrambling"? And why is it unethical?
(The answer to the first question may answer my second)

[BC-Axeman]

There can never be too much member support.

[GKitty]

There can never be too much member support.

...

Nah... too easy.

:lv

[MedicCook]

For a second there, I thought that was Eddie Van Halen.
http://www.futurerockhall.com/blog_files/page2_blog_entry0_1.jpg

Wow. He is looking pretty bad there. How about his ex-wife? She is looking pretty good lately.

[jitzy]

What is "password scrambling"? And why is it unethical?
(The answer to the first question may answer my second)

as an admin Daniel would change a members password so they could not log on to the site anymore so that he would not have to ban them but just make it so and I quote " Just make it look like they left" as far as unethical I feel that way cause you agree to a user agreement and he would "cheat" that agreement in his favor

[AD720]

For a second there, I thought that was Eddie Van Halen.
http://www.futurerockhall.com/blog_files/page2_blog_entry0_1.jpg


http://totallylookslike.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/eddie-van-halen.jpg



http://totallylookslike.com/2008/07/22/eddie-van-halen/

[pnoon]

as an admin Daniel would change a members password so they could not log on to the site anymore so that he would not have to ban them but just make it so and I quote " Just make it look like they left" as far as unethical I feel that way cause you agree to a user agreement and he would "cheat" that agreement in his favor

No need to convince me it's unethical the way he would ban people. Not cool in my book.

[jitzy]

No need to convince me it's unethical the way he would ban people. Not cool in my book.

not cool at all, if you want to ban someone then just do it thats a see you next tuesday way of doing it.

[ahc4353]

...

Nah... too easy.

:lv

:r I like the way you think. :D

[Da Klugs]

as an admin Daniel would change a members password so they could not log on to the site anymore so that he would not have to ban them but just make it so and I quote " Just make it look like they left" as far as unethical I feel that way cause you agree to a user agreement and he would "cheat" that agreement in his favor

Fair enough, not the bravest of options. Conversely, we have nothing but love for PDS. Character is an evolved trait and we all fall short in the face of adversity at times.

CS is merged and CL soon to follow. It's now old news for us CS folks and soon to be for the CL crowd as well, helps to get closure and be able to move on. This thread could be contrued as a lil "therapy" gettin it out so its.. well over with.

[VirtualSmitty]

as an admin Daniel would change a members password so they could not log on to the site anymore so that he would not have to ban them but just make it so and I quote " Just make it look like they left" as far as unethical I feel that way cause you agree to a user agreement and he would "cheat" that agreement in his favor

Couldn't they just reset their password though? It's a bs way of going about banning people but there is normally a link to forgot your password or some thing along those lines.

[jitzy]

Fair enough. Conversely, we have nothing but love for PDS. Character is an evolved trait and we all fall short in the face of adversity at times.

CS is merged and CL soon to follow. It's now old news for us CS folks and soon to be for the CL crowd as well, helps to get closure and be able to move on. This thread could be contrued as a lil "therapy" gettin it out so its.. well over with.

I can't say anything negative about PDS he truly has nothing to do with any of my feelings about this "merger"

[jitzy]

Couldn't they just reset their password though? It's a bs way of going about banning people but there is normally a link to forgot your password or some thing along those lines.

you can't reset your password if you can't log in

edit: I just got what you meant and I know there was something that he did with that too with the email registered to the account