NHL '11 - '12 Thread

[Bigwaved]

I predicted 7 games for this series from the start. Rangers had their best game of the series in Game 5 (excepting Henrik)....I look for him to have a big bounceback game.
Yes, not too solid between the pipes last time out. Fingers are crossed for tonight.

[Bigwaved]

that f'n sucked

[icehog3]

Congrats to Brodeur and the Devils.

I will predict the Kings in 6 right here.

[Eleven]

Congrats to Brodeur and the Devils.

I will predict the Kings in 6 right here.

I'm torn. I think the Kings had a better chance against the Rangers. I still think they'll win though.

[icehog3]

What does it say about my confidence in Blackhawk goaltending that I wish old man Hasek would consider Chicago? :lr

http://www.canada.com/sports/Dominik+Hasek+exploring+return/6680774/story.html

[Bruins Fan]

Tim Thomas for Patrick Kane?
I think Thomas is all done as a Bruin, we will know after July 1st?

[icehog3]

Tim Thomas for Patrick Kane?
I think Thomas is all done as a Bruin, we will know after July 1st?

Throw in Lucic and we gots a deal. :)

[Ahbroody]

Congrats to Brodeur and the Devils.

I will predict the Kings in 6 right here.

:noon

5 or 6

[Bruins Fan]

Throw in Lucic and we gots a deal. :)

I would do it Lucic was a bust last year, and his name has come up in the local papers as someone the B's might deal?

[icehog3]

I would do it Lucic was a bust last year, and his name has come up in the local papers as someone the B's might deal?

OK, I will draw up the paperwork. :)

[Ahbroody]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd_mGFtVWSQ&feature=plcp

friggin comedy

[icehog3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Za-dK9wdmI

Old school comedy, Mike. ;)

[E.J.]

Seems like it's been a stinking long break... Drop the puck!!!! Go Kings!!!

[GreekGodX]

Lidstrom announcing his retirement tomorrow :( will post link later. Not good for the Wings but Detroit was very lucky to have a HOFer and legend on our blue line for so many years
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[icehog3]

Lidstrom was one of the best ever. First ballot HOFer for sure.

Colin Fraser with the SCF opening goal!

[GreekGodX]

Here's the link. Very sad news.

Lidstrom to retire (http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/7989274/detroit-red-wings-star-nicklas-lidstrom-retire-thursday)

[GreekGodX]

Here's the link. Losing Stuart and now Lidstrom on the blueline is going to be a killer. Going to need to at least get Suter and hopefully someone else. Still hoping for Parise too :)

Lidstrom to retire (http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/7989274/detroit-red-wings-star-nicklas-lidstrom-retire-thursday)

[E.J.]

Wow...what an OT!!! I forgot to DVR, so just got the OT...but happy I did!

[icehog3]

Kings keep the road unbeaten streak alive. Gonna be tough to beat the way Quick is playing.

[357]

Here's the link. Losing Stuart and now Lidstrom on the blueline is going to be a killer. Going to need to at least get Suter and hopefully someone else. Still hoping for Parise too :)

Lidstrom to retire (http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/7989274/detroit-red-wings-star-nicklas-lidstrom-retire-thursday)

Sad news. IMO Lidstrom is the 2nd best D-man next to Bobby Orr. Given I'm biased but I'm lucky enough to have been able to watch him for 20 years.

Likewise, Christos. I think the Wings need Suter, Parise, and another top 4 D-man as well. This is truly the end of an era, but it doesn't have to be the end of the run for the Wings. They have a ton of cap room to get some fresh blood in here. In Holland we trust.

[GreekGodX]

Sad news. IMO Lidstrom is the 2nd best D-man next to Bobby Orr. Given I'm biased but I'm lucky enough to have been able to watch him for 20 years.

Likewise, Christos. I think the Wings need Suter, Parise, and another top 4 D-man as well. This is truly the end of an era, but it doesn't have to be the end of the run for the Wings. They have a ton of cap room to get some fresh blood in here. In Holland we trust.

That's the truth. Hopefully he makes some good moves even if that means selling his soul to get better players here.

[357]

What does it say about my confidence in Blackhawk goaltending that I wish old man Hasek would consider Chicago? :lr

http://www.canada.com/sports/Dominik+Hasek+exploring+return/6680774/story.html

:r

[icehog3]

Tim Thomas talking about sitting out 2012-2013 for "family reasons".

Maybe, or maybe he is just a head case. :confused:

[Bruins Fan]

The guy is a freakin head case,last season he stripped his mask and pads of any Bruins logos.:confused:
He was mad at the team because they tried to trade him two seasons ago,the only thing that kept him in town was the great hot streak that took the B's to the cup.
What sux's is the team will take a 5 mil cap hit if he sits.
He moved his home to Colorado in the middle of the season,who the heck would do that?
Looks like he is trying to shoot his way out of town,it won't be hard to do looks like a done deal?:gary

[rebelknight]

New Jersey is in real trouble now having to go back to LA for two straight games down 2-0 in the series. The worst part is New Jersey has actually kept pace and played well in both games. It seems like they are playing not to lose instead of playing to win though and I think that has been a big difference so far.

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Hell of a game tonight on both ends. LA will close in game 5

[Ahbroody]

Its looking that way.
I am expecting hell to freeze very soon.

[icehog3]

Kings will hoist the Cup this week.

[drjammer]

Kings will hoist the Cup this week.

+1

[icehog3]

Not even close. I look for the Kings to skate the Cup for their home fans Wednesday.

[yourchoice]

Not even close. I look for the Kings to skate the Cup for their home fans Wednesday.

:tpd: They're looking awfully tough to beat right now.

[Ahbroody]

That game was an ass whooping. Was at the rink with the boy, but caught a decent amount of the game.

[Eleven]

Every game so far I have thought NJ was going to break out and take a lasting lead. For long stretches over each game they have dominated puck possession in the Kings zone, but they just can't get past Quick.

That OT in game one, I was sure NJ was going to win. I didn't get that exact same feeling in game two's OT, but I think LA is flirting with disaster in not being able to effectively clear the puck. If it wasn't for Quick, this series could be 2-1 NJ.

I also thought game three was very close, maybe even tilting towards NJ again until that first goal. Even at 2-0 Kings there were times that NJ looked like they could be right back in it.

Now I'm hoping that LA just crushes NJ early and often in game four, just get it over with, and let me get back to worrying about how my Pens are going to come back next year!

As good as Quick has been, I am super impressed with Kopitar, or as I call him "Evgeni Kopitar" cause he reminds me so much of Geno. I think if LA closes it out tomorrow, the Conn Smythe belongs to Quick. But I would also love seeing Kopitar getting the nod.

[Wanger]

Haven't watched much lately, but LA being up 3-0 as an 8 seed for the Cup...it proves that all you need is a chip and a chair. But 15-2 so far in the playoffs...WOW. Not something I'd even expect from a 1 seed in the Cup playoffs.

The local angle here is how it affects the prusuit the Wild are going to put on Parise. The sentiment here is that if he won the Cup, it would be much easier for him to "come home". If they get swept, how will that affect his decisions/thoughts? Will he think "we made it, but weren't close"? Or will it be "We should have won a couple of those games...if we got some breaks...we'll be right there next year, too"? He could also look at the young guns the Wild have coming in, and think that there is something special on the horizon here.

[icehog3]

As far as Parise "coming home", I am guessing that after getting this close to the Cup, he will sign with a team that is an immediate contender, rather than future potential. I see him signing in Detroit or a similar situation, Mike. Be shocked if he signed with the Wild.

L.A. should have a nice view tonight.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/stanley-cup.jpg

[Ahbroody]

As far as Parise "coming home", I am guessing that after getting this close to the Cup, he will sign with a team that is an immediate contender, rather than future potential. I see him signing in Detroit or a similar situation, Mike. Be shocked if he signed with the Wild.

L.A. should have a nice view tonight.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/stanley-cup.jpg

while I agree parise will sign with a contender, I don't think Detroit is a contender. Don't hate Wings fans I think the Sharks window may have closed also. Detroit lost Rafalski last year and Lindstrom and Stuart this year. Half the defensive core in two years is going to create a mess we Shark fans will love. They need to rebuild the blue line before anything else. Wouldn't mind seeing Stuart come home to his family and finish his career in teal.

Okay done with my gas can.
Kings I think will be rabid dogs tonight. Will be shocked if they don't.lift the cup tonight. Couple of summer tourneys the boy could play in over the next month in socal. Almost tempted to go. Almost. so not a socal person.

[Eleven]

I don't think Detroit is a contender.

I think the Wings will be in full-on rebuild mode for another year or two. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if they missed the playoffs next year. OK maybe that is a stretch but I can't seeing them going deep in the playoffs for quite a while.

[Ahbroody]

So basically the same as the last 3 years?

[icehog3]

while I agree parise will sign with a contender, I don't think Detroit is a contender. Don't hate Wings fans I think the Sharks window may have closed also. Detroit lost Rafalski last year and Lindstrom and Stuart this year. Half the defensive core in two years is going to create a mess we Shark fans will love. They need to rebuild the blue line before anything else. Wouldn't mind seeing Stuart come home to his family and finish his career in teal.



They will....they will sign Suter as well as Parise. That's my prediction. ;)

In a sad note, Vladimir Krutov, the "K" in the Soviet Union's famed KLM line, died today at age 52. While he played only one uneventful season in the NHL, he was part of one of the historic powerhouses of International Hockey for many years.

[E.J.]

Hope they find a way to finish tonight. Want to see the Kings skate the Cup at home. Cool to see Trevor Lewis skate the cup anywhere!!!! Go Kings!


(Go Avs 2012-13 )

[E.J.]

Well, positive...get another game to watch!

[Ahbroody]

suprised, but it happens

[icehog3]

I'm suprised too, but now I would not be suprised if this one went 6.

[Wanger]

while I agree parise will sign with a contender, I don't think Detroit is a contender. Don't hate Wings fans I think the Sharks window may have closed also. Detroit lost Rafalski last year and Lindstrom and Stuart this year. Half the defensive core in two years is going to create a mess we Shark fans will love. They need to rebuild the blue line before anything else. Wouldn't mind seeing Stuart come home to his family and finish his career in teal.



As far as Parise "coming home", I am guessing that after getting this close to the Cup, he will sign with a team that is an immediate contender, rather than future potential. I see him signing in Detroit or a similar situation, Mike. Be shocked if he signed with the Wild.




I've heard that Detroit is planning on putting a heavy pursuit on both Suter and Parise, as well. I'd heard well before the end of the season that Parise and Suter were the main targets for the Wild this offseason. I believe that they'll be well enough below the cap to have the $ to throw at them. As for Det...I don't know. I've heard that Parise loves the NY/NJ area, so I don't really see him going anywhere but there or coming back here. But the only one who knows what's going through his head is him. His family still lives here (dad was a MN North Star, for those who didn't know that), and he's building a place here, too. Some people looked at that as a sign. I look at it like he wants an offseason home at "home".

There has been minimal talk about the Cup Finals here, and when it's mentioned, mostly what's been talked about it Parise. Unfortunately, I don't get the channel that most of the games have been on. Would have liked to see a few of those games. Will be interesting to see if Quick is back to being the utter stone wall he's been for most of the playoffs.

On another note, the wife and I talked about getting season tix for the Wild a couple days ago. If we don't go in on our own, we might split some that our friends have. :D

[Ahbroody]

Thefirstrow.eu
I think u should put a WWW. In front of those words up there and see what happens.

Ahbroody is a fictional character who does not have any relation to any off shore site and does not condone violation of any regulations.

As to Parise and suter as mentioned they are going to be sought after by many teams some with money some with a much more stable team on the verge. Why either would go to the D is beyond me. They are not one player away. If they get neither it will make Sharks fans smile and will mean the cap has done its job. I don't know if one will get there. I definitely don't see both. The last couple of years they have gone after free agents. The highly prized are not going there

[357]

Thefirstrow.eu
I think u should put a WWW. In front of those words up there and see what happens.

Ahbroody is a fictional character who does not have any relation to any off shore site and does not condone violation of any regulations.

As to Parise and suter as mentioned they are going to be sought after by many teams some with money some with a much more stable team on the verge. Why either would go to the D is beyond me. They are not one player away. If they get neither it will make Sharks fans smile and will mean the cap has done its job. I don't know if one will get there. I definitely don't see both. The last couple of years they have gone after free agents. The highly prized are not going there

Yeah I don't know why anyone would want to go to a team with 4 cups in 15 years, and 20 playoff seasons in a row. :rolleyes:

I'm pretty sure the Wings are completely devoid of all talent. I'm surprised they don't make them play across the river for the Spitfires. :rolleyes:




BTW, Wings have $26 million of cap space.

RFAs:
Quincy = $3.125 Mil, probably similar to re-sign
Abdelkader = 787.5K, 1.2 to re-sign?
Helm = 912.5K, 1.5 to re-sign?

UFAs:
Hudler = $2.875 Mil, may not re-sign. If so similar

On O. they have:
Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Filppula, Cleary, Bert and some good young talent in in Nyquist and Emmerton

On D. they have Kronwall, White, Ericsson, and youngins Brenden Smith and Jakub Kindl

They also have two young talented netminders in Howard and MacDonald.

The Wings need to add two D-men, replace/resign Hudler, and get a high end winger. The talk I heard was Suter and Parise were good friends and wanted to go somewhere together. The Wings have the cap space and like the Yankees in MLB, they are often seen as THE destination. I hope that's enough to bring them both in.

[icehog3]

SJ Mike, we will just have to agree to disagree on this one....I would not be shocked in the least to see Parise and Suter both end up in Motown. Not as certain as the Cup residing in SoCal this summer....but close. :r

[icehog3]

I'm suprised too, but now I would not be suprised if this one went 6.

On the other hand, the Kings have not lost a single road game this playoff season.

Is tonight the night?

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/stanley-cup.jpg

[icehog3]

The American Hockey League said its officials made a mistake in allowing a fluke overtime goal to stand in Game 3 of the Calder Cup final.

The goal gave the Norfolk Admirals a 1-0 win Wednesday night and a 3-0 series lead over the Toronto Marlies.

The Admirals got the win after defenseman Mike Kostka's dump-in hit a stanchion deep in the Marlies zone and bounced into an open net.

Toronto goalie Ben Scrivens was behind the goal to play the incoming puck, but could only watch as the puck took a wild bounce.

The officials didn't notice Norfolk had at least one player offside when the puck was shot in. According to AHL rules, the goal should have been disallowed.

AHL president Dave Andrews says in a statement that despite the error, the result will stand.

Norfolk can clinch the Calder Cup by winning Game 4 on Saturday.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BPsaKNqBXc

[Ahbroody]

SJ Mike, we will just have to agree to disagree on this one....I would not be shocked in the least to see Parise and Suter both end up in Motown. Not as certain as the Cup residing in SoCal this summer....but close. :r

My post was a little over the top. Was trying to drag out Wings fans who are quiet unless there team is playing.

My point was and Tom you know this with the todays Salary cap history means little. Look at how the cup is visiting all kinds of new homes and it appears it will again this year.

Wings recent history is 2010 Sharks took them out in 2nd round. 2011 the same. 2012 the Preds got them in the 1st round. As players looking at teams who want to win a cup they know this. That means they need to produce more then the players that have left over the last few years. If its a cash grab I could see it. If they are looking to win the cup I would think they would look to other teams. The Wings are not two players away and I think that will play a factor if they are looking to win a cup now.

Although who knows maybe the cup is going to Jersey :su

[icehog3]

I think the Wings are still a threat, but there are 7 or 8 real threats in the West, so I get your point to some degree, Mike.

Should have gone with my original thought the other night, that the SCF would go to Game 6.

[GreekGodX]

Wings traded Brad Stuart to the Sharks for a unconditional pick in 2014
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[icehog3]

Devils are the first team since 1945 to go down 3-0 in the Finals and force a Game 6.

[357]

Wings traded Brad Stuart to the Sharks for a unconditional pick in 2014
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MLive.com is reporting it as a 7th round pick.

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2012/06/red_wings_trade_defenseman_bra.html

Wings also got Andrew Murray but like Stuart, he is to become a FA on 7/1.


BTW Mike, I don't know why you like stirring the pot so much. IMO UFAs aren't going to be beating down the door in SJ. They finished two spots back of your least favorite team and likewise got bounced in the first round. So, I'm guessing history might play a part if deciding between the two. One team has a history of doing whatever it takes to win, within reason and with class for the most part. The other team has been used as a verb "going Shark" as a metaphor for choking in the playoffs. :tu

[Wanger]

With the series getting a bit tighter, how is LA going to react? I admittedly haven't seen any games, so I can't say how things have looked. Is LA getting a bit tight/tentative, with NJ Seemingly getting things on track now?

[Ahbroody]

I can't see LA not closing it out. Will be epic if they don't.

Mike look a few posts back I said the Sharks window is likely closed also. I also am very aware they repeatedly have wet the bed in the playoffs and talked about it. I said they would not escape the first round this year also. The core of the club doesn't have heart and they won't win till it changes. I am a hockey fan who lives in San Jose. I watch hockey regardless of who is playing. If the Sharks win great. If not I still love to watch. Flaming the Sharks does not bug me like flaming the Wings bugs you. ;)

I think you place to much value on history. Players in all sports these days seem to play for money or a title. Can't remember in recent history a player going to a team based on the teams past history and not current potential. Again I'm saying if I am those two and want to win now I look two teams that are one player away.

[357]

I understand. I'm more of a Wings fan than a NHL fan. Partially because I don't have time to follow the entire league. I agree that money and chances at a title are the biggest FA motivators. I disagree that the Wings window has closed. Many thought so when Yzerman retired; others when the cap era began. I think the Wings can go either way. With the right additions they'll be right in the mix, top 4 in the West. Without them, they'll struggle. However, history and potential for a title are intertwined often. Sure when you lose a long time superstar you often go into a lull. However, that can be avoided. I have faith in Holland that he can add the right pieces at the right price.

Off the top of my head the Wings have added Rafalski, Marian Hossa, and Ian White via FA since the cap era began. I'm sure they'll be able to fill some needs. Hopefully with some top level talent given what they're losing with Lidstrom's retirement.

[Ahbroody]

Let me say I never said the Wings lack heart. I don't think that. I just see the Wings as a team needing more then two good players to make a serious run given what the last few years has seen. Parise and Suter both have to come and hope some more pieces can be added.

The Sharks have more depth but the core guys just seem to lack in heart. Look at Marleau this year. He should be ashamed of how little he tried in the playoffs. Gutless and no heart. He's far from the only guy. SJ is this place where it sells out almost everynight the weather is great and media pressure is barely a factor. The wrong type of players here seem to lose drive. I like the Stuart addition if he signs. I think he will. His family is here. They should have let marleau go.

[357]

Let me say I never said the Wings lack heart. I don't think that. I just see the Wings as a team needing more then two good players to make a serious run given what the last few years has seen. Parise and Suter both have to come and hope some more pieces can be added.

The Sharks have more depth but the core guys just seem to lack in heart. Look at Marleau this year. He should be ashamed of how little he tried in the playoffs. Gutless and no heart. He's far from the only guy. SJ is this place where it sells out almost everynight the weather is great and media pressure is barely a factor. The wrong type of players here seem to lose drive. I like the Stuart addition if he signs. I think he will. His family is here. They should have let marleau go.

I guess we agree to a point. I think the Wings need to add 3 above average players (2-D, 1-Wing), not including replacing/re-signing Hudler, and re-signing: Abdelkader, Quincy, and Helm.

The Sharks definitely have talent. To be honest I was surprised they went from President's trophy to where you assess them at so quickly.

As far as the Kings. I haven't watched, but a 3-0 collapse in the finals would be beyond epic. It would be historic, even crossing into other sports.

[E.J.]

I'll take that start! Bonus points for Trevor Lewis finding the back of the net!

[jesseboston81]

That major just crushed the Devils. Devastating.
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[E.J.]

That fan behind the Devils bench should have a t-shirt advertising her surgeon(in lieu of her Kings t every game) he did a fantastic job!

[jesseboston81]

That fan behind the Devils bench should have a t-shirt advertising her surgeon(in lieu of her Kings t every game) he did a fantastic job!

Haha, I've been thinking the same thing. This is the only time I've ever looked forward to shots of the bench!
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[Gophernut]

That major just crushed the Devils. Devastating.
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100% correct. Just not a smart play. Cost them a chance at a game 7. Although the way the Kings played, I don't think they had much of a chance.

[E.J.]

That fan behind the Devils bench should have a t-shirt advertising her surgeon(in lieu of her Kings t every game) he did a fantastic job!

Apparently she is a movie star....of the adult kind....

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1218198-taylor-stevens-adult-star-returns-to-staples-center-to-distract-peter-deboer

[Eleven]

That fan behind the Devils bench should have a t-shirt advertising her surgeon(in lieu of her Kings t every game) he did a fantastic job!

http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnhlexperts/Taylor-Stevens.jpg

:banger

[gpugliese]

That fan behind the Devils bench should have a t-shirt advertising her surgeon(in lieu of her Kings t every game) he did a fantastic job!

There's probably some plastic involved, but she used to be a BIG girl, and everything else slimmed down but those.

[Ahbroody]

Motor boat.

Congrats to the Kings. Set some history along the way.

[icehog3]

Amazing run. 8th place seed beats 1,2 and 3 in the West. 16-4. Wow.

Congrats to Dustin Brown, Jonathan Quick, Darryl Sutter and the L.A. Kins! :wnr

Wonder what Philly's management thinks of their statement that they just felt they couldn't win a cup with Mike Richards and Jeff Carter.

Thank goodness Simon Gagne didn't drop the Cup.

[icehog3]

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/dustin2012.jpg

[kugie]

Congrats to the Kings and all their fans!
They had a great playoff Run.

[kelmac07]

Congrats to the Kings!!

[taltos]

Congrats to the Kings on a hard fought victory in the playoffs. It is nice to see a class act like the Sutter family win again along with UMass product Jonathan Quick.:tu

[drjammer]

Congrats to the Kings on a hard fought victory in the playoffs. It is nice to see a class act like the Sutter family win again along with UMass product Jonathan Quick.:tu
:tu

[yourchoice]

Congrats to the Kings and their fans! I was pulling for them to win the series as there are only 2 or 3 teams in the West who I wouldn't have rooted for playing against the Devils, but also was rooting for the many Flyer connections in the organization.

[icehog3]

Congrats to the Kings and their fans! I was pulling for them to win the series as there are only 2 or 3 teams in the West who I wouldn't have rooted for playing against the Devils, but also was rooting for the many Flyer connections in the organization.

Wonder what Philly's management thinks of their statement that they just felt they couldn't win a cup with Mike Richards and Jeff Carter.



Thoughts on my comment, Joel?

[Ahbroody]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/no-one-going-outbid-wild-parise-according-former-220951332--nhl.html

Well if its money and family the wild will be making a big push.

I know everyone is pointing to this alleged discussion that occurred when Parise and Suter were on the U.S. Olympic team in 2010, but I think there are plenty of other things which will factor in.

I like his "no way" on playing for the rangers. Bet some of that is Torts. Got to imagine players not on the team look at that guy and think Fock that!

[E.J.]

2012 Calder = Landeskog

Congrats to Gabriel Landeskog winning the Calder...:tu Kid is a beast....

GO AVS!

[Malazan]

"Malkin gathered the Hart, Ross and Lindsay awards"


You go Evgeni:banger

[Eleven]

"Malkin gathered the Hart, Ross and Lindsay awards"


You go Evgeni:banger

I think I heard his name pronounced 4 different ways last night. I didn't think that was even possible.

[drjammer]

Congrats to Gabriel Landeskog winning the Calder...:tu Kid is a beast....

GO AVS!
It was awesome watching him this past season :banger
Congrats Gabriel!

[Ahbroody]

So excited for tomorrow.
sharks wont be players really but it will be interesting to see who goes where. Sharks will be getting a facelift. 7 UFAs are apparently going to be allowed to walk. Also no suprise Stuart is coming home. He has signed a 3 year deal.

[Ahbroody]

Avs I think with the best scoop so far grabbing PJ from the isles.

[E.J.]

Avs I think with the best scoop so far grabbing PJ from the isles.

Getting Parenteau is big. Sad to see Mueller go.... Business...

[Ahbroody]

In WTF news the Wings sign Tootoo. A player with a history of discipline and substance abuse problems. Is he buddies with Suter?

Bertuzzi and Tootoo on the same team?

[Ahbroody]

In WTF news the Wings sign Tootoo. A player with a history of discipline and substance abuse problems. Is he buddies with Suter?

Bertuzzi and Tootoo on the same team?

Now
Jiri Hudler took his 25 goals 25 assists and +10 rating to the Flames today.

Hey Wings fans that can't be good. With Lindstrom gone, and Stuart and Hudler going to new teams I got to imagine Detroit will really offer a lot of money to try to bring in Parise and Suter.

Radulov goes back to Russia.

[icehog3]

Garrison to the Canucks....big offense from defense if he repeats his performance of last season.

Sabres get Steve Ott from Dallas for Roy, was hoping Ott might come to Chicago.

Jokinen to the Jets....meh.

Radulov back to the KHL is good news for the rest of the division. :2

[Ahbroody]

Ott? Man such a instigator. Love when he gets pounded.

With Hudlers departure from the Wings I just cant see Parise going there. Talking heads brought up Semin as a possible Wings signing. Apparently he has burned his bridge. Funny how a top 4 +/- guy could do that. Now if they signed both Parise andgoing Semin they would immediately be a threat to win the cup with some D help. Could happen.

[E.J.]

Avs extend Erik Johnson.

Hope the stars align and the Avs somehow snag Parise or Suter, who they admit to having talks with.....

[E.J.]

Strange they don't admit to having any talks with Semin, with their need for a LW.....

[357]

Now
Jiri Hudler took his 25 goals 25 assists and +10 rating to the Flames today.

Hey Wings fans that can't be good. With Lindstrom gone, and Stuart and Hudler going to new teams I got to imagine Detroit will really offer a lot of money to try to bring in Parise and Suter.

Radulov goes back to Russia.

Apparently Hudler wasn't a favorite with the team. They wanted him to go. I'm not saying that because he left, that's been the talk for a long time. The word is the Wings didn't make an offer.

I would love to Semin come to the D. The talk I'm hearing is Parise to the Penguins and Suter to the Wings.

[Bruins Fan]

Bruins are doing nothing,Chiarelli is sitting with his thumb up his keister,we need a freaking goal scorer or two. :sh

[Ahbroody]

Apparently Hudler wasn't a favorite with the team. They wanted him to go. I'm not saying that because he left, that's been the talk for a long time. The word is the Wings didn't make an offer.

I would love to Semin come to the D. The talk I'm hearing is Parise to the Penguins and Suter to the Wings.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=399877

Holy crap. He turned down Detroits offer of 80 Mill so they offer him 90 For 13the years.
I got to say to me this shows Detroit is no longer a place players are trying to get to. I got to imagine he will take the money. Its just too much.

Multiple local honks hear are reporting the Sharks have made an offer for Rick Nash. The offer includes either or both Pavelski or Clowe

[icehog3]

Jagr to the Stars for 1 year at 4.5 million. Stars have been quite active, we'll see if it pushes them into the playoff picture.

[Ahbroody]

Lol Suter and Parise both sign with the wild. Awesome for the Wild organization, but I really think they over paid. Still nice to see an organization with such a strong fan base reward its fans.

Mike I said it before. In todays NHL history means nothing and the Wings have been on a down turn for a few years. Players will not take less or close to the same for history. Detroit is no longer that desired location for players trying to win a cup. You were right about Suter and Parise wanting to play together. You were just wrong about them wanting to play for Detroit. Have a felling Detroit is going to over pay for some players much like White last year. Semin if he goes is going to get paid well. Lot of teams with room is going to drive his price up very high. Wings may have to trade for some D but obviously Zet aNd Dats are off table which doesnt leave much room.

Wonder if Detroit is on Nash list. I know San Jose is.

[icehog3]

Unreal. Bummed that one of the two didn't land on the Hawks, but excited to see how this will affect hockey in Minny. Congrats to our Wild fans!

[Ahbroody]

I am not really excited about the Sharks going after Nash. He strikes me as another Marleau who will just be happy to win in the regular season enjoy the weather but not a guy who will give everything in the playoffs. Who knows?

[Fredo456]

Apparently Hudler wasn't a favorite with the team. They wanted him to go. I'm not saying that because he left, that's been the talk for a long time. The word is the Wings didn't make an offer.

I would love to Semin come to the D. The talk I'm hearing is Parise to the Penguins and Suter to the Wings.

If they didn't like Hudler, I can't believe they'd like Semin. I'd bet this guy is bound for the motherland.

Unreal. Bummed that one of the two didn't land on the Hawks, but excited to see how this will affect hockey in Minny. Congrats to our Wild fans!

I fell from my seat when I heard these news. We expected this to happen, but in Detroit. I didn't expect either to wind up with the Canadiens, so I'm not bummed.
It's great news for Minnesota. This franchise tanked for most, if not all, of its existence and now there appears to be better days ahead (and perhaps for the next 13 years). With both goalies re-signed, they might be light on the backend, with only 6 Ds inked.
They don't have any more cap space, so I guess they'll have to promote some youngsters. According to hockeysfuture.com, Brodin might be ready to make the jump, but I think he'd have to put on some muscle, because at about 170 lbs, he's a little light for the big leagues.

[357]

Lol Suter and Parise both sign with the wild. Awesome for the Wild organization, but I really think they over paid. Still nice to see an organization with such a strong fan base reward its fans.

Mike I said it before. In todays NHL history means nothing and the Wings have been on a down turn for a few years. Players will not take less or close to the same for history. Detroit is no longer that desired location for players trying to win a cup. You were right about Suter and Parise wanting to play together. You were just wrong about them wanting to play for Detroit. Have a felling Detroit is going to over pay for some players much like White last year. Semin if he goes is going to get paid well. Lot of teams with room is going to drive his price up very high. Wings may have to trade for some D but obviously Zet aNd Dats are off table which doesnt leave much room.

Wonder if Detroit is on Nash list. I know San Jose is.

I can't believe I'm dignifying this with a response but you said the White signing was a good one. His cap hit is not large and he's been very good.

As other teams in the running said, Minnesota offered something the other teams couldn't; returning home for Parise and Mrs. Suter. Not to mention Suter won't be far from his native Wisconsin. I would have like to see them in the winged wheel but I hardly think this is the NHL players sending a message that Detroit is no longer a desired destination in the NHL. :rolleyes:

[Wanger]

Haven't logged in for about 2 weeks. Figure I better add my :2 here, at least.

July 4th was a WONDERFUL day! Got home from a 40 mile trining ride to my wife telling me that Suter signed. I go to look on my phone and she tells me Parise signed, too. I was surprised, elated, and felt the hair raise on my arms. Signing them was HUGE for the franchise. It re-energized one of the most passionate fanbases in the NHL. When you can get 10,000 and more to show up for a high school championship game, you know your state has a love affair with hockey.

As for the signings and the money, I think that most Wild fans are OK with it. You look at how the contracts are structured, and you see that they're very frontloaded, with HUGH signing bonuses due for the first 2 years. What that does is foce them to develop their youngsters, something that they were planning on doing, anyways. We (Wild fans) have known that they have a stockpile of talent coming up in the next couple years. Some of them include Granlund, Brodin, Bullmer, Zucker, Gustafson, Coyle, etc. I've read that they have 7 of the top 49 prospects in their system. The frontloaded deals allow them to bring those guys up and develop them as a team, and then have the flexibility to resign them to larger deals when their rookie contracts are up. The fanbase was excited about all these young guys even before signing Suter and Parise. They add instant depth, and make the Wild relevant in the league. Remember that they were leading the league in December last season when a rash of injuries derailed their season. They'll have a top front line that will be able to score with anyone in the league, and a solid second line. Their D may be a bit suspect, but even with a lack of depth back there last year, they were reasonably solid, so I'm not too worried about that. But this move wasn't about this next year or the year after. This was about the next 5-8 years, with both Suter and Parise being just 27. I see big things on the horizon for this team after these signings.

I'm glad some friends of ours asked us to split their season tickets with them. :) The X will be rocking for the next few years, I hope.

And as Parise is a Fighting Sioux, of course we had to go get jerseys on Thursday. He he.
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[Ahbroody]

I can't believe I'm dignifying this with a response but you said the White signing was a good one. His cap hit is not large and he's been very good.

As other teams in the running said, Minnesota offered something the other teams couldn't; returning home for Parise and Mrs. Suter. Not to mention Suter won't be far from his native Wisconsin. I would have like to see them in the winged wheel but I hardly think this is the NHL players sending a message that Detroit is no longer a desired destination in the NHL. :rolleyes:

Condensed version I have excuses why for the past few years no big name free agent has signed with the Wings and why now star players are leaving.

No big names are coming. They need to start offering up big money for people to come. Apparently bigger then Suters offer. Hell Green just resigned with the Caps. Your not in the running for Nash as they want someone of equal scoring. You got that drunk mental case tootoo though so between him and Bertuzzi maybe they are going for a different style. I'm poking yah Mike, but really its not going to be a good year. I am not saying Sharks are going to do anything other then choke again, but Wings are one or two off seasons like this from becoming a non playoff team.

Is Homer retiring also? If he returns he will be gone next year for sure
http://mobile.mlive.com/advannarbor/pm_105108/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=UrCnQHov

Semins I thought would be signed by now.
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1260169-nhl-free-agents-2012-alexander-semin-would-be-crazy-to-go-to-russia

My understanding is he wants to go to a cup contender and wants a multi year deal. I think the multi year deal offers are coming from teams that are not cup contenders. Suprised Ove has not tried to help him.

[357]

I'm pretty sure Homer is retiring. At least I hope so. Can't hold a roster spot for a PP specialist who will play 8 min/game. His skating ability has lacked for years. Now it's a huge liability.

Concerning free agency, you might be right. The Wings might be in a position where they don't want to get locked into a really bad contract just to fill a roster spot. Is Doan worth $30+ million for 4 years at 35? No. I'd like to see him come here but that's reportedly what an Easter conf team has offered him. I hope the Wings don't throw that kind of money at him. I'd rather wait and see who else we can get in FA or via trade. If no major moves then maybe they will struggle for a year or two and pick in the middle of the 1st round for the first time in 20 years.

[Wanger]

Sounds like the Flyers offered Weber 14 years for ~$100 million. Will Nashville match or let him walk and take the 4 first round picks. Would be tough for Nashville to lose their entire top blue line, I imagine.

[icehog3]

I don't see how the Preds can not match the offer sheet, I think their fans will freak if they do not.

[Fredo456]

Sounds like the Flyers offered Weber 14 years for ~$100 million. Will Nashville match or let him walk and take the 4 first round picks. Would be tough for Nashville to lose their entire top blue line, I imagine.

The amount is said to be 110 M$, so it would be 7.85 M$ per year, about the same as his previous salary (7,5 M$). It would only yield a compensation of two 1st round picks, a 2nd and a 3rd.

I don't see how the Preds can not match the offer sheet, I think their fans will freak if they do not.

My first reaction was "they can't afford it", now I'm rather thinking "they can't afford not to".

OTOH, even with Weber on board, they can't carry this team just Rinne and him. There doesn't seem to be much prospect wise, and there is nothing left on the team, either on defense or up front (they don't have a first line).

I think they're doomed, short term, wether they match the offer sheet or not. If they don't, there's no guarantee they'll be able to draft worthwhile prospects with the compensation.

[Ahbroody]

Going to be interesting. If they don't lock him up the team is now a goalie and fans will be destroyed and I imagine attendance will drop. What is interesting is the Philly Pronger deal and I think the over 4 mill per year they are on the hook for until 2016 if he retires. Is it more then that?

Funny I know atleast one team in desperate need that was going to make a big push for him next year based on what fans were writing. Next years big free agent is already going to get locked up it appears.

[Fredo456]

What is interesting is the Philly Pronger deal and I think the over 4 mill per year they are on the hook for until 2016 if he retires. Is it more then that?


His salary is $4,921,429 until the end of the 2016-17 season. By then, he'll be 42 years old and obviously not playing anymore. Even if he retires, he'll remain on the payroll and count towards the cap, because his contract is a 35+ (years old at the time of signing).

[Partagaspete]

The amount is said to be 110 M$, so it would be 7.85 M$ per year, about the same as his previous salary (7,5 M$). It would only yield a compensation of two 1st round picks, a 2nd and a 3rd.



My first reaction was "they can't afford it", now I'm rather thinking "they can't afford not to".

OTOH, even with Weber on board, they can't carry this team just Rinne and him. There doesn't seem to be much prospect wise, and there is nothing left on the team, either on defense or up front (they don't have a first line).

I think they're doomed, short term, wether they match the offer sheet or not. If they don't, there's no guarantee they'll be able to draft worthwhile prospects with the compensation.


Philly was ver, very Savvy in how they are structuring the contract. The preds are worth around 160 Mil. Shea's contract for the first year would be 27 Mil for one player. I don't think the preds can afford that.

I think it is a bad deal all around unless the Flyers are looking to do a sign and trade...

on the other side I do feel the Preds days are numbered as an org.

[Fredo456]

I think it is a bad deal all around unless the Flyers are looking to do a sign and trade...

What do you mean? There's no upside in sacrificing draft picks to sign Weber just to trade him to somebody else.

Unless I misunderstood you...

[Ahbroody]

Nash goes to the East on Rangers.

Who's left Semin and Doan? Wonder if Canucks are shopping Luongo.

[icehog3]

Rangers just got a whole lot better.

I don't think many teams will take on Luongo's contract. Maybe Tallon in Florida?

My guess is Doan stays in AZ if he can get some assurance that the team's sale will go through, and I can see Semin going KHL.

[Bigwaved]

They got Nash for a pick and those three? Wow...that Howson dude in Columbus may not survive that one.

[icehog3]

They got Nash for a pick and those three? Wow...that Howson dude in Columbus may not survive that one.

The Jackets as a franchise may not....

[Bigwaved]

The Jackets as a franchise may not....
It is possible.

[Eleven]

The Jackets as a franchise may not....


I don't even care anymore.

[Stogeyfish]

The Stanley Cup is coming to my work on Wednesday! Woo Hoo! :tu

We can touch it but aren't allowed to lift it off the table.

[icehog3]

The Stanley Cup is coming to my work on Wednesday! Woo Hoo! :tu

We can touch it but aren't allowed to lift it off the table.

Get a picture of you touching it, Don, we can make a collage. :D

[icehog3]

I don't even care anymore.

If I was a CBJ fan, I wouldn't either....terrible, terrible trade.

[icehog3]

Preds matched Philly's offer sheet to Shea Weber.

[Bigwaved]

Preds matched Philly's offer sheet to Shea Weber.
:tu

[Bigwaved]

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[icehog3]

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Strong kid. :tu

[357]

Preds matched Philly's offer sheet to Shea Weber.

Everyone was praising Philly for the offer but most failed to mention it could have cost them not only the $110 million but also up to 4 first round picks. The loss of those picks could cripple any team for a long time.


BTW, I have to admit I think the Wings are in big trouble if they can't somehow get a top 4 (for them) d-man. That playoff streak might be in jeopardy.

[icehog3]

Carolina signed Alexander Semin to a one year deal for 7 mill.

[Fredo456]

Everyone was praising Philly for the offer but most failed to mention it could have cost them not only the $110 million but also up to 4 first round picks. The loss of those picks could cripple any team for a long time.

The amount is said to be 110 M$, so it would be 7.85 M$ per year, about the same as his previous salary (7,5 M$). It would only yield a compensation of two 1st round picks, a 2nd and a 3rd.


Your statement still stands, it could have crippled them, but less so.

[Fredo456]

Carolina signed Alexander Semin to a one year deal for 7 mill.

I thought he was going back to Russia, but he might be a good fit in Carolina. OTOH, since nobody else wanted him, I'd have thought they could have had a discount. He's certainly not worth 7 M outside the KHL.

[icehog3]

He's certainly not worth 7 M outside the KHL.

Agreed....Unless he brings his "A Game" every night (and he never has), he certainly isn't worth anywhere near 7 million.

[Eleven]

Carolina signed Alexander Semin to a one year deal for 7 mill.

I'll miss these jokes:

http://rlv.zcache.com/ovi_laichs_semin_tshirt-p235688647024875174enwjd_400.jpg

[Ahbroody]

Everyone was praising Philly for the offer but most failed to mention it could have cost them not only the $110 million but also up to 4 first round picks. The loss of those picks could cripple any team for a long time.


BTW, I have to admit I think the Wings are in big trouble if they can't somehow get a top 4 (for them) d-man. That playoff streak might be in jeopardy.

No secret Boyle is being shopped by the Sharks especially after signing Stuart. He's 36 and has 2 years I think left at over 6 mill. After the Quincey committed armed robbery getting almost 8 million for 2 years. Maybe the Wings will make a play. Rumor mill says Preds and Wings both kicking tires. If I'm the Sharks I play hard ball as he has interest from some teams in the East also. Hope they make it hurt a little if its the Wings or Preds.