Game of Thrones

[PeteSB75]

Anyone else as simultaneously excited and worried about this? The books are incredible, very dark, bloody as hell and I just can't seem to put them down. I just hope they will at least try to do the first book justice.

http://www.hbo.com/#/game-of-thrones

[JackSchwartz]

Anyone else as simultaneously excited and worried about this? The books are incredible, very dark, bloody as hell and I just can't seem to put them down. I just hope they will at least try to do the first book justice.

http://www.hbo.com/#/game-of-thrones

Man, I hope they get the show right. I picked up the first book in the series when I heard about the tv show. I blasted through all the books in the series, can't wait till the new book comes out.

I love that they finally have some videos available now. Looks good so far. My wife and I cancelled HBO last year but might have to pick it back up again in 2011.

Eric

[Emjaysmash]

I've started the first book, but never finished it. Looks like I won't be able to see it if it's only on HBO...

[earnold25]

i just wish he'd write the books faster. i've been waiting for the next one (A Dance with Dragons) for like 5 years now. ugh.

anyway, my thoughts on the show are positive. I've never really disliked the quality of an HBO show, so I think it will be good.

[BluesGuy]

5 Years between books....that's reason enough not to start reading them.

[JackSchwartz]

I've started the first book, but never finished it. Looks like I won't be able to see it if it's only on HBO...

The first book drags a little in the beginning, mostly because he seems to be setting everything up for the rest of the series. If you can get half way through the first book the last half is outstanding and will make you want to keep reading.

My wife is really enjoying not paying for HBO now (more shoes for her) so I know it's going to be tough to get her to sign up again. I'm going to have to pick my battles here. I've been debating whether to pick up the NHL package or wait and see if I can get her to subscribe to HBO again.

[blugill]

I've started the first book, but never finished it. Looks like I won't be able to see it if it's only on HBO...

I also started the first book and lost interest about half way through.
Might pick it up again, we'll see.

[Emjaysmash]

It got interesting for a little while, but once school started I couldn't read anymore and lost interest.

[foomanto]

the whole series is awesome. i could not put the books down once i started reading them. its been waaaaaay to long seance the last book. hope the show can live up.

[blugill]

From the behind the scenes stuff on You Tube from HBO it looks like the series will be dead on. There are even interviews with George R.R. Martin talking about everything.
The lines are spot on from what you catch of them at times.

[tsolomon]

Like many of the Sci Fi series, I lost interest waiting for the next book to come out. This is one of several series that I started and no longer remember which books I have and haven't read. The books were good and I want to get back to the series at some point in future. Now where is that last WoT book?

[LostAbbott]

Hopefully he will get this next book done, and it will be the end. I hate when they go on and on and keep adding books. Wheel of Time just got terrible so much so that it ruined the first four books(that were actually good)

[Ratters]

The first book drags a little in the beginning, mostly because he seems to be setting everything up for the rest of the series. If you can get half way through the first book the last half is outstanding and will make you want to keep reading.

My wife is really enjoying not paying for HBO now (more shoes for her) so I know it's going to be tough to get her to sign up again. I'm going to have to pick my battles here. I've been debating whether to pick up the NHL package or wait and see if I can get her to subscribe to HBO again.

Patience and Netflix go a long way. ;)

Like many of the Sci Fi series, I lost interest waiting for the next book to come out. This is one of several series that I started and no longer remember which books I have and haven't read. The books were good and I want to get back to the series at some point in future. Now where is that last WoT book?

Yeah, I gave up on reading any series books. Had it happen too many times where the last book never comes out and you're just left hanging.

[Brutus2600]

Hopefully he will get this next book done, and it will be the end. I hate when they go on and on and keep adding books. Wheel of Time just got terrible so much so that it ruined the first four books(that were actually good)

There are two more planned after this next one coming out. This next one will only focus on the Northern characters, as Feast for Crows focused on the Southern characters, however it sounds like the characters across the sea will be in both. All I'm hoping for is that he doesn't take 5 years to release the next book like he did the previous two...


As far as the series, I'm really excited for it and only minimally worried (as much as anybody should be for a book to tv or movie transfer).

With each preview however I'm more and more satisfied that HBO will do this series right. I just finished the fourth book Friday and I'm VERY much so looking forward to see this.

Also can't wait for July 12th and the next book :tu

[DTM]

I just picked up the first four books. Hoping to be through the first before the show starts.

[Brutus2600]

You've got four days :tu Sit down with a good cigar and get to readin'! That's how I read most of the series ;) lol

[spizz]

Don't know if I will like it as the preview didn't really capture my imagination. Will watch the first ep to see if its any good.

[Humpdebump]

Don't know if I will like it as the preview didn't really capture my imagination. Will watch the first ep to see if its any good.

I have never read the books. I just saw the preview because I have free HBO for weekend. I thought it looked pretty good, might even have to order the channel because of that and other shows. We'll see, definetly going to watch Sunday.

[BFallehy]

I love the books. I was a little worried about this aswell because whenever I read a book then see a movie or show based on it I am usualy let down.

But I have watched the making of videos that have been made and the fact that the writer is pretty involved I have high hopes. I can't wait for this to start.

[blugill]

You've got four days :tu Sit down with a good cigar and get to readin'! That's how I read most of the series ;) lol

Good luck! It's like 800 pages! A tall order for four days!

[blugill]

Yeah, I gave up on reading any series books. Had it happen too many times where the last book never comes out and you're just left hanging.

The Sword of Truth series is completed and finished. It is darn good and pretty epic. They attempted a series of that set of novels as well but it failed as it strayed WAY off course from the books and alienated the entire fan base.

I've never understood that with producers. You have an automatic fan base built right in to any series. Why stray and so far away from the source material where the characters have the same names and that's about it? I mean if the books are so good that it developed a fan base why not attempt to be faithful to the story and attract more fans while not losing the original fans?

This doesn't seem to be the case with Game of Thrones. George R.R. Martin appears to have been very involved with the series and in the small making of segments they've had exact lines lifted from the novels in some inconsequential scenes. It appears to be very faithful to the source material.

[Brutus2600]

The Sword of Truth series is completed and finished. It is darn good and pretty epic. They attempted a series of that set of novels as well but it failed as it strayed WAY off course from the books and alienated the entire fan base.

This is exactly what happened to Robert Jordan and Wheel of Time for the middle chunk of the series, unfortunately when he realized he was dying and started to get the series back on track a) a lot of fans had already moved on and b) he didn't live long enough to finish the series.

Luckily Brandon Sanderson is a great writer and seamlessly finished the book Jordan was halfway through and has done a great job finishing up the series so far. One more book and I'll finally finish this decade long love affair (completely with ups and downs), haha.

I agree that Martin seems to have stayed true to the original story and has done a GREAT job telling to story...I just wish he could've released more than 4 books in a 15 year period :( Doesn't give me much hope that he'll finish the 7 book series by 2020, lol

[blugill]

I meant that they tried a TV series, it was called The Legend of the Seeker.
It lasted two seasons as it got so far off track from the books that it was just way different.

[Brutus2600]

Oooooh yeah...I heard about the series and never watched it. It sounded awful.

[Humpdebump]

Just watched it and thought it was pretty good. First ones are always kinda slow but this one kept my interest and with the coming attractions it definetly looks good.

[yachties23]

I honestly think it was well done. But as someone who hasn't read the books, I wish they could have explained the overview of the kingdom just a bit, maybe through narration.

[Emjaysmash]

I meant that they tried a TV series, it was called The Legend of the Seeker.
It lasted two seasons as it got so far off track from the books that it was just way different.

Oooooh yeah...I heard about the series and never watched it. It sounded awful.

I am a big SoT fan. The show was entertaining from a TV aspect, from someone who read the series, the show was complete and utter drivel. I had to tell myself that this was purely for entertainment and in no way was trying to emulate the books, otherwise I would get angry.

[Brutus2600]

Watched the premier last night and within the first 2 minutes I was so excited how closely they were sticking to the book and how well they translated those scenes into the show. I do agree though that there is some basic background that's covered in the book during the scenes that if I was watching it for the first time I would've been a little lost, but having read the series it was almost like going back and reading it again it was so well done.

So not to spoil any of it for people who haven't seen it or read the books, but so far I'm VERY impressed with the recreation of the scenes, every actor and actress matches their character in the book insanely well, and of course thank you HBO for making a great show with graphic nudity and violence. If they had taken that out it wouldn't have felt like the same story!

[blugill]

It had a pretty high breast per minute count!

[Eleven]

How can someone who has never read the books get into what's going on? Is just diving in and letting it happen going to be sufficient enough to get up to speed on the story?

[blugill]

How can someone who has never read the books get into what's going on? Is just diving in and letting it happen going to be sufficient enough to get up to speed on the story?

Yup, it's all explained eventually:)

[Brutus2600]

It had a pretty high breast per minute count!

Lol yes...yes it did. Daenerys was by far my favorite so far, haha

[jsnake]

I need to read these on my nook.

[yachties23]

I need to read these on my nook.


Just started reading it on mine. Its great so far.

[Eleven]

First episode was pretty good. I highly doubt I will ever read the books, so this series will be my one and only reference to them.

To everyone who knows the books, please be careful with the spoilers as the tv series unfolds...(not that you guys aren't, just wanted to reiterate that there are plenty of us out here who haven't and won't read the books)

:D

[blugill]

After the debut episode HBO has signed on to produce the second book Clash with Kings!

How cool is that?!
http://www.ugo.com/tv/game-of-thrones-second-season

[Brutus2600]

Wow, after one episode? I mean, I'm sure they had a pretty good idea they would be continuing the series, but it's still great news :)

[TheRiddick]

It had a pretty high breast per minute count!

Have not watched it yet, but I don' think anything will come close to Spartacus series, full frontals (male as well) and all.

[kickerb]

getting ready to watch the 2nd episode tonight, without any spoilers -how was it?

[blugill]

Follows the book very closely!
It was good, the exciting stuff is yet to come!

[kickerb]

awesome!

[rebelknight]

2nd episode really stepped it up. I felt kind of lost after the first episode but I'm starting to get a better idea and it's getting more interesting

[massphatness]

I like this show.

[hscmit]

watched the first 2 tonight and enjoyed them both
hope that little prince and the queen get whats coming to them

[kickerb]

hope that little prince and the queen get whats coming to them

This. I could not believe that crap! Killing the poor wolf and not even the one who bit the prince! And then they kill the butchers son!! Not cool.

Lesson learned: Never screw with a prince, period. It's never going to end well.

[Brutus2600]

Without spoiling anything, Prince Joffery and Queen Cersei are literally my most hated characters in the entire series. Prepare to be frustrated a lot by their actions.

[kickerb]

Without spoiling anything, Prince Joffery and Queen Cersei are literally my most hated characters in the entire series. Prepare to be frustrated a lot by their actions.Well that's not good news. I guess every show needs some type of villain. :sh

[Brutus2600]

Yeah, without a doubt these two are the prominent villains in this series.

[kickerb]

I really like this show because of the detail. I can re-watch the episode and still pick up on things I missed the first go around.

I can only imagine the detail in the books. ;)

[blugill]

The detail of the books is astoundingly vivid and rich!
I believe there are only seven books planned of the series with the fifth coming out this July.

[lilwing88]

I like the show, so far. But I'm really confused by the time line. Stark and Baratheon left for what seemed like a long trip, but were back in no time to resolve the fight between the prince and Stark's daughter. Plus, didn't Stark's wife leave to deliver him a message about a possible assassination attempt? Where was she during the little trial scene?

And Stark's wife said that she was praying for 30 days for her son, yet it seemed like he was only out for a few days.....

I predict that the Queen is an evil plant of some sort and she was behind the assassination. She's creepy.

So, confused....... Didn't help that the last few minutes of the first episode were somehow cut out of my recording.

I need to read the books.

[kickerb]

Stark and Baratheon left for what seemed like a long trip, but were back in no time to resolve the fight between the prince and Stark's daughter.Ned Stark's daughter's traveled back with the King and Ned, as far as I understand it.

[kickerb]

Remember when the King was talking to Ned about being the new 'Hand to The King'? He made a comment about him having a son and Ned having a daughter. Prince Joffrey and Sansa Stark at this point are set to be married. Which would be why she left her home with Ned with the King.

[lilwing88]

Aaaaaaaaa...... Got it. It was weird cuz when he killed the wolf, it seemed like he was right outside his son's window.

Well, that makes more sense. Thanks.

[kickerb]

That whole story line was wicked! I can't believe it. And then 'the hound' killed the butchers boy! Geez, that little Prince is a fcuker for starting the drama!

[lilwing88]

I foresee great things from this series. Dragons, giant wolves, weird forest people...... this is gonna be cool.

[kickerb]

haha, i sure hope so. and i also hope the folks who have read the books already don't ruin anything :tu

[Noodles]

Watched the first two episodes. Probably not going to read the book.

First episode got my attention real quick.

Second episode was a little hohum but still pretty good.

My favorite Character so far, King Robert Baratheon tied with Tyrion Lannister

Second favorite - Daenerys Targaryen :D.

[blugill]

That whole story line was wicked! I can't believe it. And then 'the hound' killed the butchers boy! Geez, that little Prince is a fcuker for starting the drama!

You've got no idea!

[blugill]

Watched the first two episodes. Probably not going to read the book.

First episode got my attention real quick.

Second episode was a little hohum but still pretty good.

My favorite Character so far, King Robert Baratheon tied with Tyrion Lannister

Second favorite - Daenerys Targaryen :D.

There's a lot to build up to.
Tyrion is also one of my favorites and amazingly The Hound as well.

[PeteSB75]

There's a lot to build up to.
Tyrion is also one of my favorites and amazingly The Hound as well.

Tyrion is definitely the best character out of the whole series. Arya is a favorite as well, though she's obviously not gotten much development yet in the show. The Hound is a bastard, but he grows on you.

[Humpdebump]

Watched 2nd episode last night and can't wait for tonights. Never read the books but I can tell this series will really spark my interest.

[blugill]

I'm glad Peter Dinklage snagged such a good role with Tyrion! He's a solid actor and what a great character!

The intrigue begins now that Ned has arrived at King's Landing!

It took me a while to figure out who was playing Jeor Mormont at Castle Black. I knew I knew his face but couldn't place the series! He was in Sons of Anarchy as the priest in the last season!

[kickerb]

I didn't really enjoy episode #3, what did others think?

[rebelknight]

I didn't really enjoy episode #3, what did others think?

I think it definitely lacked something. Haven't exactly put my finger on it though. Episode 2 was really good so maybe I just raised my standards after seeing that. I bet they will rebound with episode 4 though. It's not like every episode can be awesome.

[massphatness]

I think it definitely lacked something. Haven't exactly put my finger on it though.

The boobie quotient was way down -- maybe that was it.

I saw this episode as a "set the scene" type of thing. Went back and re-watched the interchange between Ned and that smarmy sister-fokking prince in the throne room. (God, I love HBO Go on my iPad!) I hope Ned bashes that dude's dome in at some point down the road.

[Noodles]

The boobie quotient was way down -- maybe that was it.



Too much talking and not enough mammary glands. :D

[rebelknight]

The boobie quotient was way down -- maybe that was it.

That may have been what I was looking for. Naturally the "boobie quotient" was down because the episode only had like 5 minutes of the dathraki (sp?) storyline. I think that storyline is more interesting anyway.

[kickerb]

What about the scene with the Queen and Prince Joffrey. That was sickening. I can already tell there is gonna be some crazy stuff started from these two. Heck that sick bicth might even start having s3x with the Prince. Would that be much of a surprise?

[yachties23]

What about the scene with the Queen and Prince Joffrey. That was sickening. I can already tell there is gonna be some crazy stuff started from these two. Heck that sick bicth might even start having s3x with the Prince. Would that be much of a surprise?

I'm not going to touch that....

But the show as a whole was good. Sure it wasn't as climatic as the first two episodes, but the table needs to be set for things that are coming.

[Humpdebump]

What about the scene with the Queen and Prince Joffrey. That was sickening. I can already tell there is gonna be some crazy stuff started from these two. Heck that sick bicth might even start having s3x with the Prince. Would that be much of a surprise?

I never read the books, and I hope there's no spoilers in this thread, but it wouldn't surprise if the prince is the offspring from brother and sister. They're a pretty F'd up family. As for episode 3, I thought it was ok, it sets up alot of things for only the third episode.

[blugill]

There's tons of stuff yet to happen. This series is following the book sometimes as close as line by line. Martin does lots of stage setting for future events, it'll have pay off episodes and set up episodes.

The Dothraki are a very good storyline and become more important as things progress in the series.

[kickerb]

yeah, i was told by one of my buddies who has read the books, that episode was a good springboard episode. says that he expects BIG things in epi 4.

[ahc4353]

Well, I watched all three episodes (twice) so I think I'm caught up. Looking forward to #4.

My favorite part so far is after Ned gets asked to be The Hand of The King and his wife is telling him he has a choice of accepting. To a man like Ned, his only choice is to accept, no questions, no hesitation. It's how he's made, it's what he believes in.

I like Ned.

[massphatness]

Daenerys Targaryen. Think her brother is pissed? I love a hot girl with spunk.

[kickerb]

I just watched epi 4 last night. To me another set up show. I know that epi 5 aired last night. The previews looked awesome.

Vinerys Targaryen is a scumbag! I can't for his sister to cut off his hands or something. haha

And oh wow, has Tyrion got himself in a mess of trouble. That scene where Lady Cateline calls upon allies of her father to 'apprehend' Tyrion! That gave me goosebumps.

[Humpdebump]

Watched episode 5 last night and all I can say is it keeps getting better. Can't wait for next weeks.

[hscmit]

last nights episode was very good
lots of stuff going on

[kickerb]

last nights episode was very good
lots of stuff going on
youre right, i need to watch this one again, i feel there is a few things i missed!

[kickerb]

Can someone help me out here? If the answer to the question will be a spoiler or sorts for furture episodes, then please don't tell me.

Who were the two men talking in the dungeon? The two men Arya overheard talking about killing Ned and something about a rebellion.

Is one of them Lord Varys? Not sure on the spelling, but the Lord in the consel that is the messenger of sorts, the one that's bald.

[jsnake]

Just started the first book and the show. I am really enjoying both. HBO is doing a great job making it come to life.

[kickerb]

Can someone help me out here? If the answer to the question will be a spoiler or sorts for furture episodes, then please don't tell me.

Who were the two men talking in the dungeon? The two men Arya overheard talking about killing Ned and something about a rebellion.

Is one of them Lord Varys? Not sure on the spelling, but the Lord in the consel that is the messenger of sorts, the one that's bald.n/m i figured it out.

[blugill]

Well the table is now set for the two events that throw the Seven Kingdoms into chaos! This is where the book really gets going!

[massphatness]

I accidentally called Grace "Calisi" during the apex of our romantic interlude last night. She was not happy.

:D

[ahc4353]

You won't have to worry about doing it again for a while.:r

[massphatness]

I fear you are correct. :sad

[hscmit]

good episode last night

really liked the golden crown

[kickerb]

really liked the golden crown:tpd: that was straight craziness!!!

[hscmit]

the clank when he hit the ground was the best part imho

[kickerb]

I agree James. I did not see that coming at all. I fell for it. I thought Drogo was going to give him what he wanted (in time of course). Crazy. This show is really great. I can only imagine how the book is.

[jsnake]

I enjoyed the new episode. I am really impressed with the details HBO has put into this. It has to be expensive to make. I really can't wait to finish the first book and start on the others.

[Humpdebump]

This show is awesome. Can't wait for next episode. I agree the golden crown was awesome. Massphatness..... You got me LMAO... Nice job :r

[blugill]

I'm really amazed that A Clash of Kings is actually better than A Game of Thrones book wise!
I'm having a hard time not reading it during the day at work, sneaking a page now and then on my iphone kindle app. I'm going to get in trouble but I can't help it!

[kickerb]

is anyone using hbogo.com?

apparently hbo subcribers can go to that site after an episode on Sunday night and watch the next episode. For instance some people have already watched episode 7. and apparently there is a pretty steamy lesbian sex scene.

[massphatness]

I have HBO GO on my iPad -- haven't gotten around to watching the early release episode. But I will now!

[kickerb]

heh, yeah i wish i was an hbo subscriber. :lv

[kickerb]

I have HBO GO on my iPad -- haven't gotten around to watching the early release episode. But I will now!there my be a time frame on watching the new episode. I know it becomes available Sunday night. Not sure how long its out tho.

[agctribefan]

I've been watching these on dvr. I absolutely love this show. I'm a week or two behind but man it is good. I gotta get the books.

[ahc4353]

Not only do you have to be a HBO subscriber (I am) but your cable carrier has to be one listed on HBOGO which mine isn't. FML!!!

[hscmit]

no big deal, just wait till sunday

[kickerb]

no big deal, just wait till sundayyep, but that whole week is torture :D

[hscmit]

just smoke a cigar and it will be here before you know it

[Humpdebump]

Holy crap, what an episode. Where to start , there were so many things that happened. I won't say anything yet in case no one has seen it. This show is freaking awesome.

[yachties23]

Holy crap, what an episode. Where to start , there were so many things that happened. I won't say anything yet in case no one has seen it. This show is freaking awesome.

Again... give it one more week... if you thought what happened last night was good, the balance of the season is amazing.

[blugill]

Again... give it one more week... if you thought what happened last night was good, the balance of the season is amazing.

Yup, next week should have people stunned!

[kickerb]

yea, great epi. i need to re watch it though. i didnt get the big picture on some of the scenes. you really have to pay attention, u turn away for one second and miss a ton! blah!!!

[Eleven]

Golfing with my oldest son the other day and I mentioned the show, asking him if he had seen any of the episodes yet. I knew he had read the books, but I should have said "DON'T SPOIL ANYTHING".

Too late. He blurted out several things before I could stop him. Not that it really ruins the show for me, but you rarely get that truly anxious feeling while watching anything these days, it's all so predictable.

I may know more than I wanted, but I'm still going to enjoy this. So far it's been dang good TV, even if I have to watch it alone because my wife thinks it's ****ography disguised as Dungeons and Dragons.

Silly auto-modding on those 4 letters IMHO.

[blugill]

Golfing with my oldest son the other day and I mentioned the show, asking him if he had seen any of the episodes yet. I knew he had read the books, but I should have said "DON'T SPOIL ANYTHING".

Too late. He blurted out several things before I could stop him. Not that it really ruins the show for me, but you rarely get that truly anxious feeling while watching anything these days, it's all so predictable.

I may know more than I wanted, but I'm still going to enjoy this. So far it's been dang good TV, even if I have to watch it alone because my wife thinks it's ****ography disguised as Dungeons and Dragons.

Silly auto-modding on those 4 letters IMHO.

Without spoiling anything it would appear that George Martin isn't fond of his "main" characters.

[yourchoice]

I carefully stayed away from this thread until I was caught up on the season. What an incredible series! Generally, this isn't a genre I gravitate toward, but since it was being done on HBO, I gave it a shot and am glad I did. Same thing goes for True Blood. HBO consistently has the best shows on television, IMHO.

And thanks to all who have read the books and have refrained from giving any spoilers. :tu

[kickerb]

I hope Tyrion gets back into the excitement! He is my favorite by far. He has such chilling one liners and small speeches.

[kickerb]

Alright, now I think I got everything. Only one ?

Where is Remly Baratheon going in the South? And why? Will we find out in the next episode?

[blugill]

Alright, now I think I got everything. Only one ?

Where is Remly Baratheon going in the South? And why? Will we find out in the next episode?

Renley is going south because he fears Cersei and Joffery.
He encouraged Eddard to take the iron throne before they did.

[jsnake]

Almost finished reading the book. Kind of disappointed with a few events. Show was good and is sticking pretty close to the book.

[kickerb]

Thanks Andy for clearing that up. That makes a lot of sense.

[agctribefan]

watched the latest episode last night. Holy crap this is a good show! I just started reading the book. There is so much going on in that episode.

[kickerb]

sweet, just started converting the episodes to play on my iPad! finally I have some use for the damn thing!

[Humpdebump]

Another great episode, so many things going on.

[kickerb]

i cannot wait to watch this tonight!!!! i wasnt able to catch it last night unfortunately.

[kickerb]

Spoilers below.....







Yea, so that was a crazy episode. I have watched it twice and I'm still fuzzy on a few things. :sh

-What is Tyrion up to? Who where the barbarian type people he allied with and why? Also, it was interesting how quick Tywin wanted these men to help in battle. That just builds to Tywins ferocious character. :2

-So there are 2 Lannister forces, Tywin's and Jamie's. But where are these forces on the map? Location will help me see all this.

-We were told about the Riverlands once before, but only from King Robert talking about 'making 8' or whatever. He did not claim the Riverlands as part of the Seven Kingdoms. So why would the people of the Riverlands ally with either the Lannisters or the Starks? It seemed that the Riverlands are of some importance in winning battles....

-Bannerman means what? Rob Stark said to round up the bannerman? Are these people that are allied with the Starks? Why?

Haha, and why the hell was Hordor running around naked? That was just weird. :confused:

P.S. I REALLY hope Serio whooped that beastly of a mans ass after Arya left! :banger

[kickerb]

i guess i mean Riverlords, not Riverlands. Now I'm getting myself confused. Dammit.

[Humpdebump]

Tyrion teamed up with those barbarians because they were going to kill his buddy and make him a clown, something like that. So he did what any Lanister would do and bribed him with money. The bannerman are the ones who fly the winter fell banners I think. As far as horath, I thing they just wanted to show why he's a star :r

[Humpdebump]

Hordor, I mean, he's like this :sh

[kickerb]

Spoilers below.....







Yea, so that was a crazy episode. I have watched it twice and I'm still fuzzy on a few things. :sh

-What is Tyrion up to? Who where the barbarian type people he allied with and why? Also, it was interesting how quick Tywin wanted these men to help in battle. That just builds to Tywins ferocious character. :2

-So there are 2 Lannister forces, Tywin's and Jamie's. But where are these forces on the map? Location will help me see all this.

-We were told about the Riverlands once before, but only from King Robert talking about 'making 8' or whatever. He did not claim the Riverlands as part of the Seven Kingdoms. So why would the people of the Riverlands ally with either the Lannisters or the Starks? It seemed that the Riverlands are of some importance in winning battles....

-Bannerman means what? Rob Stark said to round up the bannerman? Are these people that are allied with the Starks? Why?

Haha, and why the hell was Hordor running around naked? That was just weird. :confused:

P.S. I REALLY hope Serio whooped that beastly of a mans ass after Arya left! :banger

i guess i mean Riverlords, not Riverlands. Now I'm getting myself confused. Dammit.

Tyrion teamed up with those barbarians because they were going to kill his buddy and make him a clown, something like that. So he did what any Lanister would do and bribed him with money. The bannerman are the ones who fly the winter fell banners I think. As far as horath, I thing they just wanted to show why he's a star :r

Okay, it seems I over thought the scene with Tyrion and the hill tribes. It was means to an end. Tyrion only bribed them. I forget the knowledge that Tyrion has. He is able to bribe this men based on what they want the most, the Vale of Arryn.

As far as I can tell the Starks' host moves South and have reached the neck. It seems that Jamie is in Riverrun and Tywin is on Riverroad near Lord Harroways' Town. At least that is what I picked up on the map displaying in the episode. The Starks elect to challange Jamie first and will need to cross the river at 'The Twins'. I found a map (http://shaghaghi.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/WesterosMap1.jpg) that might help people who have not read the book, like my self.

I think I was confusing Riverlands that the King mentioned before and the Riverlords. Is it that the Riverlords are in the Riverlands? Can someone explain this?

Yea, the bannerman from what I can find on the net are men who carry banners, flags, and etc. But I think in this context it reffers to allies to the Starks. Robb said that the bannerman swore an oath to the Stark Kingdom, but are NOT actual Starks or people of the Kingdom. Any more insight on this one?

btw, thanks for the help Chris.

[Brutus2600]

Spoilers below.....


Yea, so that was a crazy episode. I have watched it twice and I'm still fuzzy on a few things. :sh

-What is Tyrion up to? Who where the barbarian type people he allied with and why? Also, it was interesting how quick Tywin wanted these men to help in battle. That just builds to Tywins ferocious character. :2

-So there are 2 Lannister forces, Tywin's and Jamie's. But where are these forces on the map? Location will help me see all this.

-We were told about the Riverlands once before, but only from King Robert talking about 'making 8' or whatever. He did not claim the Riverlands as part of the Seven Kingdoms. So why would the people of the Riverlands ally with either the Lannisters or the Starks? It seemed that the Riverlands are of some importance in winning battles....

-Bannerman means what? Rob Stark said to round up the bannerman? Are these people that are allied with the Starks? Why?

Haha, and why the hell was Hordor running around naked? That was just weird. :confused:

P.S. I REALLY hope Serio whooped that beastly of a mans ass after Arya left! :banger

-Tyrion is basically trying to take his fate into his own hands. The barbarians are the hill people that live outside the Vale of Arryn that attacked Catelyn's party when they were on their way to the Vale originally. Tyrion knew that if he couldn't bribe them (with real steel and not the crappy weapons they were using) that him and his one guy couldn't make it past them alive.

-I haven't seen this episode yet, but from what I remember from the books Jamie is camped outside of Riverrun? But I can't remember. Here is a map that sections out the "states" pretty well: Political Map of Westeros (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lRQXN76u8e8/TVMc5XW-m6I/AAAAAAAAAQQ/78EzQKXlAXc/s1600/Map_Westeros_Political.gif)

The Riverlands allied with the Starks because Catelyn Stark used to be Catelyn Tully, and House Tully rules the Riverlands. The reason they are important is just their geographical location (see the map above).

Bannerman in this sense is talking about all the lords that have sworn to House Stark. For instance, House Tully and House Frey are two of Robb Stark's bannermen.

Hodor was running around naked because...well he's not all there. He's just a simpleton that they never really describe as such well in the show, but describe him as such in the books. All he knows how to say is his name, Hodor, and can take orders but other than that isn't very bright.

Okay, it seems I over thought the scene with Tyrion and the hill tribes. It was means to an end. Tyrion only bribed them. I forget the knowledge that Tyrion has. He is able to bribe this men based on what they want the most, the Vale of Arryn.

As far as I can tell the Starks' host moves South and have reached the neck. It seems that Jamie is in Riverrun and Tywin is on Riverroad near Lord Harroways' Town. At least that is what I picked up on the map displaying in the episode. The Starks elect to challange Jamie first and will need to cross the river at 'The Twins'. I found a map (http://shaghaghi.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/WesterosMap1.jpg) that might help people who have not read the book, like my self.

I think I was confusing Riverlands that the King mentioned before and the Riverlords. Is it that the Riverlords are in the Riverlands? Can someone explain this?

Yea, the bannerman from what I can find on the net are men who carry banners, flags, and etc. But I think in this context it reffers to allies to the Starks. Robb said that the bannerman swore an oath to the Stark Kingdom, but are NOT actual Starks or people of the Kingdom. Any more insight on this one?

btw, thanks for the help Chris.

Yes, the Riverlords are the rulers in the Riverlands. House Tully and House Frey are both Riverlords. What King Robert said about "making the 8" was in reference to sleeping with girls from each region of Westeros.

[kickerb]

ok, thanks Brian! having a map really helps with this episode. there is a lot of talk about location.

[kickerb]

So am I correct in saying that both Lannisters' hosts are located in the Riverlands? at this point in the episodes?

I know you said you didnt watch the latest episode, but you still may know.

[Brutus2600]

I believe they are both there, one outside Riverrun and the other at Harrenhal. I can't remember exactly however.

The opening to the show is kind of nice because it gives you a general idea of what Westeros looks like, but they only really highlight major places like King's Landing, Winterfell, and the Wall. In the books each one has a full map so you can quickly look up where the hell they're talking about, so without that yeah, it can be kind of confusing.

[kickerb]

yea, i missed the portion where Tywin traveled from Casterly rock to where he is now. Thats why I love these episodes, there is so much detail to pick up on. Every mention of him before now said Tywin was in casterly rock. or maybe they just said he was the ruler of casterly rock.

[kickerb]

THIS is super helpful. (http://i.cdn.hbo.com/assets/images/series/game-of-thrones/downloads/viewers-guide-150-low.pdf) Just found this on the HBO site.

[Eleven]

I can't believe there are only 2 episodes left. WTF. Me and the wife would sit and watch 24 and be stunned at how fast the time went each episode, I think GoT seems to go even faster.

I was super pissed when this latest episode ended so quickly. NO way it was 1 hour!

I wonder if episode 10 will be just 1, or 2 hours?

[blugill]

Glad they picked up Clash of Kings:) Not sure if they could fit that book into ten episodes or not though.

[Brutus2600]

THIS is super helpful. (http://i.cdn.hbo.com/assets/images/series/game-of-thrones/downloads/viewers-guide-150-low.pdf) Just found this on the HBO site.

That is helpful! Didn't know about it, thanks :tu

Glad they picked up Clash of Kings:) Not sure if they could fit that book into ten episodes or not though.

Yeah, I was surprised that they've been able to fit so much into this season and actually did the book justice. Fantastically done series so far.

[kickerb]

I can't believe there are only 2 episodes left. WTF. Me and the wife would sit and watch 24 and be stunned at how fast the time went each episode, I think GoT seems to go even faster.

I was super pissed when this latest episode ended so quickly. NO way it was 1 hour!

I wonder if episode 10 will be just 1, or 2 hours?really? where did you find that out? HBO likes to do 12 episode seasons.

[kickerb]

damn i guess youre right, they have to be finished before True Blood starts. well that sucks!!

[Brutus2600]

I don't know if any of you visit Reddit, but Emilia Clarke (actress who plays Daenerys) is doing a question/answer thread there! Pretty awesome...

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/humc6/iam_emilia_clarke_i_play_daenerys_in_hbos_game_of/

[hscmit]

just caught up on the last two episodes and hbo is doing a good job, my only thing critique, wish they had left the blackfish in.

this next episode should be good.

[kickerb]

my only thing critique, wish they had left the blackfish in.you will have to explain so long as it doesnt ruin anything for the last 2 episodes....

[Humpdebump]

I'm kind of bummed that the first book is just one season (10 episodes). I think I read that it's a series of 7 books, right? So I guess it's not going to be a long standing show, which sucks cause this show is great.

[hscmit]

you will have to explain so long as it doesnt ruin anything for the last 2 episodes....

he was one of the characters from the book (catelyn stark's uncle) and was a general badass

[hscmit]

I'm kind of bummed that the first book is just one season (10 episodes). I think I read that it's a series of 7 books, right? So I guess it's not going to be a long standing show, which sucks cause this show is great.

the last 2 books are as of yet unfinished so it could go the way of dexter and peel away from the books after a time, or it could be finished even sooner

[kickerb]

sh|t, i was researching some information on Gendry and I spoiled the rest of the season, ****!

[Humpdebump]

sh|t, i was researching some information on Gendry and I spoiled the rest of the season, ****!

Haha, I know what you mean. I went to George Martin sight to find out how many books were in the series and he had a page from the new book there that I read and it definetly spoiled a couple of things for me.

[blugill]

There should be a pretty big even happen in tonight's episode!
Things in Westeros will not be the same!

[yachties23]

There should be a pretty big even happen in tonight's episode!
Things in Westeros will not be the same!

You know, this is the episode I've waited all season for. Sadly there are only two left, can't wait for season 2.

[rebelknight]

Finally all caught up. Great show if I ever get the time ill pick up the books

[jsnake]

I just downloaded the next 3 books and A Clash of Kings is off to a good start. I just can't put it down. Love the show. I really think HBO is doing it justice and I am hooked. Next season will be great. The newest book comes out next month just fyi.

[hscmit]

so what did everyone think of last nights episode?

[Eleven]

so what did everyone think of last nights episode?

Even knowing how some things are going to unfold, it doesn't take away from the impact of actually seeing it play out.

I also kind of like and appreciate the fact that they don't waste time on epic battle scenes and focus much more on the human aspect and interactions.

[ahc4353]

Not happy about Ned!!

[kickerb]

yea, that is what was spoiled for me the other day. crappy. and im not happy about it. i really liked Neds character. I cannot wait to see what happens with Dany! :wo

[hscmit]

yep was not happy about ned getting killed off in the book

[yourchoice]

I really liked Ned's character too, but when every character is eligable to be killed, it makes the drama much more gripping. I thought last night's episode was fantastic.
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[kickerb]

I really liked Ned's character too, but when every character is eligable to be killed, it makes the drama much more gripping. I thought last night's episode was fantastic.
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[blugill]

I really liked Ned's character too, but when every character is eligable to be killed, it makes the drama much more gripping. I thought last night's episode was fantastic.
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That's exactly right, when you think a main character emerges they are likely to get smacked down somehow. I loved Ned's character and I like Sean Bean playing him but it was bound to happen, sometimes evil has to triumph for there to be a story and keep in mind this is one LONG story.

Book five in July and who knows when six or possibly seven will come out.

[hscmit]

and who knows IF six or possibly seven will come out.

ftfy

[jsnake]

So I am deep into book two and boy you cannot guess what will happen next. You think you have it figured out and bam he throws a complete curve ball in there. The thing I like is how the characters seem so real. As I read book two it is playing in my head with the characters (actors) from the HBO show.

I was really pissed when Ned was killed and not to spoil it but other events left me disappointed too but I am still gripped by the story and can't stop reading.

[hscmit]

same boat here

[LostAbbott]

I am a little disappointing that they did not show any of the battle. Seems like they might not have had the $$ to properly put on a battle scene.

As for a book six or seven, I sure as hell hope he can wrap it up with six. R.R. Martin is a pretty old fat dude, and I doubt he could last long enough for too many more books, it would really piss me off if he pulled a Robert Jordan. Tolken pulled it off in four books, what is wrong with these new guys? Don't get me wrong I love the story, but it should not take over 10k pages it tell it.

[massphatness]

Not happy about Ned!!

Loved Ned's character, but knowing ANYONE is fair game to die makes the story that much more intriguing. This is not Harry Potter, and I'm glad.

On a separate note, I now oddly find myself rooting for The Imp ...

[kickerb]

Loved Ned's character, but knowing ANYONE is fair game to die makes the story that much more intriguing. This is not Harry Potter, and I'm glad.

On a separate note, I now oddly find myself rooting for The Imp ...I hear that Tyrion is going to do something unexpected either in the next episode or the next season/book.

[Brutus2600]

I am a little disappointing that they did not show any of the battle. Seems like they might not have had the $$ to properly put on a battle scene.

As for a book six or seven, I sure as hell hope he can wrap it up with six. R.R. Martin is a pretty old fat dude, and I doubt he could last long enough for too many more books, it would really piss me off if he pulled a Robert Jordan. Tolken pulled it off in four books, what is wrong with these new guys? Don't get me wrong I love the story, but it should not take over 10k pages it tell it.

There are seven planned books right now, I doubt that he will take a book away, if anything he'll add more books, that's how these authors roll! He is old though, and I agree, he better not dilly dally and die before he finishes. I think now with the show he has a reason to htfu and finish it up.

Loved Ned's character, but knowing ANYONE is fair game to die makes the story that much more intriguing. This is not Harry Potter, and I'm glad.

On a separate note, I now oddly find myself rooting for The Imp ...

The Imp definitely becomes one of my favorite characters in all the books. The fact they cast his character so perfectly bodes well that he'll be a favorite in the tv series as well.

I hear that Tyrion is going to do something unexpected either in the next episode or the next season/book.

He does a lot of unexpected things, all of which are awesome :tu I can't remember specifically what he's got up his sleeve in the near future though...it's been a few months since I read the first book.

[Eleven]

Slightly off topic...

Sean Bean (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/06/14/game-thrones-actor-sean-bean-stabbed-following-spat-over-playboy-model-report/?test=faces) is a badass in real life too. Dude gets stabbed, refuses treatment and goes back into the bar and orders another drink!

[kickerb]

haha, that is great. i hope he put a hurtin' on the other guy!

[Wanger]

Sean Bean is a badass! :p

On a series related note, I hope Joffery dies a horrible and slow, painful death. I definitely don't like that character, and he just looks pretty damn creepy, IMO.

Daenerys Targaryen...yes please. :D

[Humpdebump]

Just watched the latest episode and WOW. I'm like the rest of you not liking Ned getting killed. It seems like all the good guys die and the bad guys get out of everything. What a great series though. I have a question without any spoilers if you can. I k ow that this Sunday is the series finale, I was wondering if it's also the end of the book 1 as well or will season 2 also be part of book 1, or will it be book 2.

[jsnake]

Just watched the latest episode and WOW. I'm like the rest of you not liking Ned getting killed. It seems like all the good guys die and the bad guys get out of everything. What a great series though. I have a question without any spoilers if you can. I k ow that this Sunday is the series finale, I was wondering if it's also the end of the book 1 as well or will season 2 also be part of book 1, or will it be book 2.From the preview it looks as if the series will end as book 1 did and it leaves everything wide open and a big to be continued for sure. The ending is going to be cool but leaves no doubt the story continues.

[Bill86]

Peter Dinklage and Sean Bean are the only reasons I watched this show. Their characters are/were great.....

I despise, almost violently...that stupid little bastard boy king. He has a face you could just punch endlessly. Also the queen "lena Headey" has the worst acting on the show and is very annoying as well. "King Joffery?" Sounds like a prime and proper king *wheres the sissy smiley*

Seems also kinda stupid that it looks like Drogo is dead for sure. See they went on saying how bad@$$ he is and before we could see him kill more than like 2 people he goes out like b!tch to a paper cut. :td

I think I'll finish up this season and call it quits. It looks like what could have been a great show is already over IMO.

I don't care what the reason is you don't kill off the main character and best actor on the show. That makes ZERO sense. Who are they going to market for the 2nd season? They have no one.

This one will only go 2-3 seasons. Mark my words.

/end rant (sorry, I'm so annoyed by TV these days)

[blugill]

There really aren't a lot of main characters in the books, all go to very unexpected places in the story, well the ones that survive anyway. The story changes, turns, and twists and I'm only in the last part of the second novel.

[jsnake]

Peter Dinklage and Sean Bean are the only reasons I watched this show. Their characters are/were great.....

I despise, almost violently...that stupid little bastard boy king. He has a face you could just punch endlessly. Also the queen "lena Headey" has the worst acting on the show and is very annoying as well. "King Joffery?" Sounds like a prime and proper king *wheres the sissy smiley*

Seems also kinda stupid that it looks like Drogo is dead for sure. See they went on saying how bad@$$ he is and before we could see him kill more than like 2 people he goes out like b!tch to a paper cut. :td

I think I'll finish up this season and call it quits. It looks like what could have been a great show is already over IMO.

I don't care what the reason is you don't kill off the main character and best actor on the show. That makes ZERO sense. Who are they going to market for the 2nd season? They have no one.

This one will only go 2-3 seasons. Mark my words.

/end rant (sorry, I'm so annoyed by TV these days)

It is all just following the book. Makes you want to go up to George R.R. Martin and give him :sl

[Bill86]

It is all just following the book. Makes you want to go up to George R.R. Martin and give him :sl

A vicious beating? Yes :tu

I'm not sure they know how TV works......you cannot off the guy on the front of the cover/advertisement in the 9th episode of the first season.

Would you watch Sopranos if Tony died in the first season? I doubt it.

Would The Wire be the best show ever if they killed McNulty off in the 9th episode? Nope, the 10th episode would be the end of the show.

Books or no books IMHO they just f*cked themselves. We'll see if I'm right, only time will tell.

What they did here was use Sean Bean, they used his name, his fame, to sell their show and now they are hoping people watch it without him. They will lose viewers for this.

They really have to realize half the people watching the show never read the books. So they don't care if it follows the books or not. Hell I didn't even know there was books for this show. That's how little it matters if you follow them.

[RGD.]

. . . Hell I didn't even know there was books for this show. . . .

There are books? :sh

Just caught this thread and have been enjoying the series so far - but I do hope the little bastard ends up with pole run through him from the rear up.


Ron

[Humpdebump]

I agree that killing off what seems to be the main characters is bad tv. I haven't read the books but I will continue to watch to see if some of the other characters get theirs. But it will be hard if there are no main characters to follow except for the ones you despise.

[Wolfgang]

Bring in the necromancers!

[Brutus2600]

A vicious beating? Yes :tu

I'm not sure they know how TV works......you cannot off the guy on the front of the cover/advertisement in the 9th episode of the first season.

Would you watch Sopranos if Tony died in the first season? I doubt it.

Would The Wire be the best show ever if they killed McNulty off in the 9th episode? Nope, the 10th episode would be the end of the show.

Books or no books IMHO they just f*cked themselves. We'll see if I'm right, only time will tell.

What they did here was use Sean Bean, they used his name, his fame, to sell their show and now they are hoping people watch it without him. They will lose viewers for this.

They really have to realize half the people watching the show never read the books. So they don't care if it follows the books or not. Hell I didn't even know there was books for this show. That's how little it matters if you follow them.

I agree that killing off what seems to be the main characters is bad tv. I haven't read the books but I will continue to watch to see if some of the other characters get theirs. But it will be hard if there are no main characters to follow except for the ones you despise.

Obviously if you haven't read the books you might think that killing off the main character is bad for the show, but you have to understand that killing Ned was an integral part of the series. The rest of the story can't happen with him alive. As much as it sucks, because Sean Bean is awesome, you've got to understand that he isn't the "main character" as there are 20 "main characters". The 20 characters are the only ones that have the story told from their perspective.

On the other side, if the TV series decided to deviate from the storyline and not kill Ned, the entire series would've been decried as "crap" by all the fans who read the books, and would've changed the rest of the series direction. They would've lost their core fanbase and that would've been far worse than losing a couple people who were upset that they killed off Ned.

Anyway, yeah, Joffery is a little douchebag, and some of the characters that are hated now (Jamie, also to a certain extent Tyrion just because he's a Lannister) become characters you actually care about and are sympathetic towards. It might seem like all the douchebags in this series are winning, but everybody gets theirs in one way or another.

So, long story short, it would be a shame if you quit watching the series at the end of this season...some of the best parts of the story are yet to come.

[Humpdebump]

I'm definetly not quiting the series, I think the show is awesome, just sucks that characters you like die. Just watched season finale and won't spoil, but I thought it was great. The only thing that sucks is at the end when it said that season 2 is in spring of 2012, WTF.......

[yachties23]

With all HBO shows, there isn't a set schedule, where shows come on in the fall and end in the late spring.

As a fan of the books, the show continues to be done very well. Very much looking forward to Storm of Swords.

[Brutus2600]

Yeah, I cannot imagine waiting to find out what happens between books for anybody who's just watching the show or was reading the books as they came out (they were VERY far spaced apart). It was bad enough for me waiting between chapters much less a year between seasons :( That's how television rolls though! Oh well

[massphatness]

I want a funking DRAGON!

[JDTexan]

I want a funking DRAGON!

Me too! Great Finale.

[Bill86]

If it weren't for the dragons I would have chalked up the finale as a piece of crap. However the dragons have me intrigued......but I dunno if that will be enough to ever get me to watch another episode.

If they kill that fruity king joffery please PM me so I can watch his head get chopped off in 1080p slow motion instant replay.

Same goes for the Queen.

[ahc4353]

I want a funking DRAGON!

You just wanna climb up her leg like the one dragon did.

[Humpdebump]

You just wanna climb up her leg like the one dragon did.

YES PLEASE :dr

[Eleven]

I'm so depressed it's over.

[blugill]

It won't be over for long, spring of 2012 is a much shorter lead time than Sopranos when it was off the air for 13 months or so.

[kickerb]

Would The Wire be the best show ever if they killed McNulty off in the 9th episode?:r:r:r:r:r `The Wire` sucked hard. McNutty was the worst actor EVER!

[rebelknight]

Watching through all the episodes a second time with my brother who is just starting the show. After only 2 episodes I've picked up on so much that I missed or forgot about. On another note I wasn't crazy about the season finale but I guess that's just because I'm too impatient to wait until spring 2012. Maybe it's time to start reading so I can find out sooner.

[kickerb]

Yea, I wasn't overly impressed with the Season Finale either. I understand we have a lot of things to look forward too next season and that this episode was filled with cliff-hangers.

After most episodes I was left really excited and overwhelmed by what was going on. The season ender just didn't do it for me. I actually got a little bored.

[kickerb]

I really really wanted more with the white walkers. I realize that the show reflects the book, so I guess these creatures will develop more next season/book.

[Ratters]

I loved the finale. I hated that they killed of Ned, but as said it's part of the story. I actually love King Joffrey and think he's perfectly cast. So great how they can have someone that elicits so much hatred. :tu Really gonna suck waiting for the rest of the series.

[hscmit]

just watched the last episode and thought they did a good job getting most of the main plot devices into the tv version

overall I thought they did a great job adapting to the screen and enjoyed watching

[Wanger]

You just wanna climb up her leg like the one dragon did.

You say that like there's something wrong with that, Al. :p

[Sawyer]

I just finally watched the 10 episodes of the first season. I just must not get it. Am I supposed to care about any of the families? I was really kind of hoping the horse people would come across the sea and wipe them all out.

[kickerb]

I just finally watched the 10 episodes of the first season. I just must not get it. Am I supposed to care about any of the families? I was really kind of hoping the horse people would come across the sea and wipe them all out.

If that were to happen, there would be no point in even having a book or show. The books are about the struggle for power, without the families/houses/kingdoms there would be no story-line.

Are you looking for a show that is solely about the Dothraki?

[Sawyer]

If that were to happen, there would be no point in even having a book or show. The books are about the struggle for power, without the families/houses/kingdoms there would be no story-line.

Are you looking for a show that is solely about the Dothraki?

No. I am just saying in a struggle for power situation, shouldn't there be a house that you want to win? If there isn't, what is the point?

[Brutus2600]

Maybe I'm tainted because I read the books, but it seemed overly apparent to me that the protagonist house of the series that you're supposed to cheer for is the Starks. They're the good guys in the book, and I felt they were portrayed well in the series, with the Lannisters (minus Tyrion) being the "Evil" house. Having talked to my friends (who haven't read the books) about this series, they were rooting for the Starks and were very surprised and pissed at Ned's storyline, so I'm not sure why you didn't feel like there was a house you should cheer for :(

[agctribefan]

Having just started reading the books and watching the whole season, I definitely found myself rooting for the Starks. I was definitely pissed about Ned. I couldn't believe that happened.

[Sawyer]

I understand that they want you "cheer" for the Starks. It is hard though when they are naive and gullible. They also are not fit to lead, get pushed around and make foolish decisions. Granted I haven't read the books and I am only going off the show. But I would think they would have tried to make them more likeable if they wanted you to get emotionally attached to them.

[yachties23]

I think as a reader of the series, Martin doesn't really pick a family for you to side with. Sure the Starks seem like the good guys, but this whole series isn't about good guys or bad guys. Its about a kingdom in peril and the chaos that a vacuum of power creates.

[Brutus2600]

The thing that Martin did well with the books (in my opinion), was made you care about whatever main character you were reading about.

The Starks, while not cunning and loyal/honorable to a fault, have many main characters that you begin to care about and root for.

The Lannisters are cunning, manipulative individuals, but I found myself rooting for Tyrion, even when he was pitted against Catelyn. Believe it or not, as much of a ***** Jamie is (pompous, a real dick for pushing Bran out the window, and a creep for sleeping with his sister), in the later books you really start to care about him and root for him as well.

Daenerys wants to bring war to the Kingdom. I'm still rooting for her, even though she's out looking for revenge for the Targaryens even though the Targaryen that was overthrown was a terrible and insane king.

So yes, while many characters can't be labeled "good" or "evil" the fact remains that I hate Cersei, hated her from book 1 to book 4, loathe Joffery, and dislike Tywin...all being Lannisters just kind of puts me at odds with the Lannisters as a whole and I find myself rooting for anybody BUT them.

[blugill]

I don't really care for the Frey's either Brutus, they are kind of a backwater storyline that just really didn't pique my interest at all.

I agree that there are many characters in the different families that you want to root for and others you don't. Cersei, like you I hate. Same as Joffery and Catelyn's insane sister and her equally insane boy from House Tully. And yes I find a soft spot in my reading heart for Daenerys as she was essentially sold into the position she was in by her conniving brother. It was a war that had nothing to do to her just her insane king relative.

This isn't really a story about X House, it's the story about his country in this period of time and what happened to each house.

[Brutus2600]

Oh yeah...f*ck the Frey's and the crazy Tully kid. Both of those houses are nut cases :p

Anybody else getting the 5th book Tuesday and starting it immediately? I can't wait, I've got it coming in from Amazon :tu

[yachties23]

Oh yeah...f*ck the Frey's and the crazy Tully kid. Both of those houses are nut cases :p

Anybody else getting the 5th book Tuesday and starting it immediately? I can't wait, I've got it coming in from Amazon :tu

I'm going to pick it up for my Nook, but saving it for 2 weeks when I'm on vacation. Very much excited to be reading it.

[hscmit]

still finishing storm of swords

but will be onto the others soon enough

[blugill]

I'm about to start A Storm of Swords, perhaps this coming weekend after payday. I've got a couple of zombie fiction novels to get through first though, easy enough reading.

I'm really kind of glad that hopefully by the time I get to finishing Dance with Dragons the next novel will be on it's way out!

[Ratters]

Ha, that's funny, I got the four book set, but too have a couple zombie novels I gotta get through first. :D Just started Among the Living today.

[blugill]

I love the amount of zombie fiction available to the Kindle. Bargain priced as well!

J.L. Bourne is my favorite!

[Ratters]

Yeah, I read his first book when it was all posted online. Looking forward to the third book coming out. I just finished Patient Zero last week and enjoyed it. Just gotta finish Among the Living and this book One so I can get them back to the people who lent them to me then I can start Game of Thrones.

I was a bit pissed as I was planning on buying the Kindle of GoT but it was ten bucks cheaper to buy the four book set. Plus sposedly the Kindle version was missing some pages for some of the people who downloaded it. Does the Kindle version show the maps and stuff?

[Sawyer]

I am going to start reading the books to see if I can get any more out of them. I am a huge fan of this genre, or at least I used to be. So I hope it was just something about the production of the TV series that was throwing me off.

[Beagleone]

I saw the series when it was on earlier this year and was really impressed. Once the season was done, I went and downloaded the eBooks to my iPad. Two months later and I am completely finished with all five books. I am really excited to see how they are going to pull this off. This is fast becoming one of my favorite books and TV series.

[Lonely Raven]

I just finished book Four, and I'm looking for an audiobook of 5 since I refuse to pay hardcover prices.

Damn these books are long winded. Great story, great depth, but he goes into a bit much description of what people are wearing (often in long lists), and the marching order, and who begot who. I think he's trying to much to be JRR Tolkien.

I'm really, really impressed with how well they pulled off the first season of the TV show. If this is another show that doesn't finish all seasons before being cancled, I'm going to be PISSED! Looking froward to Season 2!

[Brutus2600]

I dunno...I didn't get bogged down too much in his description of things. If that bothers you though, never ever read the Wheel of Time, half the book is descriptions ;)

[yachties23]

I dunno...I didn't get bogged down too much in his description of things. If that bothers you though, never ever read the Wheel of Time, half the book is descriptions ;)

There are tons of descriptions in these books. Every meal, every feast, every course. I can't tell you how many times I've read "Ceseri broke her fast on...."

But those descriptions carry over wonderfully to help paint the picture that is Westeros. You can picture the utter cold at the wall by the descriptions of the haunted forest, The utter brutality of size of Gregor Clegane by the way men describe him, and the hideousness of Brienne of Tarth just cause well men are just really messed up to her lol.

[Brutus2600]

I guess I didn't phrase that well. What I meant was although there are descriptions of quite literally everything, they weren't that noticeable or bothersome to me and like you said, painted great visuals of what was happening in the scene :)

[Lonely Raven]

I can't tell you how many times I've read "Ceseri broke her fast on...."

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That's a great example of how I feel reading these books. I enjoy a great description, but he tends to do LISTS. IMHO, lists are just to fill word count, not for great writing.

[kiwi michelle]

Love love love the series!! Am so going to go out and buy the books. Bring on season 2 (which will air months later in NZ...bugger).

[Wanger]

I got the set of 4 books at Costco last month. Haven't had a lot of reading time lately, but it's slowing down at work, so I might bring one with me soon. :)

And for the record, the wife and I dressed as Khal Drogo and Daenerys Targaryen for Halloween. :p Unfortunately, there was only a handful of people who knew who we were. :(

[OLS]

Ah, ever the last one in, I just watched Episode one and two and I am absolutely gripped.
What nards, to pull out a Olde Werlde drama like this, and my goodness, they are hitting it out of
the park. Does it stay good to the end, or does it get crappy like some Elizabethan "Lost" ?

[LostAbbott]

Nope the while first season is fantastic. While not a direct copy of the book it does acgreat job ofckeeping the feel and creatingvthe world.
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[MikeyC]

I watched the first season on HBOGo.com and got totally hooked. Next season starts in a few weeks I believe.

[OLS]

Jeezus, just finished all ten episodes and apart from what seemed like the falling apart of the barbarian storyline near
the end it was all pretty great. And even then there was this icon of things to come with the dragons that says
this is gonna get freaky deeky in 2012. To bad Sean Bean had to die, he's always good. But how else to spur
on the full measure of revenge that was coming even before they chopped his head off, haha, well, look out.

[OLS]

Such a harumph on page 8 or so about S. Bean getting offed, and I could see that, and I was pi55ed, too.
But of course, like I said above, this is what will drive the hate and revenge that will run the second season.
But it got me thinking, who do I like? Of course, the 'little lanister' is great, and I think it would make sense
if he ends up being a good guy who helps bring down his family. He DID not like it when they put him out front
in the supposed big battle. I thought it was hilarious when he got hammered by that big mallet during the charge.

And Man do I love Aya Stark, (sp). Her dad kept trying to shove that mommy role down her throat and she was not
having it. Now she is gonna slice comeone's co(& off to be sure. It also looks like she is going to become a woman
right onscreen, kind of like Hermione. Whoopsie. But someone's a55 is grass.

I also think the redhead Ros, the whore's a55 needs to be elected president of the riverlands or something, too.
My God what glutes. That white skin and perfect body just knocked me out. Put the dragon lady's face on her
body and you have something even better than the original, which was already spectacular.

Don't worry Bill, there will be plenty to dig when the show comes back. Of course, they will likely drag the revenge
out for 14 episodes. I hate that.

[OLS]

http://theweek.com/article/index/223865/game-of-thrones-intense-season-two-trailer-4-talking-points

I am sure most have seen this trailer, but it seems we have been mis-informed as to the launch date for the
new season. And you thought waiting to February was going to be hard, hahah..suckers.

[OLS]

Oops...I confused this with Walking Dead Season 2 for February.

[Brutus2600]

I couldn't get the video on your link to work (might just be my computer) but here is the trailer on HBO's site:

http://www.hbo.com/video/video.html/?autoplay=true&vid=1234943&filter=game-of-thrones&view=null

I'm VERY excited :noon

[Malazan]

I read the books, I really got to get HBO so I can watch this

[OLS]

Might as well top this so no one accidentally misses the show TONIGHT while watching something stupid.

[Eleven]

This show does not disappoint.

I want to see more Dragons, more Dire Wolves, and more Tyrion Lannister!

[jsnake]

Was disappointed tonight's episode went by so fast. I have read all the books and I will tell you all like I told my wife. Keep watching and you are all going to be pissed off. George R.R. Martin is an excellent writer but at the same time is a complete ****tard at writing. You will all see what I mean. It only gets worse.

[OLS]

Come on Jake, it's no different than a car accident. We are gonna watch no matter how frustrating it gets.
For me I will watch until SOPA takes it away from me.

[Wanger]

Watched it last night, and it was a bit slow, IMO. But SO GLAD it's back on!!!

[kickerb]

Watched it last night, and it was a bit slow, IMO. But SO GLAD it's back on!!!I agree, it was slow. But, i think it was necessary. They have to catch the audience up so that the season can really start to progress. Set up episodes to me, are important.

How about that last scene with the guy taking the bastard baby by the leg before it's certain execution! Was crazy! :O

[Islayphile]

http://www.tor.com/images/stories/House%20Stark.jpg

[OLS]

Fixed that for you.....

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/JAMpromotionsMKTG/HouseStark-fixed-.jpg

[OLS]

fixed my fix

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/JAMpromotionsMKTG/HouseStark-fixed-2.jpg

[irratebass]

fixed my fix

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/JAMpromotionsMKTG/HouseStark-fixed-2.jpg

:lr :lr :lr :tu

[Islayphile]

:r:r:r

[Wanger]

fixed my fix

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/JAMpromotionsMKTG/HouseStark-fixed-2.jpg

:r:r:r

[OLS]

Haha, I never heard of Rickon, I thought it was another joke, like iron man.
So I looked it up and sure enough, there WAS a little fu(ker younger than Bran.
In my haste to get it up, I wasted an attempt to make it look GOOD. Glad someone
still got a kick out of it, haha.

[OLS]

Best part for me last night was watching Seirci and Littlefinger in their private conversation when
he thought he had her by the ladyballs, and she turned the table on his cliche' about power. Excellent scene.

[OLS]

I am actually watching this weekend's episode right now.

[Islayphile]

i am actually watching this weekend's episode right now.

no spoilers please

[OLS]

Arya is eaten by a dire wolf.

[jonumberone]

Arya is eaten by a dire wolf.

:r:r:r

[Islayphile]

arya is eaten by a dire wolf.

:r:r:r

nooooooooooooooo

[OLS]

Oh man was that episode something! As was expected, they fleshed out some of the places they were
going with that "the story so far" first episode. I will not spoil but I will say that Cierci does seem to get the
last word on everyone she deals with. She takes a punch really well, but man when she hits you back, look out.
She is the absolute definitive Ice Queen. And apparently its WIDELY rumored that she is a incestuous ho.

Other than that it is nice to see Tyrian be what he is apparently set to become in season 2. I guess its
being a little person that makes him see past all the politics and pettiness and lean so far towards what is
right and not right. Who knows what else he might do in the end that we won't like, but for now he is great
to watch work.

[Powers]

Grrreeeaattt show!

Altough the winter has got to be the most anticipated weather front in entertainment history.....

[Islayphile]

She is the absolute definitive Ice Queen. And apparently its WIDELY rumored that she is a incestuous ho.




That was confirmed in the very 1st epidode last year....now everyone else is starting to find out.

So far she's slept with her brother and fathered 3 children by him and she's rolled in the hay with her nephew too.

Incest, incest is the best put your sibling to the test!

[Islayphile]

Grrreeeaattt show!

Altough the winter has got to be the most anticipated weather front in entertainment history.....

So much for global warming

:D

[kickerb]

How about that poor kid getting stabbed in the neck!? Crazy sh|t right there.

[OLS]

This has been a long week with no one saying a word about last week. I have decided not to watch my recording until
next weekend is past and I have two on a DVD. It's been a long week with very little time for TV. I have a feeling its
going to be a badass Monday night.