Game of Thrones

[DBall]

Best part for me last night was watching Seirci and Littlefinger in their private conversation when
he thought he had her by the ladyballs, and she turned the table on his cliche' about power. Excellent scene.

Excellent scene that is nowhere to be found in the books... Littlefinger is far smarter, cunning and subtle in the books. The book version would never do something so blatant and stupid. I know it's not gonna follow the books like a screenplay, but I always get worried when drastic, character-changing liberties are taken.

That said, this show rocks... the books are incredible too. It seems to follow the saying about the 'best laid plans of mice and men' in that no matter who makes what prophecies or who has what aspirations, **** happens and you can't stand in the way of fate. Ned dying proved that no one was safe.

[OLS]

I was just watching South Park, Episode 7 of Season 16 and Mr. Garrison is teaching
history as if Game of Thrones was actual history....it's freaking hilarious.

And so what we start to see is a pattern emerging in world history, much like that of the
Greeks and the Romans...Remember that there were 7 families fighting for control of Westeros...
now the king of Westeros was WHO??

[massphatness]

I've been a little disappointed with this season, truth be told. Things seem a bit disjointed and hard to follow. If I hadn't read the books, I'd be lost, and I find myself giving running explanations of what's going on to Grace as we watch it.

[Powers]

I've been a little disappointed with this season, truth be told. Things seem a bit disjointed and hard to follow. If I hadn't read the books, I'd be lost, and I find myself giving running explanations of what's going on to Grace as we watch it.

I've enjoyed this season but it definitely is all over the place. My friends and I huddle around my one buddy's TV who has HBO and we're constantly pausing it to explain sh*t to the chicks

"Wait, who's he related to again?" etc etc

[OLS]

Chicks do need dey explainin ferm time ta time.

[Powers]

Chicks do need dey explainin ferm time ta time.

:r -(P

[Bill86]

I got bored and caught up. What the f**k was the end of that last episode?

[irratebass]

Last episode was the best of the season so far. I agree man this show is hard to follow at times.

[OLS]

I am going to watch 3 & 4 tonight.....been surprisingly calm about them sitting there unwatched.

[OLS]

I got bored and caught up. What the f**k was the end of that last episode?

DAMN SON, you ain't kiddin' !!

[Wanger]

Caught up last night seeing Last week's episode and this week's.

The Red Woman: WTF!?!? Hot yet creepy.:sh

When the hell is Joffrey going to get what he has coming to him? Beheading? Fried by a dragon? Tortured and removed from the throne for being the result of incest?:confused:

As for Daenerys, I hope we see more of her (and more of her, LOL). She's been a somewhat lost storyline this season, so far. That city was pretty cool to see after the gate opened. But that one Warlock was pretty damn creepy, if you ask me.

Looking forwarward to what goes on with the Knight's Watch.

[OLS]

I get the same vibe off that red witch....she is like one of those women you know you should NOT be messing with,
but it's late, you're drunk, and she is licking your earlobe. But you know you are going to get murdered.

As for Daenerys, the actress played her part SO WELL, when she was trying to get into the 'greatest city that ever
was or ever will be'. Her unease with being a royal-type in the presence of a person that says more than "Ugh" was
clear, and a HOOT to watch....she got the name of the city wrong, she looked several times like she had NO IDEA
what to say next, and until she got pi55ed off, she really was never able to be confident. It was a BLAST to watch,
so well acted. It's got to be hard to play that scene.

Geoffrey, when he picked up that mace with the stag's head on it, DAMN, I thought, you have GOT to be kidding me.
Oh yeah, he's going to go down. Maybe it will be sooner rather than a cliff-hanger "later" or last bash before season 3,
although I am sure they are going to play it like Walking Dead and screw it all up.

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Oh, and is it just me, or does that theme song just give you a massive "I'm gonna watch me some TV" boner?
I hear it and I start to get pumped up for me some Throne on throne action. Must be that cello...or just the
excellent period feel of the music piece.

[Brutus2600]

Agreed on the opening music - fantastically done.

I just started this season, I like to wait a few episodes in so I can watch them in chunks. I've read the series so I know what's going to happen, but it's awesome to see play out on the screen anyway :)

[OLS]

That's definitely what I prefer now...it gives me the time to make a DVD worth writing, 2 episodes....
Once I get two down, I burn em and watch em. Normally I would say it helps to stay away from this thread,
but lately the whole board is snooze-city, so no risk of spoilage. This season is not near as fun to watch as
the first season, but you can tell they are setting up a huge glut of awesome stuff. As long as they don't HOLD
it for Season 3 I will be OK with it. I swear, Tyrion Lannister is written to be such a huge brain on that lil guy.
He cracks on people all day long, always has the last laugh on people, and even with these intensely manipulative
people all around him, he is still the strongest one of them all. JUST GREAT writing, not such good accent delivery,
though, lol. Actual British Islanders must be squirming around in their chairs to hear it. Of course, it's a make-believe
land, so maybe his accent is perfect, I don't know.

On the music side, I watched (and continue to re-watch) Band of Brothers, and from day 1, I could never make it through
the entire open to get to the show, I am fast forwarding as soon as the HBO logo is over.

THAT SONG??? I could watch it AND rewind it and watch it again I like it so much.

[jonumberone]

This season is not near as fun to watch as
the first season

I recently re-watched season one.
Before I did, I remembered season one as being jam packed with awesomeness.
Now that I've seen it again, it actually starts out slow and steady for the first 4-6 episodes then explodes.
I'm hoping they have the same plan this year.

[OLS]

I would say you are right Dom, but I remember having my feet on the ground the whole time, feeling comfortable
with who was who and what was what. I like that safe feeling somewhat, especially in a show that I thought
strictly from the title, I would not care for. Once I saw a promo still and saw that Sean Bean was in it, I changed
my tune completely. FOR ONCE he got to play the good guy, and not a good guy who turned out to be the mole,
bad guy, villain, etc. I kept waiting for him to reveal he was actually a Lannister or something. ;)

[yachties23]

Did anybody who read the books expect something different from The Half-hand?

I have noticed the differences from the books and the show, but I was expecting something different with Qhorin.

[OLS]

I am sorry.....did the RAPTURE HAPPEN?? I accidentally read a MTV blog for GOT and I was SHOCKED at all that has
happened in the last 8-9 days AND NOT A PEEP outa this thread.

I need to quickly burn 5-6 tonight and watch em. I KNEW that dumb bi+ch shoulda left them dragons behind a rock
past the city limit sign!!

[MikeyC]

This week's episode was pretty gory. I saw some guy get sliced open and his insides fell out. Not really into gore. However, things are definitely starting to pick up. I wonder if Little Finger recognized the Stark girl?

[Bill86]

yeah Kalisi or whatever her name is....she's getting kind of mouthy and entitled. I was happy to see her lose the Dragons, if only for a bit. We'll see.

One would think she wouldn't leave the Dragons alone though until they were capable of mass slaughter. They really are the only reason anyone speaks to her with any decency.

[OLS]

They really are the only reason anyone speaks to her with any decency.
Nah, there are two other reasons...................;):D:dr

[VTDragon]

Did anybody who read the books expect something different from The Half-hand?

I have noticed the differences from the books and the show, but I was expecting something different with Qhorin.
He is a lot slicker than I perceived him in the books, but I am warming to how he is being portrayed. No spoilers for those who haven't read the books, but the way he is portrayed on TV will fit better with his future activities.

[yachties23]

He is a lot slicker than I perceived him in the books, but I am warming to how he is being portrayed. No spoilers for those who haven't read the books, but the way he is portrayed on TV will fit better with his future activities.

That was what I was getting into.

He is the one character that seemed out of place for me. Well he and Loras Tyrel.

For those who have read the books, whom are you most looking forward to seeing? Of course without posting any spoilers.

[Powers]

I recently re-watched season one.
Before I did, I remembered season one as being jam packed with awesomeness.
Now that I've seen it again, it actually starts out slow and steady for the first 4-6 episodes then explodes.
I'm hoping they have the same plan this year.

I know that they spent a lot of their budget and shooting time recording the big, climatic battle at the end of this season. So it's guaranteed that we'll have a large, movie-like, battle scene for the 1st time :tu

[kugie]

I just started watching this last week, and I am in to S2 E4 already.

I love this show I can't wait to be caught up.

[MikeyC]

Did you guys see the Game of Thrones parody they did on SNL the other week? It's pretty funny. Check it out:

http://screencrush.com/snl-game-of-thrones/

[OLS]

They did a similar one a few months back about Downton Abbey that made a matched set, pretty good.

[Wanger]

Watched the last 2 episodes last night. DAMN, its getting good! How about the events in Qhorin...that was a bit of a surprise, to me. Mind you, I haven't read any moer into the books for several months. :(

And the wildling...nice to see what she was hiding under there. :tu

I so want to give a few opinions, but don't want to give anything anything away for those who didn't see last night.

[mosesbotbol]

Never read any of the books, but loving this series. My girlfriend is totally into it.

[Powers]

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/thegeneral320/tumblr_m3crbnehAY1r5fyi4o1_1280.jpg

[OLS]

I so want to give a few opinions, but don't want to give anything anything away for those who didn't see last night.

Change the text color to a light tan, so people have to select it it read it....I would love to hear your thoughts.

[Wanger]

Change the text color to a light tan, so people have to select it it read it....I would love to hear your thoughts.
OK...my thoughts...

As for the bodies that were shown at the end of the episode in Winterfell by Theon, I think they were the bodies of the two orphans that Bran and Rickon had mentioned were at the farm. I think that if it was Bran and Rickon, the bodies of Osha and Hodor would be seen, too. Speaking of Osha...damn nice to see what she's been hiding under those dirty clothes..she's got a rockin' bod.

As for the wildling that Jon Snow had captured, you had to know she was leading him back to the rest of her clan. It'll be interesting to see what happens to him with the wildling clan.

I was surprised as hell at the happenings in Qarth. Didn't see that slaughter coming. Wow! honestly, I'd like to see her get the dragons back. I have a feeling that if/when she does, there will be hell to pay. :fl

I'm not sure what he's got up his sleeve, but I like what the half-hand has been doing. I like him standing up for Sansa and wanting someone to go get her. I don't quite get what's up with Sandor. Does he have a conscience or not? His comment that he's the only thing between Joffrey and her to Sansa made me rethink his character. It was interesting to see Cersei's take on Joffrey. She's obviously overly power hungry, with he saying she's never been able to control Joffrey, yet ensuring he ascends to the throne.

And Arya being in service to Tywin could prove an advantage to Robb. I wonder what will happen if Tywin asks any more questions about her background. I wonder how much she'll be able to come up with to placate him. I wonder who she has killed for her 3rd choice.

[Powers]

^^ All good points :tu

[massphatness]

I thought Season 1 followed the book pretty well -- Season 2? Not so much. I understand why, but I can't say I love some of the directions they're going with a few of the story lines.

[Bill86]

No spoilers but....after tonights episode, is it me or does anyone have a bit of a time following the characters and remembering their names? I really don't know the names of half of the usually mentioned characters.

Clearly they are compacting A LOT of characters into a short 10 episode season, which I don't understand. This is a BIG show and for it to only have 10 episodes in a season really makes it hard to follow. There are many key characters getting less than 2 minutes per show or sometimes completely missing from episodes. (Tonights example Sansa Stark). One could also argue over Daenerys Targaryen's mere 90 seconds of screen time if that.

Tonight's episode seemed like filler, we all know what we wanted to see happen and it just didn't. They messed around too much and B.S'd their way through spending time pointing out the obvious.

This show needs like 15-18 episodes per season.

[OLS]

I liken this show to LOST in a lot of ways. You CAN'T take away the sheer majesty and scope of the show, and it
is nicely done, but it's almost like they are suckering you in for a payoff that never comes. Its really not as bad as
Lost was for that, but it's at least as bad as 5-6 episodes of Greene Family Farm-Walking Dead.

That said, I am two episodes behind, so I take care of that tonight.

[OLS]

I'll tell you what, Wanger, the 2nd person Arya had killed MIGHT be the coolest thing I have seen on that show to date!

[OLS]

No spoilers but....after tonights episode, is it me or does anyone have a bit of a time following the characters and remembering their names? I really don't know the names of half of the usually mentioned characters. .

Try this out, Bill, it's helpful

http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/season1/

http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/season2/

http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/season2/#!/guide/houses/

[Sawyer]

I liken this show to LOST in a lot of ways. You CAN'T take away the sheer majesty and scope of the show, and it
is nicely done, but it's almost like they are suckering you in for a payoff that never comes. Its really not as bad as
Lost was for that, but it's at least as bad as 5-6 episodes of Greene Family Farm-Walking Dead.

That said, I am two episodes behind, so I take care of that tonight.

They are doing a good job of mimicking the books then because that is exactly how the books come off to me. Cliffhanger after cliffhanger with very little ever really happening. I am on the last fourth of book five and while there are some exciting things that happen, most of the books seem like filler with these epic cliffhangers that hardly ever turn out to be anything special.

[DBall]

No spoilers but....after tonights episode, is it me or does anyone have a bit of a time following the characters and remembering their names? I really don't know the names of half of the usually mentioned characters.

Clearly they are compacting A LOT of characters into a short 10 episode season, which I don't understand. This is a BIG show and for it to only have 10 episodes in a season really makes it hard to follow. There are many key characters getting less than 2 minutes per show or sometimes completely missing from episodes. (Tonights example Sansa Stark). One could also argue over Daenerys Targaryen's mere 90 seconds of screen time if that.

Tonight's episode seemed like filler, we all know what we wanted to see happen and it just didn't. They messed around too much and B.S'd their way through spending time pointing out the obvious.

This show needs like 15-18 episodes per season.

You should read the books... the show is like a vacation in that regard... they left out at least 50% of characters that have an impact in the book. Seriously, while the show has a lot, the book is crazy with it.

They are doing a good job of mimicking the books then because that is exactly how the books come off to me. Cliffhanger after cliffhanger with very little ever really happening. I am on the last fourth of book five and while there are some exciting things that happen, most of the books seem like filler with these epic cliffhangers that hardly ever turn out to be anything special.

2 more books in production... though I'm not sure when they are slated to drop. Hopefully the gap isn't as long as between 4 and 5 (5 years, I believe?). My other hope is that some of these questions will be answered... I wonder what is significant and what just simply is what it is because that's how it is.

I'm about a third of the way through book 5 myself.

[Bill86]

I liken this show to LOST in a lot of ways. You CAN'T take away the sheer majesty and scope of the show, and it
is nicely done, but it's almost like they are suckering you in for a payoff that never comes. Its really not as bad as
Lost was for that, but it's at least as bad as 5-6 episodes of Greene Family Farm-Walking Dead.

That said, I am two episodes behind, so I take care of that tonight.

Yeah I agree, it's a huge show of epic proportions. Which is why I don't understand the 10 episodes per season and wasting precious time with filler. They really have so little time to deal with and evolve the characters. They really need 14-18 shows per season IMHO. It just doesn't feel right sometimes, like right when it gets interesting it's over. Which is pretty much exactly what you were saying.

You should read the books... the show is like a vacation in that regard... they left out at least 50% of characters that have an impact in the book. Seriously, while the show has a lot, the book is crazy with it.

Yeah that's what I have been told. I might look into it. Not really a big reader though.

[DBall]

Yeah that's what I have been told. I might look into it. Not really a big reader though.

Audiobooks FTW! Ray Dotrice does a great job reading them... he's very engaging.

[OLS]

Well I caught up last night and watched S-02 E-7&8 all in one shot and I was more concious than ever before of
this hopping around. Far be it for me to tell them how to tell their story, and I am still enjoying it, but AGAIN,
I long for the simplicity of the first season and how I never felt antsy about moving forward. I will watch with
little complaint, though, it's good stuff. And there ARE a lot of kings vying for the throne, so I guess you need
to deal with it all. This Danaerys thing is looking like a no-win situation, but on the upside, I think John Snow is
going to dip into the red menace. Me likee.

[OLS]

AHHHHHHH-HA!

Now I know why the red-headed wildling gives me a such a shiver up me bone.

First, I like a pretty redhead to begin with, second the accent KILLS ME, and
third, DUH, she is from Downton Abbey!!! I can spot a familiar face SO FAST,
but I can never place it. Thank goodness for IMDB.

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/JAMpromotionsMKTG/roseleslie.jpg

[Powers]

Very much a filler episode. Although I agree w/Brad, we need some more redhead action :tu

[OLS]

That reminds me of another thing this show is doing for me....

Granted, they are dirty, a lot of em, but they have offbeat lookers in every class.
You have the wildling that just took it all off last month,
You have the hot wildling redhead,
You have the hot iron-born princess, who while not strictly hot, is certainly worth
looking at in a medieval sort of way.

All of em are erotically charged in their own, dirty, "I wonder what's going on under that goatskin" kind of way..

And of course, there is lady Stark's new bodyguard, for a 7 footer, man is she hot, lol.

[DBall]

And of course, there is lady Stark's new bodyguard, for a 7 footer, man is she hot, lol.

http://img.poptower.com/pic-85036/gwendoline-christie.jpg?d=600

Gwendoline Christie when she's not all Brienne'd out... not a 10 or anything, but much better.

[OLS]

And again, the offbeat woman is the best kind to me.

[kickerb]

A lot of people keep telling me that the show will have its first real battle scene. They won't be skipping them like all the others.

What are people's expectations for the battle at Blackwater?

[Islayphile]

A lot of people keep telling me that the show will have its first real battle scene. They won't be skipping them like all the others.

What are people's expectations for the battle at Blackwater?

Allegedly, they spent 15% of their entire season budget on the last episode for Blackwater.

So I'm expecting some epic ass kicking battle scenes.

[DBall]

Allegedly, they spent 15% of their entire season budget on the last episode for Blackwater.

So I'm expecting some epic ass kicking battle scenes.

It's an epic battle in the book... they could make this crazy...

[kickerb]

Great! I hope they don't let their audience down, like they have done in the past.

[Islayphile]

Great! I hope they don't let their audience down, like they have done in the past.

I suspect that far more people are watching the show than the amount of folks who have read the books.

If you don't know the books, you can't be too disappointed if the show isn't following them 100%.

:)

[Powers]

I haven't read the books but one of my friends has read all of them, another the first two and both say the idea/story of his books is great but don't think Martin can write well. They enjoy watching the show more & say the dialogue of the show is much better :2

[OLS]

I am personally glad I have not read the books. I understand them to be dry and overly-detailed. The show is not, haha.

[massphatness]

Game of Thrones-inspired Troop Auction lot: HERE (http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=55913)

[OLS]

Vin, you are one MESSED UP YANKEE! LOLOLOL

[Brutus2600]

Haha! That's awesome Vin :noon

[Bill86]

Not a bad episode but again it suffers from focusing on a few characters instead of the whole. Many were not in this episode.

No spoilers so I'll elaborate when everyone seems to have caught up.

[Powers]

Great episode! :tu

[kugie]

Great episode! :tu

:tu

[cigaman1979]

:tu

+1

great episode

[Bill86]

Strange I guess I am somewhat alone then or maybe just overly critical. I can't understand why Daenerys Targaryen had zero screen time again. The dragons and whatnot have interested me as to where they will go with it and IIRC with the last 2 episodes she has 1 minute of screen time. The dragons haven't had much screen time either and they were the BIG introduction at the season 1 ending...how deceiving.

Also Jon and the wildlings do not show up in this episode. No one in karth or whatever is in the episode. Also IIRC Rob Stark wasn't in the episode or Lady Stark. Arya Stark wasn't in the episode.....I could continue on but really the only key people in the episode were the Lannisters and Stannis's army. So I have to say....filler episode for the second week in a row.

This show REALLY needs more then 10 episodes per season, they are leaving out people all the time. I can't understand how with SO many key characters you have so few episodes. They are trying to tell an epic story with many people and trying do to it in 10 episodes with a few filler episodes here and there.

I also didn't find the battle to really be on an epic level. The ships getting taken out was really cool but after that it really felt small scale. Definitely not the massive army I was hoping for.

I had also assumed there would be more wellfire or whatnot. The ship was loaded but I figured they would be throwing it down on Stannis's army as well.

Seems like the Lannisters had half a plan and Tyrion had to improvise.

Not really a rant but I'm done.

[MikeyC]

Vin, you are one MESSED UP YANKEE! LOLOLOL

I wouldn't recommend calling anyone in the Boston area a Yankee. It won't go over well (think baseball).

Strange I guess I am somewhat alone then or maybe just overly critical. I can't understand why Daenerys Targaryen had zero screen time again. The dragons and whatnot have interested me as to where they will go with it and IIRC with the last 2 episodes she has 1 minute of screen time. The dragons haven't had much screen time either and they were the BIG introduction at the season 1 ending...how deceiving.

Also Jon and the wildlings do not show up in this episode. No one in karth or whatever is in the episode. Also IIRC Rob Stark wasn't in the episode or Lady Stark. Arya Stark wasn't in the episode.....I could continue on but really the only key people in the episode were the Lannisters and Stannis's army. So I have to say....filler episode for the second week in a row.

This show REALLY needs more then 10 episodes per season, they are leaving out people all the time. I can't understand how with SO many key characters you have so few episodes. They are trying to tell an epic story with many people and trying do to it in 10 episodes with a few filler episodes here and there.

I also didn't find the battle to really be on an epic level. The ships getting taken out was really cool but after that it really felt small scale. Definitely not the massive army I was hoping for.

I had also assumed there would be more wellfire or whatnot. The ship was loaded but I figured they would be throwing it down on Stannis's army as well.

Seems like the Lannisters had half a plan and Tyrion had to improvise.

Not really a rant but I'm done.

There are really just too many different story lines to do all of them justice.

[irratebass]

Epic!! :tu

[kickerb]

Strange I guess I am somewhat alone then or maybe just overly critical. I can't understand why Daenerys Targaryen had zero screen time again. The dragons and whatnot have interested me as to where they will go with it and IIRC with the last 2 episodes she has 1 minute of screen time. The dragons haven't had much screen time either and they were the BIG introduction at the season 1 ending...how deceiving.

Also Jon and the wildlings do not show up in this episode. No one in karth or whatever is in the episode. Also IIRC Rob Stark wasn't in the episode or Lady Stark. Arya Stark wasn't in the episode.....I could continue on but really the only key people in the episode were the Lannisters and Stannis's army. So I have to say....filler episode for the second week in a row.

This show REALLY needs more then 10 episodes per season, they are leaving out people all the time. I can't understand how with SO many key characters you have so few episodes. They are trying to tell an epic story with many people and trying do to it in 10 episodes with a few filler episodes here and there.

I also didn't find the battle to really be on an epic level. The ships getting taken out was really cool but after that it really felt small scale. Definitely not the massive army I was hoping for.

I had also assumed there would be more wellfire or whatnot. The ship was loaded but I figured they would be throwing it down on Stannis's army as well.

Seems like the Lannisters had half a plan and Tyrion had to improvise.

Not really a rant but I'm done.
From what I have gathered, Daenerys Targaryen and her dragons are not all that relevant in the second book, therefore not getting screen time. Some one correct me if I'm wrong.

I agree that they need more episodes. But, this episode was titled blackwater. It was all about the battle. And I can see where some viewers would be disappointed with it. I loved, for one fact only...they didn't skip the scene! Many other battles have happened where we see the start, and then the end with no actual battle scene. It was awesome to actually see some gory battle action.

I think you might be forgetting that the show is based on the book, so if a character is not getting screen time, it is simply because they are not getting book time. I have heard from people who read the books that you can go hundreds of pages before circling back to a particular character.

With all that being said, the show is called Game of Thrones, I would hardly call this last episode filler, as it was a major fight for the throne.

[Bill86]

I guess I was stating from the fact that the last scene in season 1 was Daenerys Targaryen and the dragons that it would only make logical sense they have a decent bit of time in season 2. However this is not the case, as I said....deceiving and a bit disappointing.

Also, I deemed it filler because who didn't know the Lannisters would prevail? I never read the books but I knew that battle was over for Stannis before the episode aired. So why waste 10% of the season on it? Maybe I just prefer a good story to some action violence I could see in THOUSANDS of movies that has all been done before.

I really think all of the problems and my complaints lie in the small seasons for such a big show. Aren't the ratings enough to allow for 2 more shows budget? Even if it's mostly story and nothing big and expensive?

Or maybe I just like to b!tch a lot and should just enjoy the show for what it is not what it should be....:hm

[Powers]

Also, I deemed it filler because who didn't know the Lannisters would prevail? I never read the books but I knew that battle was over for Stannis before the episode aired.

Who could have called that Ned Stark would've gotten his head chopped off at the end of Season 1? I've always heard that the books, and thus the show, are anything but predictable :2

[Brutus2600]

I guess I was stating from the fact that the last scene in season 1 was Daenerys Targaryen and the dragons that it would only make logical sense they have a decent bit of time in season 2. However this is not the case, as I said....deceiving and a bit disappointing.

Also, I deemed it filler because who didn't know the Lannisters would prevail? I never read the books but I knew that battle was over for Stannis before the episode aired. So why waste 10% of the season on it? Maybe I just prefer a good story to some action violence I could see in THOUSANDS of movies that has all been done before.

I really think all of the problems and my complaints lie in the small seasons for such a big show. Aren't the ratings enough to allow for 2 more shows budget? Even if it's mostly story and nothing big and expensive?

Or maybe I just like to b!tch a lot and should just enjoy the show for what it is not what it should be....:hm

I think you nailed the issue right on the head there.

The battle at Blackwater was a HUGE part of the book - the tension leading up to it, the preparation leading up to it, the actual battle itself, and then all the character story lines that were affected by the battle - the fact that they dedicated an entire episode to it isn't surprising really.

The problem is though, that there is SO much in the book to cram into 10 episodes that you will feel like you're missing out on some things when you don't see most of the characters in one episode. Sure in the books you might go for half a book without hearing from one of the characters, but if you haven't read the books it can easily make the show feel like it's missing pieces. I personally didn't miss Jon, Daenerys, Robb, etc...because I knew they'd be back and the story was busy focusing on Stannis/Tyrion/Sansa.

I know this isn't the way it should be, but I feel like anybody who is watching the series should read the books, and anybody who read the books should watch the series. The show SHOULD be able to stand on its own in terms of comprehension of story lines and characters, but it is so much easier to understand it if you've read the books. Since I've read the books I'm just sitting back and enjoying seeing the visuals of all the things I remember, and whatever they're missing from the books I just fill in from my memories. The problem right there is if you haven't read the books you don't have that information :(

[DBall]

I am personally glad I have not read the books. I understand them to be dry and overly-detailed. The show is not, haha.

over detailed, yes, but nowhere near dry. :tu

Game of Thrones-inspired Troop Auction lot: HERE (http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=55913)

Muahahahaha! This lot rocks. Having Vinny as your personal Jaqen? Priceless...

[Jefft72]

I haven't read the books and am thoroughly enjoying the show. I can't believe that it's almost the end of season 2. My wife wants to re-watch season 1 and 2 again to make sure we are filled in on characters and story lines.

[OLS]

I am personally of the opinion that Danerys should just bring her pale a55 over to my house and make me a sammich.
I'd be all like "Hey....Danerys....why don't you....get in the kitchen and make me a sammich, got dammit!"

[rebelknight]

Strange I guess I am somewhat alone then or maybe just overly critical. I can't understand why Daenerys Targaryen had zero screen time again. The dragons and whatnot have interested me as to where they will go with it and IIRC with the last 2 episodes she has 1 minute of screen time. The dragons haven't had much screen time either and they were the BIG introduction at the season 1 ending...how deceiving.

Also Jon and the wildlings do not show up in this episode. No one in karth or whatever is in the episode. Also IIRC Rob Stark wasn't in the episode or Lady Stark. Arya Stark wasn't in the episode.....I could continue on but really the only key people in the episode were the Lannisters and Stannis's army. So I have to say....filler episode for the second week in a row.

This show REALLY needs more then 10 episodes per season, they are leaving out people all the time. I can't understand how with SO many key characters you have so few episodes. They are trying to tell an epic story with many people and trying do to it in 10 episodes with a few filler episodes here and there.

I also didn't find the battle to really be on an epic level. The ships getting taken out was really cool but after that it really felt small scale. Definitely not the massive army I was hoping for.

I had also assumed there would be more wellfire or whatnot. The ship was loaded but I figured they would be throwing it down on Stannis's army as well.

Seems like the Lannisters had half a plan and Tyrion had to improvise.

Not really a rant but I'm done.


I'm reading the books right now and a friend and I were talking about one of the nice things martin does is to back up two pov from the same place (Tyrion followed by Sansa for example). It's nice because if you get really into one storyline you just keep wanting more. That being said my friend and I also agreed sometimes characters get lost for too long and you find yourself checking a few chapters ahead just to make sure you'll get to hear more about the characters that tend to get left out for a while. So i guess it's a love hate thing for me but i definitely understand why they decided to do the entire episode at kings landing. The season finale should be pretty great also. Theres a lot going on that was not mentioned in Sundays episode.

As a side note the 5th book is called a dance with dragons so be patient and im sure more dragon fun will come.

[DBall]

I'm reading the books right now and a friend and I were talking about one of the nice things martin does is to back up two pov from the same place (Tyrion followed by Sansa for example). It's nice because if you get really into one storyline you just keep wanting more. That being said my friend and I also agreed sometimes characters get lost for too long and you find yourself checking a few chapters ahead just to make sure you'll get to hear more about the characters that tend to get left out for a while. So i guess it's a love hate thing for me but i definitely understand why they decided to do the entire episode at kings landing. The season finale should be pretty great also. Theres a lot going on that was not mentioned in Sundays episode.

As a side note the 5th book is called a dance with dragons so be patient and im sure more dragon fun will come.

ADWD is a great book so far. In other news, are you coming to the upstate NY herf Saturday?! :D

[rebelknight]

ADWD is a great book so far. In other news, are you coming to the upstate NY herf Saturday?! :D

I wish. I had a great time last year. I have finals coming up though and then graduation. Have a great time at the herf and hopefully i'll be able to makr it next year

[Bill86]

I haven't read the books and am thoroughly enjoying the show. I can't believe that it's almost the end of season 2. My wife wants to re-watch season 1 and 2 again to make sure we are filled in on characters and story lines.

So it isn't just me? Good, I didn't think I was going crazy yet.

It seems the general consensus is WE WANT MORE GAME OF THRONES!

Now how do we make this happen? :D

I am personally of the opinion that Danerys should just bring her pale a55 over to my house and make me a sammich.
I'd be all like "Hey....Danerys....why don't you....get in the kitchen and make me a sammich, got dammit!"

:tu

Maybe the dragons could toast the bread and she could just make sandwiches :banger

[Wanger]

I am personally of the opinion that Danerys should just bring her pale a55 over to my house and make me a sammich.
I'd be all like "Hey....Danerys....why don't you....get in the kitchen and make me a sammich, got dammit!"

If I'm bringing her over to my house, it wouldn't be for her to make me some sammiches. LOL

[irratebass]

if i'm bringing her over to my house, it wouldn't be for her to make me some sammiches. Lol

bazinga!

[DBall]

If I'm bringing her over to my house, it wouldn't be for her to make me some sammiches. LOL

Word.:xxx

[OLS]

Did NO ONE get the Cartman reference?? My god you people with your Ephones and you Emo-pods and cargo shorts.
Get with the 90s, man.

[Powers]

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/thegeneral320/LqFj77.jpg

[fencefixer]

Seriously?! @ season ending. Yaaaaaawn...

[Beagleone]

For various reasons, I missed the last half of Season 2. Thankfully, I was able to catch them all of the episodes yesterday on the marathon one of the HBO channels was having. I like most of it and there were clearly several story lines (and characters) that were cut from the book. I liked how Blackwater was done, but wish they would have done more. As for the season finale, I thought it was good, especially with Jon Snow, Tyrion and Danerys story lines. The producers could have done more with the other story lines, but the ending shot with Sam and the White Walkers was a good set up for next season.

[irratebass]

White Walkers are :banger

[Bill86]

Seriously?! @ season ending. Yaaaaaawn...

This I must agree. I was waiting for something epic to happen at the end and it just didn't deliver. In fact I waited 2 days to watch it just because I knew it wasn't going to deliver.

This show has many ups and downs. I'll always watch it but it definitely could be MUCH better.

Everything was quite predictable.

[Powers]

This I must agree. I was waiting for something epic to happen at the end and it just didn't deliver. In fact I waited 2 days to watch it just because I knew it wasn't going to deliver.

This show has many ups and downs. I'll always watch it but it definitely could be MUCH better.

Everything was quite predictable.

It had every single character in it at least!

[Bill86]

It had every single character in it at least!

This is true :r

Hopefully down the road they can budget for a few more episodes in future seasons. Or make it a 90 minute show :dr :dr

[irratebass]

It had every single character in it at least!

Not true, the brother (who took over winterfell) his sister.....she wasn't in it or if she was I missed her.

[Dukeuni]

Ugh, this series is driving me crazy since it misses so much from the book. Heck, the entire ending with Danerys was wrong- I thought in the book that she sells one of her dragons for a army of unsoiled, and then she has the dragon burn all of those "leaders" of the city, and then sacks the city with her new army of unsoilled. Am I wrong with that? Seems to me that they need to have the unsoiled army somehow placed int he series since it was a decent part of the book.

[Dukeuni]

Not true, the brother (who took over winterfell) his sister.....she wasn't in it or if she was I missed her.

The sister was in the book, but I do not believe she was the one that picked her up. It was the kids Theon's uncle (I think) that picked him up at the dock, mocked him, etc. Sister did not come up until they got closer to the castle I think.

[Brutus2600]

Ugh, this series is driving me crazy since it misses so much from the book. Heck, the entire ending with Danerys was wrong- I thought in the book that she sells one of her dragons for a army of unsoiled, and then she has the dragon burn all of those "leaders" of the city, and then sacks the city with her new army of unsoilled. Am I wrong with that? Seems to me that they need to have the unsoiled army somehow placed int he series since it was a decent part of the book.

She goes to Qarth before she goes to Astapor to get her army of Unsullied in the books, so the show isn't wrong in that fact.

However, they have deviated SIGNIFICANTLY from the books with the Qarth storyline. I'm hoping they get back on track with the Astapor/Unsullied storyline, I really liked it.

[Dukeuni]

She goes to Qarth before she goes to Astapor to get her army of Unsullied in the books, so the show isn't wrong in that fact.

However, they have deviated SIGNIFICANTLY from the books with the Qarth storyline. I'm hoping they get back on track with the Astapor/Unsullied storyline, I really liked it.

Ah, I knew I was missing something! Thanks for setting it straight, and for fixing the names I have done- unsoiled vs. unsullied.

[massphatness]

lol @unsoiled :D

[DBall]

In the audiobooks, Ray Dotrice pronounced it un-solid...

[Skywalker]

I caught one of the last episodes of the season on free HBO yesterday... Made no sense to me, because I never watched the show before! :bh

Reminded me of Lord of the Rings meets the Walking Dead! :tu

[OLS]

That's funny you should say that Sky, in that the last scene made me sarcastically remark to no one but myself,
"Dang, are zombies SO popular that we have to end season two of GOT with a zombie horde?" Love the show,
but wtf?

[Brutus2600]

To be fair the book with that scene was written in 2000, and the Others are pretty specifically "frozen winter zombies" just with a different name, so I'm not so sure it was cashing in on zombie popularity so much as just a coincidence :)

[Skywalker]

That's funny you should say that Sky, in that the last scene made me sarcastically remark to no one but myself,
"Dang, are zombies SO popular that we have to end season two of GOT with a zombie horde?" Love the show,
but wtf?

Oh! So the zombie thing is new! I may have to get HBO!:sh

To be fair the book with that scene was written in 2000, and the Others are pretty specifically "frozen winter zombies" just with a different name, so I'm not so sure it was cashing in on zombie popularity so much as just a coincidence :)

Zombies are nothing new, however it doesn't hurt to throw them in for good measure!:tu

[OLS]

Haha, I know they aren't playing the zombie card....but I had to say it. Interesting that Season 2 ends about the
way Season 1 Started.

Before I ever saw a show, I looked up G.O.T. on the yousetube and saw the first scene of the first episode where the
guys get overwhelmed by the WWs. I was HOOKED! But I had no idea that it was the very first scene. Once I saw
that scene play out after popping in the Episode 1 DVD, I was like "Oh yeah, it's ON now.

[Brutus2600]

Haha, I know they aren't playing the zombie card....but I had to say it. Interesting that Season 2 ends about the
way Season 1 Started.

Before I ever saw a show, I looked up G.O.T. on the yousetube and saw the first scene of the first episode where the
guys get overwhelmed by the WWs. I was HOOKED! But I had no idea that it was the very first scene. Once I saw
that scene play out after popping in the Episode 1 DVD, I was like "Oh yeah, it's ON now.

Yeah, I kind of like how the entire series is started out with the WW's but then completely focuses on other stuff. It kind of puts you in the mindset of most of the people in the book, which is "eh, there's all this other stuff going on, we don't need to worry about fairy tales" and then suddenly it's like "BAM - SHOULD'VE LISTENED TO THE WARNINGS!" :D

I think there is going to be some major poop going down up north and it will be a pretty big focus in the next couple books that will make the struggle for the throne seem small in comparison.

[OLS]

When the hell is this coming BACK on again???

[kickerb]

3-31-13

[OLS]

Might as well be 2049...

[Chainsaw13]

Reviving an old thread since there wasn't one for the last season.

Interesting theory for this upcoming season - http://www.businessinsider.com/game-of-thrones-cleganebowl-theory-2015-5?r=UK&IR=T

[Porch Dweller]

I've never put much stock into the Cleganebowl theory...but I admit it would be great to see.

[mahtofire14]

That is an interesting theory. I'm pretty excited for the new season.:noon

[markem]

I read the books but haven't gotten in to the series. But for those that have ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wro0VE6i-XM

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7h1PRL-oTo

[CigarNut]

Very cool!

[mahtofire14]

Can't wait for Sunday!

[Chainsaw13]

Reviving this thread. Anyone else watching the new House of the Dragon series?

[Porch Dweller]

I haven't watched the second episode, but will this week. So far I'm intrigued...

[Chainsaw13]

I haven't watched the second episode, but will this week. So far I'm intrigued...

Watched episode 2 last night. Getting good.

[Chainsaw13]

Currently rewatching season 5 of the original. Last episode. Poor Stannis.

[Porch Dweller]

Currently rewatching season 5 of the original. Last episode. Poor Stannis.

He deserved a better end. IMNSHO, there were two characters that the showrunners just didn't understand, Stannis and Jamie Lannister. The book versions are so much better.