Sons of Anarchy Season 3 - DISCUSSION THREAD

[DennisP]

Don't get me wrong, it's still good and one of the few shows I go out of my way to watch the night it airs (especially as late as it airs). But, before this season it was slightly ahead of Breaking Bad; Breaking Bad is now way ahead.

It went from very entertaining and well written should have received and Emmy nomination to just entertaining.

[icehog3]

Don't get me wrong, it's still good and one of the few shows I go out of my way to watch the night it airs (especially as late as it airs). But, before this season it was slightly ahead of Breaking Bad; Breaking Bad is now way ahead.

It went from very entertaining and well written should have received and Emmy nomination to just entertaining.

We are pretty close to the same page then, Dennis. :tu

[GKitty]

Season Finale tonight... Makes me a sad kitty.

[Bill86]

Yeah I hope it's good, this season has been MEH.

[DennisP]

I've heard the finale is very good, even by critics that have criticized this season.

[Darrell]

I can't wait for it to come on. Ohmanohmanohmanohmanohmanohman.

[elderboy02]

Wow, what an ending! :banger I will wait until tomorrow to talk about it in case those of you who haven't seen it yet wont get the spoilers.

[JDTexan]

I agree, great way to end the season!

[SmokeyJoe]

I thought the ending was very satisfying... and sets plenty in motion for Season 4! :ss

[SouthernSmoke]

Great way to cap off the season. I don't think anyone saw it coming, either. Now for next September to roll around....

[Bill86]

Now THAT was an ending! FINALLY!

[rennD]

Great ending! Way better than last season. It's was the ending for two seasons.

[icehog3]

Wow, what an ending! :banger I will wait until tomorrow to talk about it in case those of you who haven't seen it yet wont get the spoilers.

I am guessing everyone has seen it by now. I can't believe they killed off Clay. Well, I guess Jax is in charge next season.

[Bill86]

I am guessing everyone has seen it by now. I can't believe they killed off Clay. Well, I guess Jax is in charge next season.

:hy :hy :hy :hy :hy

[trader1974]

Wrapped up alot of loose ends with that finish! Very nice!

[DennisP]

Great finish, made up for what I thought was a mediocre season (by SoA standards). Like rennD said, good wrap up, I was worried we didn't get that.

Very glad to see Stahl dead, character was great, but they took her too far and used her too often just for plot.

I assume that Opie and Chibs would still serve the time for the gun charges like everyone else, just get arrested later? It's not like they'll just forget their names were on the original arrests.

[SmokeyJoe]

Remember... Opie never got arrested for the original gun charge. He had left before the Police arrived... he was following Zobel.

And it may be that Chibs was not there either... wasn't he still in the hospital? :ss

Great finish, made up for what I thought was a mediocre season (by SoA standards). Like rennD said, good wrap up, I was worried we didn't get that.

Very glad to see Stahl dead, character was great, but they took her too far and used her too often just for plot.

I assume that Opie and Chibs would still serve the time for the gun charges like everyone else, just get arrested later? It's not like they'll just forget their names were on the original arrests.

[J0eybb]

Should have dumped the mag into her skull.

[Gophernut]

I am kinda torn about Stahl. She is just the type of bat $hit crazy character that makes you love to hate her.

I kept thinking that the club had something up their sleeve, but didn't think the story would play out that way, without Jemma knowing about it.

[GKitty]

This season has been an excercise in going with the script for me. There were a few points where I would have written it differently, but Kurt Sutter I am not... and Thank, God!! :) I feel like having seen the finale, I can go back through the season with new eyes. Some of the things that left me scratching my head, might now make perfect sense. I can't wait to have an SOA marathon with my DVR.

Ok, one last time, for old time's sake... F*#@ Stahl!! I've hated her since day 1 and to see her finally dealt with makes me all warm and fuzzy. I'm glad Opie got to the be the one to pull the trigger. I feel like there was closure in that for him and it clears the way for an Opie-Layla story. Maybe, she'll make better friends.

Season 3 felt like a chess game to me. Opening moves pretty standard and unexciting. Middle game of jockeying for position and setting traps. And then.... Snap! Boom! Crash!!... wtf was that?!! Checkmate?! YES!!! I know a lot of people hated the whole baby-chasing storyline, but it introduced us to a lot of new faces, dug up some old history, and prepared the way for next season. There's a whole new array of characters to play with.

YMMV, but I think this season was absolutely brilliant. It takes a great writer to set up a picture that big and make all the pieces fit together right. Where last season's finale left me pissed off and anxious to know what happened next, this season's left me satisfied and looking forward to the next chapter. I can't wait to see what Sutter has in store up ahead. I heart Charlie Hunnam as an actor (not just because he's hot) and I wanna be Gemma when I grow up.

How many days until September? :)

Remember... Opie never got arrested for the original gun charge. He had left before the Police arrived... he was following Zobel.

And it may be that Chibs was not there either... wasn't he still in the hospital? :ss

I'm pretty certain Chibs wasn't there.

[DennisP]

Remember... Opie never got arrested for the original gun charge. He had left before the Police arrived... he was following Zobel.

And it may be that Chibs was not there either... wasn't he still in the hospital? :ss

You're right, totally forgot.

Can they vote on membership with only the few not in jail?

[J0eybb]

They opened a whole new story line with the Russians.


ETA: Just saw this: S4 teaser. jax gets out of jail, realizes the russians took his wallet, we go to moscow for 7 eps to find it, he falls in love with borscht.

[GKitty]

You're right, totally forgot.

Can they vote on membership with only the few not in jail?

They can. Remember Kozik and Tig had a conversation about that on the "playground".

[DennisP]

They can. Remember Kozik and Tig had a conversation about that on the "playground".

I remember the conversation about Tig not being able to vote because he can't ride (license suspended), but not on them going to jail.

Wondering if we'll see more Kozik.

[GKitty]

I remember the conversation about Tig not being able to vote because he can't ride (license suspended), but not on them going to jail.

Wondering if we'll see more Kozik.

No, Tig can vote, which is why Kozik isn't in now. He blocked him the two times they tried to vote him in. I wonder if we'll ever get the rest of the story about Tig's girl Missy.

[DennisP]

No, Tig can vote, which is why Kozik isn't in now. He blocked him the two times they tried to vote him in. I wonder if we'll ever get the rest of the story about Tig's girl Missy.

I know he could, but he's also riding. They kind of dropped the whole his license is suspended thing after Kozik mentioned it.

[icehog3]

No, Tig can vote, which is why Kozik isn't in now. He blocked him the two times they tried to vote him in. I wonder if we'll ever get the rest of the story about Tig's girl Missy.

She was his dog, don't you remember the picture he pulled out of his wallet on the porch swing, Crystal? :)

[Chainsaw13]

The one thing I don't get in the episode last night, maybe it was tipping their hand a bit. During the chase scene with the club/Russians, the Feds pull out and block the road. The club stops, guy driving the van gets on the bike with Tig(?) and they ride through the road block, as the Feds waive them through. Made me scratch my head at first, but then made sense at the end. Anyone else think that?

[rennD]

The one thing I don't get in the episode last night, maybe it was tipping their hand a bit. During the chase scene with the club/Russians, the Feds pull out and block the road. The club stops, guy driving the van gets on the bike with Tig(?) and they ride through the road block, as the Feds waive them through. Made me scratch my head at first, but then made sense at the end. Anyone else think that?

Yea that is right. If the club didnt know about the deal, how'd they know to drive through as quickly as they did? Great point Chainsaw.

[DennisP]

The one thing I don't get in the episode last night, maybe it was tipping their hand a bit. During the chase scene with the club/Russians, the Feds pull out and block the road. The club stops, guy driving the van gets on the bike with Tig(?) and they ride through the road block, as the Feds waive them through. Made me scratch my head at first, but then made sense at the end. Anyone else think that?

I didn't get that. Jax told Stahl to do it this way so the club doesn't think he ratted, that it looks like they're going after the Russians. But, would they really leave a van with Jimmy O. that easily and just take off if that was the case? Does Stahl not see how planned it was for Juice to jump out of the van and on a bike and take off?

Also, there was a huge box of guns in that van, what happened to that, or does the ATF just ignore it for them here?

[Chainsaw13]

Also, there was a huge box of guns in that van, what happened to that, or does the ATF just ignore it for them here?

yea, forgot about that also, cause they made a point during the exchange with the Russians to show Bobby look at the bag of guns.

[DennisP]

Yea that is right. If the club didnt know about the deal, how'd they know to drive through as quickly as they did? Great point Chainsaw.

Yeah, they knew. I actually think they knew before they went to Belfast, but that is up for interpretation. I'd like to rewatch the season with that in mind and see if anything leads me to believe they know or don't.

One big tipping point for me was how Jax was always meeting with Stahl alone. He just shows up to get $250k by himself? Jax never travels on club business alone. Then he just shows up after they kidnap Jimmy O. to meet with Stahl. Those had me thinking something was up before it happened.

[Chainsaw13]

One big tipping point for me was how Jax was always meeting with Stahl alone. He just shows up to get $250k by himself? Jax never travels on club business alone. Then he just shows up after they kidnap Jimmy O. to meet with Stahl. Those had me thinking something was up before it happened.

Same for when Unser shows up as they're leaving to get Jimmy O. Clay thanks him for all he's done for the club, implying the $250k. You'd have thought Jax would've interveined to deflect at that point, since he told Stahl he would say he got it from Unser.

Either way, it sets up for a good 4th season. You can see the groundwork is laid for a Gemma/Kara battle.

[J0eybb]

They clearly knew what was up at that point.

[elderboy02]

...
Either way, it sets up for a good 4th season. You can see the groundwork is laid for a Gemma/Kara battle.

Who is Kara? You talking about Jax's old lady Tara?

[rennD]

Yeah, they knew. I actually think they knew before they went to Belfast, but that is up for interpretation..

I know that they were aware of the deal. What I was expanding on was what Chainsaw said. So if they were playing along that they didn't know about the deal, why'd they pass the roadblock so quickly? I think this was one of the major flaws on how they shot that scene.

[Chainsaw13]

Who is Kara? You talking about Jax's old lady Tara?

Doh!. Yes, Tara. I was rereading it after I posted and didn't think it was right.

[DennisP]

I know that they were aware of the deal. What I was expanding on was what Chainsaw said. So if they were playing along that they didn't know about the deal, why'd they pass the roadblock so quickly? I think this was one of the major flaws on how they shot that scene.

I agree, although they did wait for Stahl to wave them by. If they don't know what's going on and see the ATF waive them through, they probably go with it. But, definitely some holes there.

[rennD]

I agree, although they did wait for Stahl to wave them by. If they don't know what's going on and see the ATF waive them through, they probably go with it. But, definitely some holes there.

Yup. Even if they give a short pause in their actions, that wouldve been fine. Instead the guy driving the van just jumped out and jumped on the back of the bike so quickly.

[icehog3]

It's fiction...and entertainment. Take it for what it's worth, over-analyzing takes away from the enjoyment for me, anyway.

[SmokeyJoe]

It's fiction...and entertainment. Take it for what it's worth, over-analyzing takes away from the enjoyment for me, anyway.

Exactly!

Besides... I'm still stunned by Clay's death and the fact that dead prospect Kip and Tara have a test-tube love child. Looks like Cherry will be the new President of SAMBEL, too. ;) :r

[GKitty]

:l

Thank you.

That is all.

[icehog3]

Exactly!

Besides... I'm still stunned by Clay's death and the fact that dead prospect Kip and Tara have a test-tube love child. Looks like Cherry will be the new President of SAMBEL, too. ;) :r

Love Bobby's new crew cut, though. :tu

[SmokeyJoe]

Love Bobby's new crew cut, though. :tu

Not to mention his matching bikini wax... might even get back in the good graces of his ex-old lady - "Precious." :D

[icehog3]

Not to mention his matching bikini wax... might even get back in the good graces of his ex-old lady - "Precious." :D

Precious....nummy! :r

I can't believe Tig and Chibs are forming a civil union.

[Gophernut]

Not to mention his matching bikini wax... might even get back in the good graces of his ex-old lady - "Precious." :D

Opie's perm looks very stylish though.

[Volusianator]

[QUOTE=Chainsaw13;1079495]Same for when Unser shows up as they're leaving to get Jimmy O. Clay thanks him for all he's done for the club, implying the $250k. You'd have thought Jax would've interveined to deflect at that point, since he told Stahl he would say he got it from Unser.

QUOTE]

Admittingly I got nervous at that point, but when nothing came of it, my suspicions started to grow.

I would like to know what happened to the bag of guns however.

[J0eybb]

The guns were probably transferred to the car from the van along with the body.

[rennD]

It's fiction...and entertainment. Take it for what it's worth, over-analyzing takes away from the enjoyment for me, anyway.

I agree, ofcourse, that it is fiction. But entertainment for me has a lot to do with the plot. All I am saying is that scene with the roadblock had a hole in it. Luckily that scene didnt fuss too much with the rest of the show. :tu

[Bill86]

It's fiction...and entertainment. Take it for what it's worth, over-analyzing takes away from the enjoyment for me, anyway.

This. That was probably the best conceivable ending. I've been criticizing this season heavily but in the end I'm definitely satisfied.

[kydsid]

The guns were probably transferred to the car from the van along with the body.

Ding. Winner Winner Chicken Dinner. The guns weren't the only thing missing from the van that Stahl thought would be in it.

[icehog3]

I agree, ofcourse, that it is fiction. But entertainment for me has a lot to do with the plot. All I am saying is that scene with the roadblock had a hole in it. Luckily that scene didnt fuss too much with the rest of the show. :tu

Carl....Don't ever watch any of the Star Wars or Raiders of the Lost Ark movies....LOTS of holes.


;) :r

[rennD]

Carl....Don't ever watch any of the Star Wars or Raiders of the Lost Ark movies....LOTS of holes.


;) :r

I do but Lucas Movies > SoA ;)

[icehog3]

I do but Lucas Movies > SoA ;)

But how can you be entertained with all those holes? :confused:


;) Just yanking your chain.


P.S.... For me, SoA > Lucas anything.

[Bill86]

But how can you be entertained with all those holes? :confused:


;) Just yanking your chain.


P.S.... For me, SoA > Lucas anything.

:tpd:

Lucas is so overrated and played out. He had 2-3 good ideas and whored it up for YEARS on a few simple ideas. Star wars lego games? Star wars cartoons? Whore much? I think so. He's all about the $$$ and ruining the original star wars. :td

[icehog3]

Not trying to start any kind of Lucas bashing or praising here, just saying personally I like Sutter's stuff better. ;)

[Ken]

Man, I don't think I want to watch either Plan 9 from Outer Space or The Walking Dead with some of you guys. LOL! Sometimes you have to shut the brain off and drool while you watch. I understand though. It's rough sitting through the sound effects of cocking a trigger on a Glock.

I think the season finale delivered. Too often I'm just left feeling empty after a season finale. I know several of us felt 'blah' after some of The Shield's. I got my time and monies worth. I'm actually going to watch it again.

And that was a great way for Stahl to go out.:tu

[Darrell]

Doh!. Yes, Tara. I was rereading it after I posted and didn't think it was right.

A Tara and Gemma battle? I really don't see that happening. :2

This was a GREAT finale. I was in awe at the end. Kurt Sutter is a genius.

[Darrell]

I do but Lucas Movies > SoA ;)

I'm a big fan of Lucas, but he killed Star Wars when he created Jar Jar Binks in the Phantom Menace and he killed Indiana Jones with the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

I love both of those series up to the aforementioned movies.

[Darrell]

More thoughts....

Did anyone else think that when Wayne was taking off his shield and putting his service piece away in favor of the revolver in his desk that he was going to kill himself?

Also, that circle and cross or T that Chibbs drew on the back window of Stahl's cruiser, does anyone know the meaning behind it? I thought it might have been a Russian symbol so that the murders could be pinned on them.

I also LOVED how Chibbs finished off Jimmy. The slices on his mouth were a nice touch. I hope that his girls get to come back to the states with him. That would be sweet.

The Shield is my favorite TV series of all time, but Sons of Anarchy is in a battle with the Shield for that position.

[jonumberone]

I really loved the Finale. I have to admit, I had Jax pegged as a rat.
I've seen tougher guys fold when they were facing less of a rap.
The best part for me was it could've very well been a series finale.
They tied up all loose ends and paved the way for a whole new storyline keeping things fresh.
I imagine the next time we see SAMCRO they will be 14 months into their sentence,
Unser will be dead, the relationship with the Irish will be cemented, and the beef with the Russians will be settled since SOA will now be supplying them with guns,
paving the way for all new villains and antagonists.
Brilliant writing :tu

[goalie204]

Great Finale! Really enjoyed it even tho i totally saw it coming. A fantastic season overall

[newcigarz]

Really enjoyed this Finale. :tu

[hscmit]

More thoughts....

Did anyone else think that when Wayne was taking off his shield and putting his service piece away in favor of the revolver in his desk that he was going to kill himself?

Also, that circle and cross or T that Chibbs drew on the back window of Stahl's cruiser, does anyone know the meaning behind it? I thought it might have been a Russian symbol so that the murders could be pinned on them.

I also LOVED how Chibbs finished off Jimmy. The slices on his mouth were a nice touch. I hope that his girls get to come back to the states with him. That would be sweet.

The Shield is my favorite TV series of all time, but Sons of Anarchy is in a battle with the Shield for that position.


loved the shield but hated the ending. I hope sons will have a better final ending

this season turned around with these last two episodes and left me pleased after a very blah first 2 months

[J0eybb]

The ending for the shield was perfect. I used to think that was a horrible way out of that show, but it all made it oh so perfect.

[SmokeyJoe]

More thoughts....

Did anyone else think that when Wayne was taking off his shield and putting his service piece away in favor of the revolver in his desk that he was going to kill himself?

Also, that circle and cross or T that Chibbs drew on the back window of Stahl's cruiser, does anyone know the meaning behind it? I thought it might have been a Russian symbol so that the murders could be pinned on them.

I also LOVED how Chibbs finished off Jimmy. The slices on his mouth were a nice touch. I hope that his girls get to come back to the states with him. That would be sweet.

The Shield is my favorite TV series of all time, but Sons of Anarchy is in a battle with the Shield for that position.

I DID think that Unser might do that very thing. :D

I assumed the symbol was IRA... the FBI knew they wanted Jimmy dead. And the end as it came for Stahl and Jimmy were nothing short of poetic. Nice touch on both.

Very satisfying. I think Crystal is right... watching the earlier episodes of Season 3 will be more interesting after seeing how it ended up. :tu

[GKitty]

Also, that circle and cross or T that Chibbs drew on the back window of Stahl's cruiser, does anyone know the meaning behind it? I thought it might have been a Russian symbol so that the murders could be pinned on them.

I believe this is the same symbol that was drawn on Cameron when the IRA killed him. I'm pretty sure it's an IRA calling card.

[Darrell]

even tho i totally saw it coming.

Of course you did. :rolleyes:

[elderboy02]

I thought Unser would kill himself as well.

[Scothew]

I believe this is the same symbol that was drawn on Cameron when the IRA killed him. I'm pretty sure it's an IRA calling card.

99% sure you are correct.

Great final episode for the season. It made me smile when they pulled up in the school bus. I still didnt realize who all knew but when the probies honked the horn and they all laughed, one of the best moments of the season.

And im with you guys, I thought Unser was going to go get high and drunk and then off himself.

[GKitty]

Watched the finale again last night with a friend who hadn't seen it. I kept having to leave the room because I knew what was coming and didn't want to give it away. Still uber-pleased with it.

[icehog3]

Still uber-pleased with it.

I'm uber-pleased that you're uber-pleased, Crystal.:)

[elderboy02]

..
Great final episode for the season. It made me smile when they pulled up in the school bus. I still didnt realize who all knew but when the probies honked the horn and they all laughed, one of the best moments of the season.
...

That was awesome! :r

[GKitty]

I'm uber-pleased that you're uber-pleased, Crystal.:)

Is this the polite equivalent of an itchy butt? ;)

Thanks to everyone who participates in this thread for the added entertainment value you bring to my favorite TV show.

[icehog3]

Is this the polite equivalent of an itchy butt? ;)

Thanks to everyone who participates in this thread for the added entertainment value you bring to my favorite TV show.

Nope...I got nothin' but love for you. Crystal. :)

[DennisP]

Just re-watched the 2nd half of the finale. I thought this season was a letdown compared to the first two, but this finale is a work of art. So worth the pains of some of the child search and plot twists.

It is great to re-watch and look for clues of the setup. One big one is after Jax gets screwed by Stahl he jumps on the bike with a big grin.

Really amazing work by Sutter on this. I put that last half hour up with the end of the Godfather movies in terms of greatness.

[Bill86]

We talking godfather 1, 2 or 3? Big difference.

[DennisP]

We talking godfather 1, 2 or 3? Big difference.

1 and 2.

I realize the difference between a 3 hour movie and a full season TV show, but the ending was greatness.

[Bill86]

I agree, but if you said godfather 3....I would've been like...eh I could've down without that one.

It was definitely the ending I've been DYING to see. I really didn't have high hopes but if one thing is for sure...the ending was AWESOME on levels I haven't seen from the show in a good bit.

[icehog3]

I enjoyed Andy Garcia in Godfather III.

"Joey.......ZAZA!" :r

[Bill86]

Yeah probably the best movie he ever did eh?

[icehog3]

Yeah probably the best movie he ever did eh?

I liked him in Internal Affairs and The Untouchables too.

[Bill86]

yea Untouchables was good, I didn't see internal affairs.

[icehog3]

yea Untouchables was good, I didn't see internal affairs.

It's worth a watch, Bill. Andy Garcia has some anger moments. :r

[Bill86]

I'll get this ASAP, I'll have watched it by tomorrow afternoon. Been pretty bored lately.

[icehog3]

I'll get this ASAP, I'll have watched it by tomorrow afternoon. Been pretty bored lately.

Lemme know what you think.

[Bill86]

Will do for sure. Always looking for good movies to watch, seen far too many.

[ProBe]

It was great, love the show. can't wait for the new season to start.