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[jerseystepup]

Anyone interested in the Renzo/Hughes fight... Renzo looked STRONG today... is cardio is amazing, better than ever.. this morning he weighed 183... and he couldn't be more excited about this fight.

[NCRadioMan]

Anyone interested in the Renzo/Hughes fight... Renzo looked STRONG today... is cardio is amazing, better than ever.. this morning he weighed 183... and he couldn't be more excited about this fight.

Looks like it's gonna be a great card. Gotta go with Renzo and I hope he rips Hughes apart! Never liked him.

[jerseystepup]

It's going to be a war definatly.. I've never seen him like this before... He's so relaxed.. Youd think he's getting ready to go to a party. He's having fun training, having fun working out, having fun teaching, and just totally enjoying himself.. Mentally he's right where he wants to be... Physicaly he's training like he's 25.

[SinPena!]

I like Renzo, but Hughes is going to man handle him. Shamrock was totally controlling Renzo during their fight, and Renzo played the illegal head hit to the fullest.......................

[jerseystepup]

I like Renzo, but Hughes is going to man handle him. Shamrock was totally controlling Renzo during their fight, and Renzo played the illegal head hit to the fullest.......................


Renzo has never looked like he does know... trust me, he's at a different point in his life... And the place where this fight is being held is a very important place to renzo.

[NCRadioMan]

Maybe this will clear things up:

Tito injures neck, Can't fight Chuck at TUF 11 Finale

Reports surfaced of Tito Ortiz being in the hospital over the past few days and that raised speculation of whether it had anything to do with the rumors that the coach of The Ultimate Fighter season 11 was forced out of his gig on the show and his bout with Chuck Liddell was in question.

Thanks to the fine work of the fellas over at FiveOuncesOfPain.com, it seems that there could be a reason for all of this talk.

A storm of speculation has surrounded the reasoning behind Tito Ortiz‘ recent removal from his expected bout with Chuck Liddell along with a recent coaching gig on the eleventh season of The Ultimate Fighter.

Sources close to the situation have recently indicated to FiveOuncesofPain.com that multiple herniations in the neck of Ortiz prompted his removal from both the taping of The Ultimate Fighter Season 11, and his anticipated clash with fellow coach Liddell at the conclusion of the most recent season.

While Ortiz says he was only in the hospital due to a bad case of the flu, these reports indicate that he has a much more serious issue to take care of. Whether the hospital stay and his neck injury are related we do not know, but Ortiz is out of his bout with Chuck Liddell and will now face another recovery from injury.

Ortiz has battled back injuries for quite some time and finally made his return to the octagon late last year where he dropped a split decision contest to fan-favorite Forrest Griffin.

There is no word on how serious the injury is or how long Ortiz could be forced to rehab his neck, but stayed tuned for the latest developments.

[NCRadioMan]

UFC 114 official for May 29, Rashad Evans vs. Quinton Jackson headlines

As expected "The Ultimate Fighter 10" coaches Rashad Evans (14-1-1- MMA, 9-1-1 UFC) and Quinton "Rampage" Jackson (30-7 MMA, 5-1 UFC) finally will meet in May at UFC 114.

The UFC today officially announced the fight, which initially was supposed to take place at in December at UFC 107.

The new meeting takes place May 29 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas and coincides with UFC 2010 Fan Expo, which takes place down the street at its sister property, the Mandalay Bay Events Center.

[tx_tuff]

Now that's the fight I'm looking forward too! I want Jackson to win but don't think he can pull it off.

[SinPena!]

I want Jackson tooooooooooooooo! Silva got robbed on the last fight with Rashad...

Pages boxing and his chin is great! WAR PAGE!

[NCRadioMan]

With the bball tourny going, I totally forgot about this really good card...TONIGHT!

UFC LIVE...Vera vs. Jones live on Versus (which happens to be back on DirecTV thanks to mma fans)

Live at 9pm Eastern

Brandon Vera vs. Jon Jones
Junior Dos Santos vs. Gabriel Gonzaga
Cheick Kongo vs. Paul Buentello
Alessio Sakara vs. James Irvin

Undercard that may not be broadcast:

Clay Guida vs. Shannon Gugerty
Eliot Marshall vs. Vladimir Matyushenko
Duane Ludwig vs. Darren Elkins
John Howard vs. Daniel Roberts
Brendan Schaub vs. Chase Gormley
Mike Pierce vs Julio Paulino
Eric Schafer vs. Jason Brilz

[NCRadioMan]

Well, what looked like a really good card turned out to be............meh. Although JDS is a beast and is quickly on his way to the top. Heavy, heavy hands. Vera and his three broken facial bones should just go away as I am sick of him. He was no match for "Bones" Jones. Irvin, WTH was that?

Jon Jones, Junior Dos Santos, John Howard and Clay Guida each earned $50,000 bonuses for their performances at Sunday's UFC on Versus 1 event.

For the first time ever, the organization dished out three "Knockout of the Night" awards (to Jon Jones, Junior Dos Santos and John Howard), a single "Submission of the Night" bonus (Clay Guida) and no "Fight of the Night" honors.

I am still wondering why Guida was on the undercard. He always has exciting fights.

[NCRadioMan]

As a matter of fact, next up:

Event: Dream 13
Location: Yokohama Arena, Yokohama, Japan
Broadcast: HDNet

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Bibiano Fernandes v. Joachim Hansen
Katsunori Kikuno v. Kuniyoshi Hironaka
KJ Noons v. Andre Amade
Ryo Chonan v. Andrews Nakahara
Ikuhisa Minowa(Man) v. Jimmy Ambriz
Yoshida Maida v. Cole Escavedo
Mighty Mo v. Josh Barnett

Just finished watching these fights.

MinowaMan via leg-lock. No surprise there.
Kikuno by KO
Escavedo (former WEC Camp) by KO with a wicked left head kick
Chonan by decision. Good back and forth fight!
Noons by decision. Kind of a boring boxing match.
Barnett by armbar. Mighty Mo was kicked in the junk early and told the ref's many times he couldn't continue but the ref would not call the fight. So after about 20 min the fight resumed. After the fight was over, Barnett let Mo knee him in the groin. :r
Fernandez defended his title against Hellboy by decision. A relatively boring fight for Hellboy.

[NCRadioMan]

UFC on Versus 2 set for Aug. 1, Oakland to host its first-ever UFC event

BROOMFIELD, Colo. – With its Versus debut in the books, the Ultimate Fighting Championship has already secured a second event on the cable station's lineup.

Following Sunday's successful UFC on Versus 1 event, Versus president Jamie Davis confirmed that UFC on Versus 2 will take place on Aug. 1.

The event takes place in Oakland, Calif., which hosts its first-ever UFC event, though a venue was not announced. MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) is working to confirm additional details of the late-summer show.

[tx_tuff]

Well, what looked like a really good card turned out to be............meh. Although JDS is a beast and is quickly on his way to the top. Heavy, heavy hands. Vera and his three broken facial bones should just go away as I am sick of him. He was no match for "Bones" Jones. Irvin, WTH was that?

Jon Jones, Junior Dos Santos, John Howard and Clay Guida each earned $50,000 bonuses for their performances at Sunday's UFC on Versus 1 event.

For the first time ever, the organization dished out three "Knockout of the Night" awards (to Jon Jones, Junior Dos Santos and John Howard), a single "Submission of the Night" bonus (Clay Guida) and no "Fight of the Night" honors.

I am still wondering why Guida was on the undercard. He always has exciting fights.

I agree with all the above. Plus they just seemed to do more talking and took longer between fights then they do on Spike, may be just in my head. But they could have squeezed in another fight at the end instead of a chessy rerun.

[tx_tuff]

So this past Friday I stopped by one of my local B&Ms and while there one of the guys was talking about his buddy who was dropping by, he is a MMA fighter. So once he got there he sat down and started talking. At first I did know who he was, but after talking to him I found out he is UFC fighter Melvin Guillard http://www.ufc.com/MelvinGuillard (he didn't have his blonde hair LOL). He is fighting Thiago Tavares in UFC 114 (Jackson Vs Evans). He was leaving today to go train in New Mexico. Anyway it was cool talking to and smoking a cigar with the guy. He has a new fan.

[NCRadioMan]

Fedor vs. Werdum scheduled for June

During a press conference following DREAM 13, Scott Coker told reporters that Fedor Emelianenko would finally make his Strikeforce return this summer, seven months after his second-round knockout of Brett Rogers:
"M-1 Global and Strikeforce entered into a three fight contract exclusive for Fedor to fight in a co-promotion between Strikeforce and M-1 Global, and as you know we did the first fight on November 7 in Chicago. Fedor is now scheduled to fight in June towards the end of the month in America against Fabricio Werdum."

:wo

[NCRadioMan]

ESPN's wildly successful web show "MMA Live" is finally getting the recognition it deserves.

MMAmania.com has learned that host Jon Anik along with analysts Franklin McNeil and Kenny Florian will soon bring their mixed martial arts news, highlights and analysis to the world's biggest sports network on ESPN2.

Bout time!

[dannysguitar]

Look who showed up at the cigar lounge last night. The Baby Faced Assasin. http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs453.ash1/24920_1314511460110_1150389655_30848580_5924226_n. jpg

[NCRadioMan]

Look who showed up at the cigar lounge last night. The Baby Faced Assasin. http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs453.ash1/24920_1314511460110_1150389655_30848580_5924226_n. jpg

Did you ask him if he had any steroids? :r


THIAGO ALVES OUT OF UFC 111 FIGHT WITH FITCH

Thiago Alves has been pulled from his fight against Jon Fitch at this weekend's UFC 111 due to a CAT scan that revealed issues that could not be resolved in time for him to receive medical clearance for licensing.

Alves' removal from the card was confirmed to MMAWeekly.com by the UFC, and sources close to the fighter on Thursday.

According to sources speaking to MMAWeekly.com, Alves had a pre-fight CAT scan that revealed a potentially dangerous issue with the fighter's brain, and while doctors were reviewing the issue, he could not be cleared in time to fight at UFC 111.

Alves had already made the trip to New Jersey for the fight, but will now seek out a specialist to try and see if the issue can be resolved. Sources have indicated there is a possibility the UFC may move the fight to the Charlotte, N.C., card coming up on March 31, but at this time it's only speculation until Alves can be cleared medically.

Alves and Fitch were set to rematch from a fight the pair had in 2006 with Fitch coming out on top by TKO. The fighters are currently ranked No. 2 and No. 3 in the world by MMAWeekly.com, behind only UFC welterweight champion Georges St-Pierre.

A lightweight bout between Kurt Pellegrino and Fabricio Camoes will probably replace the Alves vs. Fitch bout it on the UFC 111 live broadcast.

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DREAM Korea Cancelled

NoB is reporting that the April 24 DREAM event in Korea has been cancelled due to not being able to secure a broadcast deal because some star fighters won't be available. This is unfortunate turn of events for FEG/DREAM.

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Anderson Silva still wants to fight at Heavyweight

Anderson "The Spider" Silva holds an impressive record of 25-4 and is currently on a 11 fight win streak and undefeated in the UFC. Silva will attempt to go 9-0 in the UFC as he defends his middleweight title against Damien Maia at UFC 112. Silva still believes that their is plenty of competition and talent still left in the Middleweight division.

“I’m actually far from cleaning out my division,” said Silva through an interpreter Tuesday during a UFC 112 conference call. “I feel like there may be guys that are even better than me coming into the UFC. Proof that there’s tough guys in the division is Demian Maia right now. Going to be a big challenge for me.”

While, in the past Silva has gone back and forth from Middleweight to Light Heavyweight, he is not ruling out the possiblity of going all the way up to Heavyweight. Silva has been reported to walk around 220 pounds usually, so the weight gain does not seem to be a problem, however, Silva is more concerned about putting on the best fights possibly rather than gaining weight.

“My goal is still to put on as many great fights in the UFC, as many victories as I can throughout the three divisions -- middleweight, light heavyweight and possibly heavyweight, Heavyweight is definitely something I have in mind. It’s in my plans. I’ve been adapting my training to take on that challenge.”

[dannysguitar]

Did you ask him if he had any steroids? :r


THIAGO ALVES OUT OF UFC 111 FIGHT WITH FITCH

Thiago Alves has been pulled from his fight against Jon Fitch at this weekend's UFC 111 due to a CAT scan that revealed issues that could not be resolved in time for him to receive medical clearance for licensing.

Alves' removal from the card was confirmed to MMAWeekly.com by the UFC, and sources close to the fighter on Thursday.

According to sources speaking to MMAWeekly.com, Alves had a pre-fight CAT scan that revealed a potentially dangerous issue with the fighter's brain, and while doctors were reviewing the issue, he could not be cleared in time to fight at UFC 111.

Alves had already made the trip to New Jersey for the fight, but will now seek out a specialist to try and see if the issue can be resolved. Sources have indicated there is a possibility the UFC may move the fight to the Charlotte, N.C., card coming up on March 31, but at this time it's only speculation until Alves can be cleared medically.

Alves and Fitch were set to rematch from a fight the pair had in 2006 with Fitch coming out on top by TKO. The fighters are currently ranked No. 2 and No. 3 in the world by MMAWeekly.com, behind only UFC welterweight champion Georges St-Pierre.

A lightweight bout between Kurt Pellegrino and Fabricio Camoes will probably replace the Alves vs. Fitch bout it on the UFC 111 live broadcast.

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DREAM Korea Cancelled

NoB is reporting that the April 24 DREAM event in Korea has been cancelled due to not being able to secure a broadcast deal because some star fighters won't be available. This is unfortunate turn of events for FEG/DREAM.

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Anderson Silva still wants to fight at Heavyweight

Anderson "The Spider" Silva holds an impressive record of 25-4 and is currently on a 11 fight win streak and undefeated in the UFC. Silva will attempt to go 9-0 in the UFC as he defends his middleweight title against Damien Maia at UFC 112. Silva still believes that their is plenty of competition and talent still left in the Middleweight division.

“I’m actually far from cleaning out my division,” said Silva through an interpreter Tuesday during a UFC 112 conference call. “I feel like there may be guys that are even better than me coming into the UFC. Proof that there’s tough guys in the division is Demian Maia right now. Going to be a big challenge for me.”

While, in the past Silva has gone back and forth from Middleweight to Light Heavyweight, he is not ruling out the possiblity of going all the way up to Heavyweight. Silva has been reported to walk around 220 pounds usually, so the weight gain does not seem to be a problem, however, Silva is more concerned about putting on the best fights possibly rather than gaining weight.

“My goal is still to put on as many great fights in the UFC, as many victories as I can throughout the three divisions -- middleweight, light heavyweight and possibly heavyweight, Heavyweight is definitely something I have in mind. It’s in my plans. I’ve been adapting my training to take on that challenge.”

Na, he offered them freely. I'm bummed about Alves :-(

[NCRadioMan]

Na, he offered them freely.
:r

Jardine vs Hammill, likely for TUF 11 Finale

Matt Hamill vs. Keith Jardine targeted for The Ultimate Fighter 11 Finale
by Steven Marrocco on Mar 25, 2010 at 1:30 pm ET
Light heavyweights Matt Hamill (8-2 MMA, 7-2 UFC) and Keith Jardine (15-7-1 MMA, 6-6 UFC) are targeted to meet at The Ultimate Fighter 11 Finale, MMAjunkie.com (http://www.mmajunkie.com) has learned.

Sources close to the negotiations said at least one fighter has formally agreed to the fight and is expected to sign a bout agreement shortly.

Although not yet formally announced by the UFC, The Ultimate Fighter 11 Finale is expected to take place June 19 at the Palms Casino Resort in Las Vegas. The event airs like on Spike TV and features the finalists of the reality show's 11th season as they fight for a UFC contract.



I have a feeling that if Jardine loses this one, he may be out of the UFC.

[dannysguitar]

That's a pretty interesting match up. I think Jardine can win this.

[NCRadioMan]

Wanderlei Silva vs. Yoshihiro Akiyama set for UFC 116 in Las Vegas

A long-rumored middleweight fight between Wanderlei Silva (33-10-1 MMA, 3-5 UFC) and Yoshihiro Akiyama (13-1-2 MMA, 1-0 UFC) is set for UFC 116.

Fighters Only magazine confirmed the match-up earlier today, and MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) subsequently verified the fight is signed with sources close to the situation.

The fight was originally rumored for UFC 115 on June 12 in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.

Although not officially announced by the promotion, UFC 116 is expected to take place July 3 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. UFC heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar is penciled in as a headliner of the event, though his opponent is not yet confirmed.

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Event: UFC 111
Location: Prudential Center: Newark, N.J.
Date: Saturday, March 27 2010

Welterweight Championship Title Bout
George St. Pierre vs. Dan Hardy

Interim Heavyweight (aka The BS) Title Bout
Shane Carwin vs. Frank Mir

Ben Saunders vs. Jon Fitch
Martin Kampmann vs. Ben Saunders
Mark Bocek vs. Jim Miller
Kurt Pellegrino vs. Fabricio Camoes

Undercard:
Nate Diaz vs. Rory Markham
Ricardo Almeida vs. Matt Brown
Jared Hamman vs. Rodney Wallace
Tomasz Drwal vs. Rousimar Palhares
Ricardo Funch vs. Greg Soto

[dannysguitar]

How many Ben Saunders? lol

[NCRadioMan]

Oops! :D

Scratch the Kampmann/Saunders fight. How did that get in there anyway? :D

[MiamiE]

I saw GSP live at UFC 100. What an amazing specimen that guy is along with Lesnar. If you havent seen MMA live you really have to!

[NCRadioMan]

GSP was so dominate, it was boring. I loved seeing Mir get knocked out even though I kinda wanted him to win so Lesnar could take him to the woodshed, again.

[yachties23]

GSP was so dominate, it was boring. I loved seeing Mir get knocked out even though I kinda wanted him to win so Lesnar could take him to the woodshed, again.

GSP fights are becoming more and more boring. He hasn't finished his last three fights. I was impressed at how tough Hardy is. I personally think anybody who gets to fight GSP, should have to go through Fitch or Kos. I think that will eliminate the guys who can't stop a takedown. Its going to take a special fighter to beat GSP. Somebody with KO power and that can withstand that onslaught of takedowns.

Carwin's power is insane. Those short uppercuts absolutely destroyed Mir. It made me happy.

But how do they list Carwin at 6'5'' and Mir at 6'3'' When Mir looked taller?

Jon Fitch was flat out dominant. Easily the 2nd best WW in the world.

Phallares should never be allowed to fight in the UFC again. That was an utter disgrace.

[LasciviousXXX]

It wasn't so much boring for me but Hardy was just WAY out of his league. However, big props for not tapping the 3-4 times GSP was about to snap his damn arm. I was literally amazed during those times.

Total domination by GSP. I didn't think he'd get the KO over Hardy by any stretch but he looked utterly bewildered when he couldn't submit him.

[NCRadioMan]

OVEREEM VS. ROGERS OFFICIALLY FOR THE TITLE

With Alistair Overeem's return to Strikeforce still 6 weeks away, the promotion has made a decision about the heavyweight belt and the title will indeed be on the line when he faces Brett Rogers in St. Louis on May 15.

The news was confirmed to MMAWeekly.com by Strikeforce official Mike Afromowitz on Sunday.

Overeem won the Strikeforce title in 2007 with a win over Paul Buentello, but has been absent from the promotion ever since. The Dutch fighter has also not lost since his last Strikeforce appearance going 6-0-1 over the last few years, while also racking up several impressive wins in K-1.

The title fight will headline the upcoming May 15 show which will broadcast on Showtime, and Overeem will put his belt up for grabs against Brett Rogers, who last competed in Nov 2009 in a loss to Fedor Emelianenko.

Prior to the loss to the Russian, Rogers was undefeated in his career, and even though the defeat put a mark in the loss column, the Chicago born fighter showed tremendous heart and skill against the widely regarded top heavyweight in MMA.

Overeem and Rogers will showcase the heavyweight title fight, and another battle of the big men will serve as the co-main event when former UFC heavyweight champion Andrei Arlovski takes on Antonio "Bigfoot" Silva.


I call BS! Rogers was beaten in his last fight by Fedor, so why is he getting the title shot? Fedor and his people will not like this. It may just be the straw that stroked the camel's sack. At least they are making Overeem defend the belt for the first time in 2 1/2 years.

[LasciviousXXX]

Its been making its way around the MMA world that the reason they tapped Rogers to face Overeem is because The Last Emperor will soon be parting ways with the company.

A few leaked rumors as well as Dana White's "odd" silence on this topic is leaving a few to believe we may finally see Fedor fight under the UFC banner.

Could it be?

[NCRadioMan]

Could it be?
I have no doubt about it. Maybe they want to set up Rogers/Fedor II. I still think it's BS. They could make more money if Fedor was fighting for the belt, then defending it at least once before he leaves.

[ActionAndy]

But how do they list Carwin at 6'5'' and Mir at 6'3'' When Mir looked taller?


Because they're liars. They also claimed more than once all of his victories were by knockout. Which is incredibly untrue.

[NCRadioMan]

Because they're liars. They also claimed more than once all of his victories were by knockout. Which is incredibly untrue.

Yeah, Mir is about 6'3" and Carwin is 6'1". All of Carwin's wins in the UFC are KO's and, of course, if it didn't happen in the UFC it don't count. ;) :r

5 of his 12 wins have been by submission.

[goalie204]

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[NCRadioMan]

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Tonight!
Emanating from the Bojangles Colisuem in Charlotte, N.C. (I am at work or else I would be there, dangit!)
Spike TV @ 8pm

Kenny Florian v. Takanori Gomi
Roy Nelson v. Stefan Struve
Nate Quarry v. Jorge Rivera
Cole Miller v. Andre Winner

Undercard:
Ross Pearson v. Dennis Siver
Yushin Okami v. Lucio Linhares
Caol Uno v. Gleison Tibau

WAR Big Country!

Following this, TUF 11 debuts on Spike.

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UFC Fight Night 21's Stefan Struve welcomes standup war with Roy Nelson

CHARLOTTE, N.C. – UFC heavyweight Stefan Struve (19-3 MMA, 3-1 UFC) didn't exactly impress in his debut for the organization.

Struve was stopped by Brazilian Junior Dos Santos in the first round of their February 2009 meeting. Of course, Dos Santos has done that to almost every opponent he's faced.

And since that debut, Struve has now put together three-straight UFC wins, and the Dutch youngster said he believes he's a real threat in the UFC's heavyweight division.

"Dos Santos is really good – he's a really good fighter – but I just didn't fight," Struve told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). "I was too nervous. It wasn't me. It was just the nerves.

"Your first fight in the UFC is just like your first fight. It's all new, and you just need to learn how to deal with it. I learned how to deal with it, obviously, and now the UFC feels like home for me."

Struve meets "The Ultimate Fighter 10" winner Roy Nelson (14-4 MMA, 1-0 UFC) in the co-main event of tonight's "UFC Fight Night 21: Florian vs. Gomi" event. It's Struve's third-straight fight in the U.S., and the Dutchman said he's comfortable making the journey across the Atlantic.


I think Roy will end up taking this one to the ground.

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Report: Thiago Alves undergoes successful surgery

Former welterweight number one contender Thiago Alves underwent minor surgery today (March 31) to correct the brain "irregularity" that prompted his withdrawal from the UFC 111 fight card at the Prudential Center last Thursday.

TMZ Sports -- who broke the initial story regarding "Pitbull's" condition, first reported the update earlier today.

The Brazilian was pulled from his March 27 fight against Jon Fitch after failing a pre-fight CAT Scan and immediately sought out additional tests from brain specialists to help determine what action needed to be taken -- if any.

Those tests prompted Alves to have an angiogram at the Hyman Newman institute for Neurology and Neurosurgery located at Roosevelt Hospital in New York.

The outpatient procedure was successful in "separating an artery from a vein in his brain" according to the report and Alves is expected to be cleared to resume training in as little as three weeks.

Great news.

[NCRadioMan]

Ok, I was wrong. Big Country traded a few punches and quickly ko's him. :r

KenFlo made Gomi look really bad.

[montecristo#2]

It wasn't so much boring for me but Hardy was just WAY out of his league. However, big props for not tapping the 3-4 times GSP was about to snap his damn arm. I was literally amazed during those times.

Total domination by GSP. I didn't think he'd get the KO over Hardy by any stretch but he looked utterly bewildered when he couldn't submit him.


Yeh, I think Hardy definitely earned some respect from that fight, although he was greatly overmatched by GSP.

Although GSP definitely looked bewildered when Hardy did not tap. It was like he was looking over to his corner to ask what he was doing wrong. That definitely made me cringe more than once.

Can't wait for UFC 112.

[NCRadioMan]

UFC Fight Night 21: "Florian vs. Gomi" from the Bojangles Coliseum in Charlotte, N.C., has officially wrapped, which means that it’s time for those select fighters who went above and beyond in their respective fights to get a little extra grease for their efforts.

To the tune of $30,000 each.

The promotion dished out its standard post-fight monetary bonuses to four fighters on the card. And it should not surprise you which combatants are leaving the "Tar Heel" with a little extra green.

In addition to their base salaries, the UFC awarded lightweight brawlers Ross Pearson and Dennis Siver with "Fight of the Night" for their action-packed, three-round war that set the tone for the televised main card.

Roy "Big Country" Nelson kept the momentum rolling with a huge finish, literally, of the 6'11" Stefan Struve to earn "Knockout of the Night." It wasn't a clean KO, but it was certainly an impressive stoppage -- he was nearly a foot shorter than "Sky Scraper."

And last but not least, Kenny Florian earned "Submission of the Night" for dousing the flames of the "Fireball Kid" Takanori Gomi in the main event of the evening.

Before sinking in the textbook rear naked choke in round three, Florian frustrated and outboxed the former Pride FC champion for the entire fight. When the lightweight fight eventually hit the floor, it was literally over in a matter of seconds.

[NCRadioMan]

Wanderlei Silva and Yoshihiro Akiyama are set to meet in a middleweight bout at UFC 116 on July 3 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas.

The former Pride 205-pound champion released a video of himself signing his bout contract this week. Silva said he was excited to fight on his 34th birthday.

Talks of the former Pride Fighting Championships champion facing Akiyama, also a major draw on the Japanese MMA circuit, have been rampant since UFC 110 in February following Silva’s 185-pound debut victory against Michael Bisping in Sydney, Australia.

Silva announced his interest in fighting Akiyama after he was told the ethnic Korean had requested the Brazilian multiple times for his next assignment with the promotion.

Silva’s UFC 110 win stalled the fighter’s slide in the UFC since returning to the promotion in December 2007. Silva is 2-3 in his second UFC run, which includes defeats to Chuck Liddell, Quinton "Rampage" Jackson and Rich Franklin. The 33-year-old Las Vegas resident is 3-5 overall for the promotion.

The 34-year-old Akiyama earned a split decision against Alan Belcher in his Octagon debut at UFC 100 last July. A former K-1 Hero’s light heavyweight champion, Akiyama holds key victories over Melvin Manhoef and Denis Kang.

A bout between Silva and Akiyama would generate massive interest from Japan, where both fighters had fruitful careers.

[NCRadioMan]

Next two big shows:

Event: UFC 112
Location: Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates
Date: Saturday April 10, 2010

UFC Lightweight Title Bout
BJ Penn vs. Frank Edgar

UFC Middleweight Title Bout
Anderson Silva vs. Damien Maia

Matt Hughes vs. Renzo Gracie
Kendall Grove vs. Mark Munoz
Terry Etim vs. Rafael dos Anjos
Paul Taylor vs. John Gunderson
Matt Veach vs. Paul Kelly
Nick Osipczak vs. Rick Story

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The lineup for World Extreme Cagefighting's first pay-per-view-televised event is now set.

The event, which features title fights of featherweight champion Jose Aldo vs. Urijah Faber and lightweight title-holder Benson Henderson vs. Donald Cerrone, takes place April 24 at ARCO Arena in Sacramento, Calif.

With official confirmation of a featherweight Chan Sung Jung vs. Leonard Garcia bout, the fight card boasts a total of 11 fights, five of which are set for the televised main card.

The card costs $49.99.

"This is one of the deepest cards we've ever put together," WEC General Manager Harris stated. "From top to bottom, this event has the potential to produce some of the best fights of the year. And I've said all along that I think Aldo vs. Faber could be one of the best bouts of the decade. On April 24, fans are in for a real treat."

WEC officials expect the event to be one of the highest-attended shows in WEC history, if not the most highest attended. Tickets for the show are currently on sale and range from $40 to $185.

The full card includes:

MAIN CARD
Champ Jose Aldo vs. Urijah Faber (for featherweight title)
Champ Benson Henderson vs. Donald Cerrone (for lightweight title)
Mike Brown vs. Manny Gamburyan
Anthony Njokuani vs. Shane Roller
Antonio Banuelos vs. Scott Jorgensen

PRELIMINARY CARD (un-aired)
Leonard Garcia vs. Chan Sung Jung
Alex Karalexis vs. Anthony Pettis
Demetrious Johnson vs. Brad Pickett
Anthony Morrison vs. Mackens Semerzier
Takeya Mizugaki vs. Rani Yahya
Tyler Toner vs. Brandon Visher

[ActionAndy]

WEC cards are through Showtime right? Do i have to subscribe regularly to Showtime, or can i just ppv the card like a UFC event by tuning to the channel?

[Tripp]

WEC cards are through Showtime right? Do i have to subscribe regularly to Showtime, or can i just ppv the card like a UFC event by tuning to the channel?

WEC fights are normally on Versus. This is their first PPV event.

[NCRadioMan]

WEC fights are normally on Versus. This is their first PPV event.

Yep. StrikeForce is on Showtime. Dream and other Japanese cards are on HDNet.

[sodomanaz]

Its been making its way around the MMA world that the reason they tapped Rogers to face Overeem is because The Last Emperor will soon be parting ways with the company.

A few leaked rumors as well as Dana White's "odd" silence on this topic is leaving a few to believe we may finally see Fedor fight under the UFC banner.

Could it be?

There is a video floating around with Coker talking about the renegotiation between Strikeforce, M1, and CBS. It seems to be settled now. Werdum VS Fedor was the last I heard which supposedly will happen in June. Not exactly the most exciting match up...

Basically M1 was upset that they weren't plugged more during the Rogers VS Fedor fight. They also seem to want no part of Overeem... Werdum VS Fedor is about as :rolleyes: of a fight as you can get.

[goalie204]

next big event isnt ufc, it's k1, then there is bellator, THEN ufc112, then bellator again, then KOTC, then strikeforce, then bellator again, then WEC48

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/8327/img1004031.jpg

[NCRadioMan]

next big event isnt ufc, it's k1, then there is bellator, THEN ufc112, then bellator again, then KOTC, then strikeforce, then bellator again, then WEC48

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/8327/img1004031.jpg

Yeah, I forgot SF but there is hardly any to no K-1 talk here. I tried but nobody seemed to care. And I wouldn't consider Bellator, even though Roger Huerta is on the card, or KOTC "big".

I could have listed the M-1 Global Event tonight and the Pancrase and Shooto events on Sunday but I doubt anyone follows them. There are tons of shows in the next few weeks.

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UFC 115 stays in Vancouver afterall

It looks like UFC 115 will stay north of the border after all.

Just days after reports surfaced that the proposal to bring UFC 115 to Vancouver were falling through, a last minute deal appears to be struck.

The Canadian Press reported the finalization of the card in Vancouver, citing UFC president Dana White as the source who confirmed the show is finally a done deal.

The controversy about the show ending up in Vancouver stems mainly from an insurance issue that arose when province of British Columbia would not provide the city with "indemnity," which basically means the city could not be sued for anything that happened during the event.

The UFC is responsible for their own insurance, but Vancouver had to also provide their own policy and that's where the problems came in, but it appears that all issues have been resolved and the host city for the 2010 Winter Olympics will also get a UFC event after all.

Canada has been a huge market for mixed martial arts over the last few years, and the UFC has had success with the two shows they've already run in Montreal, with another show planned for this May.

Vancouver just recently voted to allow MMA to be legalized within city limits, and the UFC has proven to be a viable success for local businesses with the promotion bringing in millions in revenue for the host cities where they put on their events.

UFC 115 is expected to feature several top fights including an on again-off again third fight between Chuck Liddell and Tito Ortiz, but that fight is still under question as speculation swirls around it. The promotion has yet officially announce any fights for the Vancouver show.

[ActionAndy]

Yep. StrikeForce is on Showtime. Dream and other Japanese cards are on HDNet.

Ah, gotcha. Thanks.

[Steelergar]

Lets go Maia! Shock the world1

[SinPena!]

Lets go Maia! Shock the world1


Good one.............................HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

After the way Marquart knocked him out!

[Steelergar]

Anderson Silva school of martial arts: How to cut weight and run around the ring.

[Tw3nty]

Was Anderson Silva as bad as the press are representing him or is it over-hyped. did not see the whole fight. What do you guys think?

[J0eybb]

He sang, he danced, he played games.

I thought the BJ Penn fight should have went the other way.

[dannysguitar]

Yeah, he really made me think less of him. I was proud of Demian for taking those swings late in the fight. He tagged him pretty good a couple times.

[goalie204]

pretty bad UFC. Silva should be fired. Running around like that, it's b.s. he is NOT a good champion.

[yachties23]

He sang, he danced, he played games.

I thought the BJ Penn fight should have went the other way.


BJ did absolutely nothing to win that fight. Every round was close, but Edgar outworked him in every round, got the two takedowns, and BJs face took the brunt of the damage.

Had Penn listened to his corner between rounds 2 and 3 and tried to take Edgar down, I think he could have easily won the fight. Standing and boxing was a poor choice on his part.

[ActionAndy]

BJ did absolutely nothing to win that fight. Every round was close, but Edgar outworked him in every round, got the two takedowns, and BJs face took the brunt of the damage.

Had Penn listened to his corner between rounds 2 and 3 and tried to take Edgar down, I think he could have easily won the fight. Standing and boxing was a poor choice on his part.

I saw the fight as a draw on the whole, but round by round I guess you would have to give Edgar 3 of them. However for one of the judges to have scored it 50-45 is laugh-out-loud foolish. Penn clearly landed more strikes in the first and possibly second rounds. I'm a huge Penn fan but you are correct, he didn't correctly adjust his gameplan.

Have you guys seen the lines for the Strikeforce event? Mayhem Miller's at -2000. Two THOUSAND!

[yachties23]

I saw the fight as a draw on the whole, but round by round I guess you would have to give Edgar 3 of them. However for one of the judges to have scored it 50-45 is laugh-out-loud foolish. Penn clearly landed more strikes in the first and possibly second rounds. I'm a huge Penn fan but you are correct, he didn't correctly adjust his gameplan.

Have you guys seen the lines for the Strikeforce event? Mayhem Miller's at -2000. Two THOUSAND!

Watch the first round again and take a look at BJs face. BJ clearly did less damage in that round. I agree 50-45 was a bad scoring of the fight, but I could easily give 4 rounds to Edgar. Penn gassed, and thats why he didn't take the fight to the ground. I was really upset when he didn't defend his lightweight title for over 18 months. He had one defense against Sherk after beating Joe Daddy, and than no lightweight contender saw a title shot until Florian.

[Steelergar]

Holy Strikeforce I'm getting excited. I only see three events for the main event but all three should be a war.

[ActionAndy]

Nothing against Jake Shields but I hope we see another Hendo crow-hop right.

[Steelergar]

You guys think King Mo won that fight?

[chippewastud79]

You guys think King Mo won that fight?

Yes. He took him down repeatedly and controlled the pace of the fight. He took a lot of damage but he dictated the fight, got the takedowns and landed some decent shots, in my opinion, thats enough to win. :2

[ActionAndy]

Yes. He took him down repeatedly and controlled the pace of the fight. He took a lot of damage but he dictated the fight, got the takedowns and landed some decent shots, in my opinion, thats enough to win. :2


I agree that according to the american scoring system Mo won that fight. I was screaming at Mousasi to get up and work his boxing. But if there were no belts or purses on the line, which one of those guys would you rather have been at the end of the night? Mo looked like living death after the brawl...

I don't know if I have any bright suggestions for how to deal with that type of a situation, just hate seeing that sort of victory.

[Steelergar]

Yeah King Mo looked like a mutant from total recall after that fight. I guess I don't like the american scoring system. If you can't pass the guard or seriously damage someone who wants to fight from their back. What advantage do they have? Someone told me these guys are having a rematch in DREAM. I'd put my money on Mousasi.

[J0eybb]

You guys think King Mo won that fight?

Yes, He looked like crap, but he won taht fightm under any rules, other than the ugliest Mf'r rules.

[goalie204]

crappy card, hopefully ufc on saturday sucks less

[white_s2k]

Looking forward to the WEC card on Saturday. Henderson vs. Cerrone should be a great fight. :tu

[goalie204]

ben henderson owned the cowboy, not a bad card.

[goalie204]

good ufc last night. Daley fired for his sucker punch, and dana says kimbo is 'probably' out also. peaced.

[Steelergar]

The Strikeforce event on Saturday has alot of potential, I can't wait to see Roger Gracie. I just saw the DREAM May 29th show has some great matchups also with Nick Diaz vs Sakurai and Ralek Gracie vs the gracie hunter. As well as some good featherweight fights. Oh Yeah great fight Shogun!

[Steelergar]

If any of you still watch mma check out the DREAM 14 fights from last night. There's alot of finishes and the Kazushi vs Ralek Gracie is a great chess match fight with a exciting ending. Their on you tube.

[goalie204]

watched it, was good. It's showtime and ufc today

[forgop]

I'm reallly looking forward to watching Jackson/Evans tonight. I loved watching them on the Ultimate Fighter. I know the UFC fighters aren't buddies like the WWE, buy this is clearly one of those cases of 2 guys that clearly pretty much hate each other. I'm hoping Evans knocks Rampage out.

[kgoings]

I'm reallly looking forward to watching Jackson/Evans tonight. I loved watching them on the Ultimate Fighter. I know the UFC fighters aren't buddies like the WWE, buy this is clearly one of those cases of 2 guys that clearly pretty much hate each other. I'm hoping Evans knocks Rampage out.

:tpd: But not cause I dont like rampage...I like them both.

[forgop]

:tpd: But not cause I dont like rampage...I like them both.

I don't dislike Rampage either-I liked both of them on the show, but to me, it's just a matter of Rampage not being a team player when it it came to his fighters getting beat and just turning his back on them. That's bush league IMO.

[Santesyu]

iam watching stream dont knwo if thats against the rules or not...but pm I guess? but anyway CMON RAMPAGE!

[forgop]

I was hoping for a brawl between Rampage/Rashad, but Rashad did what he had to do to pull out the win.

[DonnieW]

I was hoping for a brawl between Rampage/Rashad, but Rashad did what he had to do to pull out the win.

That was one of the most disappointing fights I've ever seen.

[icehog3]

That was one of the most disappointing fights I've ever seen.

Glad I didn't spend any cash on it.

[kgoings]

Yea the main event was quite a let down, but the third round was kinda exciting.

I was really hoping Bisping got his a$$ kicked again...another let down :td

Brilz got royally screwed, couldnt believe Lil Nog got the decision :td

Diego got whooped, great fight for John Hathoway :tu

Melvin Guillard had a great knee to the body to finish Lowe :tu

[chippewastud79]

Brilz got royally screwed, couldnt believe Lil Nog got the decision :td



:tpd: That was a terrible decision. That kid fought a great fight on short notice against a competitor he admitted was far superior to any one he had ever faught. :rolleyes:


The 3rd round of the main event was a decent end to an otherwise awful fight. Failed takedown attempts and no landed shots, just a lot of leaning on each other. :td

[Steelergar]

I'm getting caught up on the bellator's that happened the past month and I noticed alot of Sengoku fighters signed with them this season. Its easy to say Eddie Alvarez and Dan Hornbuckle are among the best in the world at the respective weight class. Eddie Alvarez a known brawler has five straight submission victories since his loss to Shinya Aoki. Also did anybody see Aleksander Emelianenko's last 2 fights?

[Steelergar]

Paulo Filho won by TKO in the 1st round last night against heavyweight daniel gabriel in Brazil .

[Steelergar]

just watched some good fights from strikeforce los angeles, I like watching that special forces sniper they have at middleweight. Anybody know what channel bellator is on tomorrow night? Dan Hornbuckle is in the main event.

[Steelergar]

Hey guys some russian guy got triangled and arm barred at the same time, anybody see it?

[yachties23]

Hey guys some russian guy got triangled and arm barred at the same time, anybody see it?


Looked like some rookie mistake to me, I think the guy has potential though.


Straight up was shocked, especially when it looked like he escaped the first time. Big hit to his mark of invincibility, I could only imagine what the look on Dana's face was.

[goalie204]

funny, the guy that couldn't make a deal with the ufc, and lost to arlovski and dos santos in the ufc just beat the so called "best fighter in the world"

[Steelergar]

funny, the guy that couldn't make a deal with the ufc, and lost to arlovski and dos santos in the ufc just beat the so called "best fighter in the world"

Hey pal, anytime your got a BJJ blackbelt and a Abu Dahbi caliber grappler at that, they have the tools to beat anybody. Dos Santos is the next UFC heavyweight champ as soon as they give him the title shot.

[goalie204]

hey pal...ok?

[ActionAndy]

Hey pal, anytime your got a BJJ blackbelt and a Abu Dahbi caliber grappler at that, they have the tools to beat anybody. Dos Santos is the next UFC heavyweight champ as soon as they give him the title shot.

I'm glad I'm not alone on the Dos Santos train.

And goalie you can't refer to Fedor as the "so-called" best fighter in the world until you can name me another fighter with a thirty fight win streak.

[goalie204]

I'm glad I'm not alone on the Dos Santos train.

And goalie you can't refer to Fedor as the "so-called" best fighter in the world until you can name me another fighter with a thirty fight win streak.

That's like saying brittney spears or ke$ha are the best singers because they're so talented.

Look at a lot of fedors last wins..brett rogers..andrei arlovski...tim sylvia...matt lindland...mark coleman...crocop... he fought a few really good fighters and won, but most of his wins have been over cans. Sorry, but i've always said and maintain, fedor is overrated.

[wayner123]

That's like saying brittney spears or ke$ha are the best singers because they're so talented.

Look at a lot of fedors last wins..brett rogers..andrei arlovski...tim sylvia...matt lindland...mark coleman...crocop... he fought a few really good fighters and won, but most of his wins have been over cans. Sorry, but i've always said and maintain, fedor is overrated.

So which Champion or top MMA person, is not overrated in your opinion?

[ActionAndy]

The records of some of Fedor's opponents (at the time he fought them):

Cro-Cop was 16-2-2
Nog was 24-2-1
Coleman was 13-5 (first time)
Sylvia was 24-4
Arlovski was 15-5
Fujita was 9-2
Lindland 19-4

What a bunch of bums!

[goalie204]

From a post, which i kind of agree with:

Ricardo Arona by decision--->fedor was on top of him most of the match. He won the decision because Fedor was on top of him..SHOULDA been a DRAW!!


Renato BABALU Sobral by decision----->again, fedor was on top of babalu, that is how he won the decision.

Heath Herring by Cut--->a win on a cut really doesn't count as a real MMA win.

Antonio Rodgrigo Nogueira by decision--->all fedor did was stay on top of nog and kill the clock.

Kazayuki Fujita by choke---->I gotta admit that fedor won this match fair and square. However, Fujita isn't a top 10 heavyweight at the time.

mark coleman by armbar--->im pretty sure, defeating a 41 year old man counts....

Antonio Rodgrigo Nogueaira 2 by decision--->fedor won because he stayed on top of NOG. Nog and fedor's standup game were similar.

Mirko Filipinovic By decision--->Fedor knows he cannot outstrike Mirko (at the time) , so he had to tackle him to the ground and Kill some clock. The refs like MMA fighters that stay on top, therefore fedor won.


Summary?!!

Fedor has beaten the top MMA fighters in Pride; however, he won through DECISION.

The only MMA fighters that wasn't cans that he defeated was-->a 41 year old mark coleman, kevin randleman, a non top 10 heavyweight kazayuki Fujita, and a 41 year old don fry.

EVERY other NON can MMA match, fedor WOn through decision.

Fedor--->overrated. He wins against top heavyweights through decision.. WHILE he Beat up on CANS, claiming he is the best.

Fedor is overrated. NUFF SAID.... Fedor is a DECISION fighter.

[wayner123]

So which Champion or top MMA person, is not overrated in your opinion?

Ahem :confused::confused:

[ActionAndy]

So GSP isn't a real champ either? I can see your point that he's not always finishing fights--there is a hyped mystique around the guy that he could kill grizzly bears with eye lasers and all that, but c'mon. At the time he fought them Sylvia and Arlovski were NOT cans and he finished both of them. He finished Sylvia so quick you could watch the fight twice before the average Billy Mays commercial ends.

[Starscream]

Any word on Batista signing with Strikeforce yet?

[goalie204]

i never said he wasn't a real champ, so don't put words in my mouth, i just said fedor is overrated, and sylvia was pretty much always a can :p

[Steelergar]

This is a dead horse I'm really sick of hearing about it but I laughed when you called Fedor a decision fighter. Thats the 1st time I heard that, he has 1 decision win in the last 5 years. Most fighters don't even last 5 years in the buisness. Fedor has a worldwide reputation to go for the kill. He willingly risk himself to finish people and doesn't hesitate to jump in a world class bjj guard. Andrson the punk Silva would have run away and danced around the ring like he did against Maia. Silva and Chael Sonnen are decision fighters.

[goalie204]

If you'd have actually read the first thing i said in that post, it said "from a post" meaning it was a copy/paste from another place. I never said any of those things, just that i agreed with some of it.

[wayner123]

If you'd have actually read the first thing i said in that post, it said "from a post" meaning it was a copy/paste from another place. I never said any of those things, just that i agreed with some of it.

Ok, third time is a charm.....

Which Champion or top MMA person, is not overrated in your opinion?

[goalie204]

If i say i think Fedor is overrated, why does it matter who (and if) i think someone else is not overrated? What does one thing have to do with another? If i talk about apples and how i don't like macintosh ones, are you going to ask me about oranges? gg

[wayner123]

If i say i think Fedor is overrated, why does it matter who (and if) i think someone else is not overrated? What does one thing have to do with another? If i talk about apples and how i don't like macintosh ones, are you going to ask me about oranges? gg

It's a simple question. This is a MMA thread. I would like to know which Champion or top MMA person, is not overrated in your opinion?

If you don't want to answer it, that's fine.

[goalie204]

and again, what i think about other fighters has nothing to do with what i think about fedor.

[wayner123]

and again, what i think about other fighters has nothing to do with what i think about fedor.

Ok.... I never said it did. I asked a simple question.

[goalie204]

was surprised to see lesnar submit carwin, but the guy can take a beating, i figured in round 1 it would have been over for sure. Overall it was a great card

[J0eybb]

was surprised to see lesnar submit carwin, but the guy can take a beating, i figured in round 1 it would have been over for sure. Overall it was a great card

It easily could have been stopped in the first round, and if it wasn't a championship match it would have.

I'd like to see them do it again. Actually I don't think Lesnar will win his next match.

[yachties23]

It easily could have been stopped in the first round, and if it wasn't a championship match it would have.

I'd like to see them do it again. Actually I don't think Lesnar will win his next match.

I actually agree, but I do think if Dos Santos gets a chance, he will knock out Brock. I give the big guy credit, he took a whooping in the 1st, and even though the fight could have been easily stopped, he showed great heart.

Great card overall. Great to see Leben win, Poor Akiyama had a can in Wandy all lined up, and gets fed to a buzz saw in the crippler. Bonner still has something left, Chris Lytle always is impressive.

[LasciviousXXX]

Story BloodyElbow just ran.... interesting



"Will Dana White Really Cut Anderson Silva If He Plays Around Against Chael Sonnen at UFC 117?


Kevin Iole documents the atrocities that have been Anderson Silva's recent middleweight title defenses:

Following UFC 90, which featured little action in the first two rounds before Cote had to withdraw after a third-round knee injury, White came to the post-fight news conference and said, "I was sitting there saying, ‘What the [expletive] is going on?' " He also said, "I was sitting there going, ‘No, this isn't happening,' " and, "If you don't know him and you showed up for the first time, you'd [think] that guy was goofing around. He was acting arrogant and cocky and trying to play with [Cote] like he was a little kid."

It was more of the same at UFC 97, when Silva declined to follow Leites, a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt, to the mat and turn a fight into a grappling match, leading to a dull five-round fight. Silva didn't understand why he was being criticized and said, "Everything I trained to do, I did."
...

But Silva's performances at UFC 90 and UFC 97 were just kind of a cruel warm-up act to the comedy skit that went on during his title defense against Maia, the first UFC card in the Middle East and the first with the White and Fertitta's new partners, Abu Dhabi-based Flash Entertainment, in place.

Iole also says that had Anderson put on the kind of performances against Cote, Leites and Maia that he did against Rich Franklin (2x), Dan Henderson and Nate Marquardt that he'd likely have been rewarded with a mega-fight against welterweight champion Georges St Pierre.

Instead, Silva is being punished by having to beat Chael Sonnen and Vitor Belfort in conconsecutive MW title defenses before getting any more fights outside his division. That's IF Dana White approves of his performances in the two fights.

Iole continues:

But if there is a repeat, the pressure will shift from Silva to White. White vowed after UFC 112 to cut Silva should he fight as he did that night ever again.

If Silva prances his way to an unsatisfying win, the burden will shift to White to back up his tough talk and ax the man he's touted for years as the best fighter in the world.

That would be far more interesting to watch than any of Silva's last three title defenses have been.

That will indeed be very interesting and could well be a critical fork in the road for Dana White, the UFC and MMA as a sport. If the precedent is established that simply winning is not enough to stay in the UFC, but rather entertaining is the preeminent virtue, White will have indeed set the UFC on a course away from sport and towards sport-entertainment.

On the other hand, if Anderson Silva once again makes a mockery of his opponent and the fight and Dana does not cut him, Dana will look like he backed down in the face of a recalcitrant but supremely talented athlete."

[ActionAndy]

FIREBALL KID!

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t169/Inspectorchao/KOs/kogomi.gif

[yachties23]

FIREBALL KID!

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t169/Inspectorchao/KOs/kogomi.gif

Did you see his performance against kenny? One knockout isn't going to make up for that.

Jon Jones, however is legit...

[chenvt]

Good, because UFC has already lost one customer on any fight involving Anderson Silva until this crap changes. I truely think that Anderson Silva is pound for pound the best fighter in the world. But after that Maia fight, I've never felt more pissed about spending $60. That and his "I won't fight Machida" bs.

I don't think Sonnen has a chance, but I'd be ecstatic if he pulled off a win against Silva. Then maybe Silva would actually put up a fight again.

Story BloodyElbow just ran.... interesting



"Will Dana White Really Cut Anderson Silva If He Plays Around Against Chael Sonnen at UFC 117?


Kevin Iole documents the atrocities that have been Anderson Silva's recent middleweight title defenses:

Following UFC 90, which featured little action in the first two rounds before Cote had to withdraw after a third-round knee injury, White came to the post-fight news conference and said, "I was sitting there saying, ‘What the [expletive] is going on?' " He also said, "I was sitting there going, ‘No, this isn't happening,' " and, "If you don't know him and you showed up for the first time, you'd [think] that guy was goofing around. He was acting arrogant and cocky and trying to play with [Cote] like he was a little kid."

It was more of the same at UFC 97, when Silva declined to follow Leites, a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt, to the mat and turn a fight into a grappling match, leading to a dull five-round fight. Silva didn't understand why he was being criticized and said, "Everything I trained to do, I did."
...

But Silva's performances at UFC 90 and UFC 97 were just kind of a cruel warm-up act to the comedy skit that went on during his title defense against Maia, the first UFC card in the Middle East and the first with the White and Fertitta's new partners, Abu Dhabi-based Flash Entertainment, in place.

Iole also says that had Anderson put on the kind of performances against Cote, Leites and Maia that he did against Rich Franklin (2x), Dan Henderson and Nate Marquardt that he'd likely have been rewarded with a mega-fight against welterweight champion Georges St Pierre.

Instead, Silva is being punished by having to beat Chael Sonnen and Vitor Belfort in conconsecutive MW title defenses before getting any more fights outside his division. That's IF Dana White approves of his performances in the two fights.

Iole continues:

But if there is a repeat, the pressure will shift from Silva to White. White vowed after UFC 112 to cut Silva should he fight as he did that night ever again.

If Silva prances his way to an unsatisfying win, the burden will shift to White to back up his tough talk and ax the man he's touted for years as the best fighter in the world.

That would be far more interesting to watch than any of Silva's last three title defenses have been.

That will indeed be very interesting and could well be a critical fork in the road for Dana White, the UFC and MMA as a sport. If the precedent is established that simply winning is not enough to stay in the UFC, but rather entertaining is the preeminent virtue, White will have indeed set the UFC on a course away from sport and towards sport-entertainment.

On the other hand, if Anderson Silva once again makes a mockery of his opponent and the fight and Dana does not cut him, Dana will look like he backed down in the face of a recalcitrant but supremely talented athlete."

[goalie204]

i think sonnen has a chance.

[ActionAndy]

Sonnen does have a chance. Not a great one, but it exists (and I'm not just talking about the ever present unpredictability of the Puncher's Chance). He can and will get this fight to the ground at least once.

The problem is Sonnen's phenomenal top control has never been paired with vicious ground and pound. He's got pillowy fists for some reason--you'd expect a guy that strong to summon some beast elbows but he either can't or won't. Another problem is Silva's long, lanky limbs. He can snap a triangle up in his sleep, and Sonnen's shown to be vulnerable to subs from the bottom. I'm ignoring Silva's rear naked choke victory against Henderson because I can't imagine the circumstance where Anderson will actually be taking Sonnen's back.

The only person with better wrestling (in MMA) than Sonnen is King Mo and we saw that despite furious effort from the bottom, someone as talented as Mousasi still had trouble. I think it's fair to draw the parallel between the two fights, though one could easily argue that Anderson is more talented on the ground than Mousasi.

[chenvt]

Silva got training from Steven Seagal.. it's all over unless Sonnen was smart and got training from Chuck Norris

Sonnen does have a chance. Not a great one, but it exists (and I'm not just talking about the ever present unpredictability of the Puncher's Chance). He can and will get this fight to the ground at least once.

The problem is Sonnen's phenomenal top control has never been paired with vicious ground and pound. He's got pillowy fists for some reason--you'd expect a guy that strong to summon some beast elbows but he either can't or won't. Another problem is Silva's long, lanky limbs. He can snap a triangle up in his sleep, and Sonnen's shown to be vulnerable to subs from the bottom. I'm ignoring Silva's rear naked choke victory against Henderson because I can't imagine the circumstance where Anderson will actually be taking Sonnen's back.

The only person with better wrestling (in MMA) than Sonnen is King Mo and we saw that despite furious effort from the bottom, someone as talented as Mousasi still had trouble. I think it's fair to draw the parallel between the two fights, though one could easily argue that Anderson is more talented on the ground than Mousasi.

[Steelergar]

I never knew Sonnen was such a elite wrestler. Demian Maia took him down and made it look easy. Any thing can happen in MMA which is why I love watching it. But I expect Silva to make an example of this clown. I didn't like his last fight against Maia but Silva is the most capable person in MMA to absolutely destroy and embarrass people. His fight against forrest was classic. I've been thinking maybee the UFC has not had good competition for him except Hendo, Maybee Belfort or Shields can give him a run. I would and I bet alot of brazilians would love to see him fight Paulo Filho. Also anybody see Roger Huerta knock out a guy who punched a girl outside a club in Austin Texas?

[forgop]

All I can say about Anderson Silva is wow-from getting your rear kicked for 23 minutes to pull it out like that is amazing. How you pummel someone for that long and being 2 minutes from getting the belt, how you even put yourself in position to getting submitted is beyond me.

[Steelergar]

What a fight, one of the best ever. I don't ever want to hear Dana say a negative comment about Silva again. Eventhough he can be cocky at times he is a champion with class.

[Steelergar]

team black house is dominating mma. its pretty incredible they have something like 6 current titleholders in their gym if jorge santiago wins later tonight.

[Steelergar]

Does anybody on here watch mma anymore? Is there another thread I don't know about? I watched shark fights 13 tonight. Don Frye and Bas Rutten made for a funny commentary team. My favorite was on the replay of Houston Alexander finishing Sokudju with Bas singing the Hey Ho song from snow white and the seven drawfs.

[LasciviousXXX]

Yeah it seems that this thread has definitely died down lately. Went to a local show this weekend. Rage in the Cage. Some good fights and some great submissions. Ryan Bader was there so I got to meet him which was pretty nice. The last event we went to I met Ben Henderson. Great local MMA scene here in Phoenix.

[ActionAndy]

Go here (http://mmalinker.com/forum/top-20-don-frye-com-t71296.html) for a little list of memorable Don Frye soundbytes from that broadcast.

[Steelergar]

Go here (http://mmalinker.com/forum/top-20-don-frye-com-t71296.html) for a little list of memorable Don Frye soundbytes from that broadcast.

thats some great stuff. I dont even care who shark fights has on the card as long as bas and frye are doing commentary, its entertaining.

[ActionAndy]

AUAGHHHHHHHHHHH JUST DO IT ALREADY GOD STRIKE ME DEAD (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/9/17/1694861/mirko-cro-cop-filipovic-suffers)

OK. Nevermind. This turned out to be false information, Dana White tweeted to confirm that Cro Cop's healthy. Sorry to myself for almost suffering an embolism, and sorry God for blaming you.

(just noticed, this is my 666th post...)

[Steelergar]

chael sonnen supposedly failed his post fight drug test. Does he deserve a rematch?

[ActionAndy]

chael sonnen supposedly failed his post fight drug test. Does he deserve a rematch?

Remember almost anything can trip these tests. Marquardt says Sonnen was probably on flu medication (sudafed or something similar). I doubt he was juicing.

[yachties23]

Watched TuF last night.

Maybe its me, but I've always had a dislike for GSP, and even though UFC paints him as a hero and Kos as the heel, I've always liked Josh. Dude always takes whatever fight you throw at him, and always puts on a show, unlike the champ, who is a take down, and never finish you fighter.

I know who I'll be rooting for come that fight.

[Steelergar]

How's TUF this season? Is it entertaining? I gotta check the fighters backgrounds out. Anybody else looking foward to DREAM 16 tomorrow (or very early sat morning). I love watching these live but its a pain in the ace to stay up tha late.

[yachties23]

How's TUF this season? Is it entertaining? I gotta check the fighters backgrounds out. Anybody else looking foward to DREAM 16 tomorrow (or very early sat morning). I love watching these live but its a pain in the ace to stay up tha late.

I missed the first episode, but the fight last night was entertaining, I think its worth the watch with Kos and GSP as coaches.

[goalie204]

Watched TuF last night.

Maybe its me, but I've always had a dislike for GSP, and even though UFC paints him as a hero and Kos as the heel, I've always liked Josh. Dude always takes whatever fight you throw at him, and always puts on a show, unlike the champ, who is a take down, and never finish you fighter.

I know who I'll be rooting for come that fight.

I like GSP and Koscheck both.

GSP has 20 wins: 8 tkos, 5, subs, 7 decisions (35%)
Koscheck has 15 wins: 4 tkos, 5 subs, 6 decisions (40%)

They're both entertaining fighters, but with somewhat similar stats, i don't know how you can say "unlike the champ who is a take down and never finish you fighter" - unless you just happen to only watch fights that go the distance..

[LasciviousXXX]

I won't be able to watch this weekend's UFC event as the wife and I will be in the White Mountains in AZ. Still though, I've been reflecting on the matchup of Mir vs CroCop and why I feel so conflicted about it. Then I read this (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/9/24/1707875/remembering-mirko-cro-cop-the-pride-legend-will-never-fade) article on Bloody Elbow and it totally clicked for me. Even though I am pulling for CroCop to win I subconsciously realize that those days are over. The fierce tenacity with which he used to fight is long-since gone, replaced now by the hesitant almost timid nature of the aging fighter.

Made me sad to read that article, but at the same time it made me realize that deep down, I know he doesn't have it anymore.

[yachties23]

I too am sad to see Cro Cop fall to the level of has-been. Thing is, Mir isn't too far behind.

One thing I've noticed is that once a fighter suffers big KO loss their career usually takes a drastic turn downwards. Fighters get hesitant, afraid to be caught again, instead of what they had done their entire career.

Mirko is the prime example. He has been a shell of himself since the Gonzaga fight. Chuck (although age plays a big role) has gone from being the man to deliver a KO at will to being the guy who takes them from almost out of the blue.

MMA fighters age ever so quickly, and not so gracefully.

[Steelergar]

I too am sad to see Cro Cop fall to the level of has-been. Thing is, Mir isn't too far behind.

One thing I've noticed is that once a fighter suffers big KO loss their career usually takes a drastic turn downwards. Fighters get hesitant, afraid to be caught again, instead of what they had done their entire career.

Mirko is the prime example. He has been a shell of himself since the Gonzaga fight. Chuck (although age plays a big role) has gone from being the man to deliver a KO at will to being the guy who takes them from almost out of the blue.

MMA fighters age ever so quickly, and not so gracefully.

yeah sakauraba didn't look like he did 10 years ago ealier this morning. It really makes you respect Randy Couture and what he has done.

[yachties23]

yeah sakauraba didn't look like he did 10 years ago ealier this morning. It really makes you respect Randy Couture and what he has done.

Eh Couture is another one. If you think about it, his last big win vs a quality (and even that is subjective) opponent was against Vera, where personally I thought he lost. His game is beyond boring. Holding guys against the cage and dirty boxing isn't really MMA, especially when the refs allow it to continue for way longer than it should with him.

[ActionAndy]

Ugh....why?

[Steelergar]

Ah, that last fight made me tired I'm going to bed.

[J0eybb]

Fans Booing gillard vs. stephens? WTF. These two slugged it out the entire fight. Also how'd Gillard win the third round in anyones eyes?

[J0eybb]

Dunham Sherk, Tough fight, these two must have said to each other "let's just throw hands for 15 minutes".

ps. watching the fights now, and giving my recaps...

[goalie204]

Most fans are uneducated drunk retards. Booing 2 guys that fought their hearts out is ridiculous. Even worse is booing when the judges make a bad decision. It's not the fighters fault if the judges picked the wrong guy so why boo him? Ignoramuses

[LasciviousXXX]

This (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/9/28/1717353/fedor-mulling-retirement-frustrated-with-overeem) article makes me sad :(

War Fedor!!!!

[LasciviousXXX]

It looks like all of our hard-core MMA guys have dropped out of this thread lately. UFC 120 was alright. Great knockout of Hardy. Didn't see that one coming. The Bisping/Akiyama fight was decent but I think they showed each other too much respect. But the fact that buffer announced him as "Sexy-yama" made me smile. Damn you Michael Schiavello LOL. And the Cheick Kongo fight just leads me to believe that the guy is an incredible douche-bag when it comes to throwing below the belt knees. That fight was yawn-inspiring.

Anybody got any predictions for this weekend's event?

[waffle]

Here's the card if anyone hasn't checked it out:

UFC Heavyweight Championship
Brock Lesnar (No. 1 HW) vs. Cain Velasquez (No. 4 HW)

Jake Shields (No. 3 MW, No. 8 PFP) vs. Martin Kampmann (No. 6 WW)
Paulo Thiago (No. 7 WW) vs. Diego Sanchez
Tito Ortiz vs. Matt Hamill
Brendan Schaub vs. Gabriel Gonzaga
Court McGee vs. Ryan Jensen
Patrick Cote vs. Tom Lawlor
Michael Guymon vs. Daniel Roberts
Sam Stout vs. Paul Taylor
Gilbert Yvel vs. Jon Madsen
Dongi Yang vs. Chris Camozzi

Personally I hope Hamil thumps the **** out of Tito... if for no other reason than Hamil is like the heartwarming story and Tito is well, Tito...

[wayner123]

UFC Heavyweight Championship
Brock Lesnar (No. 1 HW) vs. Cain Velasquez (No. 4 HW) - Lesnar

Jake Shields (No. 3 MW, No. 8 PFP) vs. Martin Kampmann (No. 6 WW) - Shields
Paulo Thiago (No. 7 WW) vs. Diego Sanchez - Thiago
Tito Ortiz vs. Matt Hamill - Hamill
Brendan Schaub vs. Gabriel Gonzaga - Draw
Court McGee vs. Ryan Jensen - Jensen

The rest I have not seen fight enough to know enough to call.

[yachties23]

I'm thinking the Stout/Taylor fight is going to be awesome. Love to watch both of those guys.

I'm not really sure what to expect from Brock/Cain. I'd easily chalk it up and go with Brock, but Cain is definitely a capable opponent.

Shields V Kampmann could be another weird one. I personally dislike Kampmann, I feel that the UFC has already handed him a victory over a new incoming champion from another promotion (Condit clearly beat him) If it stays close I can easily see another job on Shields.

I think this could be a solid top to bottom card. First one I will be ordering in a few months.

[goalie204]

Upcoming MMA:

10-21 - Bellator 33
10-22 - Strikeforce challengers 11
10-23 - Turku Fight 2
10-23 - UFC 121
10-24 - DEEP 50th Impact
10-28 - Bellator 34
10-29 - Superior Challenge 6
10-29 - M1 Challenge
10-30 - Sengoku Raiden Championship 15
11-13 - UFC 122
11-20 - UFC 123
12-03 - XFC XII
12-04 - The Ultimate Fighter 12 Finale
12-11 - K-1 World GP 2010 Finals
12-11 - UFC 124
01-01 - UFC 125

[Steelergar]

Yeah UFC 121 looks pretty good. Don't forget about Bellator thusday, Eddie Alvarez is on that card. EA MMA came out today too. The only place you can see Fedor vs Couture.

[LasciviousXXX]

I played the demo awhile back. It was meh at best for me. The action was very slow and missing the "excitement" factor of an actual fight. While it was more technical than the UFC game (especially the submission x-rays) it was just a little bland for me. I'll pass on the game.

[J0eybb]

Upcoming MMA:

10-21 - Bellator 33
10-22 - Strikeforce challengers 11
10-23 - Turku Fight 2
10-23 - UFC 121
10-24 - DEEP 50th Impact
10-28 - Bellator 34
10-29 - Superior Challenge 6
10-29 - M1 Challenge
10-30 - Sengoku Raiden Championship 15
11-13 - UFC 122
11-20 - UFC 123
12-03 - XFC XII
12-04 - The Ultimate Fighter 12 Finale
12-11 - K-1 World GP 2010 Finals
12-11 - UFC 124
01-01 - UFC 125

Thiss will keep ya busy for a while.

[Steelergar]

I played the demo awhile back. It was meh at best for me. The action was very slow and missing the "excitement" factor of an actual fight. While it was more technical than the UFC game (especially the submission x-rays) it was just a little bland for me. I'll pass on the game.

maybee they cleaned it up because its getting better reviews than undisputed. I bought the first undisputed and loved it at 1st until THQ kept making patches that screwed up the online play. I doubt ea will havethat problem.

[wayner123]

Upcoming MMA:

10-21 - Bellator 33
10-22 - Strikeforce challengers 11
10-23 - Turku Fight 2
10-23 - UFC 121
10-24 - DEEP 50th Impact
10-28 - Bellator 34
10-29 - Superior Challenge 6
10-29 - M1 Challenge
10-30 - Sengoku Raiden Championship 15
11-13 - UFC 122
11-20 - UFC 123
12-03 - XFC XII
12-04 - The Ultimate Fighter 12 Finale
12-11 - K-1 World GP 2010 Finals
12-11 - UFC 124
01-01 - UFC 125


Is K-1 considered MMA??

[goalie204]

technically speaking, probably not, since mma is mixed martial arts, and kickboxing is just 1 discipline of said mma. Although k-1 does have mma events, the grand prix isn't one of them, but it's still awesome to watch and talk about .:)

[Steelergar]

Yeah it is fun to watch because some of those guys cross over to mma. I saw Overeem devestate his oponent in the 1st round of the grand prix.

[yachties23]

A few thoughts about last nights fight:

Brock was in more trouble against Carwin, but for some reason that fight wasn't stopped.

Lesnar needs to start training with a top notch team. He should be a dominant wrestler, and just isn't.

Dana looked absolutely pissed off putting the belt around Cain's waist, so I'd expect Brock back in a title match sooner than later.

[goalie204]

A few thoughts about last nights fight:

Brock was in more trouble against Carwin, but for some reason that fight wasn't stopped.
.

... i didn't think so...from what i remember

[the nub]

... i didn't think so...from what i remember

I agree. Carwin had full mount but his shots weren't getting through. Carwin also didn't cut Brock.

[forgop]

Maybe it's just me, but I didn't see anything substantial that seemed like Lesnar should have been badly hurt. The guy's cardio is horrible and once he's challenged at all, he loses it completely and fights back like a girl.

[yachties23]

I agree. Carwin had full mount but his shots weren't getting through. Carwin also didn't cut Brock.

Yeah, he didn't cut him, but he was in almost the same position. Taking hammer fists and not making any attempt to get out of it.

[Steelergar]

Brock's major problem is his stand up defense. He goes into panick mode when he gets hit. And I don't think his cardio is one his strengths.

[LockOut]

Brock's major problem is his stand up defense. He goes into panick mode when he gets hit. And I don't think his cardio is one his strengths.

hes so big cardio is always going to be one of his weaknesses. He just has simply too much muscle to pump blood too for an extended period.

[LasciviousXXX]

Brock's major problem is his stand up defense. He goes into panick mode when he gets hit. And I don't think his cardio is one his strengths.

Agreed! We even saw it in his fight with Couture when he was caught a few times with some stiff jabs. Hell if Couture's dirty boxing almost did him in, what did he expect was going to happen against Velasquez?

[Steelergar]

Ricardo Arona is in talks to make his UFC debut before the end of the year. He is only 32, and should be healthy since he's only had 1 fight in the last 3 years. His last fight in Sep 09 was at LH.

[LasciviousXXX]

Anybody watching the M-1 Challenge 21 right now? Its streaming live from St. Petersburg :tu

:bx

[LasciviousXXX]

Ok, I'm not terribly familiar with Russia's Team Legion... but after watching this event it made me go look up videos of Magomed Shikshabekov. This guy has heart!

He came out strong and aggressive against a tough competitor. He ended up catching a beating for 2 solid rounds. However, the entire time he kept his aggression up, worked diligently from the bottom and threw just as many strikes as he ate. Not to mention the multitude of submissions he attempted. He came back in the third but ended up losing the decision when it went to the judges. Still though, the guy looked great and never stopped pressing the action.

I'll be watching more of him from now on.

[tx_tuff]

UFC and WEC Merg! http://www.mma-hive.com/mma-videos/ufc/6008-dana-white-announces-ufc-wec-merger-video.html

[BORIStheBLADE]

UFC and WEC Merg! http://www.mma-hive.com/mma-videos/ufc/6008-dana-white-announces-ufc-wec-merger-video.html

Holy crap this is going to bring some interesting fights into UFC!

[Steelergar]

Anybody watching the M-1 Challenge 21 right now? Its streaming live from St. Petersburg :tu

:bx

I never knew about it. I'm going to start paying more attention to M1. Are they onHD Net?

[docdoty]

I just found this thread. I love MMA i'll keep up with this one. I agree Lesnar needs to work on his skills as a fighter. Or he needs to go back to fake wrestling.

[LasciviousXXX]

Bloodyelbow did an article on Brock Lesnar (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/11/3/1791108/brock-the-bully-former-champion-brock-lesnar-looks-for-easier-prey) which brought on the chuckles. Someone doesn't think very highly of him :lr

[wayner123]

So who else is looking forward to Hughes crushing Penn this weekend?

[ActionAndy]

So who else is looking forward to Hughes crushing Penn this weekend?

Let's place a bet on it cuz I'm seeing it the other way :)

But to be serious: if penn shows up at 163-165 like he's saying, he's gonna crush. if he shows up at 170 he'll probably be a bit sluggish like we saw against GSP (not that looking bad against GSP is a crime, it's fricken GSP). I don't think Hughes has a quick enough shot anymore to really get BJ down, let alone hold him there. I also don't think his footwork is spry enough to keep BJ guessing, which is how Edgar defeated him.

Either way, really looking forward to the fight.

[goalie204]

ufc tonight

[Ken]

Brock's major problem is his stand up defense. He goes into panick mode when he gets hit. And I don't think his cardio is one his strengths.
That guy has a lot to offer and potential coming out his ears, but if noone in his gym can step up and punch him like he needs it he'll never get back on top.

Now who's ready to see GSP pound the dogshit out of Koscheck?

[goalie204]

Now who's ready to see GSP pound the dogshit out of Koscheck?

i am very ready - and very looking forward to this

[LasciviousXXX]

Man this thread is always dead. Entertaining fights last weekend on the TUF finale and Strikeforce's offering.

GSP vs Koscheck this weekend. Should be fun to watch. Other fights include:
Sean McCorkle vs Stefan Struve
Jim Miller vs Charles Oliveira
Mac Danzig vs Joe Stevenson
Thiago Alves vs John Howard
Dustin Hazlett vs Mark Bocek

I don't know the rest of the fighters enough to weigh in but those above are my picks for the night. :tu

[J0eybb]

Just watched Lawler Linland fight..... What a KNOCKOUT!

[J0eybb]

I spoke too soon. Daly/SMith Knockout was AWESOME.

[BORIStheBLADE]

Man this thread is always dead. Entertaining fights last weekend on the TUF finale and Strikeforce's offering.

GSP vs Koscheck this weekend. Should be fun to watch. Other fights include:
Sean McCorkle vs Stefan Struve
Jim Miller vs Charles Oliveira
Mac Danzig vs Joe Stevenson
Thiago Alves vs John Howard
Dustin Hazlett vs Mark Bocek

I don't know the rest of the fighters enough to weigh in but those above are my picks for the night. :tu


The card for saturdays UFC fight looks like it might be a boring night, but I have been wrong with past events.

I don't think Hazlett has done well his last two fights hopefully he can get the W.

Whats your take on the GSP/Koscheck fight? I'm thinking GSP with a submission by the third round.

[goalie204]

great event imo, and great main event. DOMINATION.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e352/tsuifuku/fitched.jpg

[Don Fernando]

no love for K1? The Dutch are doing good!

[Bill86]

This is why I quit watching MMA.

http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-124-St-Pierre-vs-Koscheck-2-14504

6 decisions and a draw :td. I cannot believe they give koscheck a title shot. He's a horrible fighter. Too many decisions in the UFC. I liked pride much better, there wasn't that unnecessary 3 minutes of sitting on someone before they stood them up. I really think this is why Cro Cop didn't do well. UFC is geared much more towards the wrestler and getting boring decisions.

/rant

[goalie204]

no love for K1? The Dutch are doing good!

K1 rules :)

This is why I quit watching MMA.

6 decisions and a draw :td. I cannot believe they give koscheck a title shot. He's a horrible fighter. Too many decisions in the UFC. I liked pride much better, there wasn't that unnecessary 3 minutes of sitting on someone before they stood them up. I really think this is why Cro Cop didn't do well. UFC is geared much more towards the wrestler and getting boring decisions.

/rant

If you quit watching MMA because you want only knockouts and subs, i guess it's good that you quit. I also can't believe you're saying Koscheck is horrible, that's just funny, the guy is a fantastic fighter, he got outclassed in a major way by a superior fighter. It's a pretty narrow minded perspective to only enjoy a fight if it ends in a sub or tko. There were some FANTASTIC fights last night from those decisions. I agree that a sub or a tko are exciting, but that doesn't mean a decision is boring, it's not like it was a frankie edgar fight lol. Many of those decisions were great fights! Expand your horizons.

[BORIStheBLADE]

Ya I'm not into seeing so many decision fights in a night, but we know GSP can finish fights. I think he just wanted to beat up Josh.

I was very surprised to see Dustin Hazlett get submitted!

[jonumberone]

I agree with Bill in that UFC Fighters are fighting like they have alot more money in the bank.
That Doesn't mean that decisions are boring.
The biggest problem facing UFC in regards to decisions has been the judges scoring of recent bouts.
The leonard Garcia vs Nam Phan fight from the Ultimate fighter finale and the Riddle vs Peirson fight this past weekend reminded me of why I stopped watching boxing.
I agree Riddle lost his fight, but not by a 30-27 unanimous decision.
I think bias is being shown to the fighters UFC wants to showcase.
Take the Jake shields vs Martin Kampman fight.
Sheilds takes down Kampman, inflicts zero damage, Kampman gets right up, punches Shields in the face, Decision Shields?

[Trouble]

After the leonard Garcia vs Nam Phan fight Dana White said that the judges are in no way affiliated with the UFC. Supposedly they are appointed by the Nevada State Athletic Commission. I was starting to think that the UFC was biased when Bisping was given an easy path to a title fight. In my opinion he did not earn the fight and was given a few decisions that he did not earn.

If the judges are really appointed by the Nevada State Athletic Commission then I guess I was wrong.

[jonumberone]

Boxing Judges are also appointed by their respective athletic commissions.
That never stopped them from issuing biased decisions.
One fight I was at immediately comes to mind.
Lennox lewis Holyfield 1
Lewis destroyed Evander and the fight was declared a draw.

Athletic commissions have a stake in the fighting company's success.
when organizations like the UFC bring fights to their towns it usually is a big boost to the economy.
It's the old you scratch my back I scratch yours routine.

[goalie204]

I couldn't agree more that the judging is b.s. That said, if you don't want to go to the judges, either finish the fight, or win decisively like GSP

[yachties23]

Ya I'm not into seeing so many decision fights in a night, but we know GSP can finish fights. I think he just wanted to beat up Josh.

I was very surprised to see Dustin Hazlett get submitted!

GSP doesn't finish fights. He takes zero risks, and I'm tired of hearing at the end of every PPV he headlines "MY goal was to finish him and I fell short" He is as boring a fighter to watch as there is in the UFC. Saturday's jab fest was slightly better than his normal lay and pray tactics. I'm hopeful that he tries that ground and pound crap with shields. Cause over the course of a 5 rounder, he will get caught and subbed.

[Bill86]

I agree with Bill in that UFC Fighters are fighting like they have alot more money in the bank.
That Doesn't mean that decisions are boring.
The biggest problem facing UFC in regards to decisions has been the judges scoring of recent bouts.
The leonard Garcia vs Nam Phan fight from the Ultimate fighter finale and the Riddle vs Peirson fight this past weekend reminded me of why I stopped watching boxing.
I agree Riddle lost his fight, but not by a 30-27 unanimous decision.
I think bias is being shown to the fighters UFC wants to showcase.
Take the Jake shields vs Martin Kampman fight.
Sheilds takes down Kampman, inflicts zero damage, Kampman gets right up, punches Shields in the face, Decision Shields?

I really don't want to argue with anyone here, so please don't think I am trying to.

This is pretty much what I was saying...the decline of the UFC. Judges have made some REALLY bad decisions lately (shogun vs machida 1) and all they are doing is hyping up some newer fighters just for $$$$. Cain velasquez or whatever his name is....he might be a great fighter but he's very new, same with Brock. I hate whenever people mention Brock Vs Fedor. Come on now Fedors like 31-1-1, and Brock lost his 2nd fight and a couple more. Fedor would eat Brock for a mid-morning snack.

That said, it is a shame. I really enjoyed watching the UFC for a good 3-4 years. It's hard to watch now.

Another side note....

Brock did not EVER pay his dues! He was instantly given TOP fighters when he didn't deserve them. Cro Cop got tossed a tin can Eddie Sanchez, WHO RAN AWAY THE WHOLE FIGHT! My point of course is $$$$$$$$, Brock was more marketable so they give him serious fights. No one knew Cro Cop so they give him all mid level fighters IF THAT, of course he doesn't take it seriously. If I were him I would do the same, they don't take him seriously why not take the free paychecks.

Not to mention the UFC has lost some top notch fighters, Tim Sylvia (hes so boring , but he does win), Snowman Monson, Dan henderson and Arlovski to name a few.

[J0eybb]

I really don't want to argue with anyone here, so please don't think I am trying to.

This is pretty much what I was saying...the decline of the UFC. Judges have made some REALLY bad decisions lately (shogun vs machida 1) and all they are doing is hyping up some newer fighters just for $$$$. Cain velasquez or whatever his name is....he might be a great fighter but he's very new, same with Brock. I hate whenever people mention Brock Vs Fedor. Come on now Fedors like 31-1-1, and Brock lost his 2nd fight and a couple more. Fedor would eat Brock for a mid-morning snack.

That said, it is a shame. I really enjoyed watching the UFC for a good 3-4 years. It's hard to watch now.

Another side note....

Brock did not EVER pay his dues! He was instantly given TOP fighters when he didn't deserve them. Cro Cop got tossed a tin can Eddie Sanchez, WHO RAN AWAY THE WHOLE FIGHT! My point of course is $$$$$$$$, Brock was more marketable so they give him serious fights. No one knew Cro Cop so they give him all mid level fighters IF THAT, of course he doesn't take it seriously. If I were him I would do the same, they don't take him seriously why not take the free paychecks.

Not to mention the UFC has lost some top notch fighters, Tim Sylvia (hes so boring , but he does win), Snowman Monson, Dan henderson and Arlovski to name a few.

We are here to argue...:) and I wanted to highlight that part.

[BORIStheBLADE]

GSP doesn't finish fights. He takes zero risks, and I'm tired of hearing at the end of every PPV he headlines "MY goal was to finish him and I fell short" He is as boring a fighter to watch as there is in the UFC. Saturday's jab fest was slightly better than his normal lay and pray tactics. I'm hopeful that he tries that ground and pound crap with shields. Cause over the course of a 5 rounder, he will get caught and subbed.


So when GSP was fighting Hardy and had him in that arm bar he let it go because he wanted a 5 round fight?
I'm not defending GSP, but I do remember that fight.

Looking at his record the last couple of years he has no submissions, but I highly doubt he wants decision wins. Last submission was in 2007.





I really don't want to argue with anyone here, so please don't think I am trying to.

This is pretty much what I was saying...the decline of the UFC. Judges have made some REALLY bad decisions lately (shogun vs machida 1) and all they are doing is hyping up some newer fighters just for $$$$. Cain velasquez or whatever his name is....he might be a great fighter but he's very new, same with Brock. I hate whenever people mention Brock Vs Fedor. Come on now Fedors like 31-1-1, and Brock lost his 2nd fight and a couple more. Fedor would eat Brock for a mid-morning snack.

That said, it is a shame. I really enjoyed watching the UFC for a good 3-4 years. It's hard to watch now.

Another side note....

Brock did not EVER pay his dues! He was instantly given TOP fighters when he didn't deserve them. Cro Cop got tossed a tin can Eddie Sanchez, WHO RAN AWAY THE WHOLE FIGHT! My point of course is $$$$$$$$, Brock was more marketable so they give him serious fights. No one knew Cro Cop so they give him all mid level fighters IF THAT, of course he doesn't take it seriously. If I were him I would do the same, they don't take him seriously why not take the free paychecks.

Not to mention the UFC has lost some top notch fighters, Tim Sylvia (hes so boring , but he does win), Snowman Monson, Dan henderson and Arlovski to name a few.


I couldn't agree more.

[jonumberone]

So when GSP was fighting Hardy and had him in that arm bar he let it go because he wanted a 5 round fight?
I'm not defending GSP, but I do remember that fight.

Looking at his record the last couple of years he has no submissions, but I highly doubt he wants decision wins. Last submission was in 2007.

I couldn't agree more.

I was lucky enough to be ringside for GSP Hardy. How Hardy's arm didn't come completely off was a miracle. From where I was sitting you could actually see the torque on his arm. GSP also had Hardy in a kimora in round 4, again Kudos to hardy. GSP was trying to finish him!

In regards to Brock, He was put In with Mir the first time to make sure he wasn't a fluke ala James Toney and dominated that fight until he made a rookie mistake and got caught in a heel hook. He showed he could fight and earned himself another bout, He then dominated heath Herring. Perhaps a shot against Couture was premature, but he won! He then avenged his loss to Mir. Using Cro Cop isn't a good example. He won his first bout and then lost to a middle of the road fighter Gonzaga and a barely above average Kongo. When he was in against Junior Dos santos he quit on his feet!

In the end UFC is a business and people WANTED TO SEE BROCK FIGHT!
I believe UFC 100 is still the most watched PPV to date with over 1.5 million buys.

[goalie204]

GSP doesn't finish fights. He takes zero risks, and I'm tired of hearing at the end of every PPV he headlines "MY goal was to finish him and I fell short" He is as boring a fighter to watch as there is in the UFC. Saturday's jab fest was slightly better than his normal lay and pray tactics. I'm hopeful that he tries that ground and pound crap with shields. Cause over the course of a 5 rounder, he will get caught and subbed.

It was awesome to see GSP pick koscheck apart. Boring implies nothing happened, if you're only interested in KOS or subs go watch kickboxing or a grappling match.

Not sure why you'd hate on him for fighting intelligently.

GSP makes top level fighters look like amateurs, but i guess a casual fan like you just wants to see a knockout. I agree that a knockout is exciting, but seeing someone get picked apart by someone with gsp's skill set is anything but boring IMO

After GSP's "BORING" FIGHTS:

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg615/scaled.php?tn=0&server=615&filename=dekk.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

http://rdtwot.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/fitch_after_gsp.jpg

[yachties23]

I'm hating on GSP solely because he is always called a great fighter, which in my own admission I don't doubt, but the man is a hypocrite. Ever listen to a GSP interview after a fight. "My goal was to finish off (insert whomever here)"

I understand the Fitch thing. Dude is a bulldog, and doesn't ever give up, and he has superior Jits, so he wasn't going to finish him at all, but take Saturday as an example. Kos had one eye (no depth perception) for 4 rounds, and instead of trying to accomplish his own admitted goal, he stood, circled and threw jabs. There was almost no attempt to anything but jab.

I don't hate on great fighters or fights. Some of my favorite fights of all time have been 3 or 5 round decisions. What I don't like is when the dominant fighter in his weight class doesn't even try to finish anymore.

As for the Hardy, hes tough, I will agree, but if you watch the footage again the armbar wasn't sinched in perfect, GSP's Jits coach even said as much after the fight. As for the Kimura, its anybodys guess, that was in deep and correctly, maybe Hardy's lack of discipline leads to be impervious to shoulder locks.

[BORIStheBLADE]

I'm hating on GSP solely because he is always called a great fighter, which in my own admission I don't doubt, but the man is a hypocrite. Ever listen to a GSP interview after a fight. "My goal was to finish off (insert whomever here)"

I understand the Fitch thing. Dude is a bulldog, and doesn't ever give up, and he has superior Jits, so he wasn't going to finish him at all, but take Saturday as an example. Kos had one eye (no depth perception) for 4 rounds, and instead of trying to accomplish his own admitted goal, he stood, circled and threw jabs. There was almost no attempt to anything but jab.

I don't hate on great fighters or fights. Some of my favorite fights of all time have been 3 or 5 round decisions. What I don't like is when the dominant fighter in his weight class doesn't even try to finish anymore.

As for the Hardy, hes tough, I will agree, but if you watch the footage again the armbar wasn't sinched in perfect, GSP's Jits coach even said as much after the fight. As for the Kimura, its anybodys guess, that was in deep and correctly, maybe Hardy's lack of discipline leads to be impervious to shoulder locks.


For sure, sometimes it seems as if fighter try to win the rounds and get the decision win. Lately I feel as if UFC has a ton of guys that were wrestlers and woke up one day and decided to be MMA fighters. Get a couple of take downs each round and beat up the guy to get the win.
The last two years I have enjoyed WEC more than UFC because of this.

[jonumberone]

I think all fighters want to finish their fights. Why fight for 25 min when you can fight for 2 and make the same $?
I agree GSP didn't take any chances against Kos, but he didn't have to. He also didn't dance or make Kos follow him around the octagon, he stood toe to toe, right in front of him, and fought!

Let's not forget Kos got his title shot by taking down Paul Daley and dry humping him for 3 rounds.

[Bill86]

I think all fighters want to finish their fights. Why fight for 25 min when you can fight for 2 and make the same $?
I agree GSP didn't take any chances against Kos, but he didn't have to. He also didn't dance or make Kos follow him around the octagon, he stood toe to toe, right in front of him, and fought!

Let's not forget Kos got his title shot by taking down Paul Daley and dry humping him for 3 rounds.


Agreed.

I haven't even seen the fight but Koscheck has made his career by dry humping other fighters for 3-5 rounds.

I also agree most fighters do want to finish their fights but some of them do also want to grind out the decision. Lyoto Machida and Koscheck come to mind. They don't want to take any chances or really even fight they just want to pad their record with "wins". Then again they really aren't fighters so Dom is absolutely 100% correct.

[Bill86]

In regards to Brock, He was put In with Mir the first time to make sure he wasn't a fluke ala James Toney and dominated that fight until he made a rookie mistake and got caught in a heel hook. He showed he could fight and earned himself another bout, He then dominated heath Herring. Perhaps a shot against Couture was premature, but he won! He then avenged his loss to Mir. Using Cro Cop isn't a good example. He won his first bout and then lost to a middle of the road fighter Gonzaga and a barely above average Kongo. When he was in against Junior Dos santos he quit on his feet!

My point was Cro Cop gets Sanchez and a 1 fight NOOB gets Mir? That decision was motivated by $$$ and greed. Especially when Cro Cop came off a fantastic Pride career, and I'm sorry I think he beat Fedor if not it was definitely a VERY close fight. Brock came off a 1 fight win vs.....*crickets* MR SHARK!??!?

Brock dominating Mir......Eh, maybe but for what less than 3 minutes? It's easy to run at someone and land a few good shots without thinking about what failure you're setting yourself up for. He got outclassed by a much more patient Mir. Brock is also a classless poor loser, he represents everything MMA wasn't supposed to be.

Brock dominating Herring? Nope Brock sat on herring and maybe threw 1-3 good punches. He even said his goal was to ride it out or just tie him up.

Gonzaga got a good kick no doubt. Kongo kneed Cro Cop in the balls like 3 times. IMO that should have been a DQ or points taken off. How well would you fight or even do anything involving moving if you took 3 knee shots to the nuts?

[yachties23]

For sure, sometimes it seems as if fighter try to win the rounds and get the decision win. Lately I feel as if UFC has a ton of guys that were wrestlers and woke up one day and decided to be MMA fighters. Get a couple of take downs each round and beat up the guy to get the win.
The last two years I have enjoyed WEC more than UFC because of this.

Agreed. Lay and pray has become the way to win MMA fights. Which is why I love Fitch. Guy is a superior wrestler, but constantly works beyond ground and pound and is always looking for subs. I think the judging system needs a huge change. IF you take a guy down and do absolutely nothing, don't attempt a sub, don't advance your position beyond guard, and get stood up, the judges shouldn't count the takedown at all. The point is to inflict damage or atleast attempt to finish the fight, and cheesy 3 inch elbows and blocked punches from guard don't really cut it imho.

Kos did beat daly by basically taking him down and not doing much. But he subbed Rumble Johnson, when was the last time GSP finished a fight?

Also, Machida may stand and evade, but lets run down the list of the guys hes flat out KO'd (not just TKO) and its impressive. I seem to remember Rashad Evans buckled over against the cage, and Thiago Silva unconscious after a strike from above.

[goalie204]

HOLY **** AT THAT WEC MAIN EVENT - THAT wAS THE GREATEST MOVE EVER IN MMA

edit: http://i53.tinypic.com/4j3la8.gif

[wayner123]

HOLY **** AT THAT WEC MAIN EVENT - THAT wAS THE GREATEST MOVE EVER IN MMA

edit: http://i53.tinypic.com/4j3la8.gif

Still went to decision...


But awesome move nonetheless. I still think Spencer Fisher's flying knee on Matt Wiman was one of the craziest moves I have seen. Wiman wanted a freakin timeout, LOL

[ActionAndy]

I almost puked when I saw Pettis do that. I was overwhelmed with raditude. And then Ben "Kind of a Tool If You Think About It" henderson has to act like a crybaby after the fight. "I dunno, the judges gave it to him, whatever." Oh they gave it to him? Couldn't we rephrase that Bendo? Didn't YOU give it to him--by getting dropped?

[goalie204]

I almost puked when I saw Pettis do that. I was overwhelmed with raditude. And then Ben "Kind of a Tool If You Think About It" henderson has to act like a crybaby after the fight. "I dunno, the judges gave it to him, whatever." Oh they gave it to him? Couldn't we rephrase that Bendo? Didn't YOU give it to him--by getting dropped?

Totally agree. F*$% Ben Henderson and his praise jesus bullsh1t. Sore loser little b1tch, hope he gets decimated in the ufc

That Kick was so pro!

Still went to decision...

wtf cares if it went to a decision, that was fight of the year for sure.

[J0eybb]

Totally agree. F*$% Ben Henderson and his praise jesus bullsh1t. Sore loser little b1tch, hope he gets decimated in the ufc

That Kick was so pro!



wtf cares if it went to a decision, that was fight of the year for sure.

Not quite

[goalie204]

Not quite

think what you will, but that was a fantastic fight and just because it "didn't go to a decision" - it was in no means anything short of entertaining from the opening bell to the end. GREAT FIGHT

[Steelergar]

Ive heard other people say that was a great fight too. But other than that kick I wasn't to impressed. I would be concerned about their ability to finish and some other technical points in their game. Lets see how they do against stronger competition. IMO there was a LW Brazilian on the undercard who made his WEC debut that night that could be better than both those guys.

[Ken]

Lay and pray has become the way to win MMA fights. Which is why I love Fitch.

That statement is just puzzling.

Kos did beat daly by basically taking him down and not doing much. But he subbed Rumble Johnson, when was the last time GSP finished a fight?

GSP has finished half of his fights. And there's a short list of people who have made Penn not answer a bell and quit; GSP stands alone. And the fight before that GSP beat the tar piss out of Serra. He just doesn't have that power KO punch, but usually isn't a big deal because he can control the fight and win via an ass-beating.

Big news and challenges for the Big 'O. Overeem fighting Todd Duffee at Dream Dynamite 2010. What bullshit! Can he fight someone dangerous.

[yachties23]

That statement is just puzzling.

GSP has finished half of his fights. And there's a short list of people who have made Penn not answer a bell and quit; GSP stands alone. And the fight before that GSP beat the tar piss out of Serra. He just doesn't have that power KO punch, but usually isn't a big deal because he can control the fight and win via an ass-beating.

Big news and challenges for the Big 'O. Overeem fighting Todd Duffee at Dream Dynamite 2010. What bullshit! Can he fight someone dangerous.

I understand people think Fitch is a lay and pray guy, but I think he tries to sub guys on occasion. With the exception of 2 sub attempts on Dan Hardy, when was the last time GSP was close to finishing a fight?

As for Penn, hes a joke half the time he steps in the cage. Sometimes he trains, other times he could care less. He was out of shape in the second fight and didn't deserve that title shot. A champion of his caliber should finish off lesser opponents, but he never seems to.

[goalie204]

SENGOKU RAiden Championship in 13 hours

and K-1 Dynamite!! in 1 Day and 13 hours!

[goalie204]

pretty good ufc last night, hope brandon vera gets cut

[forgop]

pretty good ufc last night, hope brandon vera gets cut

I like Vera, but he didn't do very well last night for sure.

The Edgar/Maynard fight was very good, but I was really puzzled how one judge scored it 48-46 for Edgar. I can agree with the other 2 scores, but 48-46 Edgar? Seriously after the pounding he took in round 1? He came back and won some rounds, but I don't think there's any way he should have been up by 2 points like that.

[BORIStheBLADE]

I can't believe Edgar didn't get knocked out that first round!

[Ken]

The Edgar/Maynard fight was very good, but I was really puzzled how one judge scored it 48-46 for Edgar.
I'm with you on this scoring. Give Edgar credit for surviving but I'm not sure how he could have received 48-46 in any round. The fight as a whole I didn't care for.

[J0eybb]

Frankie Edgar, Brandon Vera, Marcus Davis and Phil Baroni all received lengthy suspensions due to nasal fractures.


10-8, first round. Then Edgar winning the next 4. 48-46 Edgar. If you give Maynard Rd3 then 47-47. If he wins the 5th rd also, 48-46 Maynard.

I personally had it 47-47, unless they gave him a 10-7 first round. It's pretty rare for NSAC to give a 10-7 though.

[goalie204]

baroni is also cut from the ufc

[goalie204]

The Nevada State Athletic Commission has released the pay day information for UFC 125: Resolution. Lightweight champion Frankie Edgar ($102,000) and light heavyweight Thiago Silva ($110,000) led the pack.

The total pay out was $872,000.

The UFC sold 12,688 tickets for a $2,174,780 live gate.

The pay per view is expected to be in the lower range for UFC events with MMA Payout predicting about 400,000 buys. It's entirely possible the event exceeded PPV expectations.

Full fighter pay information in the full entry via MMA Mania.


Frankie Edgar -- $102,000 ($51,000 to show, $51,000 to win)
Gray Maynard -- $52,000 ($26,000 to show, $26,000 to win)
Edgar and Maynard fought to a five-round draw

Brian Stann -- $42,000 ($21,000 to show, $21,000 to win)
Chris Leben -- $46,000
Stann def. Leben via technical knockout

Thiago Silva -- $110,000 ($55,000 to show, $55,000 to win)
Brandon Vera -- $60,000
Silva def. Vera via unanimous decision

Dong Hyun Kim -- $70,000 ($35,000 to show, $35,000 to win)
Nate Diaz -- $33,000
Kim def. Diaz via unanimous decision

Clay Guida -- $62,000 ($31,000 to show, $31,000 to win)
Takanori Gomi -- $50,000
Guida def. Gomi via submission (guillotine choke)

Dustin Poirier -- $8,000 ($4,000 to show, $4,000 to win)
Josh Grispi -- $15,000
Poirier def. Grispi via unanimous decision

Brad Tavares -- $16,000 ($8,000 to show, $8,000 to win)
Phil Baroni -- $25,000
Tavares def. Baroni via knockout

Jacob Volkmann -- $24,000 ($12,000 to show, $12,000 to win)
Antonio McKee -- $15,000
Volkmann def. McKee via split decision

Jeremy Stephens -- $36,000 ($18,000 to show, $18,000 to win)
Marcus Davis -- $31,000
Stephens def. Davis via knockout

Diego Nunes -- $20,000 ($10,000 to show, $10,000 to win)
Mike Brown -- $23,000
Nunes def. Brown via split decision

Daniel Roberts -- $24,000 ($12,000 to show, $12,000 to win)
Greg Soto -- $8,000
Roberts def. Soto via submission (Kimura)

[dannysguitar]

Is anyone as excited about UFC 126 as I am!?!?!

[goalie204]

yep, good card.

[goalie204]

great strikeforce, even the undercard, way better than any ufc in a long time

[NCRadioMan]

Holy thread revival Batman! :jd

UFC now owns Strikeforce! Says Scott Coker still in place and it's business as usual!

http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/03/12/zuffa-purchases-strikeforce/


:sh

[goalie204]

the thread died cuz you let it :P It's always active on the other cigar boards i'm on ! :D

[wayner123]

I just wanted to add to this thread that Jon Jones is the real deal.

[yachties23]

I just wanted to add to this thread that Jon Jones is the real deal.

I said that a while back.... dude is so talented its scary...

[MiamiE]

I have said that from the first time I saw this kid fight, and everyone would say "oh he is rough", "he is just a street fighter". This guy has come quite a ways from his first fight. I am very proud and happy for him, and I hope he knocks Rashad out!

[Ken]

Holy thread revival Batman! :jd

UFC now owns Strikeforce! Says Scott Coker still in place and it's business as usual!

And isn't it odd that it was Joe Silva who contacted Keith Jardine to fight Mousasi this weekend for Strikeforce.

Saturdays fights should be good. Two title fights with a lot of leather being throw and Mousasi dealing with jardine's herky-jerky.

I am taking Diaz over Daley. I'd really like to see these two d-bags beat the piss out of eat other. Daley has that one shot KO power but that is it. Diaz is the smarter fighter and has all the tools. He'll pepper Daley until he decides to take to the ground for the win.

[goalie204]

also MFC and Bellator

[goalie204]

great strikeforce, easy to win my parlay of bets, except mousasi's illegal upkick made it a draw and i lost! Damn you mousassi!

Great event tho, all 4 fights were awesome

[wayner123]

It was a great strikeforce. You have to give Jardine credit for his heart. He kept coming.

The Diaz fight was awesome too.

[LasciviousXXX]

Just a few more hours and we're headed out to a sports bar to watch the UFC fights with friends. An absolutely STACKED fight card! My picks below!

GSP vs Jake Shields
Aldo vs Hominick
Matyushenko vs Brilz
Couture vs Machida (even though I'm rooting for Capt America)
Bocek vs Henderson
Diaz vs MacDonald
Pierson vs Ellenberger

A great card!

[Ken]

GSP vs Jake Shields

Shields was no threat at all. Loved it!

UFC 131
Carwin vs JDS
Florian vs Nunes
Maia vs Munoz
Cerrone vs Rocha
Stout vs Edwards
Pokrajac vs Soszynski
Beltran vs ?

[LasciviousXXX]

I know our MMA talk has dwindled in the last year but I sincerely hope some of you caught last nite's event. UFC 132 was probably their best and most action-packed card of the year :banger

Great performances and really exciting fights!

[goalie204]

it was good, ive been talking mma on a lot of other forums, but ppl here seemed to have died off ;p

[LasciviousXXX]

Yeah it seems all the talk just dwindled over the last year.

I really enjoyed the Cruz/Faber fight. Man, Cruz has got a crazy unorthodox style. I was surprised he was able to keep up that pace through all 5 rounds. But who in the hell was the judge that scored it 50-45? What fight was he watching?

The Wand/Leben fight made me sad. I was really pulling for Wanderlei to restart his career but I didn't plan on him coming at Leben straight with zero defense. I mean everyone gets caught now and then but a straight rush, even if you are Wanderlei Silva, is never advisable.

Condit's flying knee knockout of Dong Hyun Kim was just so much fun to watch. Exceptional timing :tu

Tito Ortiz.... man what a douchebag! I was hoping he would lose and retire but he got one over on poor Bader. Bader just gave him too much respect IMO and didn't go in there in an aggressive manner.

[yachties23]

Yeah it seems all the talk just dwindled over the last year.

I really enjoyed the Cruz/Faber fight. Man, Cruz has got a crazy unorthodox style. I was surprised he was able to keep up that pace through all 5 rounds. But who in the hell was the judge that scored it 50-45? What fight was he watching?

The Wand/Leben fight made me sad. I was really pulling for Wanderlei to restart his career but I didn't plan on him coming at Leben straight with zero defense. I mean everyone gets caught now and then but a straight rush, even if you are Wanderlei Silva, is never advisable.

Condit's flying knee knockout of Dong Hyun Kim was just so much fun to watch. Exceptional timing :tu

Tito Ortiz.... man what a douchebag! I was hoping he would lose and retire but he got one over on poor Bader. Bader just gave him too much respect IMO and didn't go in there in an aggressive manner.


I assumed the 45-50 was a judge in Faber's pocket. I had a feeling for it being a close fight there would be no way for Faber to lose, they want to plaster his face on everything.

As for Ortiz, he has been and will continue to be a douche. He got lucky, and this only forces him to fight another top level opponent who will crush him.

Condit in my opinion is the 2nd best welterweight out there. He was jobbed over in the Kampmann decision, and should be in line for a title shot.

Overall a great card.

[goalie204]

the dennis siver - matt wiman judging was a joke, wiman won, but siver got the nod, usual horrible judging

[wayner123]

the dennis siver - matt wiman judging was a joke, wiman won, but siver got the nod, usual horrible judging

If Siver won because of the takedown defense, then I think it was excellent judging. I can't recall a past MMA fight that judges actually judged on takedown defense or defense in general. If that is how they came up with the total's then I think it shows promise for the judging. Maybe they are starting to realize, in MMA, that a great defense should also score points.

[yachties23]

If Siver won because of the takedown defense, then I think it was excellent judging. I can't recall a past MMA fight that judges actually judged on takedown defense or defense in general. If that is how they came up with the total's then I think it shows promise for the judging. Maybe they are starting to realize, in MMA, that a great defense should also score points.

One of the guys I watched the fight with thought Siver won based on the fact that he won rounds 1 and 3, and I can almost see his point. The scoring system is totally flawed. Siver took a huge amount of the damage in round two, and while it wasn't quite a 2 point round, the other two rounds could have gone either way, there is no doubt that Wiman won the second. It was the only round in which you can say there was a clear cut winner. In my mind there was never a point in which Siver could have won the fight, but easily could have lost it in the second round.

[goalie204]

Even if siver won 1 and 3, then it should have been a draw because 2 was a 10-8 round IMO

[LasciviousXXX]

Even if siver won 1 and 3, then it should have been a draw because 2 was a 10-8 round IMO

I tend to lean towards this line of thinking as well. Although Dana White and Lorenzo Fertitta disagree on who should have won the fight.

[LasciviousXXX]

It looks like the reign of the Last Emperor is "officially" over. 3 losses in a row for Fedor. Such a shame that the mighty have fallen.

[yachties23]

It looks like the reign of the Last Emperor is "officially" over. 3 losses in a row for Fedor. Such a shame that the mighty have fallen.

MMA is perhaps the only sport where your decline is so quick and almost unseen coming at its beginning.

[Bill86]

It looks like the reign of the Last Emperor is "officially" over. 3 losses in a row for Fedor. Such a shame that the mighty have fallen.

Alright someone has to say it. (pretty much all of this)

From a former UFC fan to a mostly non watcher since Pride went away.

First off I think the Hendo-Fedor stop was weak as hell. Hendo hit him a few times sure but they didn't even give him a chance to get up or try to? 3 seconds after Fedor gets dropped down it was stopped....is 3 seconds even enough time for someone to do anything? Especially a fighter of Fedors caliber, he should have gotten more time.

Seems like a setup for Dana to get the last laugh (kicking Fedor out because it took so long to get him.) He promptly kicks Fedor out. However he says Wanderlei Silva stays in the UFC no matter what his record is. Same with many other fighters. He has a grudge against Fedor.

Were all the Pride fighters on roids? They were all legends (Nogueira, Fedor, Cro Cop, Shogun, Wanderlei Silva) yet they are doing terrible in the UFC.

Is the cage to octagon THAT much of a difference?

Nogueira was knocked senseless in Pride for 33 fights, never got tko'd or ko'd it happens twice in 5 UFC fights?

Fedor never loses...28 fights in a row. He suffers 3 losses in a row under the UFC?

Cro Cop has a highlight reel of wicked head kicks, yet in the UFC he has yet to knock one fighter out with a head kick? Also why did he let Dos Santos beat him....watch the fight he walks right up to Dos Santos, lets him get a headlock clinch and knee the crap out of him.

Wanderlei Silva has 2 wins and 4 losses in the UFC. He was fighting A LOT more in Pride too, now he's got 6 fights in almost 4 years? Trains more, wins less :confused:

Shogun 6 fights in the UFC, loses half of them? How? His first fight he gases out? I just don't get it.

Rampage is doing OKAY, but all his fights are going to decision. Not the Pride rampage we all know and love. 6 out of his 9 fights went to decision :td

Are the rules in UFC not to their liking? This Hendo held Fedor for 2.5 minutes against the cage just doing minimal damage, is that wearing out these fighters out?

What gives, I want to know.

They all cannot be getting too old to fight.

Was Steroids the answer to all of my questions? Is the UFC out to get all the Pride fighters to prove the UFC always had the best fighters?

Are the refs getting paid off?

Bad matchups? What is it?

Are fighters like Cro Cop not interested in the poorly skilled opponents they are given and just taking the easy paychecks? I mean name one fighter that, according to Cro Cops Pride standards (BARELY losing to Fedor, whipping Big Nog around quite a bit), Cro Cop should have been fighting? MAYBE Mir? Everyone else on his list is mostly a no name fighter. Prior to fighting Cro Cop Dos Santos only beat ONE fighter with a name, Werdum. Mirko came into the UFC with back-back wins over Barnett and Wanderlei Silva in the same day, yet he gets Sanchez in the UFC? GTFO Here.

So many questions......Anyone have any ideas. This is why I stopped enjoying MMA.

No matter what this obviously answers the P4P king of the world question : Anderson Silva

/end ...this isn't really a rant more or less a very large series of questions.

[wayner123]

I'll give you my answers as I see them.



First off I think the Hendo-Fedor stop was weak as hell. Hendo hit him a few times sure but they didn't even give him a chance to get up or try to? 3 seconds after Fedor gets dropped down it was stopped....is 3 seconds even enough time for someone to do anything? Especially a fighter of Fedors caliber, he should have gotten more time. - I am a big fan of Fedor's but he was knocked out. As in unconscious. When that happens to any fighter the fight should be stopped. Very serious injury can come quickly if it's not.

Seems like a setup for Dana to get the last laugh (kicking Fedor out because it took so long to get him.) He promptly kicks Fedor out. However he says Wanderlei Silva stays in the UFC no matter what his record is. Same with many other fighters. He has a grudge against Fedor. - I agree I think he has a grudge against Fedor, but mainly more towards Fedor's promotion.

Were all the Pride fighters on roids? They were all legends (Nogueira, Fedor, Cro Cop, Shogun, Wanderlei Silva) yet they are doing terrible in the UFC. - I am not sure. They got tested, but it seems it wasn't as big of an issue.

Is the cage to octagon THAT much of a difference? - Yes and No. The cage is a small factor. I think the bigger factors are the difference in rules and round times. Pride was 10 minute first round and you couldn't elbow a downed opponent. For a grappler that makes a world of difference. And for a striker you know you have more time and have to adjust.

Nogueira was knocked senseless in Pride for 33 fights, never got tko'd or ko'd it happens twice in 5 UFC fights? - Age, pure and simple.

Fedor never loses...28 fights in a row. He suffers 3 losses in a row under the UFC? - IMO, I think Fedor went the route that many great fighters do and paid for it just like they did. When he fought Hong Man Choi it was more of an exhibition. And just like Ali, Forman, etc who fought exhibition fights before him, He got beat up pretty bad in that fight. I don't think his brain ever recovered. Come then to the Strikeforce and he gets tagged by Brett Rogers, again brain is damaged. Then UFC and, well, your brain can only take so much. I think that is what is happening now. Just like Wanderlei gets knocked out every time now, a fighter only has so many knockouts in them. I have seen this time and time again in boxing.

Cro Cop has a highlight reel of wicked head kicks, yet in the UFC he has yet to knock one fighter out with a head kick? Also why did he let Dos Santos beat him....watch the fight he walks right up to Dos Santos, lets him get a headlock clinch and knee the crap out of him. - This one is easier to explain. Cro Cop was never the same after Gonzaga caught him. ANY fighter can be caught by surprise.

Wanderlei Silva has 2 wins and 4 losses in the UFC. He was fighting A LOT more in Pride too, now he's got 6 fights in almost 4 years? Trains more, wins less :confused: - Wanderlei has just taken too many hits to the head.

Shogun 6 fights in the UFC, loses half of them? How? His first fight he gases out? I just don't get it. - I never was a fan of Shogun. I do think though that he is one of the fighters in who the round time differences between Pride and UFC is something that can be seen. Big Nog is another one.

Rampage is doing OKAY, but all his fights are going to decision. Not the Pride rampage we all know and love. 6 out of his 9 fights went to decision :td - Age, and maybe Hollywood.

Are the rules in UFC not to their liking? This Hendo held Fedor for 2.5 minutes against the cage just doing minimal damage, is that wearing out these fighters out? - See above on the explanation of rules and round times differences.

As to the rest of the questions. It seems you are a Cro Cop fan. I was never a huge fan of his, but I truly think his best days are past him. That Gonzaga fight not only did something to him physically, but he never was the same emotionally or mentally.

[Bill86]

I appreciate the response and I think you make some great points.

Age can be a factor but I dunno...I guess I just think all of them being 32-36 doesn't seem like it should have hit them all at the same time and RIGHT when they join the UFC their careers take a complete 180. That for me doesn't add up.

I still cannot see the reasoning for Dana/UFC giving Cro Cop tins cans.....That cannot be explained, he came off 2 BIG wins in one night in Pride. Everyone else got a fairly decent fighter going in, why not Mirko?

I dunno I just feel for 5 different fighters (most will go down as legends in the sport, if not all of them) to have the same effects from joining the UFC something must be going on. :tf

Either Prides drug testing wasn't the best, or one of the organizations was fixing fights, paying refs, or some really BIAS refereeing going on.

I think the UFC is using the Pride fighters names and legacies to hype up these mediocre new guys to take over for the new generation. Picking bad fights, frustrating the fighters (Brock gets a title shot on his 3rd fight EVER?) and bullying them around buying up every promotion that pays worth a $hit. Also some of these guys get in the ring once a year, not nearly enough to keep their skills up.

Further more, Hendo, Tito, Randy all left....and were forced to come back. There is nowhere else to go. To me this is the death of MMA. The UFC can do whatever they want, how long before they start fixing fights right in front of you like wrestling?

:tf

[wayner123]

I still cannot see the reasoning for Dana/UFC giving Cro Cop tins cans.....That cannot be explained, he came off 2 BIG wins in one night in Pride. Everyone else got a fairly decent fighter going in, why not Mirko? - Contracts are contracts. At the time Cro Cop was not that big out the MMA circles. It's like a cigar forum. Sure most everyone knows who "PJ" is when referring to cigars, but outside this forum is another story.


I dunno I just feel for 5 different fighters (most will go down as legends in the sport, if not all of them) to have the same effects from joining the UFC something must be going on. :tf - Yes, something is going on. It's called gaming commissions. The pride gaming commissions were set up to have a 10 minute first round and no elbows to a downed opponent. Also if you were broke up because you were against the ropes, you got back into the same position in the middle of the ring, not stood back up to strike. Those may seem like simple things, but from the fighters prep, game plan, etc they are HUGE!


Either Prides drug testing wasn't the best, or one of the organizations was fixing fights, paying refs, or some really BIAS refereeing going on. - Nah I don't think there is some big conspiracy here.


I think the UFC is using the Pride fighters names and legacies to hype up these mediocre new guys to take over for the new generation. Picking bad fights, frustrating the fighters (Brock gets a title shot on his 3rd fight EVER?) and bullying them around buying up every promotion that pays worth a $hit. Also some of these guys get in the ring once a year, not nearly enough to keep their skills up. - Dana and Zuffa have never been shy to let you know straight up they promote fights which are going to pay off the most. Sure I think there are more deserving people, but in the end it's a business and they promote who is going to sell tickets and PPV.


Further more, Hendo, Tito, Randy all left....and were forced to come back. There is nowhere else to go. To me this is the death of MMA. The UFC can do whatever they want, how long before they start fixing fights right in front of you like wrestling? - I don't know how long you have been watching UFC. I have watched it from the very beginning. I remember sitting down with my brother and Dad and thinking this was going to be like the WCW fights maybe a little more. But from the second match, I knew this was something different. We all turned to each other and said "This is for real". I doubt you will ever see MMA turn into what the WCW and WWF have in WWE. Furthermore, it's a different genre all together really. Where I think MMA is having it's best advances is that it's filling the large gap left by boxing and the champions from before. They may seem like the only game in town for now, but there are a large number of other organizations that are looking to get a piece of that pie. I guess I am saying, like Fedor, the UFC will have to get knocked out eventually.

[goalie204]

http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/FOX-UFC-announce-multi-year-deal-081811

[goalie204]

omg @ the boxing fight, watch this, amazing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMszKiXFtvo

[J0eybb]

omg @ the boxing fight, watch this, amazing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMszKiXFtvo

Haha, missed the fight, LoL

[yachties23]

Tonight should be a solid card. I still think Jones is untouchable, but looking forward to it.

[goalie204]

i got a few bets down

[goalie204]

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