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Old 01-13-2009, 08:42 AM   #21
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you guys are really making it difficult and less fun for me to bust Shawn's balls... but thanks for the info!

I was initially going to post in degrees Kelvin but I was worried some crazy inmate would put his cigars in the oven.

-20C = 253K
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Old 01-13-2009, 08:47 AM   #22
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I don't freeze, but keep my vino and coolers at or below 60 in winter and 65 during summer.
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Old 01-13-2009, 08:48 AM   #23
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I was initially going to post in degrees Kelvin but I was worried some crazy inmate would put his cigars in the oven.

-20C = 253K

LOL -- so what's the life expectancy of the beetle (or Inmate) at Absolute Zero?
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Old 01-13-2009, 08:48 AM   #24
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Old 01-13-2009, 09:08 AM   #25
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Old 01-13-2009, 09:20 AM   #26
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No eggs will not survive see the first portion of the table in red above showing how long at what temp to kill eggs.
I have to disagree with you here. I personally have had eggs hatch after freezing twice.

I know you and I have had discussion before about this subject. After you showed me before the information you had, I accepted it and have had no problems. But a couple weeks ago, I had a run in again with a beetle. I know these sticks were frozen and the particular stick was frozen twice. Maybe I am the exception

Any thoughts on how this happened?
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Old 01-13-2009, 09:24 AM   #27
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I have to disagree with you here. I personally have had eggs hatch after freezing twice.

I know you and I have had discussion before about this subject. After you showed me before the information you had, I accepted it and have had no problems. But a couple weeks ago, I had a run in again with a beetle. I know these sticks were frozen and the particular stick was frozen twice. Maybe I am the exception

Any thoughts on how this happened?
perhaps they were not frozen for a long enough period?
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Old 01-13-2009, 09:51 AM   #28
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perhaps they were not frozen for a long enough period?
I used the exact method that SilverFox laid out the first time. And the second time they were frozen for 96 hours (4 days).
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Old 01-13-2009, 10:01 AM   #29
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I used the exact method that SilverFox laid out the first time. And the second time they were frozen for 96 hours (4 days).
Could the bettle have come from other sticks? Maybe after you froze?
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Old 01-13-2009, 10:05 AM   #30
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Could the bettle have come from other sticks? Maybe after you froze?

That's the only thing I can think of. But I freeze everything now. Incoming from BOTL's and bought sticks. If it did come from some other stick, I didn't see any holes in another cigar. I checked every single cigar.
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Old 01-13-2009, 10:27 AM   #31
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Good post, Shawn. I was always somewhat ambivalent to freezing, until I found one of my sticks (a tubo, no less) with a beetle hole. All stock then went through the freeze and all incoming continues to. I love all my BOTL/SOTL, but still, I don't know where your stuff's been. I do after I freeze them.
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Old 01-13-2009, 10:43 AM   #32
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That box of Padrons is a nightmare...
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Old 01-13-2009, 10:58 AM   #33
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Good post, Shawn. I was always somewhat ambivalent to freezing, until I found one of my sticks (a tubo, no less) with a beetle hole. All stock then went through the freeze and all incoming continues to. I love all my BOTL/SOTL, but still, I don't know where your stuff's been. I do after I freeze them.
Are we going to have to start considering cigar condoms?
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Old 01-13-2009, 01:51 PM   #34
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I was getting ready to smoke a stick that I was bombed when I noticed a small hole... Inside the hole were tunnels with 3 beetles...
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I have to disagree with you here. I personally have had eggs hatch after freezing twice.

I know you and I have had discussion before about this subject. After you showed me before the information you had, I accepted it and have had no problems. But a couple weeks ago, I had a run in again with a beetle. I know these sticks were frozen and the particular stick was frozen twice. Maybe I am the exception

Any thoughts on how this happened?
While I believe in the study I don't have any doubt that what you say is true.

Which leads me to believe that your beetles are somewhere else, perhaps in your humi? Maybe they are indigenous to your area? Do you frequent a B&M that might have them?

Knowing your penchant for research Wayne I am assuming you have thought of these things already.
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Old 01-13-2009, 03:20 PM   #36
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I two have had a beetle outbreak twice and I freeze everything that comes in, I haven't had a problem sense I started this.. Only difference is I throw them directly into the freezer first..
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ok i have to ask, is there anyway to screw-up freezing cigars? like not taking out enough air, to many cigars in a bag?

are there any extra precautions i should take? i know the instructions are straight forward, but somehow i can find a way to screw it up. i think will try it out first on one cigar.

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Old 01-13-2009, 05:56 PM   #38
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Some articles say freezing cracks the microscopic eggs , others say it just makes live larvae and beetles die and the eggs go dormant. There are studies done after multiple freezings , then being exposed to high temps and the cigars have been overrun by beetles. Theres also studies where microwaves were used to kill the eggs and some eggs survived. Personally i dont know maybe these bastards survive all extremes like roaches, but if i see any infestation i wont hestitate to fuk them, eye for an eye i say
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but if i see any infestation i wont hestitate to fuk them,
hey, if it fits, go for it!

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hey, if it fits, go for it!

Who's a bad little beetle , yes u are , yes u are **rub, rub rub** LOL
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