Smoking is bad for you

Cigar_Noob · 10-23-2009, 11:36 PM

hola guys! yup this isn't a bash thread...I just figured the title will attract many views

Anyways how do you combat this? I still live with my parents as an 18 year old and let me tell you what! how many scare tactics can someone come up with?!

right now I'm not even aloud to smoke ma Cigars

So here is a noob..coming to the professionals..give me some ammo to throw back at them ay?

Skywalker · 10-23-2009, 11:43 PM

Listen to your parents!!!

Send me all your cigars. I'll hold onto them until you get your own place!!!

10-23-2009, 11:48 PM

Grow a pair and smoke your cigars. Just don't do it in their house, that is rude.

Cigar_Noob · 10-23-2009, 11:49 PM

hehe I wouldn't smoke them in the house anyways.

South Shield · 10-23-2009, 11:50 PM

Tell your parents you are into bestiality while standing naked with your cat in your arms, they'll forget all about your cigars

Cigar_Noob · 10-23-2009, 11:51 PM

lol...however more serious advice would be awesome too

pnoon · 10-23-2009, 11:58 PM

Here is some serious advice - although you may not like it.

My advice is to listen to your parents. I say this because I am guessing that you not only live with them but they clothe and feed you. They obviously care for you and whether or not their concern is justified, you should respect their wishes. Once you have become self-supportive and are on your own, then you will be able to call your own shots.

This is not what you wanted to hear but you did ask for advice.

Cigar_Noob · 10-23-2009, 11:59 PM

mhmm not really what I wanted to hear but I AM looking for advice, at the moment me and my parents are friendly discussing it.

pnoon · 10-24-2009, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cigar_Noob

mhmm not really what I wanted to hear but I AM looking for advice, at the moment me and my parents are friendly discussing it.

An honest and open dialogue is good.

LasciviousXXX · 10-24-2009, 12:05 AM

While I understand your plight I also understand Pnoon's point of view. Kind of a "My house my rules" sort of thing. As someone who started smoking cigarettes at a young age I had the arguments with my parents as well. Having gone through that, I have to say that there is no really good argument to use against the "smoking is bad for your health" topic. The fact is that smoking can lead to health problems.

As an adult, we choose to do things that might be against other people's beliefs and/or choices. That's just us expressing ourselves in the way we choose. There's nothing wrong with that, but truly if you are living under someone else's rules then a certain amount of respect is warranted.

I solved my problem with my parents by moving out at a young age. And while smoking definitely was not the issue that lead to this decision it was a factor as well. The choice is really up to you. Continue to live under your parents rules and regulations and abide by their wishes (hoping that one day you can reasonably persuade them to see your side) or move out and do your own thing.

Hope that helps.

DPD6030 · 10-24-2009, 12:53 AM

Great advice given so far. If it was me I would listen to my parents but from time to time I'd go to a B&M or another cigar smoke friendly place and enjoy a cigar or two.

bobarian · 10-24-2009, 01:05 AM

As the others have said, as long as you are living in your parents home, you must live and respect their rules. There really is no argument, smoking is indeed bad for you. The fact that cigar smoking may be "less bad" is not relevant. Once you are out of the house you may or may not decide to continue smoking, then it is your decision. Perhaps you can come to a compromise that allows you to smoke when away from home(fishing, etc) It sounds like you have a good relationship with your family continue to discuss this with them in a non argumentative way.

pmwz · 10-24-2009, 03:48 AM

my parents paid me 500€ for not smoking until i turn 18. I am not allowed to smoke inside but i am allowed to smoke on the balcony. My mom is fine with me smoking cigars and even likes sometimes the smell of them.
My older brother is the one who is driving me nuts. he is always commenting how my cigars are stinking when i leave the balcony door open (i leave it sometimes open because he locked me unintionally out during the winterand i had to stay there from 10pm till 2 am)
Since your living at your parent you dont have many options.
1) get your father into smoking cigars on a special occasion (new years cigar, birthday, victory cigar...)
2) tell your parents that you can understand their concerns and accept the house rules.

Don Fernando · 10-24-2009, 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmwz

my parents paid me 500€ for not smoking until i turn 18.

And you bought cigars from that money the day you turned 18?

timo · 10-24-2009, 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoon

Here is some serious advice - although you may not like it.

My advice is to listen to your parents. I say this because I am guessing that you not only live with them but they clothe and feed you. They obviously care for you and whether or not their concern is justified, you should respect their wishes. Once you have become self-supportive and are on your own, then you will be able to call your own shots.

This is not what you wanted to hear but you did ask for advice.

As the parent of two boys (19,21) college students living at home I agree with pnoon 100 percent. Although I don't agree with your parents you live there and need to abide by the rules

JJG · 10-24-2009, 08:00 AM

yup. I agree with everybody else. It's their house and they get to make the rules. but since you're 18, I'd suggest finding a shop with a nice lounge where you can enjoy your smokes. Most have tvs and wifi.

as far as "ammo", I believe someone here posted the statistics of cancer rates among people who smoke a few cigars a week vs. people who don't smoke at all, and the results basically indicated that statistically there was no difference. but it's kinda of a hard argument to make y'know? I mean, they certainly aren't good for you, but just how bad they are is sometimes blown out of proportion. Your best bet is to combat their emotional response with cold hard facts. but in the end, it's still their house.

dunng · 10-24-2009, 08:30 AM

I don't have anything to add on this subject... but you might want to grab the mail before your parents today...

Mugen910 · 10-24-2009, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoon

Here is some serious advice - although you may not like it.

My advice is to listen to your parents. I say this because I am guessing that you not only live with them but they clothe and feed you. They obviously care for you and whether or not their concern is justified, you should respect their wishes. Once you have become self-supportive and are on your own, then you will be able to call your own shots.

This is not what you wanted to hear but you did ask for advice.

Honest and open dialogue is very good..

Mr. Ed · 10-24-2009, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dunng

I don't have anything to add on this subject... but you might want to grab the mail before your parents today...

Are your parents prohibiting you from smoking completely or just around the house? If it's the latter this is what I say:

If you really want to smoke a cigar be smart about it. If you're not allowed to smoke inside or around the house just get creative. Find a B&M, a clearing in the woods (Vermont has woods right?), smoke on the porch of a friend's house, drive out to some field some where and enjoy a cigar.

If your parents are not letting you smoke at all you should probably sit down and have a serious conversation about this hobby and what the actual health risks are.

Like pnoon said, open dialog is vital.

Some websites and studies dealing with health and cigars:

1. http://cancercontrol.cancer.gov/tcrb/monographs/9/ - The National Cancer Institute monograph on cigars, pretty comprehensive. Compelling reading, but it is tinged with some exaggerations and bias. Overall a good read though.

2. Two responses to the NCI study above: http://www.cigardiary.com/index.php?...age&PAGE_id=30

and

http://www.cigarcyclopedia.com/webap...th%2090207.pdf

3. http://www.cigargroup.com/faq/health/ - Great resource for most of the major scientific studies done on cigars and health effects the last 40 years or so.

4. http://stogiefresh.com/journal/Cigar...r_Science.html - The entire website is operated by a doctor I believe and has a lot of good information not only on some interesting science behind cigars, but reviews, and cigar history articles as well. Here is an article about cigars vs cigarettes particularly health risks : http://stogiefresh.com/journal/Cigar...igarettes.html

icehog3 · 10-24-2009, 10:20 AM

I agree with most of the folks above...while you live with your parents, live by their rules. When you get yuor own place, the decision is all yours.

10-23-2009, 11:36 PM	#1
Cigar_Noob Still learning the art Join Date: Oct 2009 First Name: Josh Location: Socialist Republic of Vermont Posts: 246 Trading: (1)	Smoking is bad for you hola guys! yup this isn't a bash thread...I just figured the title will attract many views Anyways how do you combat this? I still live with my parents as an 18 year old and let me tell you what! how many scare tactics can someone come up with?! right now I'm not even aloud to smoke ma Cigars So here is a noob..coming to the professionals..give me some ammo to throw back at them ay?

10-23-2009, 11:43 PM	#2
Skywalker BABOTL Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dice Location: Galaxy Far Far Away Posts: 10,168 Trading: (18)	Re: Smoking is bad for you Listen to your parents!!! Send me all your cigars. I'll hold onto them until you get your own place!!! __________________ Smoke what you like!!!

10-23-2009, 11:48 PM	#3
Darrell Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Smoking is bad for you Grow a pair and smoke your cigars. Just don't do it in their house, that is rude.

10-23-2009, 11:49 PM	#4
Cigar_Noob Still learning the art Join Date: Oct 2009 First Name: Josh Location: Socialist Republic of Vermont Posts: 246 Trading: (1)	Re: Smoking is bad for you hehe I wouldn't smoke them in the house anyways.

10-23-2009, 11:50 PM	#5
South Shield Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Nov 2008 First Name: Travis Location: Martinez, CA Posts: 272 Trading: (0)	Re: Smoking is bad for you Tell your parents you are into bestiality while standing naked with your cat in your arms, they'll forget all about your cigars

10-23-2009, 11:51 PM	#6
Cigar_Noob Still learning the art Join Date: Oct 2009 First Name: Josh Location: Socialist Republic of Vermont Posts: 246 Trading: (1)	Re: Smoking is bad for you lol...however more serious advice would be awesome too

10-23-2009, 11:58 PM	#7
pnoon YNWA Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Peter Location: San Diego Posts: 29,919 Trading: (20)	Re: Smoking is bad for you Here is some serious advice - although you may not like it. My advice is to listen to your parents. I say this because I am guessing that you not only live with them but they clothe and feed you. They obviously care for you and whether or not their concern is justified, you should respect their wishes. Once you have become self-supportive and are on your own, then you will be able to call your own shots. This is not what you wanted to hear but you did ask for advice. __________________ Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are. -John Wooden

10-23-2009, 11:59 PM	#8
Cigar_Noob Still learning the art Join Date: Oct 2009 First Name: Josh Location: Socialist Republic of Vermont Posts: 246 Trading: (1)	Re: Smoking is bad for you mhmm not really what I wanted to hear but I AM looking for advice, at the moment me and my parents are friendly discussing it.

10-24-2009, 12:05 AM	#10
LasciviousXXX Team of 11...Always Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Týr Location: New Orleans Posts: 4,579 Trading: (8)	Re: Smoking is bad for you While I understand your plight I also understand Pnoon's point of view. Kind of a "My house my rules" sort of thing. As someone who started smoking cigarettes at a young age I had the arguments with my parents as well. Having gone through that, I have to say that there is no really good argument to use against the "smoking is bad for your health" topic. The fact is that smoking can lead to health problems. As an adult, we choose to do things that might be against other people's beliefs and/or choices. That's just us expressing ourselves in the way we choose. There's nothing wrong with that, but truly if you are living under someone else's rules then a certain amount of respect is warranted. I solved my problem with my parents by moving out at a young age. And while smoking definitely was not the issue that lead to this decision it was a factor as well. The choice is really up to you. Continue to live under your parents rules and regulations and abide by their wishes (hoping that one day you can reasonably persuade them to see your side) or move out and do your own thing. Hope that helps.

10-24-2009, 12:53 AM	#11
DPD6030 Shepard of the sheeple Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Andrew Location: The Mitten Posts: 7,166 Trading: (151)	Re: Smoking is bad for you Great advice given so far. If it was me I would listen to my parents but from time to time I'd go to a B&M or another cigar smoke friendly place and enjoy a cigar or two.

10-24-2009, 01:05 AM	#12
bobarian Cranky Habanophile Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wine Country Posts: 8,869 Trading: (51)	Re: Smoking is bad for you As the others have said, as long as you are living in your parents home, you must live and respect their rules. There really is no argument, smoking is indeed bad for you. The fact that cigar smoking may be "less bad" is not relevant. Once you are out of the house you may or may not decide to continue smoking, then it is your decision. Perhaps you can come to a compromise that allows you to smoke when away from home(fishing, etc) It sounds like you have a good relationship with your family continue to discuss this with them in a non argumentative way.

10-24-2009, 03:48 AM	#13
pmwz Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: cologne Posts: 372 Trading: (0)	Re: Smoking is bad for you my parents paid me 500€ for not smoking until i turn 18. I am not allowed to smoke inside but i am allowed to smoke on the balcony. My mom is fine with me smoking cigars and even likes sometimes the smell of them. My older brother is the one who is driving me nuts. he is always commenting how my cigars are stinking when i leave the balcony door open (i leave it sometimes open because he locked me unintionally out during the winterand i had to stay there from 10pm till 2 am) Since your living at your parent you dont have many options. 1) get your father into smoking cigars on a special occasion (new years cigar, birthday, victory cigar...) 2) tell your parents that you can understand their concerns and accept the house rules.

10-24-2009, 08:00 AM	#16
JJG Have My Own Room Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Jeff Location: Houston Posts: 1,260 Trading: (4)	Re: Smoking is bad for you yup. I agree with everybody else. It's their house and they get to make the rules. but since you're 18, I'd suggest finding a shop with a nice lounge where you can enjoy your smokes. Most have tvs and wifi. as far as "ammo", I believe someone here posted the statistics of cancer rates among people who smoke a few cigars a week vs. people who don't smoke at all, and the results basically indicated that statistically there was no difference. but it's kinda of a hard argument to make y'know? I mean, they certainly aren't good for you, but just how bad they are is sometimes blown out of proportion. Your best bet is to combat their emotional response with cold hard facts. but in the end, it's still their house.

10-24-2009, 08:30 AM	#17
dunng MassHole Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Greg Location: MassHole Posts: 4,719 Trading: (59)	Re: Smoking is bad for you I don't have anything to add on this subject... but you might want to grab the mail before your parents today... __________________ MassHole Banter

10-24-2009, 10:20 AM	#20
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 70,561 Trading: (60)	Re: Smoking is bad for you I agree with most of the folks above...while you live with your parents, live by their rules. When you get yuor own place, the decision is all yours. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!