Fake Cohiba? - Page 3

T.G · 11-14-2012, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by iaMkcK

And here we are:

Yup, that's the lawsuit band.

Not fake. Just a different manufacturer.

More info here:
http://www.afficionadocigar.com/webf...s/show/id/2860

iaMkcK · 11-14-2012, 07:16 PM

I had thought that as well, but the bands that I saw that were from that lawsuit, did not resemble the one I had. And the fact that it was a green cigar sends up even more red flags. Maybe they took the bands and put them on some candelas. Either way, I'll concede -- I stand corrected.

EDIT :: Interesting that a cigar from 6 years ago is floating around up here.

Porch Dweller · 11-14-2012, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by iaMkcK

I hear you Rico; personally: I don't buy Cohiba's either.

They are probably amazing smokes, but sadly I'll never know unless I wind up getting one in a sampler or something to that effect. My local B&M's start them off at $20, and for that price I can get 2 very decent cigars -- Hell I believe they have a Padron Anny around the same price range.

I'd love to try a Cohiba -- The only one I've smoked was a fake, and I knew it was a fake, but I took one for the team so I knew what fakes tasted like.

I've had a handful of CC Cohibas and they were amongst the best things I've ever smoked. I've had about 15 NC Cohibas and while good, IMO they're overpriced. I've smoked much better cigars at half the cost. IMO the price of the NCs is in a large part based off of the name on the band.

11-14-2012, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Porch Dweller

I've had a handful of CC Cohibas and they were amongst the best things I've ever smoked. I've had about 15 NC Cohibas and while good, IMO they're overpriced. I've smoked much better cigars at half the cost. IMO the price of the NCs is in a large part based off of the name on the band.

Being as I have never had the real deal... can anyone speak as to weather they are better then the HdM CC's? I like the NC Cohiba's but I LOVE HC HdM's... So I was thinking about trying to make a CC HdM my first CC... but everyone talks about the CC Cohiba so I have no idea as to which I should be hunting for...

Thoughts?

icehog3 · 11-14-2012, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Robulous78

can anyone speak as to weather they are better then the HdM CC's? I like the NC Cohiba's but I LOVE HC HdM's... So I was thinking about trying to make a CC HdM my first CC... but everyone talks about the CC Cohiba so I have no idea as to which I should be hunting for...

Thoughts?

No one can with certainty, because it is all a matter of personal taste.

I don't care for HdMs at all, with the exception of the "du" lines.

I like Cohibas a lot.

Does that mean Cohibas are better than HdMs?

Maybe for me, but not for everyone else.

pnoon · 11-14-2012, 09:09 PM

To be clear, there is no correlation, association, or similarity between NCs and CCs of the same name.

11-14-2012, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pnoon

To be clear, there is no correlation, association, or similarity between NCs and CCs of the same name.

So you cannot judge which CC you will like by their NC counterpart?

11-14-2012, 09:21 PM

If what I have gathered from my reading is correct... CC's have a unique taste/flavor you only get from CC's... I thought this was just an addition to the NC counterparts flavor profile...

I wish I could be more specific, but I have no experience with CC's so I don't even know if this is true... Guess I need to make some Canadian friends... LoL

pnoon · 11-14-2012, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Robulous78

So you cannot judge which CC you will like by their NC counterpart?

Absolutely not.

T.G · 11-14-2012, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by iaMkcK

I had thought that as well, but the bands that I saw that were from that lawsuit, did not resemble the one I had. And the fact that it was a green cigar sends up even more red flags. Maybe they took the bands and put them on some candelas. Either way, I'll concede -- I stand corrected.

EDIT :: Interesting that a cigar from 6 years ago is floating around up here.

There actually is/was a 4th Cohiba, made by Monti Cristi, something about only being sold on the island, I don't know for certain if they are still being produced, but I believe they were still in production about 4-5 years ago.

Some of those have been known to sneak off the island.

Maybe I have the band assignments backwards.

AlohaStyle · 11-14-2012, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Robulous78

So you cannot judge which CC you will like by their NC counterpart?

To add to the other answers... the Cuban brand and NC brand have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Totally separate companies/blends/marketing etc. Nothing. The NC name is a blatant copy of the cuban name/image here in the US.

And to think a CC Cohiba Robusto is too expensive... they are cheaper than a lot of high-end Nicaraguan and Dominicans. Do you buy the Tatuaje Monster cigars? They are more expensive than I pay for Cohiba Robustos.

JJKJR · 11-15-2012, 06:33 AM

I got these same cigars as a gift from my wife who was in Haiti. She bought them from a roadside vender being told and believing they were CC's. Just as everyone else stated they were very poorly constructed and 2 of the ten pack had beetle holes in them. I did the freezer kill on the remaining 8. I didn't especially like the cigars. I can't say they were the worse I ever smoked but they were far from the best. I wouldn't consider getting these again. I remember reading somewhere on this site that the true NC's band has the "O" in Cohiba colored red.

Sonic04GT · 11-15-2012, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by iaMkcK

I'm sure he meant it offhandedly, and not honestly meaning 1/100 are real.. But I can't speak for the man.. It's up to him to say what he actually meant.

That's what I got out of it. I've noticed many folks around here take things very literally and seriously.

Sonic04GT · 11-15-2012, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by T.G

Yup, that's the lawsuit band.

Not fake. Just a different manufacturer.

More info here:
http://www.afficionadocigar.com/webf...s/show/id/2860

"In addition to admitting infringement, the defendants agreed to turn over approximately 10,000 yellow band Cohiba cigars to General for destruction."

pnoon · 11-15-2012, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sonic04GT

"In addition to admitting infringement, the defendants agreed to turn over approximately 10,000 yellow band Cohiba cigars to General for destruction."

It was only 137 bands.

You take things very literally and seriously.

11-15-2012, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pnoon

It was only 137 bands.

You take things very literally and seriously.

bigunit66 · 11-17-2012, 05:31 PM

I trust more online vendors than B&M's in any third world country.

havanabound · 11-17-2012, 06:24 PM

Damn it!

My buddy who goes to cuba, keeps bringing back discounted boxes of cohibas that he gets from someone he "trusts". These cigars in the most legitimate looking box, sealed with government seal and all (box of 25) all have the 4 dots above the cohiba name.

My other friends that went to an actual government store and bought them full price and legitimately, those all had 3 dots. And I've smoked them all. Now I'm left with about 20 of the fake ones. I must say though, they're still pretty damn fine smokes, even though they're probably knock offs.

The one I just received from switzerland has 3 dots.

aj_chicago · 07-18-2013, 12:26 PM

All I can say is I sure do miss the "fake" yellow band Cohibas. I like mild and I think they were a great bang for the buck and thoroughly enjoyed them. Does anyone know what brand/name they were replaced with after General Cigars won the law suit with the "non-Cuban" (3rd) Cohiba company?

Sweet_Leaf_PDX · 07-18-2013, 01:04 PM

I was recently in the Dominican Republic and saw tons of these fake Cohibas for sale. At the only legitimate cigar store I found there, legit Cohibas were very expensive. I ended up buying a Paratags, Punch and RyJ CC and found them all to be excellent smokes.

To the point of not being able to judge a CC by it's NC counterpart - RyJ are not normally my thing, but I loved the CC version.

Hypothesis: Your odds of getting a legit CC are better, assuming you don't 100% trust the source, if you go with a brand other than Cohiba?

11-14-2012, 07:16 PM	#42
iaMkcK Feeling at Home Join Date: Oct 2012 First Name: Jarrett Location: SoCal Posts: 570 Trading: (8)	Re: Fake Cohiba? I had thought that as well, but the bands that I saw that were from that lawsuit, did not resemble the one I had. And the fact that it was a green cigar sends up even more red flags. Maybe they took the bands and put them on some candelas. Either way, I'll concede -- I stand corrected. EDIT :: Interesting that a cigar from 6 years ago is floating around up here.

11-14-2012, 09:09 PM	#46
pnoon YNWA Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Peter Location: San Diego Posts: 29,919 Trading: (20)	Re: Fake Cohiba? To be clear, there is no correlation, association, or similarity between NCs and CCs of the same name. __________________ Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are. -John Wooden

11-14-2012, 09:21 PM	#48
Robulous78 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Fake Cohiba? If what I have gathered from my reading is correct... CC's have a unique taste/flavor you only get from CC's... I thought this was just an addition to the NC counterparts flavor profile... I wish I could be more specific, but I have no experience with CC's so I don't even know if this is true... Guess I need to make some Canadian friends... LoL

11-15-2012, 06:33 AM	#52
JJKJR Still Watching My Back Join Date: Jan 2011 First Name: Joe Location: Sarasota, FL Posts: 60 Trading: (0)	Re: Fake Cohiba? I got these same cigars as a gift from my wife who was in Haiti. She bought them from a roadside vender being told and believing they were CC's. Just as everyone else stated they were very poorly constructed and 2 of the ten pack had beetle holes in them. I did the freezer kill on the remaining 8. I didn't especially like the cigars. I can't say they were the worse I ever smoked but they were far from the best. I wouldn't consider getting these again. I remember reading somewhere on this site that the true NC's band has the "O" in Cohiba colored red.

11-17-2012, 05:31 PM	#57
bigunit66 Just in from the Storm Join Date: Sep 2012 First Name: Andy Posts: 28 Trading: (0)	Re: Fake Cohiba? I trust more online vendors than B&M's in any third world country.

11-17-2012, 06:24 PM	#58
havanabound Just in from the Storm Join Date: Nov 2012 First Name: Alden Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 14 Trading: (0)	Re: Fake Cohiba? Damn it! My buddy who goes to cuba, keeps bringing back discounted boxes of cohibas that he gets from someone he "trusts". These cigars in the most legitimate looking box, sealed with government seal and all (box of 25) all have the 4 dots above the cohiba name. My other friends that went to an actual government store and bought them full price and legitimately, those all had 3 dots. And I've smoked them all. Now I'm left with about 20 of the fake ones. I must say though, they're still pretty damn fine smokes, even though they're probably knock offs. The one I just received from switzerland has 3 dots.

07-18-2013, 12:26 PM	#59
aj_chicago Just in from the Storm Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2 Trading: (0)	Re: Fake Cohiba? All I can say is I sure do miss the "fake" yellow band Cohibas. I like mild and I think they were a great bang for the buck and thoroughly enjoyed them. Does anyone know what brand/name they were replaced with after General Cigars won the law suit with the "non-Cuban" (3rd) Cohiba company?

07-18-2013, 01:04 PM	#60
Sweet_Leaf_PDX Feeling at Home Join Date: May 2013 First Name: Jason Location: Portland, OR Posts: 605 Trading: (11)	Re: Fake Cohiba? I was recently in the Dominican Republic and saw tons of these fake Cohibas for sale. At the only legitimate cigar store I found there, legit Cohibas were very expensive. I ended up buying a Paratags, Punch and RyJ CC and found them all to be excellent smokes. To the point of not being able to judge a CC by it's NC counterpart - RyJ are not normally my thing, but I loved the CC version. Hypothesis: Your odds of getting a legit CC are better, assuming you don't 100% trust the source, if you go with a brand other than Cohiba?