If defense wins championships.... - Page 2

Blueface · 01-13-2010, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Resipsa

Do your research Carlos, I'm not doing it for you,

http://www.superbowlhistory.net/superbowl/scores.php

Look at the boxscores. Frequently you'll see even the LOSING team rolled up over 400 or close to 400 yards of offense. Yes, there are the anomalies, but the majority of the games are clearly won by the offense, not the defense, and the losing teams offense had plenty of success against the winning teams defense.

Just look at two of the past 3 SB's. Last year the Steelers had a supposedly "great" defense, yet they gave up over 400 yards of offense to the Cardinals. The D didn't win that game, the Steelers offense did.

In 2006 the Bears supposedly had a "great" defense. The Colts rolled over them to the tune of 430 yards and an easy win.

I am still not convinced.

Vigiles · 01-13-2010, 03:01 PM

There is no way that those statistics can say one way or the other that defenses don't win championships.

If the steelers defense wasn't great last year, they wouldn't have MADE it to the superbowl.

Raiders vs Tampa Bay a few years ago, great defense vs great offense, tampa ROLLED over Oakland. But then look at your examples, also valid points.

Super bowl yards or scores can't say what does or doesn't win championships, those teams are supposed to be the two best that year, so should either one not be able to score? Its not like last year it was pittsburgh vs detroit and the lions put up the numbers that Arizona did.

Vigiles · 01-13-2010, 03:02 PM

Also, I'm pretty sure James Harrison, who scored a 100 yard touchdown, played on the Defense last year...

OLS · 01-14-2010, 08:19 AM

I am a believer of what happens in the super bowl is irrelevant. DEFENSE gets you in position
to win the championship is more like it. You have to STOP people to get to the big game, cause
by the time the wild card games are played, everybody in the playoffs is good enough to be there.
You have to stop people, but you are right, you have to score to win, obviously.
They were asking on WWL this morning why there were so many un-believers in the city. They were
asking how come so many people thought the Saints would lose to the Cards. I should make it clear,
I DON'T think the Cards are going to beat the SAINTS. I just doubt they have the stiffness on D
to make it all the way through the playoffs, although I have been waiting 4 decades for this. I think
that we know how to deal with the old fart QB of the Cards, and although Larry Fitz is going to run
circles around our DBs, he is only one man. I think we can stop Beannie, too, but he will also get
his yards in the first half. No I think the Saints make it to the NFC Champ game. Hopefully all the way
from there, but Brees is going to end up being the edge if we do.

OLS · 01-14-2010, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by pnoon

Because if the defense comes out and has one bad game, it's over.

Nutshell Time!

acruce · 01-14-2010, 07:57 PM

Cowboys vs. Chargers

OLS · 01-15-2010, 04:43 PM

Saints versus Ravens

Starscream · 01-15-2010, 08:29 PM

I don't think that the Saints will make it past this week. They've lost three in a row at the end of the season. They're vulnerable and everyone knows their weaknesses. Unless they change their gameplan in the last two weeks, then there is no chance of them making it to the SB.

My pick:

Vikings/Colts in the Superbowl

Colts are the new Champions.

white_s2k · 01-16-2010, 02:36 PM

Wow, Saints offense better be 100% today because their defense just gave up a TD 19 seconds into the game.

white_s2k · 01-16-2010, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by white_s2k

Wow, Saints offense better be 100% today because their defense just gave up a TD 19 seconds into the game.

I say that, then the NO defense cause a turnover and is leading 14-7

chachee52 · 01-16-2010, 04:37 PM

I'd say that the Saints Deffense has shown up to play today!! Either that or AR offense didn't show up to play. Either way, Cards look ugly!!!!

Starscream · 01-16-2010, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chachee52

I'd say that the Saints Deffense has shown up to play today!! Either that or AR offense didn't show up to play. Either way, Cards look ugly!!!!

I think that the Cards offense didn't show up...

Blueface · 01-16-2010, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andysutherland

I think that the Cards offense didn't show up...

Hmmm......
How about for the purpose of the thread, the Cards' lack of defense lost the game?
Hmmm.....

OLS · 01-16-2010, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chachee52

I'd say that the Saints Deffense has shown up to play today!! Either that or AR offense didn't show up to play. Either way, Cards look ugly!!!!

WO-Huh-HOW! What a game by the Saints. THIS was the game I was worried about. So now, fellas, forget about it. Saints ADVANCE to the Super Bowl. How about Reggie Bush? What a game by him. EVERYBODY worked so hard and played their hearts out for the best Saints game I have seen this year. Nice game call by Shawn Payton..........WHO dat!

01-17-2010, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Blueface

I am still not convinced.

How about now?

Colts offense, Ravens D.....who won brother?

Vigiles · 01-17-2010, 05:33 AM

To be honest, the ravens defense wasn't that good this year. Not like in years past.

And I would say that the colts defense played VERY well.

If you listen to some sports analysts, they say that the NFL (through its new rules, etc) has made having a very dominant defense impossible.

longknocker · 01-17-2010, 06:00 AM

Geaux Saints!

SuperBowl Bound!

chachee52 · 01-17-2010, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vigiles

If you listen to some sports analysts, they say that the NFL (through its new rules, etc) has made having a very dominant defense impossible.

Agreed. If the defense looks at the QB they get a penalty!!
Didn't get to see the Colts-Ravens game. Just was able to watch the score on my phone.

Blueface · 01-17-2010, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blueface

Hmmm......
How about for the purpose of the thread, the Cards' lack of defense lost the game?
Hmmm.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Resipsa

How about now?

Colts offense, Ravens D.....who won brother?

Vic,
See my post.
While the Saints Offense won the game, didn't the Cards Defense lose it as they stunk and couldn't stop the Saints?

Hey,
You are an attorney.
I am a frustrated attorney want to be dealing with attorneys every day.
We can have fun with this finding angles.

BTW,
I would argue the Colts Defense won that game.

macpappy · 01-17-2010, 08:00 AM

As many points that the Saints put on the scoreboard last night with outstanding offense, many of those points were made possible by the play of their defense. A defense which held the Cards and Warner to 14 points.

Fumble recovery and good return lead to a touchdown.

Interception by an defensive lineman and return that lead to points while knocking Warner out for the rest of the half.

I'm not saying that the Saints defense is great but when your defense is good enough to keep the other team out of the endzone and giving your high powered offense a shorter field, then you will probably win most of your games.

01-13-2010, 03:01 PM	#22
Vigiles Still Watching My Back Join Date: Dec 2009 First Name: Garrett Location: VA Posts: 183 Trading: (3)	Re: If defense wins championships.... There is no way that those statistics can say one way or the other that defenses don't win championships. If the steelers defense wasn't great last year, they wouldn't have MADE it to the superbowl. Raiders vs Tampa Bay a few years ago, great defense vs great offense, tampa ROLLED over Oakland. But then look at your examples, also valid points. Super bowl yards or scores can't say what does or doesn't win championships, those teams are supposed to be the two best that year, so should either one not be able to score? Its not like last year it was pittsburgh vs detroit and the lions put up the numbers that Arizona did.

01-13-2010, 03:02 PM	#23
Vigiles Still Watching My Back Join Date: Dec 2009 First Name: Garrett Location: VA Posts: 183 Trading: (3)	Re: If defense wins championships.... Also, I'm pretty sure James Harrison, who scored a 100 yard touchdown, played on the Defense last year...

01-14-2010, 08:19 AM	#24
OLS Suck It Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Brad Location: TN Posts: 7,912 Trading: (19)	Re: If defense wins championships.... I am a believer of what happens in the super bowl is irrelevant. DEFENSE gets you in position to win the championship is more like it. You have to STOP people to get to the big game, cause by the time the wild card games are played, everybody in the playoffs is good enough to be there. You have to stop people, but you are right, you have to score to win, obviously. They were asking on WWL this morning why there were so many un-believers in the city. They were asking how come so many people thought the Saints would lose to the Cards. I should make it clear, I DON'T think the Cards are going to beat the SAINTS. I just doubt they have the stiffness on D to make it all the way through the playoffs, although I have been waiting 4 decades for this. I think that we know how to deal with the old fart QB of the Cards, and although Larry Fitz is going to run circles around our DBs, he is only one man. I think we can stop Beannie, too, but he will also get his yards in the first half. No I think the Saints make it to the NFC Champ game. Hopefully all the way from there, but Brees is going to end up being the edge if we do. Last edited by OLS; 01-14-2010 at 08:25 AM.

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01-15-2010, 04:43 PM	#27
OLS Suck It Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Brad Location: TN Posts: 7,912 Trading: (19)	Re: If defense wins championships.... Saints versus Ravens

01-15-2010, 08:29 PM	#28
Starscream Knowhutimean, Vern? Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Andy Location: In a little town somewhere in the USA Posts: 10,237 Trading: (4)	Re: If defense wins championships.... I don't think that the Saints will make it past this week. They've lost three in a row at the end of the season. They're vulnerable and everyone knows their weaknesses. Unless they change their gameplan in the last two weeks, then there is no chance of them making it to the SB. My pick: Vikings/Colts in the Superbowl Colts are the new Champions. __________________ Insert quote here.

01-16-2010, 02:36 PM	#29
white_s2k The Dude Abides Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Josh Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,052 Trading: (20)	Re: If defense wins championships.... Wow, Saints offense better be 100% today because their defense just gave up a TD 19 seconds into the game. __________________ "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." – Robert A. Heinlein

01-16-2010, 04:37 PM	#31
chachee52 Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Dec 2009 First Name: Todd Location: Tyngsboro, MA Posts: 399 Trading: (2)	Re: If defense wins championships.... I'd say that the Saints Deffense has shown up to play today!! Either that or AR offense didn't show up to play. Either way, Cards look ugly!!!! __________________

01-17-2010, 05:33 AM	#36
Vigiles Still Watching My Back Join Date: Dec 2009 First Name: Garrett Location: VA Posts: 183 Trading: (3)	Re: If defense wins championships.... To be honest, the ravens defense wasn't that good this year. Not like in years past. And I would say that the colts defense played VERY well. If you listen to some sports analysts, they say that the NFL (through its new rules, etc) has made having a very dominant defense impossible.

01-17-2010, 06:00 AM	#37
longknocker Postwhore Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Greg Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 11,115 Trading: (82)	Re: If defense wins championships.... Geaux Saints! SuperBowl Bound!

01-17-2010, 08:00 AM	#40
macpappy Rider on the storm. Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Slidell, LA Posts: 851 Trading: (0)	Re: If defense wins championships.... As many points that the Saints put on the scoreboard last night with outstanding offense, many of those points were made possible by the play of their defense. A defense which held the Cards and Warner to 14 points. Fumble recovery and good return lead to a touchdown. Interception by an defensive lineman and return that lead to points while knocking Warner out for the rest of the half. I'm not saying that the Saints defense is great but when your defense is good enough to keep the other team out of the endzone and giving your high powered offense a shorter field, then you will probably win most of your games. __________________ WARNING: I am a Southern White Male. I have a brain and I know how to use it.