Tat Drac: Shipping Date

[Brooks W]

Originally Posted by poriggity

I had a friend tell me he smoked a drac today, and thought the Conoju was better. That right there tells me that the hype is way over played.

Oh, cmon, really? Based on one person?

Based on what **I** know, the Cojonu series is NOT better then the Drac, not by a long shot...

(but I do love a good Cojonu 2003

~ brooks

[chenvt]

Originally Posted by tobii3

No kidding??

My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Drac's at a TinderBox last night.... I guess it's pretty serious.

(my apologies for ruining the Ferris Bueller quote)

I don't know if you know this tobes, but I'm kind of a big deal



(no apologies for ruining the Anchorman quote)

[chenvt]

Originally Posted by RightAJ

btw, does anyone have Adam's address? If so, PM it to me

[poriggity]

Originally Posted by Brooks W

Oh, cmon, really? Based on one person?

Based on what **I** know, the Cojonu series is NOT better then the Drac, not by a long shot...

(but I do love a good Cojonu 2003

~ brooks

Yes, really. Its a guy I trust, and know his tastes. If he says the Cojonu is better than the drac, than I am pretty positive that's how I'll feel, as we have the same tastes in cigars. As far as "having fun" with the hunt for drac's and boris, thats great. If you guys can have fun with it, go for it. I just can't really agree with the price gouging going on from SOME retailers, and the games going on from SOME retailers. IMHO, the most FAIR way to deal with the Drac/Boris situation is to put them on the shelves or website, and put them up for sale, AT MSRP plus taxes, and sell them till they are gone. First come first serve. Thats just my opinion, and I am pretty sure it's not the popular one.
Scott

[pfm721]

Originally Posted by poriggity

II heard a rumor that they were selling them at MSRP, but I also heard they sold out in like 20 minutes LOL...
Scott

Yeah they were gone in a hurry

[Brooks W]

Originally Posted by poriggity

Yes, really. Its a guy I trust, and know his tastes. If he says the Cojonu is better than the drac, than I am pretty positive that's how I'll feel, as we have the same tastes in cigars. As far as "having fun" with the hunt for drac's and boris, thats great. If you guys can have fun with it, go for it. I just can't really agree with the price gouging going on from SOME retailers, and the games going on from SOME retailers. IMHO, the most FAIR way to deal with the Drac/Boris situation is to put them on the shelves or website, and put them up for sale, AT MSRP plus taxes, and sell them till they are gone. First come first serve. Thats just my opinion, and I am pretty sure it's not the popular one.
Scott

Have you smoked a Drac yet, and do you plan on trying to get one to try, to see if you feel the same way after you taste it?

Just wondering

~brooks

Originally Posted by poriggity

Yes, really. Its a guy I trust, and know his tastes. If he says the Cojonu is better than the drac, than I am pretty positive that's how I'll feel, as we have the same tastes in cigars. As far as "having fun" with the hunt for drac's and boris, thats great. If you guys can have fun with it, go for it. I just can't really agree with the price gouging going on from SOME retailers, and the games going on from SOME retailers. IMHO, the most FAIR way to deal with the Drac/Boris situation is to put them on the shelves or website, and put them up for sale, AT MSRP plus taxes, and sell them till they are gone. First come first serve. Thats just my opinion, and I am pretty sure it's not the popular one.
Scott

As many people will attest, you can't judge a cigar based on 1 stick. Especially 1 stick smoked OTT--the only option when smoking a Drac this week. I am certian that your friend did not like the Drac he smoked as well as the Cojonu's he's smoked. But again, judging that one 1 OTT stick that your friend smoked is, in my opinion, not enough to call the Drac release "all hype" or whatever. No offense, just my opinion.

I've had 1 Cojonu '03 and one '06, and though they were good, I felt they weren't worth the coin to me. But again, that's 1 stick. I have 2 more of each I believe, so I'll reserve judgment. I've learned that my palate can't always be trusted, especially during cold season like now.

Oh, and as far as your opinion on the Drac sales ... that's FAR from an unpopular one, actually. Many have said exactly what you have. I have actually "discussed" it with Pete in another forum, and have heard that he's taking a version of one of my ideas to heart for next year's release. Essentially--exactly like this year's with one major addition: a huge extra allotment (666 or 1300 boxes) to be sent to one store, earmarked for phone/internet orders. This will keep the shops happy while also making the collectors/hardcore fans/brand supporters happy as well.

[acarr]

Originally Posted by njstone

As many people will attest, you can't judge a cigar based on 1 stick. Especially 1 stick smoked OTT--the only option when smoking a Drac this week. I am certian that your friend did not like the Drac he smoked as well as the Cojonu's he's smoked. But again, judging that one 1 OTT stick that your friend smoked is, in my opinion, not enough to call the Drac release "all hype" or whatever. No offense, just my opinion.

I've had 1 Cojonu '03 and one '06, and though they were good, I felt they weren't worth the coin to me. But again, that's 1 stick. I have 2 more of each I believe, so I'll reserve judgment. I've learned that my palate can't always be trusted, especially during cold season like now.

Oh, and as far as your opinion on the Drac sales ... that's FAR from an unpopular one, actually. Many have said exactly what you have. I have actually "discussed" it with Pete in another forum, and have heard that he's taking a version of one of my ideas to heart for next year's release. Essentially--exactly like this year's with one major addition: a huge extra allotment (666 or 1300 boxes) to be sent to one store, earmarked for phone/internet orders. This will keep the shops happy while also making the collectors/hardcore fans/brand supporters happy as well.

Now going full circle, will the collectors and hardcore fans want them if there are 2500 boxes of them

Originally Posted by acarr

Now going full circle, will the collectors and hardcore fans want them if there are 2500 boxes of them

heck yea! I want a Drac box just as much as a Frank box, and there are twice as many.

In point of fact, though, what Pete might do is have only a certian number of the collector's coffins (maybe 1300 again) and have most of the boxes shipped to B&Ms be simple 10-count cedar boxes. This makes a LOT of sense to me, since most B&Ms are just braking the boxes up for singles anyway. Send each shop 1 nice collector's box, and the rest plain 10-count boxes.

End result: more sticks than this year, but roughly the same amount of boxes.

[chenvt]

Originally Posted by njstone

heck yea! I want a Drac box just as much as a Frank box, and there are twice as many.

In point of fact, though, what Pete might do is have only a certian number of the collector's coffins (maybe 1300 again) and have most of the boxes shipped to B&Ms be simple 10-count cedar boxes. This makes a LOT of sense to me, since most B&Ms are just braking the boxes up for singles anyway. Send each shop 1 nice collector's box, and the rest plain 10-count boxes.

End result: more sticks than this year, but roughly the same amount of boxes.

that's a hell of an idea, making both sides happy

[RightAJ]

I like those ideas guys good thinking!

On a side note I just had one place call me back and said they wanted $100 for a 2 pack... I told the guy I got a whole box for $170 and he just mumbled about rarity. That is crazy, it is a $13 cigar and it should stay that way. I can understand maybe taxes or something jumping it up a buck or two but $37 more than MSRP??? That is stupid

aj

[poriggity]

Originally Posted by Brooks W

Have you smoked a Drac yet, and do you plan on trying to get one to try, to see if you feel the same way after you taste it?

Just wondering

~brooks

If I stumble upon a shop that has a drac or boris sitting there, untouched and at MSRP, I MIGHT grab it just to smoke one and see what my thoughts are, but I won't be making any special phone calls to try and procure any. You are correct though Brooks, I SHOULD smoke one, and form my own opinion on it.
Scott

[poriggity]

Originally Posted by RightAJ

I like those ideas guys good thinking!

On a side note I just had one place call me back and said they wanted $100 for a 2 pack... I told the guy I got a whole box for $170 and he just mumbled about rarity. That is crazy, it is a $13 cigar and it should stay that way. I can understand maybe taxes or something jumping it up a buck or two but $37 more than MSRP??? That is stupid

aj

I don't understand even marking it up a buck or two. MSRP is MSRP. The whole point behind Pete's Monster series is the #13. To add to that.. $100 for two sticks is just plain STUPID. I would NEVER pay $50 for something that's going to become ash... No matter HOW good it was.
Scott

[RightAJ]

Originally Posted by poriggity

I don't understand even marking it up a buck or two. MSRP is MSRP. The whole point behind Pete's Monster series is the #13. To add to that.. $100 for two sticks is just plain STUPID. I would NEVER pay $50 for something that's going to become ash... No matter HOW good it was.
Scott

Totally agree. The only exception may be a Dunhill or Davidoff vintage CC but even then not sure I'd wanna shell out $50

[Brooks W]

Originally Posted by poriggity

To add to that.. $100 for two sticks is just plain STUPID. I would NEVER pay $50 for something that's going to become ash... No matter HOW good it was.
Scott

LOL you are talking to the wrong guy!



~brooks

[poriggity]

Originally Posted by Brooks W

LOL you are talking to the wrong guy!



~brooks

Yeah, I know how you roll Brooks! I read your blog all the time! l I think you are definetly filling a niche that needed to be filled! Very cool that you focus on rare or expensive sticks. Wish I could afford to do that LOL!
Scott

[Brooks W]

Originally Posted by poriggity

Yeah, I know how you roll Brooks! I read your blog all the time! l I think you are definetly filling a niche that needed to be filled! Very cool that you focus on rare or expensive sticks. Wish I could afford to do that LOL!
Scott

Wish I could too

~brooks

[poriggity]

Originally Posted by Brooks W

Wish I could too

~brooks

Well, you make it look easy!

[Starz26]

Originally Posted by poriggity

New Havana lost my business for the way they held the scavenger hunt and pulled boxes OUT of people's carts WHILE they were in the midst of checking out...

For the record NHC did not PULL THEM OUT of the carts. The goal of the hunt was to randomly place them within other Tat products. Inventory of 1 box at a time. It would appear for a minute or so and then dissapear and reappear somewhere else.

The site has real time inventory. What happened is people posted the link to the product thus bypassing the need to Hunt for it. The allowed many people to get them at the same time. the real time inventory took over and ensured that you did not place and order for something that was not available.

The idea for this hunt gave everyone a fair shot and was supposed to make it fun. Of all the ideas that are out there with the current release, I think this was the most creative. I give Dan props for that. Also, one he realized what was going on he took steps to fix it by changing the product code so that you could not just refresh your screen.

So before you go spreading bad blood toward a retailer that has a great reputation, please think a little about what may be going on. Dan and Pete both had the best interests in mind. The fast moving resources of the internet forums took over and botched the execution.

[chenvt]

botched execution seems to be a theme..

And was the "scavenger hunt" based on random luck whether or not one would appear? Why not do a lottery and save people the time? Oh yeah, so there can be some additional sales from folks looking around.. Smart from a business standpoint