Mikes Cigars loses Oliva.

rrplasencia · 02-24-2009, 12:08 PM

I searched forum but if this was posted already please close.

Oliva pulled Mike's Cigars account after two warnings to sell the Oliva lines closer to msrp. The third strike came when Oliva Sr. was looking through a mikes catalog and saw an Oliva sampler at half msrp. So they pulled the $500,000.00 account.

I can respect them looking out for local b&m's not being run out of business by the internet giants.

02-24-2009, 12:15 PM

thats awesome. can i give them RG?

borndead1 · 02-24-2009, 12:18 PM

Wow. They ain't playin' around.

How does something like that work? Does Oliva pull all the stock that Mike's has or just stop selling to them?

NCRadioMan · 02-24-2009, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by borndead1

Wow. They ain't playin' around.

How does something like that work? Does Oliva pull all the stock that Mike's has or just stop selling to them?

Just stop selling to them. They can't pull stock that has already been paid for. As a retailer, you have to sign a contract saying you will not do this type thing or the account could be pulled. However, there are other distributors that you can get cigars from but it will cost a little bit more.

GrtndpwrflOZ · 02-24-2009, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SixPackSunday

thats awesome. can i give them RG?

Whom? Mike's Cigars or Oliva?

"THAT'S AWESOME" ????? Yeah, if you're a retailer.

If you could find smokes for close to 1/2 the MSRP wouldn't you think it's AWESOME?

Yazzie · 02-24-2009, 12:25 PM

Really, If I can get my V's at 1/2 price then that's a good deal for me. I'm not all that concerned with the B&M's

NCRadioMan · 02-24-2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Yazzie

Really, If I can get my V's at 1/2 price then that's a good deal for me. I'm not all that concerned with the B&M's

That's very selfish of you.

I, for one, am glad this can happen because it helps protect my job.

doctorcue · 02-24-2009, 02:52 PM

I do think that manufacturers have the right to protect their brand. If one place sells WAY cheap it devalues their line. Also, I'm sure there was a contractual price when Mike's started carrying the Oliva line.

Chalk this up as a win for B&Ms everywhere. I don't mind paying more for smokes; this is a luxury. I don't NEED cigars; I choose to smoke them.

TripleF · 02-25-2009, 06:46 AM

from Yazzie:

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Really, If I can get my V's at 1/2 price then that's a good deal for me. I'm not all that concerned with the B&M's

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

That's very selfish of you.

I, for one, am glad this can happen because it helps protect my job.

My thoughts exactly.

02-25-2009, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

That's very selfish of you.

I, for one, am glad this can happen because it helps protect my job.

And mine as well. Thanks NCRadioMan!

Pat1075 · 02-25-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

That's very selfish of you.

I, for one, am glad this can happen because it helps protect my job.

Here Here. Thank you.

02-25-2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Yazzie

Really, If I can get my V's at 1/2 price then that's a good deal for me. I'm not all that concerned with the B&M's

You should be concerned. There is a reason that these contracts exist and the cigar makers make cigars that are not to be sold on the internet. And its not that they feel sorry for the poor local B&M guy. Its financial. They need the locals to stay in business its a huge part of their revenue. I understand you personally probably have no local to go to or there is a bunch of a-hole snobs at your local. But prices would skyrocket or many makers would just fold without the locals.

Volusianator · 02-25-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by yazzie

really, if i can get my v's at 1/2 price then that's a good deal for me. I'm not all that concerned with the b&m's

wow

02-25-2009, 10:24 AM

Now, just for discussion sake....I would like to add a few "thoughts"

How would one presume the industry will be affected by:

1) Online forums such as this....where much of the "cigar socialization" is occuring

2) Smoking by-laws that prohibit the use of tobacco products in public places (including B&Ms)

3) Increasing taxation on physical B&M stock

4) the Economic Downturn and how it affects sales of luxery items

5) The frequent witness of poor conditions in B&Ms (now this is largely speculation....the last 3 B&Ms I was at [from a total of 5] had a majority of the product affected by mold.

I love the concept of market protectionism....I think everyone's livelihood should be protected. But, at some point, the "turning tide" should probably be addressed. Maybe the B&M will have to re-invent itself if it wants to survive. At some point, customers shouldn't be expected to bouy up a failing market paradigm in order to artificially resuscitate it....when a superior model, more in keeping with the new world reality, exists.

Just my 2 cents

(This post would work equally well in the current B&M vs Internet thread as well)

Cyanide

Volt · 02-24-2009, 12:21 PM

Who is Mikes Cigars?

Stick · 02-24-2009, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Volt

Who is Mikes Cigars?

www.mikescigars.com
Posted via Mobile Device

ucla695 · 02-24-2009, 03:03 PM

The B&Ms got two warnings and should have known better, but it’s a loss for the consumer

Sauer Grapes · 02-24-2009, 03:09 PM

I don't see anything close to half msrp on their site...

02-24-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sauer Grapes

I don't see anything close to half msrp on their site...

I think he is talking about this..

https://www.mikescigars.com/ProductD...-SAMPLER/29260

houdini · 02-24-2009, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by calhounhusker

I think he is talking about this..

https://www.mikescigars.com/ProductD...-SAMPLER/29260

Good deal too!

02-24-2009, 12:08 PM	#1
rrplasencia monica lewinsky Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Richard Location: Miami Posts: 1,827 Trading: (55)	Mikes Cigars loses Oliva. I searched forum but if this was posted already please close. Oliva pulled Mike's Cigars account after two warnings to sell the Oliva lines closer to msrp. The third strike came when Oliva Sr. was looking through a mikes catalog and saw an Oliva sampler at half msrp. So they pulled the $500,000.00 account. I can respect them looking out for local b&m's not being run out of business by the internet giants. __________________ "Merica, Back to Back World War Champs." -Cloyd Rivers

02-24-2009, 12:15 PM	#2
SixPackSunday Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Mikes Cigars loses Oliva. thats awesome. can i give them RG?

02-24-2009, 12:18 PM	#3
borndead1 Ayatollah of Rock n Rolla Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Lancaster, CA Posts: 1,321 Trading: (7)	Re: Mikes Cigars loses Oliva. Wow. They ain't playin' around. How does something like that work? Does Oliva pull all the stock that Mike's has or just stop selling to them?

02-24-2009, 12:25 PM	#6
Yazzie Have My Own Room Join Date: Nov 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Longhorn Country Posts: 1,674 Trading: (10)	Re: Mikes Cigars loses Oliva. Really, If I can get my V's at 1/2 price then that's a good deal for me. I'm not all that concerned with the B&M's

02-24-2009, 02:52 PM	#8
doctorcue BABOTL - VP of Drinking Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Danny Location: Rancho Cordova, CA Posts: 331 Trading: (2)	Re: Mikes Cigars loses Oliva. I do think that manufacturers have the right to protect their brand. If one place sells WAY cheap it devalues their line. Also, I'm sure there was a contractual price when Mike's started carrying the Oliva line. Chalk this up as a win for B&Ms everywhere. I don't mind paying more for smokes; this is a luxury. I don't NEED cigars; I choose to smoke them. __________________ Raiders, A's, Warriors.

02-25-2009, 10:24 AM	#14
Cyanide Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Mikes Cigars loses Oliva. Now, just for discussion sake....I would like to add a few "thoughts" How would one presume the industry will be affected by: 1) Online forums such as this....where much of the "cigar socialization" is occuring 2) Smoking by-laws that prohibit the use of tobacco products in public places (including B&Ms) 3) Increasing taxation on physical B&M stock 4) the Economic Downturn and how it affects sales of luxery items 5) The frequent witness of poor conditions in B&Ms (now this is largely speculation....the last 3 B&Ms I was at [from a total of 5] had a majority of the product affected by mold. I love the concept of market protectionism....I think everyone's livelihood should be protected. But, at some point, the "turning tide" should probably be addressed. Maybe the B&M will have to re-invent itself if it wants to survive. At some point, customers shouldn't be expected to bouy up a failing market paradigm in order to artificially resuscitate it....when a superior model, more in keeping with the new world reality, exists. Just my 2 cents (This post would work equally well in the current B&M vs Internet thread as well) Cyanide

02-24-2009, 12:21 PM	#15
Volt I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,799 Trading: (19)	Re: Mikes Cigars loses Oliva. Who is Mikes Cigars? __________________ Curing the infection... One bullet at a time.

02-24-2009, 03:03 PM	#17
ucla695 Neither here, nor there Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Pool Posts: 3,696 Trading: (5)	Re: Mikes Cigars loses Oliva. The B&Ms got two warnings and should have known better, but it’s a loss for the consumer

02-24-2009, 03:09 PM	#18
Sauer Grapes Snatchin' yo people up Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,235 Trading: (44)	Re: Mikes Cigars loses Oliva. I don't see anything close to half msrp on their site...