is it wrong to withold a source?

02-17-2009, 04:07 PM

i'm not even talking about CC's in this case. some other person on another forum saw me post about opus being in stock locally and the issue i have is that i've had sources ruined just as recent as 2 months ago by people i don't personally know but ran into and told them where get some HTF's. i had a local source who use to hook me up and call me every time something came in and charge me a reasonable price. i gave this source to a few people to get a few things and it turns out one of them runs a website selling opus and other HTF's for huge amounts and now the source doesn't even call me because the other guy will pay 20$ for a single robusto opus.

so what do i do when someone asks me who i don't know? i tell them i'd rather not out of protection of my source but they get mad and tell me i have a poor attitude. yet they have hardly any posts or reputation on the forums and just expect me to trust them 100%. is that right? am i caring to much about this? i got called a f-stick recently for politely declining to tell the party where i get them from now and i've never even met or seen this guy on the forums. thoughts? doesn't the same apply to CC sources? BTW, this person is not on these forums.

02-17-2009, 04:13 PM

If I had a source and someone wanted it, it all depends. But I would not worry one bit if I said no and was called names, I don't even know them so why care. So no it is not wrong.

hotreds · 02-17-2009, 04:14 PM

No- it's up to you to do with your source what you want. If the guy calls you names for doing so that only proves how right you were not to give it up. On the other hand- and I'm not saying you do or did this- some BOTLs really need to cool their jets about bragging about their latest pick-ups- esp. with CCs. After all, these ARE illegal here- and in theory should not be any anyone's hands that lives in the USA.

But- to answer your question succinctly: No.

GKitty · 02-17-2009, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotreds

No- it's up to you to do with your source what you want. If the guy calls you names for doing so that only proves how right you were not to give it up.

Footbag · 02-17-2009, 04:25 PM

Nothing wrong at all with it, especially if stock qty. is an issue.

Smokin Gator · 02-17-2009, 04:29 PM

If it were me... yes... you would be wrong to withhold said source. Otherwise, no, it would be fine. Plus, if they throw down a name then you know you did right.

02-17-2009, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smokin Gator

If it were me... yes... you would be wrong to withhold said source. Otherwise, no, it would be fine. Plus, if they throw down a name they you know you did right.

i have no problems sharing sources with you if you asked. i know you or at least i know of you and your amazing BBQ

zmancbr · 02-17-2009, 04:32 PM

I think you have every right to not share sources in that case. The HTF fuente stuff is HTF for a reason and some joe off the street should not expect to get something just handed to him without earning it through reputation.

If he called you some nice choice names, then he proved you right for not giving him the source!

02-17-2009, 04:33 PM

It is only wrong if you are withholding your source from me.

Otherwise, your source is your source.

02-17-2009, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotreds

No- it's up to you to do with your source what you want. If the guy calls you names for doing so that only proves how right you were not to give it up.

Now, witholding info from your fellow inmates is subject to scrutiny, of course....

RevSmoke · 02-17-2009, 04:33 PM

That is kind of like fishing holes. I might take someone there, but I don't just give secrets away.

I told one guy about a great quiet little stream. I get there one day, my day off no less - and there he is with three of his buddies. He gives me the, "Hey Todd, um, sorry to say this, but we were here first. You're going to need to find a different spot."

We were talking later about some walleye fishing. He asked where I was fishing. I told him, "Oh, a local lake."

"Which one?" he asks.

I simply smiled and said, "Hey, I had to work to discover it myself, and I only get one day off a week. You have two. Do a little trial and error."

He called me some names too.

Just smile.

Smokin Gator · 02-17-2009, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RevSmoke

That is kind of like fishing holes. I might take someone there, but I don't just give secrets away.

I told one guy about a great quiet little stream. I get there one day, my day off no less - and there he is with three of his buddies. He gives me the, "Hey Todd, um, sorry to say this, but we were here first. You're going to need to find a different spot."

We were talking later about some walleye fishing. He asked where I was fishing. I told him, "Oh, a local lake."

"Which one?" he asks.

I simply smiled and said, "Hey, I had to work to discover it myself, and I only get one day off a week. You have two. Do a little trial and error."

He called me some names too.

Just smile.

Exactly... I have a very nearly same story when I was guiding. This one was on TV and I went back to the spot and saw the camera man in the spot. I nearly jumped off of my boat and strangled him.

M1903A1 · 02-17-2009, 04:41 PM

It's your source, you did the legwork to find it. And, a source is "unequal information", if you will...it's valuable because it's not common. Once others start to know it, it declines in value fast.

Why should you be under any obligation to give it up to just anybody? That's like giving away money to a stranger. You worked for it, why should you just give it away?

Skywalker · 02-17-2009, 04:41 PM

As long as you share them with me and no one else... I won't call you names!!!

Seriously, your sources are yours to give or keep!!! Name calling is for the immature!!!

karmaz00 · 02-17-2009, 04:43 PM

i would have no problem sharing sources....but some are better left unsaid

68TriShield · 02-17-2009, 04:45 PM

I'd would not withhold from a friend/BOTL.
It's obvious that you sell some cigars,most of your comments are from buyers.All positive comments I might add

I personally have bought some things from you in the past and was always happy with the transaction,so that's not a issue at all.
I'm just curious if your trading plays into your question.

Please don't answer if you don't want to my friend

02-17-2009, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karmaz00

i would have no problem sharing sources....but some are better left unsaid

you would share sources with someone you've never met or someone who is a total newb with minimal participation in the community?

as stated above, i have no problems giving these sources out to people i know i can trust.

tunes · 02-17-2009, 04:48 PM

I recently asked a member of this forum for a source for some cc’s. Having never purchased them before, I was a little reluctant. Being new to this site and all, I also told them that I fully understood if they didn’t want to offer any assistance. As it turned out, they were more than happy to oblige. Had they not, I wouldn’t have started a rant or name calling. So I guess what I’m saying is it’s all up to you and how you feel about the person that’s asking - hindsight, after the name calling, you did the right thing! God I love this place.

you can always point them to CI...

02-17-2009, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68TriShield

I'd would not withhold from a friend/BOTL.
It's obvious that you sell some cigars,most of your comments are from buyers.All positive comments I might add

I personally have bought some things from you in the past and was always happy with the transaction,so that's not a issue at all.
I'm just curious if your trading plays into your question.

Please don't answer if you don't want to my friend

i would answer but call me slow, i don't really follow your question

it's not direct enough for my young brain to process.

02-17-2009, 05:11 PM

I work in a field where I get alot of opportunities to work 24 hour shifts in small towns on the weekends for thousands of dollars a shift (which helps to pay off my education bills and keep my family from wanting). During the week, I work at a military clinic. I was recently asked by one of my fellow military clinicians at the military clinic where I worked on the weekends. I told him. Next thing I know, I find he is working the shifts that used to by mine to pick up; further, he has trumped up a bogus reason why he can't leave on taskings during the week and told this to our commanding officer. Now, I am getting tasked all over the place, am missing out on many weekend shifts because I am gone and he is fully benefitting financially from this.

So, once bitten, twice shy. If the other person has not earned access to that "special information" then you are likely harming yourself with no chance of reciprocation by giving out the information. If the person gets angry, then likely they would never have earned access to that information (and probably would never deserve it). If they graciously accept the decline, then they may, at a later date, earn that information.

So, not telling them, is completely legit, without a relationship of trust existing prior.

Thats just my view

John

02-17-2009, 04:07 PM	#1
barbourjay Guest Posts: n/a	is it wrong to withold a source? i'm not even talking about CC's in this case. some other person on another forum saw me post about opus being in stock locally and the issue i have is that i've had sources ruined just as recent as 2 months ago by people i don't personally know but ran into and told them where get some HTF's. i had a local source who use to hook me up and call me every time something came in and charge me a reasonable price. i gave this source to a few people to get a few things and it turns out one of them runs a website selling opus and other HTF's for huge amounts and now the source doesn't even call me because the other guy will pay 20$ for a single robusto opus. so what do i do when someone asks me who i don't know? i tell them i'd rather not out of protection of my source but they get mad and tell me i have a poor attitude. yet they have hardly any posts or reputation on the forums and just expect me to trust them 100%. is that right? am i caring to much about this? i got called a f-stick recently for politely declining to tell the party where i get them from now and i've never even met or seen this guy on the forums. thoughts? doesn't the same apply to CC sources? BTW, this person is not on these forums.

02-17-2009, 04:13 PM	#2
piperman Guest Posts: n/a	Re: is it wrong to withold a source? If I had a source and someone wanted it, it all depends. But I would not worry one bit if I said no and was called names, I don't even know them so why care. So no it is not wrong.

02-17-2009, 04:14 PM	#3
hotreds Ephesians 2:8 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5 miles past "Resume Speed" Posts: 11,658 Trading: (63)	Re: is it wrong to withold a source? No- it's up to you to do with your source what you want. If the guy calls you names for doing so that only proves how right you were not to give it up. On the other hand- and I'm not saying you do or did this- some BOTLs really need to cool their jets about bragging about their latest pick-ups- esp. with CCs. After all, these ARE illegal here- and in theory should not be any anyone's hands that lives in the USA. But- to answer your question succinctly: No. __________________ God loves you so much, that he made you read this, just to let you know.

02-17-2009, 04:25 PM	#5
Footbag I Need My Space Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Adam Location: NEPA Posts: 1,216 Trading: (7)	Re: is it wrong to withold a source? Nothing wrong at all with it, especially if stock qty. is an issue.

02-17-2009, 04:29 PM	#6
Smokin Gator Just plain insane! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Swamp Posts: 6,237 Trading: (106)	Re: is it wrong to withold a source? If it were me... yes... you would be wrong to withhold said source. Otherwise, no, it would be fine. Plus, if they throw down a name then you know you did right. __________________ Check out the Cigar Asylum Newbie Sampler Trade Last edited by Smokin Gator; 02-17-2009 at 04:35 PM.

02-17-2009, 04:32 PM	#8
zmancbr CERTIFIED THREAD KILLER!! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Zach Location: Color Red Posts: 1,692 Trading: (41)	Re: is it wrong to withold a source? I think you have every right to not share sources in that case. The HTF fuente stuff is HTF for a reason and some joe off the street should not expect to get something just handed to him without earning it through reputation. If he called you some nice choice names, then he proved you right for not giving him the source!

02-17-2009, 04:33 PM	#9
Stogieboy Guest Posts: n/a	Re: is it wrong to withold a source? It is only wrong if you are withholding your source from me. Otherwise, your source is your source.

02-17-2009, 04:33 PM	#11
RevSmoke Ain't Never Gonna Leave Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Todd Location: Northcentral woods of Wisconsin Posts: 6,807 Trading: (51)	Re: is it wrong to withold a source? That is kind of like fishing holes. I might take someone there, but I don't just give secrets away. I told one guy about a great quiet little stream. I get there one day, my day off no less - and there he is with three of his buddies. He gives me the, "Hey Todd, um, sorry to say this, but we were here first. You're going to need to find a different spot." We were talking later about some walleye fishing. He asked where I was fishing. I told him, "Oh, a local lake." "Which one?" he asks. I simply smiled and said, "Hey, I had to work to discover it myself, and I only get one day off a week. You have two. Do a little trial and error." He called me some names too. Just smile. __________________ Todd__ "Smoke what you like, and enjoy it!"

02-17-2009, 04:41 PM	#13
M1903A1 Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 1060 W. Addison Posts: 1,573 Trading: (4)	Re: is it wrong to withold a source? It's your source, you did the legwork to find it. And, a source is "unequal information", if you will...it's valuable because it's not common. Once others start to know it, it declines in value fast. Why should you be under any obligation to give it up to just anybody? That's like giving away money to a stranger. You worked for it, why should you just give it away? __________________ "It's the cigars that bring us together, but it's the people that cause us to stay."

02-17-2009, 04:41 PM	#14
Skywalker BABOTL Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dice Location: Galaxy Far Far Away Posts: 10,168 Trading: (18)	Re: is it wrong to withold a source? As long as you share them with me and no one else... I won't call you names!!! Seriously, your sources are yours to give or keep!!! Name calling is for the immature!!! __________________ Smoke what you like!!!

02-17-2009, 04:43 PM	#15
karmaz00 Habanos Join Date: Dec 2008 First Name: Jason Location: victoria Posts: 1,855 Trading: (1)	Re: is it wrong to withold a source? i would have no problem sharing sources....but some are better left unsaid __________________ Habanos Collector Since 2003

02-17-2009, 04:45 PM	#16
68TriShield Got Torque? Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dave Location: Maryland Posts: 7,184 Trading: (40)	Re: is it wrong to withold a source? I'd would not withhold from a friend/BOTL. It's obvious that you sell some cigars,most of your comments are from buyers.All positive comments I might add I personally have bought some things from you in the past and was always happy with the transaction,so that's not a issue at all. I'm just curious if your trading plays into your question. Please don't answer if you don't want to my friend

02-17-2009, 04:48 PM	#18
tunes Still Watching My Back Join Date: Feb 2009 First Name: Bruce Location: East of the Mississippi Posts: 220 Trading: (3)	Re: is it wrong to withold a source? I recently asked a member of this forum for a source for some cc’s. Having never purchased them before, I was a little reluctant. Being new to this site and all, I also told them that I fully understood if they didn’t want to offer any assistance. As it turned out, they were more than happy to oblige. Had they not, I wouldn’t have started a rant or name calling. So I guess what I’m saying is it’s all up to you and how you feel about the person that’s asking - hindsight, after the name calling, you did the right thing! God I love this place. you can always point them to CI... __________________ What if the Hokey Pokey really is what it's all about?

02-17-2009, 05:11 PM	#20
Cyanide Guest Posts: n/a	Re: is it wrong to withold a source? I work in a field where I get alot of opportunities to work 24 hour shifts in small towns on the weekends for thousands of dollars a shift (which helps to pay off my education bills and keep my family from wanting). During the week, I work at a military clinic. I was recently asked by one of my fellow military clinicians at the military clinic where I worked on the weekends. I told him. Next thing I know, I find he is working the shifts that used to by mine to pick up; further, he has trumped up a bogus reason why he can't leave on taskings during the week and told this to our commanding officer. Now, I am getting tasked all over the place, am missing out on many weekend shifts because I am gone and he is fully benefitting financially from this. So, once bitten, twice shy. If the other person has not earned access to that "special information" then you are likely harming yourself with no chance of reciprocation by giving out the information. If the person gets angry, then likely they would never have earned access to that information (and probably would never deserve it). If they graciously accept the decline, then they may, at a later date, earn that information. So, not telling them, is completely legit, without a relationship of trust existing prior. Thats just my view John