Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...

the jiggler · 04-10-2012, 12:53 PM

The short:

Does anyone else ever avoid buying (or even smoking) a cigar specifically of because of some negative, personal association you have with the name (cigar or brand)?

The long:

I am sure most would admit that they have tried a cigar solely because the name or label resonated with them for some reason. I mean who doesn't want to try a MUWAT just becuase it has the word Uzi in it? If someone made a cigar called Appetite for Destruction, I would buy a fiver on principle alone. What I am interested in is sort of the opposite of this effect. Avoiding a cigar solely because of the name or the label regardless of the amount of positive press it gets.

Trying to not come off sounding like a nut job...I wonder if I am the only one (willing to admit it publicly) that avoids trying certain cigars because of what they are called. As an example, I avoid cigars with names like Devil's Weed, Warlock, Vudu, Ghurka's Evil or even Illusione's Illusione 2 and Crowned of Thorns because of the names. As a Christian (my hypocrisy knows no bounds), I am just uncomfortable smoking something called Evil.

Or take Swag. The word swag is so over used by my kids and kids of friends that I won't smoke one because I am sick of the word even though a good buddy and fellow member of this board really likes and highly recommends them.

I could go on but we'd quickly get into deep down places I don't like to talk about at parties.

Anybody else with me?

RWhisenand · 04-10-2012, 01:03 PM

Not to come off sounding like a jerk, but Uzi is acceptible, but Illusione isn't?

FWIW, I don't like what I precieve as overly marketed (priced) cigars such as Gurkas. I feel like I've been taken if I overpay for a particular smoke. With that said I don't mind paying for quality, and a smoke I enjoy.

smitty81 · 04-10-2012, 01:07 PM

Who cares, they are only words. It's the taste that matters.
I'd smoke cigars called goat turds if they tasted good.

HollywoodQue · 04-10-2012, 01:12 PM

I can understand your trend of thought. As an example, when I pledged my fraternity, my Dean's line name was Son of Satan. In return, since my line would be his last line to be the Dean of, my line name became..."The Last Seven Sons of Satan".. I refused to put the word Satan on any of my line clothes...so it became.."The Last Seven Sons".

If a name makes you uncomfortable, who are us to judge? Smoke what you like and like what you smoke.

keith_mahoney · 04-10-2012, 01:14 PM

Ha, I actually have a negative feelings about MUWAT ever since I first saw it. It just comes across as a stupid gimmick trying to cash in on kids thinking it's so cool to be gangsta.
Cigars bring peace and relaxation to my mind. I like to read a book and sit back and sip on some whiskey and water not slam some fotey's while raw-dogging some randoms.

Hem · 04-10-2012, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty81

Who cares, they are only words. It's the taste that matters.
I'd smoke cigars called goat turds if they tasted good.

LOL! Agreed. I'm sure some of us smoke something another would call a "goat turd" that we enjoy...it is what it is.

landhoney · 04-10-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by keith_mahoney

not slam some fotey's while raw-dogging some randoms.

Huh?

TJtorpedo · 04-10-2012, 01:24 PM

I personally don't let names and labels dictate what I choose to buy. That goes well beyond cigars, and extends into just about any consumer product out there. Some people only buy Sony TVs, some only drive American cars, some people won't buy stuff made in China, and some buy only Apple products (or intentionally avoid Apple products).

I think a lot of what you see with cigars is a carefully constructed marketing campaign to get you to buy them, as well they probably should, since the boutique cigar market is getting crowded. Some cigar manufacturers will spend a fortune making a "cool looking box" a la Gurkha, but the cigars in them aren't very well regarded. And some, such as Illusione, use an overall theme to their line of cigars.

The beauty part is, you get to decide to buy what you want or feel comfortable with.

pnoon · 04-10-2012, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by landhoney

Huh?

It's not English, Seth.
You can check urbandictonary.com for a translation.
I know I had to.
Posted via Mobile Device

Bill86 · 04-10-2012, 01:33 PM

Did anyone else think of George Carlin based on the title?

To answer your question, me I don't want to try a MUWAT. I don't care how fancy of a name they give the cigar it certainly won't sway me into purchasing one. However it might completely turn me off of ever buying them.

smitty81 · 04-10-2012, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill86

Did anyone else think of George Carlin based on the title?

To answer your question, me I don't want to try a MUWAT. I don't care how fancy of a name they give the cigar it certainly won't sway me into purchasing one. However it might completely turn me off of ever buying them.

So if someone sent you some MUWAT sticks that were un-banded in a trade and you thought they were one of the best cigars you have ever had, Your telling me that you wouldnt buy anymore after you had found out what they were based upon the name of the cigar?

keith_mahoney · 04-10-2012, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty81

So if someone sent you some MUWAT sticks that were un-banded in a trade and you thought they were one of the best cigars you have ever had, Your telling me that you wouldnt buy anymore after you had found out what they were based upon the name of the cigar?

I know this question wasn't directed at me, but since I am also avoiding these I will give you me answer.

If someone gifted me one even with a band on it, I would try it and give it a fair shake. What I won't do is go out of my way to spend my money on something which seems to be a gimmick.

smitty81 · 04-10-2012, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by keith_mahoney

I know this question wasn't directed at me, but since I am also avoiding these I will give you me answer.

If someone gifted me one even with a band on it, I would try it and give it a fair shake. What I won't do is go out of my way to spend my money on something which seems to be a gimmick.

Well I can appreciate that. I just don't understand people that won't even try a cigar based on it's name. If you smoked one and liked it, what difference does it make what the name of the cigar is?

T.G · 04-10-2012, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smitty81

Who cares, they are only words. It's the taste that matters.
I'd smoke cigars called goat turds if they tasted good.

Agreed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by smitty81

So if someone sent you some MUWAT sticks that were un-banded in a trade and you thought they were one of the best cigars you have ever had, Your telling me that you wouldnt buy anymore after you had found out what they were based upon the name of the cigar?

Relax Josh, Bill didn't say _why_ he had no interest in the MUWAT, it might have nothing all to do with the name. All he did say that the name alone wouldn't convince him to buy it.

smitty81 · 04-10-2012, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by T.G

Agreed.

Relax Josh, Bill didn't say _why_ he had no interest in the MUWAT, it might have nothing all to do with the name. All he did say that the name alone wouldn't convince him to buy it.

He kind of did say it was because of the name unless I am not understanding him correctly.

Quote:

I don't care how fancy of a name they give the cigar it certainly won't sway me into purchasing one. However it might completely turn me off of ever buying them.

Don't take what I said the wrong way. I'm not upset or trying to start a fight. Just friendly discussion

Dave128 · 04-10-2012, 02:11 PM

I bought a MUWAT. I may even smoke the darn thing this summer. I really have no trouble with the names of the cigars I buy and/or smoke. If I smoke them and like them, I'll buy more.

T.G · 04-10-2012, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty81

Don't take what I said the wrong way. I'm not upset or trying to start a fight. Just friendly discussion

Understood.

Honestly, the biggest complaint I've heard about the MUWAT isn't the name, it's the size, 60rg, that turns people off.

smitty81 · 04-10-2012, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by T.G

Understood.

Honestly, the biggest complaint I've heard about the MUWAT isn't the name, it's the size, 60rg, that turns people off.

I can respect that, I'm not a fan of the big rg sizes either.

kaisersozei · 04-10-2012, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the jiggler

I avoid cigars with names like Devil's Weed, Warlock, Vudu, Ghurka's Evil or even Illusione's Illusione 2 and Crowned of Thorns because of the names. As a Christian (my hypocrisy knows no bounds), I am just uncomfortable smoking something called Evil.

Just to clarify, Dion wrote something a while back explaining his naming conventions for the illusione line. On the ~2~ he said:

"No explanation here is really needed. 2 is the son of God doing battle against evil, the enlightened one, the soul-saver, all forgiving."

So you're probably safe with ~2~... Now, ~1~ "The Dark Prince" OTOH, is another story

icehog3 · 04-10-2012, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smitty81

Who cares, they are only words. It's the taste that matters.
I'd smoke cigars called goat turds if they tasted good.

I would buy a cigar named Goat Turds even if they tasted bad, simply on principle.

04-10-2012, 12:53 PM	#1
the jiggler ¡taste my pirate paddy! Join Date: Dec 2011 First Name: Craig Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 917 Trading: (24)	Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar... The short: Does anyone else ever avoid buying (or even smoking) a cigar specifically of because of some negative, personal association you have with the name (cigar or brand)? The long: I am sure most would admit that they have tried a cigar solely because the name or label resonated with them for some reason. I mean who doesn't want to try a MUWAT just becuase it has the word Uzi in it? If someone made a cigar called Appetite for Destruction, I would buy a fiver on principle alone. What I am interested in is sort of the opposite of this effect. Avoiding a cigar solely because of the name or the label regardless of the amount of positive press it gets. Trying to not come off sounding like a nut job...I wonder if I am the only one (willing to admit it publicly) that avoids trying certain cigars because of what they are called. As an example, I avoid cigars with names like Devil's Weed, Warlock, Vudu, Ghurka's Evil or even Illusione's Illusione 2 and Crowned of Thorns because of the names. As a Christian (my hypocrisy knows no bounds), I am just uncomfortable smoking something called Evil. Or take Swag. The word swag is so over used by my kids and kids of friends that I won't smoke one because I am sick of the word even though a good buddy and fellow member of this board really likes and highly recommends them. I could go on but we'd quickly get into deep down places I don't like to talk about at parties. Anybody else with me? __________________ Hecho exclusivamente para el jefe. Support the Troop Support Contest 2014!!!

04-10-2012, 01:03 PM	#2
RWhisenand Feeling at Home Join Date: Aug 2011 First Name: Rob Location: Nevada Posts: 798 Trading: (7)	Re: Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar... Not to come off sounding like a jerk, but Uzi is acceptible, but Illusione isn't? FWIW, I don't like what I precieve as overly marketed (priced) cigars such as Gurkas. I feel like I've been taken if I overpay for a particular smoke. With that said I don't mind paying for quality, and a smoke I enjoy. __________________ No function well beer without.

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smitty81 Have My Own Room Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 1,640 Trading: (10)	Re: Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar... Who cares, they are only words. It's the taste that matters. I'd smoke cigars called goat turds if they tasted good.

04-10-2012, 01:12 PM	#4
HollywoodQue Invictus Join Date: Oct 2010 First Name: Howard Location: In the "D" Posts: 3,119 Trading: (46)	Re: Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar... I can understand your trend of thought. As an example, when I pledged my fraternity, my Dean's line name was Son of Satan. In return, since my line would be his last line to be the Dean of, my line name became..."The Last Seven Sons of Satan".. I refused to put the word Satan on any of my line clothes...so it became.."The Last Seven Sons". If a name makes you uncomfortable, who are us to judge? Smoke what you like and like what you smoke. __________________

04-10-2012, 01:14 PM	#5
keith_mahoney Still Watching My Back Join Date: Feb 2012 First Name: Keith Location: Ewa Beach Posts: 65 Trading: (0)	Re: Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar... Ha, I actually have a negative feelings about MUWAT ever since I first saw it. It just comes across as a stupid gimmick trying to cash in on kids thinking it's so cool to be gangsta. Cigars bring peace and relaxation to my mind. I like to read a book and sit back and sip on some whiskey and water not slam some fotey's while raw-dogging some randoms.

04-10-2012, 01:24 PM	#8
TJtorpedo Feeling at Home Join Date: Feb 2012 First Name: Tim Location: Midlothian, VA Posts: 600 Trading: (4)	Re: Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar... I personally don't let names and labels dictate what I choose to buy. That goes well beyond cigars, and extends into just about any consumer product out there. Some people only buy Sony TVs, some only drive American cars, some people won't buy stuff made in China, and some buy only Apple products (or intentionally avoid Apple products). I think a lot of what you see with cigars is a carefully constructed marketing campaign to get you to buy them, as well they probably should, since the boutique cigar market is getting crowded. Some cigar manufacturers will spend a fortune making a "cool looking box" a la Gurkha, but the cigars in them aren't very well regarded. And some, such as Illusione, use an overall theme to their line of cigars. The beauty part is, you get to decide to buy what you want or feel comfortable with. __________________

04-10-2012, 01:33 PM	#10
Bill86 Snob Join Date: Jul 2010 First Name: Bill Posts: 6,704 Trading: (67)	Re: Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar... Did anyone else think of George Carlin based on the title? To answer your question, me I don't want to try a MUWAT. I don't care how fancy of a name they give the cigar it certainly won't sway me into purchasing one. However it might completely turn me off of ever buying them. __________________ I'm drunk......but I'll get drunker! - Doug Stanhope

04-10-2012, 02:11 PM	#16
Dave128 Sexy Dave Join Date: Feb 2009 First Name: Dave Location: Voorheesville, NY Posts: 3,917 Trading: (4)	Re: Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar... I bought a MUWAT. I may even smoke the darn thing this summer. I really have no trouble with the names of the cigars I buy and/or smoke. If I smoke them and like them, I'll buy more. __________________ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." - Benjamin Franklin I "heart" Boobies and Beer!