Saints accused of "Bounty Program". Thoughts?

BHalbrooks · 03-04-2012, 11:14 PM

Just like the Title says, I'm wondering what the good folks here think about it.

Remo · 03-04-2012, 11:16 PM

Always has been, probably always will be...they just happened to get caught.

jluck · 03-04-2012, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Remo_5_0

Always has been, probably always will be...they just happened to get caught.

X2...In all levels and types of sports.

BHalbrooks · 03-04-2012, 11:37 PM

That's my thoughts. Like with Spygate. They weren't the only teams doing it, just the first to get caught.

Remo · 03-04-2012, 11:40 PM

Bounties may not get spoken out loud from now on, but a few grand in the pocket and a steak dinner can't be beat

taltos · 03-05-2012, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Remo_5_0

Bounties may not get spoken out loud from now on, but a few grand in the pocket and a steak dinner can't be beat

Until the IRS gets involved due to undeclared income. I hope that they get the same hatred that was given the Patriots.

Stephen · 03-05-2012, 06:09 AM

All I know is that some dude's had to have made some coin beating the piss out of Brett Favre a couple of years ago.

Stephen · 03-05-2012, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by taltos

Until the IRS gets involved due to undeclared income.

Yep. That's going to be the biggest fallout from all of this i think.

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Originally Posted by taltos

I hope that they get the same hatred that was given the Patriots.

Spygate and this aren't even in the same league.

E.J. · 03-05-2012, 07:05 AM

I could not care less..... I am sure there will be some significant fines levied by the NFL, but this comes as no surprise. Been going on forever....and will continue to go on.

E.J. · 03-05-2012, 07:08 AM

In High School and College, the bounties are stickers on your helmet... They go out headhunting, leave a few guys withering on the ground, you can bet they'll be adding to their stamp collection. The guys in the NFL just get paid more....

chippewastud79 · 03-05-2012, 07:10 AM

Less than shocked.

forgop · 03-05-2012, 07:14 AM

Listened to Mike and Mike a bit this morning. Over all the "outrage" about how much Warner and Favre got hit, they said there weren't any hits that were illegal.

Subvet642 · 03-05-2012, 07:15 AM

Let's see...people getting paid to intentionally injure someone...sounds like a felony to me. Actually, it sounds like several felonies.

Stephen · 03-05-2012, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Subvet642

Let's see...people getting paid to intentionally injure someone...sounds like a felony to me. Actually, it sounds like several felonies.

Care to explain hockey, boxing, MMA, et al.?

Subvet642 · 03-05-2012, 07:47 AM

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Care to explain hockey, boxing, MMA, et al.?

It all has to do with intent. The object of hockey is not to harm anyone, it is to score more points than your opponent. The object of boxing, like all such sports, is to likewise score more points than the opponent. If the intent is to cause physical harm, then that is a felony. One can't even say that they gave consent to be harmed, because a person cannot legally give that consent. Injuries incidental to a particular sport are accidents, but when someone is targeted for harm...well, what would you call it?

14holestogie · 03-05-2012, 07:48 AM

I think Gregg Williams may need a paper route.

icantbejon · 03-05-2012, 07:50 AM

I think its relatively shady...because they are already getting paid to basically hurt someone so the added incentive seems unneeded. That being said, I'm not even a little bit shocked and not "outraged" as a fan. I realize it's part of the game and that's just how it works.

LockOut · 03-05-2012, 07:59 AM

IMHO...its football. Don't like getting hit, dont play football. Teams would gun for other teams star players if there was money on the line or not. College players do it for a sticker on the helmet. Part of being a good player is taking the extra hit or the cheap shot getting up and continuing to make good plays.

To top it all off I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone who makes what these guys make; and then strikes since it's not good enough.

Stephen · 03-05-2012, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Subvet642

It all has to do with intent. The object of hockey is not to harm anyone, it is to score more points than your opponent. The object of boxing, like all such sports, is to likewise score more points than the opponent. If the intent is to cause physical harm, then that is a felony. One can't even say that they gave consent to be harmed, because a person cannot legally give that consent. Injuries incidental to a particular sport are accidents, but when someone is targeted for harm...well, what would you call it?

1. The object of the game is to win; whether it be hockey, boxing, football, or tiddlywinks. What boxer (unless we're talking about Pretty Boy Floyd) goes in thinking, "gee, I hope to outpoint my opponenet"?

2. If it's done within the confines (rules) of the game, it isn't illegal, period.

3. As much as the league already babies the offense, if anything out of the ordinary was happening on the playing field wouldn't it have been reflected in fines, suspensions, or other penalties?

Sorry, it isn't against the rules to hit someone hard.

03-05-2012, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by taltos

Until the IRS gets involved due to undeclared income. I hope that they get the same hatred that was given the Patriots.

Yeah the steaks and cash would be income for the players, compensation really. Unless they some how can structure it as "meals and entertainment" or some other avoidance measure. I'd imagine it would be a tax deductable business expense for the team though.

03-04-2012, 11:14 PM	#1
BHalbrooks Have My Own Room Join Date: Nov 2011 First Name: B Location: Texas Posts: 1,122 Trading: (5)	Saints accused of "Bounty Program". Thoughts? Just like the Title says, I'm wondering what the good folks here think about it.

03-04-2012, 11:16 PM	#2
Remo C.I.A Join Date: Feb 2011 First Name: Mike Location: Palm Harbor, Florida Posts: 12,597 Trading: (122)	Re: Saints accused of "Bounty Program". Thoughts? Always has been, probably always will be...they just happened to get caught. __________________

03-04-2012, 11:37 PM	#4
BHalbrooks Have My Own Room Join Date: Nov 2011 First Name: B Location: Texas Posts: 1,122 Trading: (5)	Re: Saints accused of "Bounty Program". Thoughts? That's my thoughts. Like with Spygate. They weren't the only teams doing it, just the first to get caught.

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Remo C.I.A Join Date: Feb 2011 First Name: Mike Location: Palm Harbor, Florida Posts: 12,597 Trading: (122)	Re: Saints accused of "Bounty Program". Thoughts? Bounties may not get spoken out loud from now on, but a few grand in the pocket and a steak dinner can't be beat __________________

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Stephen Sultan of Cigars Join Date: Jan 2011 First Name: Stephen Location: Where the Pony Express began and Jesse James ended. Posts: 1,582 Trading: (18)	Re: Saints accused of "Bounty Program". Thoughts? All I know is that some dude's had to have made some coin beating the piss out of Brett Favre a couple of years ago.

03-05-2012, 07:05 AM	#9
E.J. I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,218 Trading: (21)	Re: Saints accused of "Bounty Program". Thoughts? I could not care less..... I am sure there will be some significant fines levied by the NFL, but this comes as no surprise. Been going on forever....and will continue to go on.

03-05-2012, 07:08 AM	#10
E.J. I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,218 Trading: (21)	Re: Saints accused of "Bounty Program". Thoughts? In High School and College, the bounties are stickers on your helmet... They go out headhunting, leave a few guys withering on the ground, you can bet they'll be adding to their stamp collection. The guys in the NFL just get paid more....

03-05-2012, 07:10 AM	#11
chippewastud79 Fatter than you! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Larry Location: A little place called home. Posts: 5,397 Trading: (44)	Re: Saints accused of "Bounty Program". Thoughts? Less than shocked. __________________ If we weren't supposed to eat animals, then how come they're made of meat? You can never have too many cigars, they are like an investment in good times.

03-05-2012, 07:14 AM	#12
forgop Not a puffer Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Duane Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 2,869 Trading: (40)	Re: Saints accused of "Bounty Program". Thoughts? Listened to Mike and Mike a bit this morning. Over all the "outrage" about how much Warner and Favre got hit, they said there weren't any hits that were illegal.

03-05-2012, 07:15 AM	#13
Subvet642 Bilge Rat Join Date: Nov 2009 First Name: Darren Location: Torpedo Room Bilge Posts: 2,997 Trading: (13)	Re: Saints accused of "Bounty Program". Thoughts? Let's see...people getting paid to intentionally injure someone...sounds like a felony to me. Actually, it sounds like several felonies. __________________ *"Man's mind is his basic tool of survival. Life is given to him, survival is not." -John Galt*

03-05-2012, 07:48 AM	#16
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03-05-2012, 07:50 AM	#17
icantbejon Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jon Location: Chester, VA Posts: 1,219 Trading: (10)	Re: Saints accused of "Bounty Program". Thoughts? I think its relatively shady...because they are already getting paid to basically hurt someone so the added incentive seems unneeded. That being said, I'm not even a little bit shocked and not "outraged" as a fan. I realize it's part of the game and that's just how it works. __________________ "Learn to pay attention. Life is hard.....it's even more challenging when you're stupid."

03-05-2012, 07:59 AM	#18
LockOut Burn Baby Burn Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: I'm a traveling monkey Posts: 623 Trading: (12)	Re: Saints accused of "Bounty Program". Thoughts? IMHO...its football. Don't like getting hit, dont play football. Teams would gun for other teams star players if there was money on the line or not. College players do it for a sticker on the helmet. Part of being a good player is taking the extra hit or the cheap shot getting up and continuing to make good plays. To top it all off I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone who makes what these guys make; and then strikes since it's not good enough. __________________ Bráithreachas Thar Gach Ni IAFF Local #4907