NHL '10 - '11 Thread - Page 6

Eleven · 09-11-2010, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody

got mine also this week. Selling half my season. Too hard with work and micahs hockey to make that many games

Any Penguins ticket holders thinking of doing the same, PM me

icehog3 · 09-12-2010, 11:08 PM

Just noticed that some random guy in the "Entourage" intro is wearing a Chicago Wolves jersey.

357 · 09-13-2010, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Barcode

Restricted free-agent center Peter Mueller re-signed with the Colorado Avalanche on Friday, agreeing to a two-year contract.

Hopefully the youth movement will get the AVS back on top of the west.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_yl...lanche-mueller

So did this put them over the minimum cap? I heard on local radio they were in position to not meet the min and had few if any roster spots.

GreekGodX · 09-13-2010, 06:04 PM

NHL coming down on the first Kovalchuk deal..

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Devils penalized over Kovalchuk deal -ESPN.com news services

The New Jersey Devils ended up with Ilya Kovalchuk in the end, but it is costing them more and more.

Since an arbitrator found that the team circumvented the collective bargaining agreement by trying to sign the forward to a front-loaded 17-year, $102 million deal in July, the NHL handed down a penalty on Monday.

The Devils were fined $3 million and must forfeit their third-round draft choice in 2011 and a first-rounder in one of the next four drafts. The team can choose which draft and must tell the league following the conclusion of the Stanley Cup finals in that year.

The Devils will not see their salary cap reduced as a result of the fine.

In a settlement with the league, the Devils were able to sign Kovalchuk to a 15-year, $100 million contract.

Devils general manager Lou Lamoriello issued a statement in response to the ruling.

"We were today advised of the ruling by the Commissioner with respect to the Kovalchuk matter," the statement read. "We disagree with the decision. We acted in good faith and did nothing wrong. We will have no further comment."

The league said in a statement that it now considers the matter closed.

icehog3 · 09-13-2010, 06:12 PM

I thought the deal between the NHLPA and the NHL done a couple weeks ago said there would be no reprisals for the prior deals?

Ahbroody · 09-13-2010, 06:43 PM

Prior deals. This one was still open apparently. Kind of sad that the devils got hit and other teams skated. Glad this was done though. They were abusing the system and its badfor the game.

GreekGodX · 09-13-2010, 08:05 PM

I don't like the ruling. The NHL employs lawyers to prevent loopholes in the collective bargaining, and the Devils took advantage of the lawyers mistakes. I think this is just the NHL trying to blame someone else other than themselves.

The thing I don't get is that the NHL changed the rules of contracts now. So why try and make an example of the team when other teams cannot do this anymore?

E.J. · 09-13-2010, 08:28 PM

Pleased to see the Avs get both Mueller and Stewart signed before camp....

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Originally Posted by 357

So did this put them over the minimum cap? I heard on local radio they were in position to not meet the min and had few if any roster spots.

Nope...think they are just under the minimum.....

For those more knowledgeable than I(not difficult I am sure).... Why 2 years for all the young talent... 2 years for Mueller, Stewart, Yip & Quincey this Summer?

Ahbroody · 09-13-2010, 08:31 PM

Christos

Because part of the terms of the k will be that both parties act in goodfaith under the terms of the k. That also means one party will not attempt to exploit a loophole in the k. That is why there is arbitration also. If one party to the k, here the CBA, feels a party is acting in bad faith they can request the arbitrator review.

An independent arbitrator found that these k's are being done to violate one of the essential terms of the CBA which is the cap. The cap that was put in place to kill dynastys. The cap has done this. These k's are attempting to work around the essential agreement of the CBA. Everyone knows this and its why the arbitrator found badfaith. With badfaith comes punishment.

This isnt a single transaction this is an ongoing k and requires goodfaith in actions from both sides, not one party to go FU I found a loophole and as a result screw what we agreed to I am going to exploit you and undermine the whole intent of our agreement

icehog3 · 09-13-2010, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by E.J.

Pleased to see the Avs get both Mueller and Stewart signed before camp....

Nope...think they are just under the minimum.....

For those more knowledgeable than I(not difficult I am sure).... Why 2 years for all the young talent... 2 years for Mueller, Stewart, Yip & Quincey this Summer?

Perhaps anticipating coming changes in the NHLPA contract?

SmokeyJoe · 09-13-2010, 11:23 PM

My tickets arrived this week!

Looking forward to a great season... let's see if we can wrestle the Cup away from those pesky Blackhawks.

icehog3 · 09-14-2010, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyJoe

My tickets arrived this week!

Looking forward to a great season... let's see if we can wrestle the Cup away from those pesky Blackhawks.

Peksy? Why I oughtta....

GreekGodX · 09-14-2010, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody

Christos

Because part of the terms of the k will be that both parties act in goodfaith under the terms of the k. That also means one party will not attempt to exploit a loophole in the k. That is why there is arbitration also. If one party to the k, here the CBA, feels a party is acting in bad faith they can request the arbitrator review.

An independent arbitrator found that these k's are being done to violate one of the essential terms of the CBA which is the cap. The cap that was put in place to kill dynastys. The cap has done this. These k's are attempting to work around the essential agreement of the CBA. Everyone knows this and its why the arbitrator found badfaith. With badfaith comes punishment.

This isnt a single transaction this is an ongoing k and requires goodfaith in actions from both sides, not one party to go FU I found a loophole and as a result screw what we agreed to I am going to exploit you and undermine the whole intent of our agreement

I get all that but still other teams made similar deals and there was no punishment to them. The league changed the rules now to prevent similar deals. The punishment seems excessive for something the league should have foreseen happening.

Eleven · 09-14-2010, 11:59 AM

I stand behind my assertion that what the Devils did was cheating. The fine and loss of picks seems to confirm that.

Ahbroody · 09-14-2010, 12:10 PM

No argument here, but some orher teams cheated and got away with it.

Ahbroody · 09-15-2010, 12:18 PM

http://www.hockeygiant.com/20100915h...)&utm_content=

More of a classic skate guy, but these are kind of sexy.

357 · 09-15-2010, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody

No argument here, but some orher teams cheated and got away with it.

Cheat: to violate rules or regulations.

The CBA is a document, not some idea floating around in the air. Rules are defined within the document. If the document doesn't explicitly prohibit the terms of said contract, it's not cheating. BTW, this is not an argument based upon symantics. It's how the law works.

It's the GMs jobs to do the best they can within the defined rules. Not the rules as they exist in Bettman's brain, or memory; but as they exist in black and white on the document that is the CBA.

"They cheated" is just whining IMO.

Some GMs were more aggressive at using this lack of legal forsight than others. The Devil's were more aggressive and pissed off Bettman. Subsequintly they got pimped. The Devils should appeal the ruling.

P.S. Please don't take this as an attack, its not. It is also not personal nor meant to cause an argument. I just respectfully disagree with your position.

Ahbroody · 09-15-2010, 02:42 PM

Not going to waste the time debating you. I will refer you to the arbitrators finding and the penalties leveled. Go take it up with him and people with a lot more knowledge and experience on the matter then either of us. I already discussed this above in very basic terms. The Devils did nothing different then the other teams. The league wanted the loophole closed and to set an example. As part of the agreement with the PA they decided to leave the other Ks alone, not because they were different.

As someone with a law degree and a little more knowledge on K law then you I will respectfully disagree and not discuss this with you further. I have no intrest in banging my head against the wall with you again. Sorry its no fun.

I dont know why I cant resist replying when I know its wasted breath, but I guess I am a masochist.

icehog3 · 09-15-2010, 04:12 PM

Everybody chill with an adult beverage and a cigar...Pre-season games start next week.

yourchoice · 09-15-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody

Christos

Because part of the terms of the k will be that both parties act in goodfaith under the terms of the k. That also means one party will not attempt to exploit a loophole in the k. That is why there is arbitration also. If one party to the k, here the CBA, feels a party is acting in bad faith they can request the arbitrator review.

An independent arbitrator found that these k's are being done to violate one of the essential terms of the CBA which is the cap. The cap that was put in place to kill dynastys. The cap has done this. These k's are attempting to work around the essential agreement of the CBA. Everyone knows this and its why the arbitrator found badfaith. With badfaith comes punishment.

This isnt a single transaction this is an ongoing k and requires goodfaith in actions from both sides, not one party to go FU I found a loophole and as a result screw what we agreed to I am going to exploit you and undermine the whole intent of our agreement

Mike, I agree with pretty much everything you said, except what I bolded. IMHO, the cap was put in place to allow, and with the minimum cap, make the smaller markets competitive, creating parity. A byproduct of that is difficulty in creating a dynasty. I don't think the league has a problem with dynasties, but with small markets being uncompetitive.

Semantics? Maybe, but that's how I see it, and I think there's a difference.

09-12-2010, 11:08 PM	#102
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 70,583 Trading: (60)	Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread Just noticed that some random guy in the "Entourage" intro is wearing a Chicago Wolves jersey. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

09-13-2010, 06:12 PM	#105
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 70,583 Trading: (60)	Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread I thought the deal between the NHLPA and the NHL done a couple weeks ago said there would be no reprisals for the prior deals? __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

09-13-2010, 06:43 PM	#106
Ahbroody Daddy x 4 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mike Location: San Jose Posts: 3,708 Trading: (53)	Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread Prior deals. This one was still open apparently. Kind of sad that the devils got hit and other teams skated. Glad this was done though. They were abusing the system and its badfor the game.

09-13-2010, 08:05 PM	#107
GreekGodX Opa!! Join Date: Mar 2009 First Name: Christos Location: 7 Line Posts: 4,893 Trading: (82)	Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread I don't like the ruling. The NHL employs lawyers to prevent loopholes in the collective bargaining, and the Devils took advantage of the lawyers mistakes. I think this is just the NHL trying to blame someone else other than themselves. The thing I don't get is that the NHL changed the rules of contracts now. So why try and make an example of the team when other teams cannot do this anymore? __________________ "If I give a businessman 10,000 francs, what is that to him, he is rich. But if I give him a Cohiba cigar, that is style."-Hotel Rwanda

09-13-2010, 08:31 PM	#109
Ahbroody Daddy x 4 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mike Location: San Jose Posts: 3,708 Trading: (53)	Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread Christos Because part of the terms of the k will be that both parties act in goodfaith under the terms of the k. That also means one party will not attempt to exploit a loophole in the k. That is why there is arbitration also. If one party to the k, here the CBA, feels a party is acting in bad faith they can request the arbitrator review. An independent arbitrator found that these k's are being done to violate one of the essential terms of the CBA which is the cap. The cap that was put in place to kill dynastys. The cap has done this. These k's are attempting to work around the essential agreement of the CBA. Everyone knows this and its why the arbitrator found badfaith. With badfaith comes punishment. This isnt a single transaction this is an ongoing k and requires goodfaith in actions from both sides, not one party to go FU I found a loophole and as a result screw what we agreed to I am going to exploit you and undermine the whole intent of our agreement

09-13-2010, 11:23 PM	#111
SmokeyJoe Chief Wannastogie Lounge Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Joe Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 3,160 Trading: (28)	Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread My tickets arrived this week! Looking forward to a great season... let's see if we can wrestle the Cup away from those pesky Blackhawks. __________________ "I intend to smoke a good cigar to the glory of God..." ~ Charles H. Spurgeon, British Baptist preacher

09-14-2010, 11:59 AM	#114
Eleven Solid As The Sun Join Date: Aug 2009 First Name: Scott Location: SW Ohio Posts: 1,859 Trading: (23)	Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread I stand behind my assertion that what the Devils did was cheating. The fine and loss of picks seems to confirm that. __________________ CA: putting the 'man' in bromance since 2008! --markem.

09-14-2010, 12:10 PM	#115
Ahbroody Daddy x 4 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mike Location: San Jose Posts: 3,708 Trading: (53)	Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread No argument here, but some orher teams cheated and got away with it.

09-15-2010, 12:18 PM	#116
Ahbroody Daddy x 4 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mike Location: San Jose Posts: 3,708 Trading: (53)	Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread http://www.hockeygiant.com/20100915h...)&utm_content= More of a classic skate guy, but these are kind of sexy.

09-15-2010, 02:42 PM	#118
Ahbroody Daddy x 4 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mike Location: San Jose Posts: 3,708 Trading: (53)	Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread Not going to waste the time debating you. I will refer you to the arbitrators finding and the penalties leveled. Go take it up with him and people with a lot more knowledge and experience on the matter then either of us. I already discussed this above in very basic terms. The Devils did nothing different then the other teams. The league wanted the loophole closed and to set an example. As part of the agreement with the PA they decided to leave the other Ks alone, not because they were different. As someone with a law degree and a little more knowledge on K law then you I will respectfully disagree and not discuss this with you further. I have no intrest in banging my head against the wall with you again. Sorry its no fun. I dont know why I cant resist replying when I know its wasted breath, but I guess I am a masochist.

09-15-2010, 04:12 PM	#119
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 70,583 Trading: (60)	Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread Everybody chill with an adult beverage and a cigar...Pre-season games start next week. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!