Who's ready for the World Cup? - Page 17

md4958 · 07-11-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by yourchoice

For this American viewer who admittedly is just now trying to better learn and enjoy the game, what drives me crazy is it seems in order to get a call you must embellish the foul. In hockey, the embellishment itself would be a penalty, and for other professional North American sports, embellishment is generally frowned upon. In football (American

), if a receiver is held but still makes the catch, they can decline the penalty. It seems to me, with soccer, if you don't go down and try to play through the foul, the foul is not called.

A serious question, is this part of the rules of soccer, either "by the book" or just generally accepted? If so, I'll probably be continuing my every four years viewing.

If the foul is in the possessing teams favor, and the ball was not turned over on the foul, the play is allowed to continue. Unfortunately "diving" has become an art forn in soccer, the Italians are especially talented. If it's a blatant dive, the diver can be issued a yellow card.

Pass · 07-11-2010, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by md4958

If the foul is in the possessing teams favor, and the ball was not turned over on the foul, the play is allowed to continue. Unfortunately "diving" has become an art forn in soccer, the Italians are especially talented. If it's a blatant dive, the diver can be issued a yellow card.

Pretty sure that the Italians all go to Soap Opera acting classes...

Don Fernando · 07-11-2010, 06:03 PM

Don't forget the teams from South America, they dive like the best. I love Luis Suarez (he plays for Ajax Amsterdam, which is my team), but he's also a diver first class.

Pass · 07-11-2010, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Fernando

Don't forget the teams from South America, they dive like the best. I love Luis Suarez (he plays for Ajax Amsterdam, which is my team), but he's also a diver first class.

Oh, indeed. I'm pretty certain that if the South Americans recruited some of their soccer players for their Olympic dive teams, they'd be taking home golds. lol.

...Actually, wasn't there a South American player (I think Uruguay) that actually WAS a swimmer with his country's international team?

Smokin Gator · 07-11-2010, 06:29 PM

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...Actually, wasn't there a South American player (I think Uruguay) that actually WAS a swimmer with his country's international team?

Yeah and in my opinion Forlan was one of the best players in the WC... but not because of his dives. His ball control and shots were unreal.

Superbad · 07-11-2010, 06:45 PM

Forlan won the award for best player. He deserved it too. I was really wanting the Dutch to win. Sorry Ferd.

Smokin Gator · 07-11-2010, 06:49 PM

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Forlan won the award for best player. He deserved it too. I was really wanting the Dutch to win. Sorry Ferd.

Forlan was unreal. I am surprised he won that award... but it is much deserved IMO.

Pass · 07-11-2010, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Smokin Gator

Yeah and in my opinion Forlan was one of the best players in the WC... but not because of his dives. His ball control and shots were unreal.

Hmmm. Thought Forlan played tennis...

yourchoice · 07-11-2010, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by md4958

If the foul is in the possessing teams favor, and the ball was not turned over on the foul, the play is allowed to continue.

Okay, but if there's a foul, play continues and when ultimately possession goes to the other team or the ball is played off the field, does the team that was fouled get a free kick from the spot of the foul (per the rules)? Or is the foul ignored?

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Originally Posted by md4958

Unfortunately "diving" has become an art forn in soccer, the Italians are especially talented. If it's a blatant dive, the diver can be issued a yellow card.

I actually saw a couple of yellow cards for diving in group play and was happy to see it called. But it seemed it was for actually diving when there was no foul at all. I guess embellishing an actual foul is okay per the rules, but I sure don't like it. I would rather see the player fouled try to continue the play.

Pass · 07-11-2010, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Smokin Gator

Forlan was unreal. I am surprised he won that award... but it is much deserved IMO.

Yeah, he was! I was also happy to see Muller get the Golden Boot and Young Player award... Though, I thought Schweinsteiger might have been a better choice there. At any rate... 5 goals and 3 assists for a 20yr old is pretty epic!

md4958 · 07-11-2010, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by yourchoice

Okay, but if there's a foul, play continues and when ultimately possession goes to the other team or the ball is played off the field, does the team that was fouled get a free kick from the spot of the foul (per the rules)? Or is the foul ignored?
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no, if the foul is not called immediately, it cannot be called retro-actively, "play on" is what is the commonly called by the ref in those instances. There are no time outs, and the only time the clock is stopped is when there is an injured player down that requires non-players on the field (medics/trainers).

TheRiddick · 07-11-2010, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by md4958

no, if the foul is not called immediately, it cannot be called retro-actively

Not true. Refs can call it after the play and I've seen them do that.

Pass · 07-11-2010, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheRiddick

Not true. Refs can call it after the play and I've seen them do that.

Matter of fact, there was a foul and yellow issue well after the incident -- while a certain drama queen was on the ground crying -- in today's game.

pnoon · 07-11-2010, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by md4958

no, if the foul is not called immediately, it cannot be called retro-actively, "play on" is what is the commonly called by the ref in those instances. There are no time outs, and the only time the clock is stopped is when there is an injured player down that requires non-players on the field (medics/trainers).

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Not true. Refs can call it after the play and I've seen them do that.

Sorry, Moe. Greg is correct. A referee will wait to see if an advantage is maintained. If within a few seconds, the potential advantage is lost, the referee can and will whistle the foul. If, however, the referee feels the advantage was realized and then the ball turned over, the foul is not called. Lots of latitude in judgment given to the referee.

Also, consider this scenario. A player is fouled and the foul is worthy of a yellow card. However, a clear advantage is given and the whistle is not blown for the foul. Attack continues, and eventually possession is lost and play continues. A full minute or two later, the ball goes into touch or over the end line. The referee can then appropriately issue the yellow.

And the clock is never stopped - even for an injury requiring medics/trainers. The referee will add (stoppage) time for any additional time he deems appropriate - including substitutions and dealing with misconduct.

Don Fernando · 07-12-2010, 03:32 AM

Webb sucked, how the hell could he book Nigel de Jong, this was clearly a dive by Xabi Alonso http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/1036...t_gewoon_.html

md4958 · 07-12-2010, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by pnoon

Sorry, Moe. Greg is correct. A referee will wait to see if an advantage is maintained. If within a few seconds, the potential advantage is lost, the referee can and will whistle the foul. If, however, the referee feels the advantage was realized and then the ball turned over, the foul is not called. Lots of latitude in judgment given to the referee.

Thanks for the education Peter, I had never seen this before.

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Originally Posted by pnoon

Also, consider this scenario. A player is fouled and the foul is worthy of a yellow card. However, a clear advantage is given and the whistle is not blown for the foul. Attack continues, and eventually possession is lost and play continues. A full minute or two later, the ball goes into touch or over the end line. The referee can then appropriately issue the yellow.
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So at that point, is it a free kick? And where?

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And the clock is never stopped - even for an injury requiring medics/trainers. The referee will add (stoppage) time for any additional time he deems appropriate - including substitutions and dealing with misconduct.

When they show the ref's handling their watches I figured they were stopping the timers. Is it left to the refs discretion weather to add time for subs (ie if they are trying to burn the clock in the final minutes) or is a cut and dry policy?

yourchoice · 07-12-2010, 07:18 AM

Thanks for the education Moe, Greg and Peter. I'm glad I asked the question.

I guess, based on all of this, my opinion is the ref could have decided the advantage was maintained, which I have no problem with, but could/should have issued a yellow on Robben's chance. I should stipulate this is based on my understanding of the rules (which obviously is limited).

ade06 · 07-12-2010, 07:46 AM

Good game yesterday. Even with all of the b.s. calls, I thought that the better team won.

Is it Football (U.S.) season yet? I'm ready to watch a sport where tackles are rewarded!

Pass · 07-12-2010, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ade06

Good game yesterday. Even with all of the b.s. calls, I thought that the better team won.

Is it Football (U.S.) season yet? I'm ready to watch a sport where tackles are rewarded!

No but I'm pretty sure it is Rugby time... And tackles are DEFINITELY rewarded in that sport lol.

TheRiddick · 07-12-2010, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Don Fernando

Webb sucked, how the hell could he book Nigel de Jong, this was clearly a dive by Xabi Alonso http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/1036...t_gewoon_.html

You're not saying anything we can disagree on. Disgrace for FIFA to pick Webb to ref the game, something that was called as soon as his name was announced days prior. I have no idea how Spanish players can think they are winners.

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Don Fernando Postwhore Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Ferdinand Location: Singapore Posts: 10,064 Trading: (29)	Re: Who's ready for the World Cup? Don't forget the teams from South America, they dive like the best. I love Luis Suarez (he plays for Ajax Amsterdam, which is my team), but he's also a diver first class. __________________ check out my reviews on my blog.

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Superbad Have My Own Room Join Date: Apr 2010 First Name: Bobby Location: Panama City, FL Posts: 1,784 Trading: (53)	Re: Who's ready for the World Cup? Forlan won the award for best player. He deserved it too. I was really wanting the Dutch to win. Sorry Ferd.

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Don Fernando Postwhore Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Ferdinand Location: Singapore Posts: 10,064 Trading: (29)	Re: Who's ready for the World Cup? Webb sucked, how the hell could he book Nigel de Jong, this was clearly a dive by Xabi Alonso http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/1036...t_gewoon_.html __________________ check out my reviews on my blog.

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yourchoice Down the stretch Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Joel Location: South Jersey Posts: 4,081 Trading: (36)	Re: Who's ready for the World Cup? Thanks for the education Moe, Greg and Peter. I'm glad I asked the question. I guess, based on all of this, my opinion is the ref could have decided the advantage was maintained, which I have no problem with, but could/should have issued a yellow on Robben's chance. I should stipulate this is based on my understanding of the rules (which obviously is limited).

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ade06 Have My Own Room Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Ade Location: Philadelphia Posts: 1,190 Trading: (24)	Re: Who's ready for the World Cup? Good game yesterday. Even with all of the b.s. calls, I thought that the better team won. Is it Football (U.S.) season yet? I'm ready to watch a sport where tackles are rewarded!