Has anyone seen this Cohiba? Cohiba 40 Aniversario 1966-2006 - Page 3

01-02-2010, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bobarian

As you well know Cuban trademarks are not recognized in the United States. In the most recent case a Federal District judge has ruled for a second time in favor of Cubatobacco. But his original almost identical ruling was overturned on appeal. The appellate court ruled that due to the embargo a Cuban company could not own property in the US and that a trademark was property.

The company producing the "Cohiba" in question is most likely not even General Tobacco, but a small producer just trying to make a buck.

Anyone thinking they are buying a genuine Cuban Cohiba in a US B&M deserves whatever they get.

What about the other Cuban cigar names that are used by General or Altadis? Punch, Partagas, El Rey Del Mundo and others were originally owned by individuals in Cuba. Many left after the revolution because their property had been taken by the Cuban government.

I dont see this as a black and white issue, both sides have some legitimacy to their claims.

I didnt think that I was buying a Cuban cigar, I did think that it was a real Cohiba though, but not from Cuba.

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Originally Posted by jerseystepup

NOWHERE on the boxes, nor on the sticks is the word "cohiba" anywhere... yes the symbol is there... but look at the "fleur de lis" its everywhere in the cigar world.. so theyre just using the symbol... other than that the cigar is not claiming to be a cohiba... sketchy marketing in my opinion... but again no where does this stick claim to be from cuba or say cohiba

He isnt trying to sell them as Cuban, but he did make a sign using Cohibas name so he is trying to use the name. I think he truly believes they are Cohiba. noone else seems to think so.

01-02-2010, 07:13 PM

From what I was told the company did use the name Cohiba but stopped after the trademark dispute. I think what I was told was that they are now using the name Gran Reserva or something like it. I think that was also on all of the boxes on at the B&M where I got them from. And I know that Cohiba in Cuba makes a Gran Reserva for the record.

md4958 · 01-02-2010, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by s15driftking

6 rows of dots would be the first thing that would make me say "huh"...

The authentic 35th anniversary Cohiba band. Notice the 6 rows of dots

googling "Cohiba 40th anniversary" yields this image

Just because they are labeled as Dominican, and dont say "Cohiba" on them dosesnt make them "non-fake"

01-02-2010, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by md4958

Just because they are labeled as Dominican, and dont say "Cohiba" on them dosesnt make them "non-fake"

If there are more like the first one I smoked then who really cares if they're fake?

md4958 · 01-02-2010, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mariogolbee

If there are more like the first one I smoked then who really cares if they're fake?

So would you be happy with a fake Rolex that you paid a premium for just because it told time properly?

It might be a good cigar, but the intent to deceive is there, and I would really care if they were fake.

SmokinApe · 01-02-2010, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by md4958

So would you be happy with a fake Rolex that you paid a premium for just because it told time properly?

It might be a good cigar, but the intent to deceive is there, and I would really care if they were fake.

For the record I agree with Kool Moe D... I wouldn't buy or smoke these...

TheRiddick · 01-02-2010, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Hips

As a public brand. Cohiba was established in 1966.

Huh? A particular blend was made for Castro to smoke and give out as gifts after the revolution, lancero sans label since they had no name back then. But as an actual brand? '80s is right.

md4958 · 01-02-2010, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheRiddick

Huh? A particular blend was made for Castro to smoke and give out as gifts after the revolution, lancero sans label since they had no name back then. But as an actual brand? '80s is right.

from cuban cigar website:

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A Current Brand
Cohiba is a post-revolution brand established in 1966.
It is the Habanos SA flagship brand, has a major market share and is sold at a premium price.
The tobacco is the best available from the premium Vuelta Abajo region. The Seco & Ligro filler leaf is given an exclusive third fermentation.
Three cigars were initially released in 1969, later becoming part of the Classic range introduced in 1989.
The Siglo range was introduced in 1992 but not commercially available in early 1994.
The Maduro range was introduced in 2007.

http://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/bra...x?brand=Cohiba

ScottieM · 01-02-2010, 08:38 PM

I think they were made to deceive unwitting customers and any Cigar Merchant that knows a lick about cigars knows that. If your willing to shell out $13 a pop for something pretending to be something else then enjoy. Otherwise, Move along.

01-02-2010, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottieM

I think they were made to deceive unwitting customers and any Cigar Merchant that knows a lick about cigars knows that. If your willing to shell out $13 a pop for something pretending to be something else then enjoy. Otherwise, Move along.

It was a mistake... but maybe they'll be enjoyable at the very least so i won't feel as bad about supporting a fake cigar.

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Originally Posted by SmokinApe

For the record I agree with Kool Moe D... I wouldn't buy or smoke these...

If you had it, you'd smoke it cmon now

SmokinApe · 01-02-2010, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pauly Walnuts

If you had it, you'd smoke it cmon now

Lol... I hope you enjoy them my friend...

md4958 · 01-02-2010, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pauly Walnuts

It was a mistake... but maybe they'll be enjoyable at the very least so i won't feel as bad about supporting a fake cigar.

Paul, perhaps you will have an experience like Mario and love the cigar. If thats the case (and I truly hope it is) smoke what you like.

Fortunately places like Cigar Asylum exist to educate and inform.

Bubba - NJ · 01-02-2010, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jerseystepup

NOWHERE on the boxes, nor on the sticks is the word "cohiba" anywhere... yes the symbol is there... but look at the "fleur de lis" its everywhere in the cigar world.. so theyre just using the symbol... other than that the cigar is not claiming to be a cohiba... sketchy marketing in my opinion... but again no where does this stick claim to be from cuba or say cohiba

Thats what I was thinking as I read every post in this thread . They don't say Cohiba anywhere . These are just as bad as the 3 Siglos line IMHOP . Every time I see a cigar like this in a shop , I stay far away .

ScottieM · 01-02-2010, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pauly Walnuts

It was a mistake... but maybe they'll be enjoyable at the very least so i won't feel as bad about supporting a fake cigar.

I'll bet they're not all that bad. Probably a decent Handmade Bundle Quality stick that would keep someone coming back for more. I wouldn't worry about it. We've all been there, Live and learn.

Thanks for sharing with us!

havanajohn · 01-02-2010, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TheRiddick

Huh? A particular blend was made for Castro to smoke and give out as gifts after the revolution, lancero sans label since they had no name back then. But as an actual brand? '80s is right.

Actually 1982 was when Cohibas became available to the general public...

icehog3 · 01-02-2010, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by md4958

So would you be happy with a fake Rolex that you paid a premium for just because it told time properly?

It might be a good cigar, but the intent to deceive is there, and I would really care if they were fake.

and Moe ain't stupid.

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Originally Posted by Pauly Walnuts

If you had it, you'd smoke it cmon now

I don't think he would...I know I would not, let's say I had a bad experience with a fake Cohiba.

I do hope they are good cigars for you though, you'll have to do a review.

SmokinApe · 01-02-2010, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottieM

I'll bet they're not all that bad. Probably a decent Handmade Bundle Quality stick that would keep someone coming back for more. I wouldn't worry about it. We've all been there, Live and learn.

Thanks for sharing with us!

$13.50 x 25 = $337.50

That is some cash money for a bundle... They best come with a happy ending...

SmokinApe · 01-02-2010, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by havanajohn

Actually 1982 was when Cohibas became available to the general public...

Moe ain't part of the general public...

s15driftking · 01-02-2010, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by md4958

The authentic 35th anniversary Cohiba band. Notice the 6 rows of dots

googling "Cohiba 40th anniversary" yields this image

Just because they are labeled as Dominican, and dont say "Cohiba" on them dosesnt make them "non-fake"

noted, i am owned!!

SmokinApe · 01-02-2010, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by s15driftking

noted, i am owned!!

Put your elbows on the table...

01-02-2010, 07:13 PM	#42
mariogolbee Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Has anyone seen this Cohiba? Cohiba 40 Aniversario 1966-2006 From what I was told the company did use the name Cohiba but stopped after the trademark dispute. I think what I was told was that they are now using the name Gran Reserva or something like it. I think that was also on all of the boxes on at the B&M where I got them from. And I know that Cohiba in Cuba makes a Gran Reserva for the record.

01-02-2010, 08:38 PM	#49
ScottieM AKA Thurm15 Join Date: Nov 2008 First Name: Scott Location: NY Posts: 185 Trading: (1)	Re: Has anyone seen this Cohiba? Cohiba 40 Aniversario 1966-2006 I think they were made to deceive unwitting customers and any Cigar Merchant that knows a lick about cigars knows that. If your willing to shell out $13 a pop for something pretending to be something else then enjoy. Otherwise, Move along.