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Old 07-10-2009, 10:05 AM   #61
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Any thoughts on the Glock 36, seems slim enough and a .45
good gun, reliable, will go bang every time you pull the trigger, and you can swap in smaller cal barrels for cheaper practice.
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Old 07-10-2009, 10:20 AM   #62
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Any thoughts on the Glock 36, seems slim enough and a .45
Rock Solid Albert,that goes for most all Glocks.
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Old 07-10-2009, 10:33 AM   #63
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Prefer a Springfield Armory in 45 with a laser sight but that might be too much recoil for a second shot. She needs to find something she is comfortable shooting and can get a second and third shot on target. I hope that things work out ok.
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Old 07-10-2009, 10:39 AM   #64
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Rock Solid Albert,that goes for most all Glocks.
All Glocks are great

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Old 07-10-2009, 11:07 AM   #65
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I tend to avoid glock, go with Sprinfield Armory, Kimber, HK or Sig Sauer
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Old 07-10-2009, 11:23 AM   #66
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I tend to avoid glock, go with Sprinfield Armory, Kimber, HK or Sig Sauer
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Old 07-10-2009, 12:34 PM   #67
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And now she has to spend money to defend her rights. It's a sad world.
I agree Al, hell they have already had to buy cameras after living there for almost 40 years, replace all the stuff he broke, he even stole the hubcaps off their '94 Toyota Camry, the first damage to that car ever (15 years and hardly a scratch). They have had to replace flowers and shrubs that were torn up by dingleberry, all these things prompted the cameras because without proof the police could not do anything.
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Old 07-10-2009, 04:26 PM   #68
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Get her to carry then use the Chuck Taylor rules: 2 in the chest 1 in the head.
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Old 07-10-2009, 05:05 PM   #69
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A handgun would be my choice but possibly not a good choice for your MIL. Most women have trouble racking the slide on a semi-auto and a Glock 36 (45 ACP) might be a bit much in the recoil department for her due to it's light weight. A revolver is simpler for newcomer's to start with but the trigger pull on some D.A. revolver's is pretty heavy. My wife can shoot my little Kahr CW9 (9mm double action, very concealable semi-auto) but has trouble with the double action trigger on my Ruger SP101 (.357/.38 Special). She can't come close to racking the slide on the Kahr, though. If your MIL gets interested in a handgun, I'd recommend a 9mm. The S&W M&P semi-auto 9mm is a pretty soft shooter and has adjustable grip inserts to accommodate different hands of different sizes. 9mm defensive loads have come a long way and pretty much close the gap between handgun calibers, IMO. A miss with a 45 isn't as good as a few hits with a 9mm (Speer 124 gr Gold Dots, for instance.)

Shooting any handgun well requires a commitment to learn the manual of arms and to practice on a regular basis. As has been pointed out, even police officer's with training have trouble hitting accurately when the pressure is on. It would be great if you could get her interested in shooting but, even if this happens, she still has a lot to overcome if she's worried about shooting someone.

I like the idea of a well trained dog. For in the house, a 20 gauge shotgun would probably be better if she will not commit to handgun training but she would still need to train with the shotgun. Having a shotgun outside while gardening would be a problem, IMO. She might want to give up outside activities until things settle down.

I sure hope everything works out. No one should have these kinds of worries in their own home.

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She is out today to retain a lawyer to define her rights so I will keep you posted
if you need a lawyer just let me know, i have family in ATL that are lawyers. might be able to get you someone cheap or free. just shoot me an email if you need names.
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And be convicted of assault with a deadly weapon? Once someone is no longer a threat continuing to assualt the individual is a crime. Just sayin.

Not gonna stay in BP for long with that idea.


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Why do you avoid Glock?
Perry dislikes weapons that are extremely reliable, go bang every time, and are ugly.



He also has "issues" with tupperware.....He was force to go to too many parties as a child, and those freezie pop things never worked out for him.
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Old 07-10-2009, 09:46 PM   #74
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Take her to the gun store. Give her every Glock under the counter and which ever one fits best get it. There will be one that fits in her hand like it was made for her. Mine happen to be the 17/19. Then have her train with it. Glocks are the most user friendly pistols out there. No decocker, no safety just bang and that is what you need. when the chips are down and you are fighting for your life you dont need an extra variable to worry about (ie external safety.)

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24" telescoping billy club. easily snap an arm with one wack
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Perry dislikes weapons that are extremely reliable, go bang every time, and are ugly.



He also has "issues" with tupperware.....He was force to go to too many parties as a child, and those freezie pop things never worked out for him.
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Also, I haven't seen it mentioned, but most of the professional home alarm systems have "panic buttons" that can be activated in emergencies, if things get really out of hand. Some of them even have direct in-home audio monitoring which links to a dispatch center so that the alarm company can silently listen in and send whatever help (fire, ambulance, police) is needed at the time.

This actually sounds like a pretty good idea. With a remote alarm loud enough to wake the dead and bring out the neighbors, unless he's really off the deep end, he would probably turn tail and run. If not, then she could resort to the lethal force as a back-up plan.
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This actually sounds like a pretty good idea. With a remote alarm loud enough to wake the dead and bring out the neighbors, unless he's really off the deep end, he would probably turn tail and run. If not, then she could resort to the lethal force as a back-up plan.
They have panic buttons and glass breaks and the works, the issue is that she more fears being in the yard which she spends 90% of her day working on, it is her pride and joy
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I was thinking of something with a remote that she could keep with her in the yard and set off if he sets foot on her property. A good dog would alert her to his presence so she could tend her yard and not constantly keep looking over shoulder.
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what about an electric fence with barbed wire on the top?

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