Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not? - Page 5

Ashcan Bill · 07-28-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

My opinion? In. Guilty by association, not because of personal wrong-doing.

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Originally Posted by joed

I agree.

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Originally Posted by MedicCook

I also agree. The players involved even stated that Shoeless Joe did not take any money.

As do I. The evidence against him is questionable.

vankleekkw · 07-28-2009, 04:17 PM

As far as Shoeless goes, he was dumber than a box of rocks. He had one of the greatest series of all times and he is still not allowed in the Hall. BS if you ask me.

However, I think that the steriod era of the late 90's/ early 00's should be in the HOF. This was the single thing that pulled Baseball out of the crapper. Everyone remembers the 5000 or less fans in the stadiums until McGwire/ Sosa race. EVERYONE knew they were juiced, but no one cared because the fans were flocking back into the stadiums.

Gophernut · 07-28-2009, 04:52 PM

Pete did apologize for betting on baseball, just not as sincerely as people would have liked. I loved watching Pete play the game. How many doubles did he get out of singles that he hustled on? The 44 game hit streak. He was one of the best players of all time. That is what he should be in the hall for.
Granted he was lying at the time, but I still like the way he made Jim Gray look like an a$$hat.

Let's not forget that he was also voted onto the all century team. One of only 30 players on that list. That list came out after his ban.

icehog3 · 07-28-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bobarian

After thinking about this for a couple of days, I voted no. But I am not against him being enshrined if the Vet's committee votes him in. I think they are a much better judge that the sportswriters in this situation.

I believe that is the only way he can get in, Bob, as they did not "stop the clock" regarding his 15 years of eligibilty during the ban.

hornitosmonster · 07-28-2009, 05:06 PM

I voted yes.

bobarian · 07-28-2009, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

I believe that is the only way he can get in, Bob, as they did not "stop the clock" regarding his 15 years of eligibilty during the ban.

Yes. Its up to the Vets committee. I said this meaning that if the Vets approve him being in their hall then its kind of like your mom allowing a friend in who you dont like. Its their house.

icehog3 · 07-28-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bobarian

Yes. Its up to the Vets committee. I said this meaning that if the Vets approve him being in their hall then its kind of like your mom allowing a friend in who you dont like. Its their house.

Word, My Brother.

gettysburgfreak · 07-28-2009, 06:11 PM

Personally based on his credentials as a ball player I 100% think the guy belongs in the hall. He was one hell of a baseball player who played the game the way it was meant to be played-balls to the wall, you go hard on every play. Now having said that I have met the guy and hes a prick.

I was in Cooperstown a number of years ago with my dad and we were coming out of a restroom of the shop where Rose signs stuff every year at the hall of fame inductions and he was right outside the door kind of hanging out. I was probably 16 or so at the time and asked him if he would sign a baseball I had in my pocket. He said to me "do you have a ticket?" I asked him what for and his response was "if you don't have a ticket I won't sign anything" Well the ticket was for 40 bucks to get a ball signed later in the day.

07-28-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPEaOKI8ubU

you asshat, I didn't get the reference at first,

Whee · 07-28-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Azpostal

He is the greatest hitter in the history of baseball. IN..IN...IN!!!!!!

Needs to be put to bed and voted in.

07-28-2009, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by shilala

You don't have to take Pete's word on that one.
A lawyer investigated Pete's gambling (The Dowd Report). Found 100's of instances of gambling. Not one bet was ever placed against his team.

not finding evidence of his having placed bets against his team is not the same thing as saying he didn't do it.

icehog3 · 07-28-2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by gettysburgfreak

Personally based on his credentials as a ball player I 100% think the guy belongs in the hall. He was one hell of a baseball player who played the game the way it was meant to be played-balls to the wall, you go hard on every play. Now having said that I have met the guy and hes a prick.

I was in Cooperstown a number of years ago with my dad and we were coming out of a restroom of the shop where Rose signs stuff every year at the hall of fame inductions and he was right outside the door kind of hanging out. I was probably 16 or so at the time and asked him if he would sign a baseball I had in my pocket. He said to me "do you have a ticket?" I asked him what for and his response was "if you don't have a ticket I won't sign anything" Well the ticket was for 40 bucks to get a ball signed later in the day.

If he is a prick because he signs things for money, then 95% of ex-ballplayers must be pricks.

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Originally Posted by Resipsa

you asshat, I didn't get the reference at first,

gettysburgfreak · 07-28-2009, 08:57 PM

I was referring to the fact that he didn't even take a second to sign a ball for me or engage in a quick conversation with me and my dad. Rose is my dads favorite baseball player and the only thing Rose said to us was do you have a ticket. I am all for paying for an autograph as it one of my hobbies but not taking one minute and signing a ball for a kid in the back of a building where nobody else was around is crap.

icehog3 · 07-28-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by gettysburgfreak

I was referring to the fact that he didn't even take a second to sign a ball for me or engage in a quick conversation with me and my dad. Rose is my dads favorite baseball player and the only thing Rose said to us was do you have a ticket. I am all for paying for an autograph as it one of my hobbies but not taking one minute and signing a ball for a kid in the back of a building where nobody else was around is crap.

I had a similar disappointing situation when I met my childhood hero as an adult (Stan Mikita), so I apologize for minimizing your story.

vankleekkw · 07-28-2009, 09:06 PM

The worst I saw was Scottie Pippin, the azzhat. walked past all the kids, looked at a handicapped kid in a wheelchair, and said "I dont do autographs".
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shilala · 07-28-2009, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by vankleekkw

The worst I saw was Scottie Pippin, the azzhat. walked past all the kids, looked at a handicapped kid in a wheelchair, and said "I dont do autographs".
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You should consider yourself to have never been graced by Barry Bonds.
I had the privelage to meet him on a number of occasions.
I'm not sure what a$$hole college he went to, but he definately finished at the top of his class.

vankleekkw · 07-28-2009, 09:50 PM

I think it is Cali players. I had Bud Black tell me he didnt know how to sign. My dad then asked him how he signed his paycheck. He flicked us off and went to the dugout getting booed.
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mojo65 · 07-29-2009, 12:19 AM

IN for his play on the field.

BlackDog · 07-29-2009, 08:22 AM

I think this may help put the matter in some kind of perspective.

There is only one rule in regards to criteria for membership in the Baseball HOF, and that is Rule Five:

Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played

Link - HOF Rules

icehog3 · 07-29-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackDog

I think this may help put the matter in some kind of perspective.

There is only one rule in regards to criteria for membership in the Baseball HOF, and that is Rule Five:

Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played

Link - HOF Rules

It really doesn't though, because there are many HOF'ers with what I would consider questionable character or integrity.

View Poll Results: Should Pete Rose be in the Hall of Fame?
Rose should be in the Hall.	62	65.26%
Rose should not be in the Hall.	20	21.05%
Depends (discuss below).	7	7.37%
I could care less.	6	6.32%
Voters: 95. You may not vote on this poll

07-28-2009, 04:17 PM	#82
vankleekkw Still Watching My Back Join Date: Nov 2008 First Name: Kris Location: Round Lake, IL Posts: 136 Trading: (3)	Re: Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not? As far as Shoeless goes, he was dumber than a box of rocks. He had one of the greatest series of all times and he is still not allowed in the Hall. BS if you ask me. However, I think that the steriod era of the late 90's/ early 00's should be in the HOF. This was the single thing that pulled Baseball out of the crapper. Everyone remembers the 5000 or less fans in the stadiums until McGwire/ Sosa race. EVERYONE knew they were juiced, but no one cared because the fans were flocking back into the stadiums.

07-28-2009, 04:52 PM	#83
Gophernut Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Steve Location: Hudson, WI Posts: 1,661 Trading: (15)	Re: Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not? Pete did apologize for betting on baseball, just not as sincerely as people would have liked. I loved watching Pete play the game. How many doubles did he get out of singles that he hustled on? The 44 game hit streak. He was one of the best players of all time. That is what he should be in the hall for. Granted he was lying at the time, but I still like the way he made Jim Gray look like an a$$hat. Let's not forget that he was also voted onto the all century team. One of only 30 players on that list. That list came out after his ban.

07-28-2009, 05:06 PM	#85
hornitosmonster Cowboys Fan Join Date: May 2009 First Name: Isaac Location: Surprise, Az Posts: 230 Trading: (4)	Re: Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not? I voted yes. __________________

07-28-2009, 06:11 PM	#88
gettysburgfreak Patriot Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Mitten Posts: 1,442 Trading: (2)	Re: Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not? Personally based on his credentials as a ball player I 100% think the guy belongs in the hall. He was one hell of a baseball player who played the game the way it was meant to be played-balls to the wall, you go hard on every play. Now having said that I have met the guy and hes a prick. I was in Cooperstown a number of years ago with my dad and we were coming out of a restroom of the shop where Rose signs stuff every year at the hall of fame inductions and he was right outside the door kind of hanging out. I was probably 16 or so at the time and asked him if he would sign a baseball I had in my pocket. He said to me "do you have a ticket?" I asked him what for and his response was "if you don't have a ticket I won't sign anything" Well the ticket was for 40 bucks to get a ball signed later in the day. __________________ Author ofeath, Disease, and Life at War: The Civil War Letters of Surgeon James D. Benton, 111th and 98th New York Infantry Regiments, 1862-1865.

07-28-2009, 08:57 PM	#93
gettysburgfreak Patriot Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Mitten Posts: 1,442 Trading: (2)	Re: Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not? I was referring to the fact that he didn't even take a second to sign a ball for me or engage in a quick conversation with me and my dad. Rose is my dads favorite baseball player and the only thing Rose said to us was do you have a ticket. I am all for paying for an autograph as it one of my hobbies but not taking one minute and signing a ball for a kid in the back of a building where nobody else was around is crap. __________________ Author ofeath, Disease, and Life at War: The Civil War Letters of Surgeon James D. Benton, 111th and 98th New York Infantry Regiments, 1862-1865.

07-28-2009, 09:06 PM	#95
vankleekkw Still Watching My Back Join Date: Nov 2008 First Name: Kris Location: Round Lake, IL Posts: 136 Trading: (3)	Re: Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not? The worst I saw was Scottie Pippin, the azzhat. walked past all the kids, looked at a handicapped kid in a wheelchair, and said "I dont do autographs". Posted via Mobile Device

07-28-2009, 09:50 PM	#97
vankleekkw Still Watching My Back Join Date: Nov 2008 First Name: Kris Location: Round Lake, IL Posts: 136 Trading: (3)	Re: Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not? I think it is Cali players. I had Bud Black tell me he didnt know how to sign. My dad then asked him how he signed his paycheck. He flicked us off and went to the dugout getting booed. Posted via Mobile Device

07-29-2009, 12:19 AM	#98
mojo65 Relocation Engineer Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: mark Location: Evans,CO Posts: 240 Trading: (4)	Re: Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not? IN for his play on the field. __________________ Mark, I'LL TAKE MY GUNS, RELIGION & MONEY... YOU CAN KEEP THE CHANGE!

07-29-2009, 08:22 AM	#99
BlackDog Gonna make you groove... Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Warren Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 2,468 Trading: (19)	Re: Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not? I think this may help put the matter in some kind of perspective. There is only one rule in regards to criteria for membership in the Baseball HOF, and that is Rule Five: Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played Link - HOF Rules __________________ "We live in the good of this."