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Old 06-27-2010, 01:26 PM   #161
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I have another question.

Lets say someone ordered some cigars and forgot about them coming and went on vacation. They come back home only to find that their cigars were in the mail box for a week in 90 deg heat.

Will this trigger beetles even though the cigars were frozen before all this happened?

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They can only hatch if there is viable eggs. If they were frozen properly before shipping and were not infested after freezing, then they should be fine. I would keep them separate from my other sticks to see if anything hatches....or you can always freeze to be on the safe side.
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Old 06-27-2010, 03:20 PM   #162
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What would it hurt to send them to the freezer a couple days?

Why take the chance.?!?
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Old 06-28-2010, 09:50 AM   #163
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They can only hatch if there is viable eggs. If they were frozen properly before shipping and were not infested after freezing, then they should be fine. I would keep them separate from my other sticks to see if anything hatches....or you can always freeze to be on the safe side.
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Old 07-12-2010, 11:22 AM   #164
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I just have a n00b question about the bags... we do not currently own a vacuum sealer and are set on which one to get just yet, could I just use Ziploc Freezer bags instead of vacuum sealing or is that a bad idea?
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Old 07-12-2010, 01:44 PM   #165
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I use Freezer bags, no problem..
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Old 07-12-2010, 01:46 PM   #166
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I use Freezer bags, no problem..
Thanks, looks like I'll be hitting the store on the way home.
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Old 07-12-2010, 02:13 PM   #167
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I just use any old ziploc bag (I've frozen countless cigars in the plain old CI smiley bags and 5-finger bags) Doesn't have to be "freezer rated". They are not going to be in there long enough for the thickness of the bag to really make any difference.
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Old 07-12-2010, 02:30 PM   #168
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I just use any old ziploc bag (I've frozen countless cigars in the plain old CI smiley bags and 5-finger bags) Doesn't have to be "freezer rated". They are not going to be in there long enough for the thickness of the bag to really make any difference.
Ok, then I can go with the normal gallon size, I'm doing my whole collection and it'll be easier that way (theyre all loose and the collection is only 50 sticks )
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Old 07-12-2010, 03:24 PM   #169
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What does everyone think of liquid nitrogen... that should do the trick right lol i'll bring a pic when i get a chance
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Old 07-12-2010, 03:38 PM   #170
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What does everyone think of liquid nitrogen... that should do the trick right lol i'll bring a pic when i get a chance
You kid, but a BOTL once did an experiment on freezing cigars by using dry ice.
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Old 07-27-2010, 04:07 AM   #171
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Default Re: How to Freeze and the Science behind it. Long Post

So let me get this straight....My cigarettes contain tar, rat poison and god knows what else.....now my cigars contain Beetles? Man I haven't went to sleep yet but it already feels like someone **** in my cereal.

So let me get this straight....somehow and why are there beetles in cigars?
Do you have to freeze EVERY CIGAR? Like say I buy cigars from a smoke shop....are those fine since they've been in a humidor for god knows how long? Is this only for online purchased cigars? Are beetles already THERE or do they somehow FORM in cigars?
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Old 07-27-2010, 10:39 AM   #172
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Default Re: How to Freeze and the Science behind it. Long Post

Tobacco beetles are not as big a problem as they once were in cigars. Most major manufacturers have some sort of control. Many large online retailers have freezing facilities.

If you are buying cigars from your local shop or online and smoking them within a week or two, you shouldnt have problems. But many of us buy boxes(and boxes) and store them for a several months or longer. In this case, to avoid the horror of opening a box six months down the line and finding a bunch of holes in your cigars, freezing will give you a peace of mind.

This is an obsessive hobby, we worry about everything. Rh, temperature, next cigar purchase, storage. The main thing is to relax and enjoy a cigar, sometimes the stress over the little things can interfere with your enjoyment and that should be avoided.
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Old 07-27-2010, 11:37 AM   #173
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Thanks for the info, you got me scared now and I want to go home and check my humidor lol.
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Old 07-29-2010, 02:52 PM   #174
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Default Re: How to Freeze and the Science behind it. Long Post

I haven't read all the posts here but as I await a delivery from UPS, something struck me.
You guys are saying that most manufacturers freeze the cigars to kill eggs/larva before they are shipped to the retails.
It seems to me that the delivery to your house may be were the cigars are exposed to high temps, triggering the beetles. Could it be that paying extra for, say a two day delivery, is worth the price? A seven or nine day delivery might mean that your cigs spend as much as a week in a very hot warehouse somewhere.
Just a thought.
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Old 07-29-2010, 03:58 PM   #175
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Shipping time is mostly irrelevant from domestic sources. If the eggs/larva/beetles are dead, there is nothing to hatch no matter what the temps or delivery time. That is the reason things are frozen. Freezing at home is just a second layer of protection, the only way to get contaminated is from another source, like cigars you receive in trades or bombs.
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Shipping time is mostly irrelevant from domestic sources. If the eggs/larva/beetles are dead, there is nothing to hatch no matter what the temps or delivery time. That is the reason things are frozen. Freezing at home is just a second layer of protection, the only way to get contaminated is from another source, like cigars you receive in trades or bombs.
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Old 08-11-2010, 03:59 PM   #177
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I always let people know if they receive cigars from me they have already been thru the process of freezing by me.
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Old 08-15-2010, 02:10 PM   #178
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The best artial I"ve read on the subject. The pix of ruined cigars is enough to make me cry
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I haven't read all the posts here but as I await a delivery from UPS, something struck me.
You guys are saying that most manufacturers freeze the cigars to kill eggs/larva before they are shipped to the retails.
It seems to me that the delivery to your house may be were the cigars are exposed to high temps, triggering the beetles. Could it be that paying extra for, say a two day delivery, is worth the price? A seven or nine day delivery might mean that your cigs spend as much as a week in a very hot warehouse somewhere.
Just a thought.
I think that this is more of a maybe than an actual regular occurrence. At least from a CC perspective. I cannot speak to NC's as I don't have or get any.

Bob's comments are mostly right in my mind. It is all the intermediary steps you have to be concerned about. From manufacturer to storage facility to wholesaler to retailer to you and whatever happens in between.

I have friends that as recently as last month have had sticks arrive with live bugs in em.......still give me nightmares.
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The best artial I"ve read on the subject. The pix of ruined cigars is enough to make me cry
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