Great Quote

02-26-2009, 11:58 AM

"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

~~~ The late Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931 to 2005, Former Pastor of Bellevue Baptist Church in Memphis , TN ~~~

white_s2k · 02-26-2009, 12:00 PM

Really good quote, last line hit it home for me. "You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it"

pnoon · 02-26-2009, 12:02 PM

This thread straddles the line of becoming political in nature.

Tread carefully, posters.

02-26-2009, 01:53 PM

This quote is just a statement of facts.

icehog3 · 02-26-2009, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombstone

This quote is just a statement of facts.

And if anyone takes it in a political direction, it's toast.

02-26-2009, 02:18 PM

heres a qoute that goes with the OP

"To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, 'the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it.'"
-- Thomas Jefferson

pnoon · 02-26-2009, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombstone

This quote is just a statement of facts.

No. It is someone's perspective/opinion.
There are no facts in the statement.

That being said, he does present a plausible perspective.

taltos · 02-26-2009, 02:29 PM

The following quote is not, I believe, overtly political but a statement of the times when said and it is equally true almost 50 years later. "No nation has ever taxed itself into prosperity." President John F. Kennedy when he proposed lowering the maximum tax rates.

02-26-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pnoon

No. It is someone's perspective/opinion.
There are no facts in the statement.

That being said, he does present a plausible perspective.

I disagree. People's opinions can be factual.

02-26-2009, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombstone

I disagree. People's opinions can be factual.

pnoon · 02-26-2009, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombstone

This quote is just a statement of facts.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombstone

I disagree. People's opinions can be factual.

O.K.
If the statement is fact, then there really is no reason or room for discussion. Why else would you post this if not to discuss? And where would you expect the discussion to go if not in a political direction?

croatan · 02-26-2009, 03:03 PM

According to dictionary.com:

Fact: Something that actually exists; reality; truth.

Opinion: A belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

--

By definition, I don't believe an opinion can be a fact.

I pay $x in taxes = fact. My taxes are too freaking high = opinion.

AAlmeter · 02-26-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pnoon

O.K.
If the statement is fact, then there really is no reason or room for discussion. Why else would you post this if not to discuss? And where would you expect the discussion to go if not in a political direction?

Perhaps to serve as a reminder of a fact, much like the reminders we get to have a designated driver or wear our seat belts. Though those statements may not leave room for discussion, they still contain very valuable information...regardless on a person's political feelings towards DWI/seatbelt laws.

02-26-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by croatan

According to dictionary.com:

Fact: Something that actually exists; reality; truth.

Opinion: A belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

--

By definition, I don't believe an opinion can be a fact.

I pay $x in taxes = fact. My taxes are too freaking high = opinion.

The OPs quote contains truth to it. History has shown that you cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. So if that is true, is it a fact?

pnoon · 02-26-2009, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AAlmeter

Perhaps to serve as a reminder of a fact, much like the reminders we get to have a designated driver or wear our seat belts. Though those statements may not leave room for discussion, they still contain very valuable information...regardless on a person's political feelings towards DWI/seatbelt laws.

Excellent point, Adam.

But posting a reminder in a public forum (whether fact or opinion) will lead to discussion.

And here is a fact. I initially felt this thread was started as a political statement. However, I felt that a reminder to all might keep it from becoming a political discussion and ultimately getting shut down. Proof that no good deed goes unpunished.

CBI_2 · 02-26-2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

And if anyone takes it in a political direction, it's toast.

As long as it isn't French toast.

Thanks for sharing the quote Tombstone.

King James · 02-26-2009, 06:32 PM

I don't think an argument of semantics is needed. An opinion can still have some truth to it and not be fact.

But back to the original post, I think it is a really good quote

TripleF · 02-26-2009, 07:14 PM

It's a true statement Tombstone, just sucks that we do nothing about it but discuss it.

shilala · 02-26-2009, 07:20 PM

The late Dr. Adrian must have never heard of doubling down.
I win.
Go ahead and lock this thing up, Peter.

hotreds · 02-26-2009, 07:42 PM

02-26-2009, 11:58 AM	#1
Tombstone Guest Posts: n/a	Great Quote "You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it." ~~~ The late Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931 to 2005, Former Pastor of Bellevue Baptist Church in Memphis , TN ~~~

02-26-2009, 12:00 PM	#2
white_s2k The Dude Abides Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Josh Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,052 Trading: (20)	Re: Great Quote Really good quote, last line hit it home for me. "You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it" __________________ "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." – Robert A. Heinlein

02-26-2009, 12:02 PM	#3
pnoon YNWA Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Peter Location: San Diego Posts: 29,919 Trading: (20)	Re: Great Quote This thread straddles the line of becoming political in nature. Tread carefully, posters. __________________ Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are. -John Wooden

02-26-2009, 01:53 PM	#4
Tombstone Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Great Quote This quote is just a statement of facts.

02-26-2009, 02:18 PM	#6
ChicagoWhiteSox Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Great Quote heres a qoute that goes with the OP "To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, 'the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it.'" -- Thomas Jefferson

02-26-2009, 02:29 PM	#8
taltos Really, really old Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Paul Location: Saugus, MA Posts: 2,486 Trading: (3)	Re: Great Quote The following quote is not, I believe, overtly political but a statement of the times when said and it is equally true almost 50 years later. "No nation has ever taxed itself into prosperity." President John F. Kennedy when he proposed lowering the maximum tax rates. __________________ Jimmy, some of its magic, some of its tragic, but I had a good life all the way. He Went to Paris, J. Buffett

02-26-2009, 03:03 PM	#12
croatan Missing Peter Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: James Location: la Vuelta Abajo Posts: 3,727 Trading: (6)	Re: Great Quote According to dictionary.com: Fact: Something that actually exists; reality; truth. Opinion: A belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. -- By definition, I don't believe an opinion can be a fact. I pay $x in taxes = fact. My taxes are too freaking high = opinion. __________________ Fumo ergo sum.

02-26-2009, 06:32 PM	#17
King James Regard Me! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jim Location: Dark Side Of The Moon Posts: 2,565 Trading: (2)	Re: Great Quote I don't think an argument of semantics is needed. An opinion can still have some truth to it and not be fact. But back to the original post, I think it is a really good quote __________________ Mob Herfin' Since 2006

02-26-2009, 07:14 PM	#18
TripleF 11/11/11 EPIC IV Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 5,626 Trading: (176)	Re: Great Quote It's a true statement Tombstone, just sucks that we do nothing about it but discuss it. __________________ Cool Cigar Shirts, Stickers & More

02-26-2009, 07:20 PM	#19
shilala Dear Lord, Thank You. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Posts: 13,721 Trading: (252)	Re: Great Quote The late Dr. Adrian must have never heard of doubling down. I win. Go ahead and lock this thing up, Peter. __________________

02-26-2009, 07:42 PM	#20
hotreds Ephesians 2:8 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5 miles past "Resume Speed" Posts: 11,658 Trading: (63)	Re: Great Quote __________________ God loves you so much, that he made you read this, just to let you know.