Nostalgia - just a fading memory?

RevSmoke · 12-14-2009, 02:53 PM

In a recent thread, I wanted to get my hands on some new cigars. In a way, I guess the word new is even relative. Let's just say that the company didn't appear till 2005, and for a guy who has been indulging in cigars since 1980, that's new. I now have a few Kristoff to try, and I passed on some of my favorites.

But, that got me thinking, especially as I thought about posts which I have been reading on CA. I see a lot that I consider "new" (they weren't available when I started smoking cigars and they weren't even available before 2000), brand names like: Pepin, Tatuaje, Illusione, Padilla, Oliva, Kristoff, and some others - some related and others not. Also, I see some new lines from some old stand-bys talked about.

Interestingly, I don't see much discussion of some of the long-standing, venerable lines. I find that interesting, as some of those brands used to dominate discussions of cigar smokers. Were they really that good? Are the new cigars that much better? Are the old brands good as nostalgia, better as a fading memory and not as a contemporary smoke?

Anyway, I am kind of curious about some of the older brands that I haven't noticed much talked about - are they still smoked? Do they still hold the following they did?

Is there something about the contemporary cigar smoker that is always looking for that "nouveau" taste? "Be the first on your block to try the new cigar by Henry Herpolsheimer, the latest sensation to hit the cigar world. He started out as a clerk at Stinky Smokes cigar shop in upstate Alaska, selling premium hand-rolled cigars to caribou and musk ox. He's teamed up with Oliva, Pepin, Carlito and Guido to produce his own line of smokes under the brand name Frozen Tundra - the coolest new smokes since ...." Are the new lines that much better - even the new lines that have appeared in the old brand names?

OK, so that's a little over the top. I like my Tats and Pepins. I am hoping to like Kristoffs as well. Oliva Vs are about my favorites. I enjoy trying new things...

BUT...
There are still some Dominican LGCs sitting in my humidor, am I the only one? Punch Rotschilds still taste like they did before the boom started, and they're great - or is it just nostalgia? Obviously, AFs still sell quite a bit, but is it mainly the newer stuff (SGs, Anejos), or are all the lines still enjoyable? From Avos to Zinos, and all the stalwart brands inbetween many are still available.

So, how many of you venerable, old, smokers remember those sticks? More to the point, how many of you have some and still enjoy them?

Dare I ask it, how many of those who are new to cigars - in the last 5 years - have tried some of the old stand-bys, the stallwarts of the cigar industry? How many of you have them in your humidors as go-to cigars?

Or, have they been relegated to the history books and the trips down memory lane, stories that we share with the newbies as we sit and smoke our Cabaiguans and sip our small batch bourbons?

So, as I trip down memory lane today, putting a few things on the Christmas tree, that's where I went.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

SmokeyJoe · 12-14-2009, 03:05 PM

Guess I fit in your parameters... Even though BudPrince got me smoking some premiums in about '94 or so, I didn't get into cigars REALLY until August 2006.

I still smoke Punch, Partagas, and most all of the Fuentes. I'm still a fan of Montecristo Whites as well.

I agree with your premise, though... tons of great cigars that are not the "new kid on the block" but are still quality smokes.

My recommendation? Try 'em all!

pmwz · 12-14-2009, 03:15 PM

i am not an old timer but i try all kinds of cigars. i really like joya de nicaragua and they are around for a long time.

JJG · 12-14-2009, 03:23 PM

I've actually been moving away from Tat, Pepin, Illusione, etc. lately and buying more from the "old school" guys. It seems that a lot of the newer companies in the game have decided to forgo smoothness altogether and just put out the strongest cigar they can manage.

I think some of the more established manufacturers get a reputation for being boring or not as complex as the new stuff that is coming out but I have not found this to be true. I had a Chateau Fuente pyramid this weekend that was awesome!! Last weekend I had a Honduran ERdM that tasted fantastic. AVO XO is one of my new favorites too. All 3 have tons of flavor and plenty of complexity to keep me interested. I smoke about 50/50 Cubans/NCs and the cigars I mentioned may not be as good as their Cuban counterparts, but they certainly hold up to the newer cigars I've tried lately.

Personally I don't understand the obsession with puros either. I could care less if the wrapper/binder/filler all come from the same country.

and no, I'm not really an old timer either. I've only been smoking since the late 90's but I just seem to be enjoying the old fashioned brands lately.

ActionAndy · 12-14-2009, 03:33 PM

I've been smoking for...maybe two years? And the cigars that got me really hooked were RyJ (NC) churchills and Fuente Hemingways. My first sizable purchase I made for myself was 10 Fuente Cuban Belicosos. So I guess you could say it was old school style classics that got me onto the scene, and I still like that stuff.

Actually I smoked the last of those Cuban beli's the other night, it was good.

Emjaysmash · 12-14-2009, 04:07 PM

As a new guy, I have smoked a few of the "old school" brand sizes, Punch Rothchilde, LGC. Unfortunately non of these have really "wowed" me like my generation of cigars.

It could be the variety of change in marketing, blend style, or even the type of tobacco utilized. Maybe I need to try some more of those older brands. I know I dont enjoy Montecristos, LGCs... my punch selection could be more varied, so could my AF selection. I'll look into picking some up when I can.

Thanks for the food for thought, Todd!

Starscream · 12-14-2009, 04:36 PM

My take on the "old" line of cigars is pretty much most of what is put out by Altadis and General. If that presumption is correct, then I am a fan of many, many cigars of theirs.
Punch
Monte White
Partagas
Henry Clay
RyJ
just to name a few.

Not a big fuente (gran reserva/regular line) man anymore, though.

SmokinApe · 12-14-2009, 05:18 PM

Times and tastes change... And people always want the new next big thing...

Zanaspus · 12-14-2009, 06:28 PM

Great thread, and great food for thought! I'm new to serious cigar smoking, and I fall precisely into the trap you've mentioned.

After having a long think about why this is the case, I think I have it. I like to read others' views of a stick before I try it. I like to see if the flavor profile matches something I might enjoy. The problem with this is that there's just not that many reviews of the old stuff coming down the pike. My hypothesis on why this is the case; "Why review them? Everyone's tried them."

So in an effort to broaden my horizons, I'd like to invite the old war dogs to write some reviews of their favorite stand-bys. Give us some food for thought.

Emjaysmash · 12-14-2009, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Zanaspus

Great thread, and great food for thought! I'm new to serious cigar smoking, and I fall precisely into the trap you've mentioned.

After having a long think about why this is the case, I think I have it. I like to read others' views of a stick before I try it. I like to see if the flavor profile matches something I might enjoy. The problem with this is that there's just not that many reviews of the old stuff coming down the pike. My hypothesis on why this is the case; "Why review them? Everyone's tried them."

So in an effort to broaden my horizons, I'd like to invite the old war dogs to write some reviews of their favorite stand-bys. Give us some food for thought.

That's a great idea!
Also, I'm not sure if it would be taking the thread in a different direction than it wanted, but what are the "old blends"? I've only been smoking for 2 1/2 years so im a complete noob at all of this.

MarkinAZ · 12-14-2009, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Emjaysmash

but what are the "old blends"? I've only been smoking for 2 1/2 years so im a complete noob at all of this.

The following would give you a good idea and start MJ:

Padron
H. Upmann
Partagas
Hoyo de Monterrey
El Rey del Mundo
Punch
Macanudo
Romeo Y Julieta

Ashcan Bill · 12-14-2009, 07:01 PM

As far as older brands that have stood the test of time, I still keep a pretty good assortment of Fuentes on hand. DCs, Hemingways, Sungrowns, and even the lowly green bands can all be found in my "NC" humidor. What you won't find are Opus, Anejos, and all the newer high dollar specialty stuff they've come out with. Most of that stuff does little for me. Too easy to find things I enjoy more for a lot less money.

Although I don't smoke a great deal of Dominican tobacco any more, when the mood hits I still reach for a Fuente. I've been smoking Fuentes for at least the last twenty years. I guess old habits are hard to break.

RevSmoke · 12-14-2009, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkinCA

The following would give you a good idea and start MJ:

Padron
H. Upmann
Partagas
Hoyo de Monterrey
El Rey del Mundo
Punch
Macanudo
Romeo Y Julieta

Add to that...

La Gloria Cubana
Excalibur (a HdM line)
Ashton
Avo
Zino
Davidoff
Perdomo (relatively speaking, mid 1990s)
Canaria D'Oro
Joya de Nicaragua
La Aurora
Don Diego
Don Tomas

RevSmoke · 12-14-2009, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zanaspus

Great thread, and great food for thought! I'm new to serious cigar smoking, and I fall precisely into the trap you've mentioned.

After having a long think about why this is the case, I think I have it. I like to read others' views of a stick before I try it. I like to see if the flavor profile matches something I might enjoy. The problem with this is that there's just not that many reviews of the old stuff coming down the pike. My hypothesis on why this is the case; "Why review them? Everyone's tried them."

So in an effort to broaden my horizons, I'd like to invite the old war dogs to write some reviews of their favorite stand-bys. Give us some food for thought.

I think the problem is that I know there are a gazillion reviews out there of them... All someone needs to do is read them. I don't PUFF anymore, but their review site is a great wealth of information - yeah, I know, I should be flogged for suggesting that anybody go there, but...

Oh yeah, another great blend - El Rey del Mundo. My favorite maduros are still the ERdM Robusto, Robusto Larga, & Robusto Supremo. The presentation is exquisite with the tissue wrap around the stick. They are sweet and spicy, with flavors of cocoa and nuts. There is a hint of spice and citrus. What I like is the complexity and the evolution of this cigar as you smoke it - changing as it goes.

I will have to smoke one of the LGC maduro Torpedos I picked up the other - and do a review to post. Maybe some of the others senior smokers can do the same with some of the venerable smokes we keep on hand.

I must say, I was very disappointed when I had my last Punch double maduro Rothschild from 1997 or so. They were so very good, but... I know there are a few guys here that were gifted a few in trades/bomb/etc... when I first got on the boards. But that is a fine example of a great old smoke.

Who remembers Canaria d'Oro rotschild?

I remember the maduro wrapper and the fact that they shoved 50 in a box and the squeezed them in there so that they had to force the box shut. They weren't box-pressed, but they might have odd shapes. I remember these were a sweet smoke, not real complex, but just a solid smoke with hints of leather and some pepper.

Anyway, hope this helps.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

Emjaysmash · 12-14-2009, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkinCA

The following would give you a good idea and start MJ:

Padron
H. Upmann
Partagas
Hoyo de Monterrey
El Rey del Mundo
Punch
Macanudo
Romeo Y Julieta

Quote:

Originally Posted by RevSmoke

Add to that...

La Gloria Cubana
Excalibur (a HdM line)
Ashton
Avo
Zino
Davidoff
Perdomo (relatively speaking, mid 1990s)
Canaria D'Oro
Joya de Nicaragua
La Aurora
Don Diego
Don Tomas

Well considering Padron is my favorite NC brand, I guess Im off to a good start!

MarkinAZ · 12-14-2009, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RevSmoke

Who remembers Canaria d'Oro rotschild?

Spanish and presented in the glass tubes?

Emjaysmash · 12-14-2009, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RevSmoke

Who remembers Canaria d'Oro rotschild?

I never had the Rotheschild, but my second handmade smokes ever was a CdO Petit Corona or cigarilo or something. From wha I remember it wasnt particularly bad.

RevSmoke · 12-14-2009, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkinCA

Spanish and presented in the glass tubes?

Don't remember them that way.

Ranger_B · 12-14-2009, 09:30 PM

I love a good Henry Clay. Most fuentes and padrons are a constant in my humi. The one thing I have found for my taste is that these "older" brands never change on you. Its only been 10 years of smoking for me so I dont bring a huge history to the table.

MarkinAZ · 12-14-2009, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RevSmoke

Don't remember them that way.

Your right. I kept thinking Spain for some reason and now had to look the suckers up:

"Often overlooked by consumers, the Canaria D'oro Immensos sits on most tobacconists' shelves aging. Although owned by General Cigars this brand get very little promotion, and because of its name many consumers mistakenly believe this cigar is made in the Canary Islands rather than the Dominican Republic. Possessing a colorado colored Mexican wrapper this well made cigar is attractive and well made. The wrapper is full of oils and feels silky to the touch. The smoke is cool and pleasing with a slightly sweet honey taste highlighting the core flavors of its Dominican and Mexican blend. This cigar is not a powerhouse, but rather a creamy smoke that is very relaxing. The one word sums up this cigar more than any other is "smooth.""

made in: Santiago, Dominican Republic
size : 5 1/2 x 49
wrapper: Mexico
filler : Dominican Republic, Mexico
binder : Mexico

12-14-2009, 02:53 PM	#1
RevSmoke Ain't Never Gonna Leave Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Todd Location: Northcentral woods of Wisconsin Posts: 6,809 Trading: (51)	Nostalgia - just a fading memory? In a recent thread, I wanted to get my hands on some new cigars. In a way, I guess the word new is even relative. Let's just say that the company didn't appear till 2005, and for a guy who has been indulging in cigars since 1980, that's new. I now have a few Kristoff to try, and I passed on some of my favorites. But, that got me thinking, especially as I thought about posts which I have been reading on CA. I see a lot that I consider "new" (they weren't available when I started smoking cigars and they weren't even available before 2000), brand names like: Pepin, Tatuaje, Illusione, Padilla, Oliva, Kristoff, and some others - some related and others not. Also, I see some new lines from some old stand-bys talked about. Interestingly, I don't see much discussion of some of the long-standing, venerable lines. I find that interesting, as some of those brands used to dominate discussions of cigar smokers. Were they really that good? Are the new cigars that much better? Are the old brands good as nostalgia, better as a fading memory and not as a contemporary smoke? Anyway, I am kind of curious about some of the older brands that I haven't noticed much talked about - are they still smoked? Do they still hold the following they did? Is there something about the contemporary cigar smoker that is always looking for that "nouveau" taste? "Be the first on your block to try the new cigar by Henry Herpolsheimer, the latest sensation to hit the cigar world. He started out as a clerk at Stinky Smokes cigar shop in upstate Alaska, selling premium hand-rolled cigars to caribou and musk ox. He's teamed up with Oliva, Pepin, Carlito and Guido to produce his own line of smokes under the brand name Frozen Tundra - the coolest new smokes since ...." Are the new lines that much better - even the new lines that have appeared in the old brand names? OK, so that's a little over the top. I like my Tats and Pepins. I am hoping to like Kristoffs as well. Oliva Vs are about my favorites. I enjoy trying new things... *BUT...* There are still some Dominican LGCs sitting in my humidor, am I the only one? Punch Rotschilds still taste like they did before the boom started, and they're great - or is it just nostalgia? Obviously, AFs still sell quite a bit, but is it mainly the newer stuff (SGs, Anejos), or are all the lines still enjoyable? From Avos to Zinos, and all the stalwart brands inbetween many are still available. So, how many of you venerable, old, smokers remember those sticks? More to the point, how many of you have some and still enjoy them? Dare I ask it, how many of those who are new to cigars - in the last 5 years - have tried some of the old stand-bys, the stallwarts of the cigar industry? How many of you have them in your humidors as go-to cigars? Or, have they been relegated to the history books and the trips down memory lane, stories that we share with the newbies as we sit and smoke our Cabaiguans and sip our small batch bourbons? So, as I trip down memory lane today, putting a few things on the Christmas tree, that's where I went. Peace of the Lord be with you. __________________ Todd__ "Smoke what you like, and enjoy it!" Last edited by RevSmoke; 12-14-2009 at 02:59 PM. Reason: it needed grammatical considerations.

12-14-2009, 03:05 PM	#2
SmokeyJoe Chief Wannastogie Lounge Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Joe Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 3,160 Trading: (28)	Re: Nostalgia - just a fading memory? Guess I fit in your parameters... Even though BudPrince got me smoking some premiums in about '94 or so, I didn't get into cigars REALLY until August 2006. I still smoke Punch, Partagas, and most all of the Fuentes. I'm still a fan of Montecristo Whites as well. I agree with your premise, though... tons of great cigars that are not the "new kid on the block" but are still quality smokes. My recommendation? Try 'em all! __________________ "I intend to smoke a good cigar to the glory of God..." ~ Charles H. Spurgeon, British Baptist preacher

12-14-2009, 03:15 PM	#3
pmwz Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: cologne Posts: 372 Trading: (0)	Re: Nostalgia - just a fading memory? i am not an old timer but i try all kinds of cigars. i really like joya de nicaragua and they are around for a long time.

12-14-2009, 03:23 PM	#4
JJG Have My Own Room Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Jeff Location: Houston Posts: 1,260 Trading: (4)	Re: Nostalgia - just a fading memory? I've actually been moving away from Tat, Pepin, Illusione, etc. lately and buying more from the "old school" guys. It seems that a lot of the newer companies in the game have decided to forgo smoothness altogether and just put out the strongest cigar they can manage. I think some of the more established manufacturers get a reputation for being boring or not as complex as the new stuff that is coming out but I have not found this to be true. I had a Chateau Fuente pyramid this weekend that was awesome!! Last weekend I had a Honduran ERdM that tasted fantastic. AVO XO is one of my new favorites too. All 3 have tons of flavor and plenty of complexity to keep me interested. I smoke about 50/50 Cubans/NCs and the cigars I mentioned may not be as good as their Cuban counterparts, but they certainly hold up to the newer cigars I've tried lately. Personally I don't understand the obsession with puros either. I could care less if the wrapper/binder/filler all come from the same country. and no, I'm not really an old timer either. I've only been smoking since the late 90's but I just seem to be enjoying the old fashioned brands lately.

12-14-2009, 03:33 PM	#5
ActionAndy Dayman, Master of Karate Join Date: Dec 2008 First Name: Andy Location: Saratoga Springs, NY Posts: 671 Trading: (7)	Re: Nostalgia - just a fading memory? I've been smoking for...maybe two years? And the cigars that got me really hooked were RyJ (NC) churchills and Fuente Hemingways. My first sizable purchase I made for myself was 10 Fuente Cuban Belicosos. So I guess you could say it was old school style classics that got me onto the scene, and I still like that stuff. Actually I smoked the last of those Cuban beli's the other night, it was good. __________________ In the merry month of June, from me home I started...

12-14-2009, 04:07 PM	#6
Emjaysmash The Hebrew Hammer Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: M.J. Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 7,025 Trading: (76)	Re: Nostalgia - just a fading memory? As a new guy, I have smoked a few of the "old school" brand sizes, Punch Rothchilde, LGC. Unfortunately non of these have really "wowed" me like my generation of cigars. It could be the variety of change in marketing, blend style, or even the type of tobacco utilized. Maybe I need to try some more of those older brands. I know I dont enjoy Montecristos, LGCs... my punch selection could be more varied, so could my AF selection. I'll look into picking some up when I can. Thanks for the food for thought, Todd! __________________

12-14-2009, 04:36 PM	#7
Starscream Knowhutimean, Vern? Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Andy Location: In a little town somewhere in the USA Posts: 10,237 Trading: (4)	Re: Nostalgia - just a fading memory? My take on the "old" line of cigars is pretty much most of what is put out by Altadis and General. If that presumption is correct, then I am a fan of many, many cigars of theirs. Punch Monte White Partagas Henry Clay RyJ just to name a few. Not a big fuente (gran reserva/regular line) man anymore, though. __________________ Insert quote here.

12-14-2009, 05:18 PM	#8
SmokinApe Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jeremy Posts: 1,267 Trading: (35)	Re: Nostalgia - just a fading memory? Times and tastes change... And people always want the new next big thing...

12-14-2009, 06:28 PM	#9
Zanaspus Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Aug 2009 First Name: Tony Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 492 Trading: (3)	Re: Nostalgia - just a fading memory? Great thread, and great food for thought! I'm new to serious cigar smoking, and I fall precisely into the trap you've mentioned. After having a long think about why this is the case, I think I have it. I like to read others' views of a stick before I try it. I like to see if the flavor profile matches something I might enjoy. The problem with this is that there's just not that many reviews of the old stuff coming down the pike. My hypothesis on why this is the case; "Why review them? Everyone's tried them." So in an effort to broaden my horizons, I'd like to invite the old war dogs to write some reviews of their favorite stand-bys. Give us some food for thought. __________________ If you're gonna be a lamb, you might as well be a sheep.

12-14-2009, 07:01 PM	#12
Ashcan Bill Ol' Dude Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Bill Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 1,890 Trading: (6)	Re: Nostalgia - just a fading memory? As far as older brands that have stood the test of time, I still keep a pretty good assortment of Fuentes on hand. DCs, Hemingways, Sungrowns, and even the lowly green bands can all be found in my "NC" humidor. What you won't find are Opus, Anejos, and all the newer high dollar specialty stuff they've come out with. Most of that stuff does little for me. Too easy to find things I enjoy more for a lot less money. Although I don't smoke a great deal of Dominican tobacco any more, when the mood hits I still reach for a Fuente. I've been smoking Fuentes for at least the last twenty years. I guess old habits are hard to break.

12-14-2009, 09:30 PM	#19
Ranger_B Have My Own Room Join Date: Apr 2009 First Name: Frank Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,321 Trading: (31)	Re: Nostalgia - just a fading memory? I love a good Henry Clay. Most fuentes and padrons are a constant in my humi. The one thing I have found for my taste is that these "older" brands never change on you. Its only been 10 years of smoking for me so I dont bring a huge history to the table.